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I am going to have to do this if I ever get a parking ticket. This is freaking hilarious, AND it's legal tender.

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I am going to have to do this if I ever get a parking ticket. This is freaking hilarious, AND it's legal tender.

two points...
One, you might want to blot out the name, or at least the last name.

two, if the bank cannot read the amount then it's not considered paid, so all he did was prolong the agony.

...it looks negative...

two points...
One, you might want to blot out the name, or at least the last name.

two, if the bank cannot read the amount then it's not considered paid, so all he did was prolong the agony.

It's definitely readable...

I'm totally doing that some day.

Genius.

The only person more dangerous to piss off than an engineer is a retired engineer. They not only have the money, skills, and resources, they also have a lot of spare time on their hands...

It's just .002, isn't it? Booooooring. At least make it irrational, or complex.

It's just .002, isn't it? Booooooring. At least make it irrational, or complex.

You worked it out? God, you'd be even worse to piss off than the engineer.

It's definitely readable...

I want to see IDF try it and try to argue the results. :p

A truly ironic revenge would be the city having someone figure out the equation, then writing him a citation for oweing the remainder in math equations he can understand.

I think this is a related case of someone trying to explain the meaning of.002 cents vs. .002 dollars. Believe it or not, its with Verizon once again. I think this might actually be the same guy. After listening for 22 minutes, you'll be :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

I think this is a related case of someone trying to explain the meaning of.002 cents vs. .002 dollars. Believe it or not, its with Verizon once again. I think this might actually be the same guy. After listening for 22 minutes, you'll be :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

lol I love this, I think this was posted on the forums before.

So, uhm... how much is that exactly? In plain old numbers, please!Someone can check my numbers, but I came up with .002 cents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

Listen to this call. I believe this customer service call is what prompted the check.

So, uhm... how much is that exactly? In plain old numbers, please!

Someone can check my numbers, but I came up with .002 cents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

Listen to this call. I believe this customer service call is what prompted the check.

I'm listening. I'm delighted that I have nothing to do with Verizon.

I'm listening. I'm delighted that I have nothing to do with Verizon.

Does listening make you want to :headbang: ?

nothing with powers in can be negative, so if you are adding to the power of something and then adding the sum of values 1/something to the power of something it has to be postive as both things you are adding are positive.

Sorry about this, i'm tired and feel like being random and perdantic.

Eh? e^ipi is -1, innit? What do you mean "nothing with powers in"?

At the point I posted that, I hadn't noticed the infinity over the sigma yet, so I figured the sum was less than one, and that, plus negative one, plus .002 was probably negative. Which was why I said it looked negative.

P.S.
edit: ok i just realised e^ipi = -1

:p

Does listening make you want to :headbang: ?

No, I live very very far away from Verizon, their crazy math can't touch me.


God I hope it can't.



I'm scared now.......

Does listening make you want to :headbang: ?

I bet the words "per cent" (percent) are confusing the guy.

Eh? e^ipi is -1, innit? What do you mean "nothing with powers in"?

At the point I posted that, I hadn't noticed the infinity over the sigma yet, so I figured the sum was less than one, and that, plus negative one, plus .002 was probably negative. Which was why I said it looked negative.

P.S.


:p

forget it i can't think straight right now.

No, I live very very far away from Verizon, their crazy math can't touch me.


God I hope it can't.



I'm scared now.......

Verizon is an object so incredibly dense that no light can escape. If light can't escape, you can't either.

Verizon is an object so incredibly dense that no light can escape. If light can't escape, you can't either.

*cries*

It is indeed .002, but it's not legal, there is no dollar sign.

It is indeed .002, but it's not legal, there is no dollar sign.
o.O

Maybe because it says "Dollars" right at the end of the line?
Math isn't everything, you know, reading can help, too. ;p

o.O

Maybe because it says "Dollars" right at the end of the line?
Math isn't everything, you know, reading can help, too. ;p

*Takes Foot out of Mouth*
Pah, reading.

