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I've got 98 and XP running on the same machine but my new computer will be XP. I don't want anything to do with Vista right now. Vista is made of fail.

Timewarp!

xp, downgrading to pen and paper as soon as i can.

I use XP, perhaps soon upgrading to Vista. what about you?

This should have been a multipul selection

Linux (Debian, Ubuntu and Slackware)
FreeBSD
Windows (XP and Vista)

All of them

Windows XP -- but I've added a few choice programs like Madotate (3D windows) and Google Desktop (instant hard-drive search, widgets, sidebar) that make it almost Vista-like. :cool:

I use XP, perhaps soon upgrading to Vista. what about you?

OS? I never touch the stuff. :p I'm plugged in directly. :)

Vista.

Vista.

You poor bastard. :p

Hey, I like it.

Hey, I like it.

You poor bastard! :p

You poor bastard! :pHey, stop that!! :(

I've got 98 and XP running on the same machine but my new computer will be XP. I don't want anything to do with Vista right now. Vista is made of fail.

Timewarp!

Have, by and large not had any issues on the current 20 or so machines we have moved over ... (27 I think is the exact number, over the 25 limit for vista enterprise)

Hell have not even had program issues with all the custom and old crap we use around the office.

Hey, stop that!! :(

Okay, I'll stop.

You poor bastard! :)

Okay, I'll stop.

You poor bastard! :)LOL. :p

Xpee. (x64 version)

But I still have a win98/DOS machine.

My dad "upgraded" :rolleyes: my computer to Vista and now I can't play any games.:mad:Yes, the downside.

My dad "upgraded" :rolleyes: my computer to Vista and now I can't play any games.:mad:

I use Windows XP.

Also it crashes more frequently.This I have not experienced, thankfully, and at least I can play The Sims 2. It's really the only game I need. I'm addicted.

Yes, the downside.

Also it crashes more frequently.

Well to be fair, my computer barely even meets the requirements to use Vista. I think I scored a 1 on the performance measure.Ah, well that sucks. My computer meets exactly, or slightly exceeds the requirements, so that might be why it's running flawlessly on my system.

This I have not experienced, thankfully, and at least I can play The Sims 2. It's really the only game I need. I'm addicted.

Well to be fair, my computer barely even meets the requirements to use Vista. I think I scored a 1 on the performance measure.

XP + Fedora Core 6.
The poll realy should have been multiple choice and where is BSD?

Ubuntu Desktop
Fedora Core 5 Server with 1Tb RAID5 array
Fedora Core 6 Dev
Mac G5
Vista 64

Poll is useless as it presumes you only have one computer. Voted Linux because it's the only peoples OS.

Ubuntu, Windows Xp, Windows Vista Business ( Got it free from Microsoft for watching three training videos about 2 hours time).

Vista.

You poor bastard.

if i were a total rocket scientist nerd, which i would love to be and admire all who are, i would almost certainly be running some flavour of unix/linex.

but being the somewhat less then total genius about such things that i am, i'm currently simply running what came by default with the most nearly current hardware that i have, and probably will continue doing so untill it has been so completely left in the dust of the relentless march of tecnological evolution as to all but no longer be able to connect to the net.

all of which is of course by way of making excuses for my running xp. which is at least more stable then the old 95 which crashed every time i looked at it crosswise, which is all i have to run on my previous machine, who'se hardware, with various upgrades, i ran on for most of ten years.

yes, my current hardware came with xp preinstalled on it in such a way as to prevent, or at least discourage someone as simple as myself about such things, from transfering and installing it on my previous machine as well, which would thus make it possible to link the two, have them both stable, and able to talk to each other with an eithernet card and crossover cable. which i sure wish was as simple as just plugging in and connecting, or even, ...

well i ramble and mumble and grumble and mutter ...

