NationStates Jolt Archive

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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I agree with most of your statements however America is anything but PG. Yes they care too much about feeling, especially the feelings of those who break the law, so as a result we're lenient on criminals and they are allowed to make us good average Joes' lives hell. Yes our media is messed up, but I disagree with the US being screwed up for censoring video games and books, you complain about the media being more focused on killing and sex instead of plot and dialogue yet you oppose censorship which is weird, I'd think if you'd want some things out of the media you'd want them out of games and books.

America say's its "fixing" other nations, its like the bully who has phychological issues. And yes something must be done about this society, I say aim for the root and find out the main causes fo all the problems and deal with them accordingly.

Something’s wrong with our society

Spelling and grammar would appear to top the list.

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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United States of America
people's feelings
we're
we're (again)
banned
Something is
some


I helped all I could.

This rant is lacking one of these:
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Whole lotta paddlin', not a whole lot of direction...

I agree with most of your statements however America is anything but PG. Yes they care too much about feeling, especially the feelings of those who break the law, so as a result we're lenient on criminals and they are allowed to make us good average Joes' lives hell. Yes our media is messed up, but I disagree with the US being screwed up for censoring video games and books, you complain about the media being more focused on killing and sex instead of plot and dialogue yet you oppose censorship which is weird, I'd think if you'd want some things out of the media you'd want them out of games and books.

America say's its "fixing" other nations, its like the bully who has phychological issues. And yes something must be done about this society, I say aim for the root and find out the main causes fo all the problems and deal with them accordingly.
Which would be what? I want to learn.

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

Actually, I believe most of the people who argue for the very uptight and PG stuff don't give a damn about other people's feelings. They tend to be, you know, uptight.

The people who follow might care "too much", but not the ones advocating it.

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that!

You're going to tell me you never just completely ignored the age limit?

Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

No comment to the books getting banned (I lack information).

Could you explain: How does movies focusing more on sex and killing make the US more uptight and PG? Wouldn't sex and violence be contrary to this?

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

This is, unfortunately, human nature.

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I think the minister of smilies needs a talk with you...

This rant is lacking one of these:
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Whole lotta paddlin', not a whole lot of direction...

...is that a fire extinguisher?

Also: a rather silly first post, not to mention one with points that have been constantly hashed and rehashed...but then we do that all the time, so why not yet again?

...is that a fire extinguisher?

Also: a rather silly first post, not to mention one with points that have been constantly hashed and rehashed...but then we do that all the time, so why not yet again?

It's a rudder. Every other photo had it attached to the boat and I was only willing to spend so long on that joke...so it was either "What is that?" or "This thread needs a boat?" I should have just bailed...

the probleam with the United States of Americas
There's more than one USA now? THE HORROR! :eek:

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that!

You mean a rating system is actually rating games to let parents know what game is appropriate for their children?

This is a bad thing?

Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk!

What the hell are you on about? What books, exactly, are "banned'?

Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

There are numerous good movies out there. Hundreds. Most companies that operate on large budgets tend to like what is popular, however if you're not finding the types of films you like, you are simply not trying hard enough.

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Yes, mainly people like you.

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Reality is a nice place, you should visit sometime.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

This might be what YOU remember about our government officials. Most of us have better recollection.


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Ug, typical.

Which would be what? I want to learn.

Corporatism, radical wingers, greed, the cold war and hedonism are the ones I found.

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!
Do you mean PC?

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!
It irritates me that parents won't be parents. Preview material for your children. And for the love of god; if video games are the only thing under the tree for your healthy able0 bodied six year old, then you are a bad parent.

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!


Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.
Very true.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!
Is this a syptom or the problem in your estimation?

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
Or maybe we should fix ourselves before we fix other countries.

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :mp5: :sniper: :confused: :confused: :confused:

United States of America
people's feelings
we're
we're (again)
banned
Something is
some


I helped all I could.

too

PG... parental guidance? pretty good? pregnant?

how stupid is that?

world's greatest psychiatrists or greatest psychiatrists in the world.

plus the post was so rambling that it didnt make any sense.

Do you mean PC?


It irritates me that parents won't be parents. Preview material for your children. And for the love of god; if video games are the only thing under the tree for your healthy able0 bodied six year old, then you are a bad parent.


Very true.


Is this a syptom or the problem in your estimation?


Or maybe we should fix ourselves before we fix other countries.

One step is making sure parent will be parents, and those who refuse to be don't become parents at all, also the US MUST absolutely fix itself before other countries, there are more terrorists on US soil than in the middle east, remember the CS poll I posted?