And I've got a date with one of them engineering types of folks tonight...I'll make sure to play nice.

Har har har!

You worked it out? God, you'd be even worse to piss off than the engineer.
Of course he worked it out. Pissing off Dina is not a good idea considering how much random trivia information he knows and could possibly use against you. In fact, I'm kind of scared now.

>.>
<.<

*flees*

Of course he worked it out. Pissing off Dina is not a good idea considering how much random trivia information he knows and could possibly use against you. In fact, I'm kind of scared now.

>.>
<.<

*flees*

*chases*
;)

Of course he worked it out. Pissing off Dina is not a good idea considering how much random trivia information he knows and could possibly use against you. In fact, I'm kind of scared now.

>.>
<.<

*flees*

ZOMG! A future engineer!

*flees more than La Dame*

And I've got a date with one of them engineering types of folks tonight...I'll make sure to play nice.

Let him/her work out the tip.

Of course he worked it out. Pissing off Dina is not a good idea considering how much random trivia information he knows and could possibly use against you. In fact, I'm kind of scared now.

>.>
<.<

*flees*

Rawr.


Luckily, I'm not very easily pissed off...not since sixth grade...

Let him/her work out the tip.

And take a video. I've always wanted to see someone mathematically prove that not only do they not owe the waiter a tip, but that the waiter actually owes him money.

Okay, I've just finished listening to three different recordings on the matter, read the blog, and all I can say is this: Phew!

First of all, how can the customers remain so calm? I'd be going nuts in no time.
Next thought: How can people working in customer service be so... dumb?
[Don't answer, please: I'm still struggling with the German Telecom, T-Com, or how I call them: TerrorCom!]

Gah! Anyway, I'm glad I never had any dealings with Verizon. And now never will, either!

*chases*
;)
pfft. You don't have the skills to chase me.:p
ZOMG! A future engineer!

*flees more than La Dame*
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Fear the wrath of my engineer-ness.

Why aren't you running from Ifreann? He's also an engineer. :D
Rawr.


Luckily, I'm not very easily pissed off...not since sixth grade...
What were you like in sixth grade then? How has the world not imploded yet?

Of course he worked it out. Pissing off Dina is not a good idea considering how much random trivia information he knows and could possibly use against you. In fact, I'm kind of scared now.

>.>
<.<

*flees*

Ladame!

And take a video. I've always wanted to see someone mathematically prove that not only do they not owe the waiter a tip, but that the waiter actually owes him money.

The waiter would probably walk away out of confusion and just waive the entire bill.

What were you like in sixth grade then? How has the world not imploded yet?

Well, I was in middle school. And middle school, universally, sucks.

Alternatively, the Devil-Emperor. In which cause, I wouldn't want my empire to implode.

Note to self: learn advanced maths.

Note to self: learn advanced maths.

It's not that advanced. Lotsa people should know e^ipi, and the whole adding halves out to infinity bit shows up pretty early on...

Why does everybody want to be an engineer all of a suddn? I don't get it :confused:

*Imagines The Lady as a chainsaw-wielding hippie engineer*

*Plays poker*




PS: Please insert the thread title somewhere into the Monty Python song "Never be rude to an arab..."

It's not that advanced. Lotsa people should know e^ipi, and the whole adding halves out to infinity bit shows up pretty early on...

Well, I did all that junk back in high school, but because i've never had to use anything like it ever since, that information has been pushed out to make room for other things. *nod*

Well, I did all that junk back in high school, but because i've never had to use anything like it ever since, that information has been pushed out to make room for other things. *nod*

I know just what you mean. I took two semesters of calculus last year and I've already forgotten most of it.

Okay, I've just finished listening to three different recordings on the matter, read the blog, and all I can say is this: Phew!

First of all, how can the customers remain so calm? I'd be going nuts in no time.
Next thought: How can people working in customer service be so... dumb?
[Don't answer, please: I'm still struggling with the German Telecom, T-Com, or how I call them: TerrorCom!]

Gah! Anyway, I'm glad I never had any dealings with Verizon. And now never will, either!

