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The United Kingdom is, too. (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=359&objectid=10428254)

Your opinions?

The United Kingdom is, too. (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=359&objectid=10428254)

Your opinions?

THE U.K. IS SINKING TO THE LEVEL OF THE US!

*DARTH VADER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*

Well obviously, if you start treating your troops well then they might get upity and start getting ideas. So they have to be ruthlessly opressed and sent into war whenever their ranks begin to swell.

And they're still mistreating Gurkha vets as well. Bastards. And I think the army may have formed a union - even though they are not legally allowed to strike, so all it can do is act as an advice body to its members.

eff the union - i'm thinking a military coup would be more attractive. Finally get rid of Bliar and the military could run the country for a while (banning the May elections) they then ban Labour, Conservative or Lib Dem, or BNP or Independence parties (scottish/welsh/english) or UKIP (they about this year?) etc etc.

I think this is a better position for everyone - and the soldiers will receive better treatment.

problem(s) solved.

(also with a military dictatorship we wouldn't be anything like USA ................):confused:

Bah that's nothing new, I have major issues with the armed forces. Not
because I have issue with the concept of war, but because the norm for the armed forces is to not look after their people in a way in which you would expect for those who have served theior countries in such a way.

The Army in particular take in young, niave kids, turns them into proffesional killing machines, and then turfs them out with ut the appropriate de-proraming.

It seems that they are only interested in the end result, not the people who procure it for them

It is not right, it is fucking terrible, but it is the way it has always been.

the army doesn't program people to be killing machines, if only because the spend very little of their service life actually trying to kill people.

the army doesn't program people to be killing machines, if only because the spend very little of their service life actually trying to kill people.

Then you and I are in disagreement. What happens during your basic training? How is the young mind melded to think like a soldier? Would you say that this is tantamount to brainwashing? If so shouldn't all soldiers upon leaving service go through some sort of de-programing? Do you think that the armed services treat thier ex-employees with the required trust and respect due to somebody in their position?

Poor medical care has been with the British army since its creation sadly budget cuts and a public that doesn’t care hamper any improvement

All I can say is at least there is a dental service now

Then you and I are in disagreement. What happens during your basic training? How is the young mind melded to think like a soldier? Would you say that this is tantamount to brainwashing?

I'll be brief: your full of shit there is no mass brainwashing going on hence why modern warfare focuses on quick fire fights where you don’t have time to think

Poor medical care has been with the British army since its creation sadly budget cuts and a public that doesn’t care hamper any improvement

All I can say is at least there is a dental service now



I'll be brief: your full of shit there is no mass brainwashing going on hence why modern warfare focuses on quick fire fights where you don’t have time to think

Mawhahah okay, I could belive you cepting that I know too many young men that went into the armed forces, as perfectly normal people, and every single one to a man has come out a wanker who has not been able to intergrate back into civvie life, most of them also suffer from some sort of depression about two or three years after leaving.

Why is that would you say? Or do you deny this?

Why is that would you say? Or do you deny this?

I'd say source followed by the fact that most soldiers come out respectable individuals

True i say but the UK's media coverage sucks shit compared to the US's.

True i say but the UK's media coverage sucks shit compared to the US's.

I'd say its due to US culture in America your considered a hero of freedom in Britain its more of a violent drunk

I'd say source followed by the fact that most soldiers come out respectable individuals

My source? Is me, when I say all of the young men that I have seen turned into wankers by the armed forces, it's not just one or two or three I mean, I mean all of them that I have personaly known before and after, and that is a lot of them.

Your answer to the other poster below this about viloent drunks, shows that you know what I talk of, as does the UK(according to you)

Mawhahah okay, I could belive you cepting that I know too many young men that went into the armed forces, as perfectly normal people, and every single one to a man has come out a wanker who has not been able to intergrate back into civvie life, most of them also suffer from some sort of depression about two or three years after leaving.

Why is that would you say? Or do you deny this?

I spent a little time in the military and have had no trouble with civilian life. Nor has any of the people I was in with, a few of them are wankers but they were wankers when they started so I won't blame that on military training.

My source? Is me,

anecdotal evidence surely you can do better than this

Your answer to the other poster below this about viloent drunks, shows that you know what I talk of, as does the UK(according to you)

no there considered violent drunks because the army employs a large amount of the young working class who as any bar manager will tell you like to drink

Of course such a stereotype is unfair considering the consequences for such actions

My source? Is me, when I say all of the young men that I have seen turned into wankers by the armed forces, it's not just one or two or three I mean, I mean all of them that I have personaly known before and after, and that is a lot of them.

Your answer to the other poster below this about viloent drunks, shows that you know what I talk of, as does the UK(according to you)


Sounds like you might be projecting your own personality onto others. The vast majority of former servicemen and women I know are fine members of society. I think we are starting to see who the actual wanker is here...

anecdotal evidence surely you can do better than this

no there considered violent drunks because the army employs a large amount of the young working class who as any bar manager will tell you like to drink

Of course such a stereotype is unfair considering the consequences for such actions


Heh fair point but let me say a few words on that.

Firstly everything we belive is ultimatly based on such anecdotal evidance. For example you could probably tell me how far away from the sun we are, but you only know this because you belive the calcualtions of somebody who has come before you.

Secondly let me give you some background perspective.

I left school in 1984 two years after the end of the Falklands conflict, and I along with many of my fellow leavers applied to join the army.

Now I passed all sorts of tests, etc.. and then come the (in hindsight) luckyest break of my life, I was denied entry on the basis if only having one kidney.

Well as you can imagine I kept in touch with all of my friends(for as long as possible) but it was really after the 2, 5, 10 years of service that I managed to catch up with the majority again. To a man they had all changed and not for the better. I know a fair bit about mental helath issues, and the majority of these people were at least depressed, some bipolar, and not suppriseing with the amount of ganja circulating within the army.

During the training they first break them, and then remould them all the better to follow orders quickly eviciaently etc..

And all to the good, I fully undersrtand why this has to happen in a fighting force.

My beef is purley one of aftercare, it seems to me to be nonexistant.

Now I can not see nor talk to any of my old friends, even beyond that, even when I see perhaps female frineds hooking up with ex-soilders the result is always the same, rows, a few smacks and ultimatly abandenment. The army takes them in young, makes them violent then kicks them out without any sort of de-programing. Do you deny this?

Sounds like you might be projecting your own personality onto others. The vast majority of former servicemen and women I know are fine members of society. I think we are starting to see who the actual wanker is here...

Mwwhahahah really? Naaa not I, people have enough problems with their own psyche's without haveing mine projected onto them.

No man I speak purley from experiance, which is bascily the only thing we can all do.

I mean I can't see life through your eyes now can I?