I don’t see what America is doing so differently

Education.

too

PG... parental guidance? pretty good? pregnant?

how stupid is that?

world's greatest psychiatrists or greatest psychiatrists in the world.

plus the post was so rambling that it didnt make any sense.

if he were my student that post would get an F.......

It's a rudder. Every other photo had it attached to the boat and I was only willing to spend so long on that joke...so it was either "What is that?" or "This thread needs a boat?" I should have just bailed...

Oh, I get it. Sorry, I've just never seen a rudder up close like that before, so I had no idea what I was looking at.

if he were my student that post would get an F.......

Surely you mean F-, right? :p

I'll tell you a few problems with Americans and America in general.
Well actually I'll tell you the main problem. That happens to be laziness and the fact that we don't feel like we need to try hard to succeed in life.

For example, why should the young black man go to school, when he can practise his basketball skills, so that he can be the next Jordan, Kobe, or Shaq?

Why should the woman try to work hard through life, when she can put on a gob of make up on and vomit constantly, so that she can walk down the run way and get all the stare?

Why should the white guy go to his 8-5 and get a miniscule paycheck, when he can go to the casino and possibly make millions?

We in America have quit trying to succeed. We expect it to come quick to us. We see what our parents have, and want twice as much now, without realising that it took them a lifetime to get what they have. We are not willing to work for things.

Why do you think divorce rates are high? Its not because "OMFGZZZ the ebul liberalz destroyed our morals!!!!", its because person A and person B get in a big fight, and they don't want to try and make up for it. Its so much more easy to get a divorce, than to fix the problem.

The other problem is that we don't have our priorities set in the right place. For example, more people voted in American Idol, than in the presidential election of 2004. Where has the "greatest generation" of America gone? The generation that was invovled, that cared about the future, and that was willing to do what ever it took to survive and succeed, has long disappeared.
:(

There's more than one USA now? THE HORROR! :eek:

And we are coming to get you!

Yes they care too much about feeling, especially the feelings of those who break the law, so as a result we're lenient on criminals and they are allowed to make us good average Joes' lives hell.

Most of the way criminals are treated is dictated by constitutional law.

I'll tell you a few problems with Americans and America in general.
Well actually I'll tell you the main problem. That happens to be laziness and the fact that we don't feel like we need to try hard to succeed in life.

For example, why should the young black man go to school, when he can practise his basketball skills, so that he can be the next Jordan, Kobe, or Shaq?

Why should the woman try to work hard through life, when she can put on a gob of make up on and vomit constantly, so that she can walk down the run way and get all the stare?

Why should the white guy go to his 8-5 and get a miniscule paycheck, when he can go to the casino and possibly make millions?


We in America have quit trying to succeed. We expect it to come quick to us. We see what our parents have, and want twice as much now, without realising that it took them a lifetime to get what they have. We are not willing to work for things.


Why do you think divorce rates are high? Its not because "OMFGZZZ the ebul liberalz destroyed our morals!!!!", its because person A and person B get in a big fight, and they don't want to try and make up for it. Its so much more easy to get a divorce, than to fix the problem.

The other problem is that we don't have our priorities set in the right place. For example, more people voted in American Idol, than in the presidential election of 2004. Where has the "greatest generation" of America gone? The generation that was invovled, that cared about the future, and that was willing to do what ever it took to survive and succeed, has long disappeared.
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In my more fascist days I remember suggesting having the US government put everyone in slave camps to berid their laziness and force them to work all day nonstop. But now I'd suggest some sort of campaign on this lazy mindset.wait....RP idea!!!! *runs to international incidents* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12420454#post12420454)

Spelling and grammar would appear to top the list.

Absolutely.

The biggest problem with the USA? Its people.

Once you get to know them, you can't actually keep hating (most of) them.

THAT'S the real problem.

The biggest problem with the USA? Its people.

Once you get to know them, you can't actually keep hating (most of) them.

THAT'S the real problem.

I've done a pretty good job of it, actually.

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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It's not Uncle Sam. It's his government.

I've done a pretty good job of it, actually.

My opinions have been slanted by the sexiness of a few USians. Those people should move to Canada (and into my bed) and then I can go back to hating the US like I used to.

Edit: NSG is sucking hard today...time better spent napping!

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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My opinions have been slanted by the sexiness of a few USians. Those people should move to Canada (and into my bed) and then I can go back to hating the US like I used to.

Oh come on, the US isn't THAT bad. Sure, there are people here I dislike a lot, but meh, its not like they make up the entirety of the population.

I'll tell you a few problems with Americans and America in general.
Well actually I'll tell you the main problem. That happens to be laziness and the fact that we don't feel like we need to try hard to succeed in life.