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if i were a total rocket scientist nerd, which i would love to be and admire all who are, i would almost certainly be running some flavour of unix/linex.

but being the somewhat less then total genius about such things that i am, i'm currently simply running what came by default with the most nearly current hardware that i have, and probably will continue doing so untill it has been so completely left in the dust of the relentless march of tecnological evolution as to all but no longer be able to connect to the net.
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I feel your pain. The heart sez linux, the brain (or the lack thereof) goes with windows....

Currently Win2K, I should be upgrading very soon.

Currently Windows XP Home. As soon as I get a drive bay mount for my second HDD (not installed yet, I don't want to put it in yet, as I'm eventually going to upgrade to a DX10 card, and they're massive, apparently, so I'm going to lose the HDD cage) I'll be dual-booting Ubuntu. I haven't done it before, but I'm curious, and don't want to muck up my Windows install (hence the seperate HDD). Will upgrade to Vista once bugs are sorted out.

I'm probably going to wipe the hard drive on my old computer and convert it over to Ubuntu also, though.

XP. Not sure if I want Vista when I get a new computer.

Uuuhhh... why isn't the poll multichoice?

Anyway:

At home: XP Home, XP Pro and 2000 Pro.
At work: XP Pro.
At the uni: A locally-developed Linux variant.

add: I'd rather go back to DOS 3 or OS/2 than switching to Vista.

I use XP, perhaps soon upgrading to Vista. what about you?
Linux, experimenting with everything I can get my hands on, currently I want to make my system Plan 9 from Bell Labs compatible..

DR-DOS. Screw you people and your new fangled operating systems.

Wish I could get my hands on OS/2 Warp, though. That was a fun one. And while not an OS, they need to bring back MS-BOB.

Indeed. I think my parents still have floppies of an early version.

My main machine has XP x64 on it, with Vista Beta 2 as a dual-boot option (but it probably won't work as the motherboard's been changed since installing) and the detritus from an old, dead Win2K install cluttering up drive C.
It really needs a clean-up, repartition and reinstall, but I can't be arsed...

My old laptop has Win2K on it, and my second machine dual-boots Win2k and Fedora Core 6.

XP Home on the desktop, XP Pro in the laptop and XP Pro on the work PC. I have Vista Business CD, so when there's time - ready to test!

Only one Mac user?

XP Pro and, for the most part, very happy with it :)

shared OSs on my macbook, the mac OS and vista (not that many bugs surprisingly)

shared OSs on my macbook, the mac OS and vista (not that many bugs surprisingly)

Are you using Vista with the virtualisation on the Mac OS X?

Are you using Vista with the virtualisation on the Mac OS X?

Quite apparently why?

Quite apparently why?

Just curious. My Intel notebook has a Core 2 Duo T5600 (not the crippled T5500) supporting VT so I will want to use one day.

i use ME on my home computers, only cause i dont have enough RAM, etc, for Vista.

i'll poke my eyes out before putting XP on my machines. XP means XPERIMENTAL (and they failed big time). i work with Vista, and i like its security and ease of use. anyone who uses XP and wont use Vista are only scared that they will go through the horrors and problems they had when going from ME (or 2000) to XP.

which of course if the chance u take with any MS product, but still, Vista is better than XP by far!!

I love XP and I'm sticking with it until Microsoft cuts off the life support, then I will grudgingly migrate over to VISTA, or try SuSe again, or even RedHat.

OK... I use the following (yes, there's a reason for all of them):

Windows XP
Windows 98
Windows 95
Windows 3.1
MS Dos (x2)
Mac OS 9
Mac OSX
Ubuntu Linux
SuSe Linux
Fedora Core 3 Linux

if i were a total rocket scientist nerd, which i would love to be and admire all who are, i would almost certainly be running some flavour of unix/linex.

but being the somewhat less then total genius about such things that i am, i'm currently simply running what came by default with the most nearly current hardware that i have, and probably will continue doing so untill it has been so completely left in the dust of the relentless march of tecnological evolution as to all but no longer be able to connect to the net.

Linux isn't that hard. Download Ubuntu, and you'll find it easier to install than Windows. You can even run it in full from the CD before installing it, without affecting any of your hard drive files, just to see if you like it.