I would never keep my cool that long. I have to admit I died a little inside when I listened to it.

Why does everybody want to be an engineer all of a suddn? I don't get it :confused:
Because they are fricken sweet, what now?

What if I were to write a check using the Riemann Hypothesis? Since its unproved, would the check be worth anything?

This is freaking hilarious, AND it's legal tender.

No, it ain't.

Someone can check my numbers, but I came up with .002 cents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

Listen to this call. I believe this customer service call is what prompted the check.What the...?! Is it really real?

I think this is a related case of someone trying to explain the meaning of.002 cents vs. .002 dollars. Believe it or not, its with Verizon once again. I think this might actually be the same guy. After listening for 22 minutes, you'll be :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=



damn i hate i couldn't rewind the vid/recording by the second.. i wasn't about to keep going back to the beginning to re hear something (although i did a couple of times before the 5 min point).

7179, 35893, .002

I don't own a cell phone and haven't for years.. so don't know what charges.. plans etc are out there now..to know if the dude was just trying to confuse the hell outta people.. or if they just had a communication problem when he got the plan or if it was a billing problem. So he lived in the US? .. the calls were to Canada? I doubt that would come up to 71 cents unless there was a discrepancy.

but .. what the hell does the 35893 kbs mean? connection? certainly not minutes. if he had unlimited minutes this wouldn't be an issue(unless he went over them or he wasn't able to call another country on his freebies). so what the hell are they talking about?

I liked the dudes voices though.. :)

damn i hate i couldn't rewind the vid/recording by the second.. i wasn't about to keep going back to the beginning to re hear something (although i did a couple of times before the 5 min point).
<snip>
The guy paid a monthly fee for unlimited internet access in the states. Then he relocated to Canada and got a new mobile connection. With the new connection he got charged per Kb, instead of the fixed monthly fee he was used to.

So he probably wasn't trying to screw with anyone.

His problem, if it's not a hoax, is that Verizon sold him a connection saying they'd charge him 0.00002$ per Kb, but billed him 0.002$ per Kb and apparently are either incapable of telling the rather staggering difference, or unwilling to admit they either sold the connection under false pretext, or are overcharging him in a pretty damn massive way.

The guy paid a monthly fee for unlimited internet access in the states. Then he relocated to Canada and got a new mobile connection. With the new connection he got charged per Kb, instead of the fixed monthly fee he was used to.

So he probably wasn't trying to screw with anyone.

His problem, if it's not a hoax, is that Verizon sold him a connection saying they'd charge him 0.00002$ per Kb, but billed him 0.002$ per Kb and apparently are either incapable of telling the rather staggering difference, or unwilling to admit they either sold the connection under false pretext, or are overcharging him in a pretty damn massive way.


ahh ok, gotcha. thanks. not sure if it was the verizon check at the beginning or what.. but i was stuck on this is a cell phone matter.

It's just .002, isn't it? Booooooring. At least make it irrational, or complex.What? I came up with $536.50 rounded up to the nearest cent... :confused:

e^2(PI) ~ 2.7^6.2 = 472.55.....

What? I came up with $536.50 rounded up to the nearest cent... :confused:

e^2(PI) ~ 2.7^6.2 = 472.55.....

...Where'd you get 2pi?

but .. what the hell does the 35893 kbs mean?Kilobits per second. It's a connection speed.

Kilobits per second. It's a connection speed.


it sounded like it .. but my mind was stuck on a cell phone .. i was tryin to figure it out. hehe. thank you and Similization.

What if I were to write a check using the Riemann Hypothesis? Since its unproved, would the check be worth anything?

You'd be better off proving the hypothesis, collecting your $1,000,000 from the CMI, winning your Fields Medal, gaining your place as one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, and then write the check.

It's just .002, isn't it? Booooooring. At least make it irrational, or complex.

It's -0.998, isn't it?. e^(i*pi) = -1 so 0.002 + -1 + 0 = -0.998.