For example, why should the young black man go to school, when he can practise his basketball skills, so that he can be the next Jordan, Kobe, or Shaq?

Why should the woman try to work hard through life, when she can put on a gob of make up on and vomit constantly, so that she can walk down the run way and get all the stare?

Why should the white guy go to his 8-5 and get a miniscule paycheck, when he can go to the casino and possibly make millions?

We in America have quit trying to succeed. We expect it to come quick to us. We see what our parents have, and want twice as much now, without realising that it took them a lifetime to get what they have. We are not willing to work for things.

Why do you think divorce rates are high? Its not because "OMFGZZZ the ebul liberalz destroyed our morals!!!!", its because person A and person B get in a big fight, and they don't want to try and make up for it. Its so much more easy to get a divorce, than to fix the problem.

The other problem is that we don't have our priorities set in the right place. For example, more people voted in American Idol, than in the presidential election of 2004. Where has the "greatest generation" of America gone? The generation that was invovled, that cared about the future, and that was willing to do what ever it took to survive and succeed, has long disappeared.
:(

This post is filled with so much misinformation, gross overexaggeration and borderline racism and mysoginy that it's impossible to know where to start.

Oh come on, the US isn't THAT bad. Sure, there are people here I dislike a lot, but meh, its not like they make up the entirety of the population.

I can guarantee you that you and I would not share the same views on which USians are worth disliking, and which are not.

This post is filled with so much misinformation, gross overexaggeration and borderline racism and mysoginy that it's impossible to know where to start.

No point, really. I think you've pretty much summed it all up anyway.

This post is filled with so much misinformation, gross overexaggeration and borderline racism and mysoginy that it's impossible to know where to start.

Please.:rolleyes:

Please.:rolleyes:

Please what, please start pointing out the specifics of the gross generalisations you've made, based in racism and misogyny? Would it help? Would you learn anything from it?

Probably not. Hence, probably not worth the effort.

I can guarantee you that you and I would not share the same views on which USians are worth disliking, and which are not.

Oh please entertain me with a list of those you dislike.

Oh please entertain me with a list of those you dislike.

I'm not here to entertain you. I'm here to entertain myself.

I'm not here to entertain you.

I thought you were the juggling unicyclist. :(

Please what, please start pointing out the specifics of the gross generalisations you've made, based in racism and misogyny? Would it help? Would you learn anything from it?

Probably not. Hence, probably not worth the effort.


Okay, why don't you go to an inner city school and ask the black males what they'd rather be doing, basketball or getting an education? I can guarantee you, a majority of them will say basketball. Why? Because there is easy money in that. And that's what American culture has became. A society that wants easy money. To ensure that I am not racist(and I know I am not, but hey you say I am, so I must be:rolleyes: ) should I give all white male christian example? Because I could, if that will make your self righteous, open mind, happy.

I'm not here to entertain you. I'm here to entertain myself.

Meh, its not like you'd be that fun anyways.

Meh, its not like you'd be that fun anyways.

Not the kind of fun you'd be into.

Okay, why don't you go to an inner city school and ask the black males what they'd rather be doing, basketball or getting an education? I can guarantee you, a majority of them will say basketball. Why? Because there is easy money in that. And that's what American culture has became. A society that wants easy money.

yes yes, that's why, because they're lazy. That's exactly why!

To ensure that I am not racist(and I know I am not, but hey you say I am, so I must be:rolleyes: ) should I give all white male christian example? Because I could, if that will make your self righteous, open mind, happy.

I'm sure you could.

But ya didn't.

Not the kind of fun you'd be into.

Heh, one would be surpised ;)

yes yes, that's why, because they're lazy. That's exactly why!



I'm sure you could.

But ya didn't.

Just to play, a weak, devils advocat he did claim that the white male would prefer going to a casino and gambling on making a fortune over actually working to improve their condition.

yes yes, that's why, because they're lazy. That's exactly why!



I'm sure you could.

But ya didn't.

I'm not saying all black men are lazy. Im saying that, they, like every other fucking american group, wants the easy way out. Damnit, get past your PC bullshit and look at what I really said. I'm starting to get pissed off here. I was saying that American society is lazy, but now, somehow, I am a fucking racist.

Damnit, that is why I fucking hate Nation States.

Good Bye Arseholes!

I'm starting to get pissed off here. Oh no! Better stop and apologise then:rolleyes:



Damnit, that is why I fucking hate Nation States.

Good Bye Arseholes!

If only we could be sure you meant it.

Oh no! Better stop and apologise then:rolleyes:




If only we could be sure you meant it.

He'll be back. They always come back, you know that better than most.