You'll also get more life out of your computer, as Linux is less demanding on your hardware...

if i were a total rocket scientist nerd, which i would love to be and admire all who are, i would almost certainly be running some flavour of unix/linex.

but being the somewhat less then total genius about such things that i am, i'm currently simply running what came by default with the most nearly current hardware that i have, and probably will continue doing so untill it has been so completely left in the dust of the relentless march of tecnological evolution as to all but no longer be able to connect to the net.


Someone give this guy a live-CD, preferably not a Gentoo-one :) Really, it is worth trying out a Kubuntu or Ubuntu, or Knoppix...

I have XP on two of my computers, and some version of Linux on 4 of them. (I have 5 computers) I mostly use Ubuntu, and the kids mostly use Edubuntu, but I have a few programs that only run in Windows.

DR-DOS. Screw you people and your new fangled operating systems.....


Too right about DR-DOS! I still have a machine on DR-DOS 6, and still love it. if there were any justice in the world, people would have realized how superior it was to its competitors and switched. IMO, M$-DO$ never got past a poor imitation of DR-DOS 4. And, I'd like to have seen DR apply the same intelligence and meticulousness to constructing a proper object-oriented GUI from the ground up.


HOWEVER -- I have moved onto OSX for a lot of my work. It supports certain modern apps I need, and doesn't come with all the headaches of ANY version of whinge-doze. I also like *n*x for some stuff.

A much more important question, perhaps, would have been "which OS are you?"
http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php

My results varied on the basis of 2 equally likely answers to a couple of questions. So I ended up somewhere between :
http://bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/debian.jpg
and
http://bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/os_x.jpg

I'm uncertain how these two could be so closely connected... bizarre. Maybe I've got dissociative personality disorder?

They are both Unices.

I am also Debian! (Despite being a Gentooista!)

XP at home

and Dell is forcing me to go with Vista on the new Laptop I ordered :(

Good old XP. It works, so why change?

XP at home

and Dell is forcing me to go with Vista on the new Laptop I ordered :(

Same here, though I haven't actually ordered it. Why can't I just use XP, curse you Dell!

XP at home

and Dell is forcing me to go with Vista on the new Laptop I ordered :(

you can order it with Linux, they won't have a problem.

that is if you don't mind using Linux......if you want Windows, then yeah.

do you have your XP install disc?

order your laptop with no software and load XP on it when you get it.

seriously people :rolleyes:

Considering I've never installed XP, I more than likely don't. And I only really want to get XP on my new laptop cos I figure it'll be cheaper. Heck, I only want a new laptop to cos the creen on the one I have is broken and getting progessively more broken.

Same here, though I haven't actually ordered it. Why can't I just use XP, curse you Dell!

do you have your XP install disc?

order your laptop with no software and load XP on it when you get it.

seriously people :rolleyes:

If you are forced to use an OS you don't like, buy elsewhere! the capitalist solution :)

it will be even cheaper to get it preloaded with Linux.

Excellent. Cheaper is better. :fluffle:

Ubuntu and XP. Dual boot.

Considering I've never installed XP, I more than likely don't. And I only really want to get XP on my new laptop cos I figure it'll be cheaper. Heck, I only want a new laptop to cos the creen on the one I have is broken and getting progessively more broken.

it will be even cheaper to get it preloaded with Linux.

They are both Unices.

I am also Debian! (Despite being a Gentooista!)

That's true, Rejistania, but one's hard to get to know, and the other's "a bit transparent". Maybe that's worth me thinking about some more.... :confused:
(This could end up getting deep and psychoanalytical if I'm not careful.)

I use Mac OS 10.4 Tiger

XP is at the pinnacle of its capability, and as such, that's what I run.

DR-DOS. Screw you people and your new fangled operating systems.

Wish I could get my hands on OS/2 Warp, though. That was a fun one. And while not an OS, they need to bring back MS-BOB.