He'll be back. They always come back, you know that better than most.

*shudders*

I tried to leave. But the DTs started, and I just couldn't.

Just to play, a weak, devils advocat he did claim that the white male would prefer going to a casino and gambling on making a fortune over actually working to improve their condition.

yes I saw that. Now let's see, he went with the black guy playing basketball stereotype (this exists), he went with the bullemic woman model stereotype (this exists to).

And the...white guy gambler.

Do we have this stereotype? Really? Black men all want to play basketball, women starve themselves to be models and men....gamble too much?

I'm not saying all black men are lazy. Im saying that, they, like every other fucking american group, wants the easy way out. Damnit, get past your PC bullshit and look at what I really said. I'm starting to get pissed off here. I was saying that American society is lazy, but now, somehow, I am a fucking racist.

We have only your words to judge you by. You tried to come up with examples of "lazy americans" and came up with women and black youth.

Seriously, think about that.

Do we have this stereotype? Really? Black men all want to play basketball, women starve themselves to be models and white men....gamble too much?

Yeah, I didn't get that either. Because I would have chosen some sort of hillbilly trailer-park inbred example to round things out. White gambler? Not ringing any bells.

Question...do jews get lumped in with whites?

*shudders*

I tried to leave. But the DTs started, and I just couldn't.
Don't worry, this is one of the better kinds of addictions. You're not likely to die right away from an NS overdose.
yes I saw that. Now let's see, he went with the black guy playing basketball stereotype (this exists), he went with the bullemic woman model stereotype (this exists to).

And the...white guy gambler.

Do we have this stereotype? Really? Black men all want to play basketball, women starve themselves to be models and men....gamble too much?

Yeah, that's a new one on me.

Question...do jews get lumped in with whites?

Not for these purposes. We don't need to find the easy way to make money. We already have it all.

Not for these purposes. We don't need to find the easy way to make money. We already have it all.

I'd laugh, but we've had this conversation before, and as I recall, you were serious?

Only stereotype I have of jews is that they're all a bunch of kinky bastards. Seriously. I've never met a prudish jew.

yes I saw that. Now let's see, he went with the black guy playing basketball stereotype (this exists), he went with the bullemic woman model stereotype (this exists to).

And the...white guy gambler.

Do we have this stereotype? Really? Black men all want to play basketball, women starve themselves to be models and men....gamble too much?
I did mention that it was a weak defence. Frankly I think going the "White Trash" route would have been a beter jab to balance things out, all though that is a bit more of a ignorance stereotype as opposed to a lazy stereotype, you could possibly get it to work as an example of a lack of ambition. Then again I never realized there was a women all want to become modles stereotype, would have thought of a trophy wife being a better stereotype of "lazy women" that or "Welfair Queens." Of course I'm way over thinking this, as the point in general is bullshit.

I'd laugh, but we've had this conversation before, and as I recall, you were serious?

Only stereotype I have of jews is that they're all a bunch of kinky bastards. Seriously. I've never met a prudish jew.

how many jews do you know, exactly?

It probably has something to do with overbearing mother figures *shrug*

What’s wrong with us?
We care too much about other peoples feelings, were too uptight, were to PG!

America had to put out a new rating called E10, for kids under 10 this meant you could not play these games. How stupid is that! Books are being band because they talk about the kid 10 streets over who’s getting high or drunk! Movies are focusing more on sex and killing instead of plot and dialog!

Something’s wrong with our society and we need to stop it now!

Shunning reality helps no one, but giving it all away damages sum.

Also, what do we remember about our government officials, one shot his friend in the face, one had an affair, a bunch had slaves but fought against slavery!

We have messed up deeply and then said we have the right to go and “FIX” other nations. The USA needs help from the worlds greatest psychiatrists in the world.
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Too many smilies...

One step is making sure parent will be parents, and those who refuse to be don't become parents at all, also the US MUST absolutely fix itself before other countries, there are more terrorists on US soil than in the middle east, remember the CS poll I posted?

Couldn't be said better.

how many jews do you know, exactly? A shocking amount of activists are jewish. Over the years, I've come to know quite a few of them.

Edit: Also, the polyamorous relationships I've been in all involved a majority of jews. I think it's some sort of world-conquering strategy.

It probably has something to do with overbearing mother figures *shrug*

Perhaps, but in any case, it's a fantastic trait.

yes I saw that. Now let's see, he went with the black guy playing basketball stereotype (this exists), he went with the bullemic woman model stereotype (this exists to).

And the...white guy gambler.

Do we have this stereotype? Really? Black men all want to play basketball, women starve themselves to be models and men....gamble too much?