I may or may not have a download location for you

(Ill post a picture when my router at home gets un freekafied)

it will be even cheaper to get it preloaded with Linux.

You would think so but have you seen some of the price comparisons out there, it is stupid when dell released their "linux" line it was actualy cheaper to buy the hardware that came with windows and format to linux then to get the one offered with just linux

I use XP, perhaps soon upgrading to Vista. what about you?

I use XP.

I like to use Windows 3.1 (less bugs than XP.)

I like to use Windows 3.1 (less bugs than XP.)

I still have a perfectly functioning pc running that in the attic. Old hardware seems to be "less buggy" than all that new stuff as well...

Besides, it has barclock *wonders how many people will know that little tool*.

I use XP.

I like to use Windows 3.1 (less bugs than XP.)

What?????? My windows 3.1 from what I remember had more bugs then an overcrowded sewer bug clubhouse the size of the sewer, and that was when it was new.

I still have a perfectly functioning pc running that in the attic. Old hardware seems to be "less buggy" than all that new stuff as well...

Besides, it has barclock.

The more bells and whistles it has, the more items it has to break.

What?????? My windows 3.1 from what I remember had more bugs then an overcrowded sewer bug clubhouse the size of the sewer, and that was when it was new.

and when you compare it with 98, 2000, NT, XP, Etc...

I had to download more patches and Service packs for the other os than win 3.1

and when you compare it with 98, 2000, NT, XP, Etc...

I had to download more patches and Service packs for the other os than win 3.1

Is that because there were more problems with that other software or they CAUGHT more problems.

By and large XP's updates are security patches, which was not neerly the same concern in thoes days (specially when windows 3.1 regular edition could not even network! workstations could with a LOT of work)

I am not sure patch releases is a good indicator of the overall quality

I'm using Ubuntu Linux on all* my computers. For the complete computer retards I have living with me, I find I have to fix their computer much less.

*except the Mac which still has OS 9.

I'm on a MacBook right now as you read this.

I've got 98 and XP running on the same machine but my new computer will be XP. I don't want anything to do with Vista right now. Vista is made of fail.

Timewarp!

Nah stay away from Vista. XP PRO is where you're safest and stablest.

i've got ubuntu... the 64 bit version. soon as i get one of my friends to get it to stop complaining about various things, i'm probibly going to switch over to it as compleatly as i can.

currently i'm running my comp duel booting ubuntu and XP. xp isn't great, but sucks less than vista. a lot less than vista.

that, and i use this comp mostly for games, so *shrugs* depends how things go.

oddly, that personality test claimed i was windows 98. i have never managed to get one of my computers to run windows 98. go figure. [note: i have not owned that many computers, and the pre-XP ones were 95 era machines. so *shrugs* no great loss there. it's telling that vista is the reason i'm shifting to linux though :D]

I love my Tiger.

I switched to Ubuntu after XP refused to activate. I'm no computer expert, I just downloaded the iso, and followed the prompts. I couldn't be happier with the system.
I don't have to bother with firewalls or viruses or fragmenting or instability or running registry mechanic or paying for software or holding for hours when calling customer support or being forced to download security patches every other day or being forced to restart whenever something is installed/upgraded or reinstall the OS because it is running so damn slow...
Life without windows is boring. I never have anything to waste time fixing. :(

Yeah, I love my Mac. Except when it's being stupid. And I'm allowed to have an opinion on the Mac vs. PC debate because I also own an XP Pro windows computer. And they can both be bastards. :rolleyes:

Nah stay away from Vista. XP PRO is where you're safest and stablest.
NetBSD is where you're safest and most stable.

Guys, the safest and most stable is one on PC which is turned off.

nah, Jer, safe maybe but stable? You are unable to run anything!

nah, Jer, safe maybe but stable? You are unable to run anything!

I never said functional, did I? ;)

NetBSD is where you're safest and most stable.

Most BSD's have simmilar performance range I personally prefer FreeBSD.

Nah stay away from Vista. XP PRO is where you're safest and stablest.

Have not had any more stability issues with Vista then I have with XP PRO in both a home and a Educational institution.

And we deploy some of the craziest Frankenstein home made and legacy aps for normal function that you will EVER see ... no problem with the switch whatsoever

Have not had any more stability issues with Vista then I have with XP PRO in both a home and a Educational institution.

And we deploy some of the craziest Frankenstein home made and legacy aps for normal function that you will EVER see ... no problem with the switch whatsoever

Only problem with Vista is the six zillion editions it has. I'm waiting for ZoneLabs to release their Vista compatible versions before upgrading to Vista (Ultimate).

Only problem with Vista is the six zillion editions it has. I'm waiting for ZoneLabs to release their Vista compatible versions before upgrading to Vista (Ultimate).

Yeah we were waiting on symantec to release their Vista Corporate Edition for us (they had an update for most of their lines but it did not handle our corporate version)

10.2 is out now and it should handle it without blowing up lol

I use Windows 2000, Red Hat Linux and IBM OS/2. That's a lot.

A much more important question, perhaps, would have been "which OS are you?"
http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php

My results varied on the basis of 2 equally likely answers to a couple of questions. So I ended up somewhere between :
http://bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/debian.jpg
and
http://bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/os_x.jpg

I'm uncertain how these two could be so closely connected... bizarre. Maybe I've got dissociative personality disorder?

http://bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/slackware.jpg

Ubuntu and FreeBSD atm, looking at adding Slackware and/or Haiku to that list.

And I suppose WinXP at school, and there's a Mac Mini downstairs which I use sometimes. Mind you, I run Cygwin from a thumb drive at school, so that only half counts.

I switched to Ubuntu after XP refused to activate. I'm no computer expert, I just downloaded the iso, and followed the prompts. I couldn't be happier with the system.
I don't have to bother with firewalls or viruses or fragmenting or instability or running registry mechanic or paying for software or holding for hours when calling customer support or being forced to download security patches every other day or being forced to restart whenever something is installed/upgraded or reinstall the OS because it is running so damn slow...
Life without windows is boring. I never have anything to waste time fixing. :(
Setup either Compiz (http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Main_Page) or Beryl (http://www.beryl-project.org/), or be like me and setup Beryl and then Compiz. Should keep you busy for a day or two.

Setup either Compiz (http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Main_Page) or Beryl (http://www.beryl-project.org/), or be like me and setup Beryl and then Compiz. Should keep you busy for a day or two.

Or a week ... Depending on issues (like some major display adapter trauma I had)

Tiger, Tiger, burning bright.

10.4.8's all right!

Or a week ... Depending on issues (like some major display adapter trauma I had)
Yeah... me too... one week to set up X11 at 800x600... that was the time when men were still men, women were still women and Linux was still user-hostile :)

Or a week ... Depending on issues (like some major display adapter trauma I had)
Took me about three weeks to get it going the first time. But that was when Dapper was in Alpha, Quinnstorm's repos moved on a weekly basis, 72 different ways to setup XGL, and the fglrx driver had two bugs for every line of code.

Now it usually works without a hitch.

I dual boot XP and Vista

XP, but I wish I could go back to '98. At least when you pressed Ctrl + Alt + Del in 98 and told it to end task, it actually did what it was told, instead of twatting about for another half an hour figuring out what to do.

I'm seriously sceptical of Vista as well. It looks like even more of a resource hog than XP. It seems to me Microsoft have forgotten what the point of an operating system is.

iv currently got XP Professional 64-bit installed, but getting Vista Ultimate 64-bit soon:-D

Yeah... me too... one week to set up X11 at 800x600... that was the time when men were still men, women were still women and Linux was still user-hostile :)
Do you pine for the days when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?

http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2003/01/os_quiz/free_bsd.jpg
You are FreeBSD. You're a speed demon and a great networker. You have a tendency to give it away for free. Well-respected, but virtually unknown.
Which OS are You? (http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php)
YESSS!!! I knew it!!