Rather than look at the specific situations he posted, think of the abstract idea behind them.

These stereotypes exist for a reason. They may be untrue, prejudiced and racist, but there is an underlying reason for their existance. Since a variety of stereotypes exist that all display the same trait, what do we have?

That's right! An abstract idea!

That abstract idea, which Zilam was talking about, is laziness.

We know that not all blacks are going to go for basketballing. We know that not all white women throw up and try to be supermodels. We know that not every white man goes into a casino and gambles his life away.

What we do know is that people are generally lazy, and these stereotypes are a reflection of that, though no doubt they've become horribly twisted by the whole feather to chicken sequence.

Rather than look at the specific situations he posted, think of the abstract idea behind them.

These stereotypes exist for a reason. They may be untrue, prejudiced and racist, but there is an underlying reason for their existance. Since a variety of stereotypes exist that all display the same trait, what do we have?

That's right! An abstract idea!

That abstract idea, which Zilam was talking about, is laziness.

We know that not all blacks are going to go for basketballing. We know that not all white women throw up and try to be supermodels. We know that not every white man goes into a casino and gambles his life away.

What we do know is that people are generally lazy, and these stereotypes are a reflection of that, though no doubt they've become horribly twisted by the whole feather to chicken sequence.

what bothered me more is the idea that trying it become a professional basketball player is LAZY. its not lazy; its misguided. if you miss getting to the big show, all your years of hard work are wasted. its better to invest your energy into something that has a better than .001% chance of success and that has a fallback career if you dont make it to the top.

same with working to become a supermodel. (although there are lower levels of modleing that can be reasonably lucrative). its not EASY to keep yourself 10-40 lbs underweight and still be beautiful. its misguided to put all your energies into a field that spits you out as soon as you hit 30. then what do you do to support yourself?

what bothered me more is the idea that trying it become a professional basketball player is LAZY. its not lazy; its misguided.

And I agree. Sport ain't lazy. But, I was recently annoyed by a guy who said one thing and meant another. Basically, he stopped us from taking any sort of action at a meeting we had held, citing that we hadn't been given adequate warning of the meeting.

That was not, however, the reason he didn't want to vote. Nooo, the reason was entirely different and it makes me wonder "Why didn't he bring it up then? Why did he have to say something entirely different?"

The similarity here is, instead of stating "I disagree that sports is lazy, it's misguided" people were just saying "it's racist" and maybe that's true (I certainly won't deny it), but it's better to point out the logical flaw in the argument if there is one, than the emotional wrongness about it. Then he might actually change it.

if you miss getting to the big show, all your years of hard work are wasted. its better to invest your energy into something that has a better than .001% chance of success and that has a fallback career if you dont make it to the top.

Maybe the issue is that not so many people actually have a fallback career, but I am uncertain on this point. Are many of those people seeking supermodelling, casino life, gambling and sports careers actually capable of having a fallback career? What about people who aren't going for the high-end, yet make a career out of it, is that a fallback? is that lazy?

I mean, sure, entertainment isn't all that its cracked up to be (as in, some people are earning way more than they should be and others aren't earning way near the amount they should), but it does make our quality of life better. Is that a lazy line of work then? Or is it a case of people needing to recognise their talents (or lack thereof)?

same with working to become a supermodel. (although there are lower levels of modleing that can be reasonably lucrative). its not EASY to keep yourself 10-40 lbs underweight and still be beautiful. its misguided to put all your energies into a field that spits you out as soon as you hit 30. then what do you do to support yourself?

I think I've done enough philosophical questioning and hypothetical thinking.

I'll go give my mind a rest :p Because I can't find any answers! [/argh]

Maybe the issue is that not so many people actually have a fallback career, but I am uncertain on this point. Are many of those people seeking supermodelling, casino life, gambling and sports careers actually capable of having a fallback career? What about people who aren't going for the high-end, yet make a career out of it, is that a fallback? is that lazy?

I mean, sure, entertainment isn't all that its cracked up to be (as in, some people are earning way more than they should be and others aren't earning way near the amount they should), but it does make our quality of life better. Is that a lazy line of work then? Or is it a case of people needing to recognise their talents (or lack thereof)?



I think I've done enough philosophical questioning and hypothetical thinking.

I'll go give my mind a rest :p Because I can't find any answers! [/argh]

i think the objection to young black men putting all their effort into basketball (or these days perhaps rap music) is that they are doing it instead of working hard in school. even if you make it to the pros, you still need that basic education. its just as bad to make it to the top only to have all your money stolen as it is to waste your time trying to get there and never earn any significant money to begin with.

the pros who do best are the ones who got some education AND worked hard to get to the top of their sport.