Anyways:
Win 98, NT4, 2000, ME, XP Prof and Vista RC1.... Vista (Ultimate?) soon to come
Free BSD
MacOS 8
MS-DOS

I still want to dig out that old copy of OS2 WARP and find a machine to run it on (looks around himself and smiles seeing an abandoned PC)

Poll shoud have been multi and with a UNIX choice

I switched to Ubuntu after XP refused to activate. I'm no computer expert, I just downloaded the iso, and followed the prompts. I couldn't be happier with the system.
I don't have to bother with firewalls or viruses or fragmenting or instability or running registry mechanic or paying for software or holding for hours when calling customer support or being forced to download security patches every other day or being forced to restart whenever something is installed/upgraded or reinstall the OS because it is running so damn slow...
Life without windows is boring. I never have anything to waste time fixing. :(

Oh yeah... Sure... If you say so... :rolleyes:

Yeah... me too... one week to set up X11 at 800x600... that was the time when men were still men, women were still women and Linux was still user-hostile :)

``Unix is user-friendly, it's just very picky about who it's friends are.''

Ever played about with the Plan 9 tools out of interest?

``Unix is user-friendly, it's just very picky about who it's friends are.''

Ever played about with the Plan 9 tools out of interest?
Sounds like this OS has standards.

I run Windows XP right now. I forget who it was, but they suggested I try out the linux distribution Kubuntu, which I would if someone was able to teach me how to use the damn thing. Also, if that person could tell me who they were. I can't remember, but I think it might have been Utracia.

XP. No Vista for me. It's ghey, made of fail, and ripped off Mac just to start....

<--- Guess :)

The HURD;12425106']<--- Guess :)
rms? is that you?

EDIT: That does sound like a project for this summer after I LFS. How is Mach's hardware support? Abysmal? Sounds awesome.

Nope... it's me! (BTW: I have Linux an my computer as well for the parts where HURD fails...). Hardware support ought to be better, but hey you can even get X11 to the stage I need it (one background, ~20 xterms).

The HURD;12425133']Nope... it's me! (BTW: I have Linux an my computer as well for the parts where HURD fails...)Hardware support ought to be better, but hey you can even get X11 to the stage I need it (one background, ~20 xterms).
Back to my second question. Does X, work with HURD? If so, do all the free drivers work too?

EDIT:Fun, so I am going to have pretty much no bling, then?

From the Debian-page:
X.Org has been ported and all video cards, which it supports that do not require a kernel module should work.

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install

Kinda hard to install though...

The HURD;12425163']From the Debian-page:
X.Org has been ported and all video cards, which it supports that do not require a kernel module should work.

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install

Kinda hard to install though...

I can deal with a tough install. Plus, LFS should help my Linux uberness, which will help HURD uberness.

I thinkthe oss radeon driver(which Kieth Packard promised should have R500 support soon) will probably require the kernel module, but fglrx doesn't. If it builds, I'll have something besides vesa to use.

Happy hacking! :)

The HURD;12425225']Happy hacking! :)
If cursing loudly counts as happy, It will be having the happiest of days.:)

All part of the fun. It's like a marathon. It takes determination, stamina, skill and you'll feel shit during it because it's your 3rd consecutive night wihtout sleep but if it runs, it's great. :)

``Unix is user-friendly, it's just very picky about who it's friends are.''

Ever played about with the Plan 9 tools out of interest?
I have trouble making Plan 9 boot natively on my box... :( *wants plan 9*

I have trouble making Plan 9 boot natively on my box... :( *wants plan 9*

I haven't even tried to boot Plan 9 on my box, but a bunch of the tools and stuff from it have been ported to Unix. Window manager, Terminal Emulator, Menu App, and Text Editor (Old version), that I know of.

Have a look at them sometime, can be interesting to use.

Plan 9 from User Space, yeah... I'll try tomorrow to boot Plan 9 again and after that, I will resort to it. But I think Plan 9 in emulation lacks the fascination...