...Where'd you get 2pi?It looks like a 2 in the bit where you're supposed to write the words in. However, since e^ipi = -1, I think you're right.

However, the guy will be in deep shit if the cashier reads the cheque like I did.

It's -0.998, isn't it?. e^(i*pi) = -1 so 0.002 + -1 + 0 = -0.998.

You missed the sum, the bit with the sigma. e^(i*pi) is negative one, the sum is one, so it's just .002

No, actually it would be 0.6469...

You have 0.002+e^(π*i), which is negative -0.998 and then you have the function ζ(2), which would sum to π^2/6 or 1.645..., and then subtracting -0.998 from that would produce

The mistake here is that you're using the limit of the function rather than the sum of the infinite series; since that is a variant of the zeta function, when n=2 the function sums to π^2/6.

Que? Isn't the series 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16...? That sums to 1, right? Riiiight? Isn't the limit zero?

You missed the sum, the bit with the sigma. e^(i*pi) is negative one, the sum is one, so it's just .002
I didn't mis the sum, that is zero, isn't it? or a half?:confused:

I do know I fail at calculus and math.:p

The last part does not sum to 0. It is the Riemann zeta function evaluated at ζ(2) and sums to π^2/6. It would only be zero if you were taking the limit of the function 1/2^x but rather you are taking the infinite summation of that function

Reeeally? Cuz it looks like a series of halves.

It looks a bit different from that Reimann bit.

You're not taking the limit. It's written in sigma notation, which indicates you are taking the infinite sum of that function, and if you evaluate it out it sums to π^2/6.

It's also important because that function is the Basel problem, which was proved by Euler back in the 18th century.

Nah, see, You've got it flipped, I think. 2 is the base in the denominator, here. If 2 was the exponent in the demoninator, and n the base, then it would sum to pi^2/6. This sums to one.

I'll go with this.:D

Don't.

Reimann:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/c/5/ac5bde9e3e50d54d59b34511921a735b.png

2 is n on the check, not s.

You're not taking the limit. It's written in sigma notation, which indicates you are taking the infinite sum of that function, and if you evaluate it out it sums to π^2/6.

It's also important because that function is the Basel problem, which was proved by Euler back in the 18th century.

I'll go with this.:D

Yeah, I realized that when I looked at it again...I mixed it up. Ops.

It would've been even cooler if the guy actually used the zeta function in it.

Hehehe, s'okay. :p

Yes, that would be cooler. Like a said before, this was boring. .002, minus one, plus one.

I'll go with this.:D

No, actually, it's wrong. I wasn't paying attention when I was reading and mixed up the fact that the exponent is increasing rather than the base.

No, actually, it's wrong. I wasn't paying attention when I was reading and mixed up the fact that the exponent is increasing rather than the base.

:p

I thought so.:p

Nah, see, You've got it flipped, I think. 2 is the base in the denominator, here. If 2 was the exponent in the demoninator, and n the base, then it would sum to pi^2/6. This sums to one.

Yeah, I realized that when I looked at it again...I mixed it up. Ops.

It would've been even cooler if the guy actually used the zeta function in it.

Don't.

Reimann:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/c/5/ac5bde9e3e50d54d59b34511921a735b.png

2 is n on the check, not s.
*looks at it*

Guh...

Okay:p

Hehehe, s'okay. :p

Yes, that would be cooler. Like a said before, this was boring. .002, minus one, plus one.

know -it-all

just kidding. :p

was going to give my definition (which you don't fit) of what a know it all is.. maybe another time.

I think this is a related case of someone trying to explain the meaning of.002 cents vs. .002 dollars. Believe it or not, its with Verizon once again. I think this might actually be the same guy. After listening for 22 minutes, you'll be :headbang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp0HyxQv97Q&eurl=

O.M.G.

I nearly popped an artery by just listening to it.

That man is a god.

pfft. You don't have the skills to chase me.:p
Pffft, yes I do. I just won't cantch.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Fear the wrath of my engineer-ness.

Why aren't you running from Ifreann? He's also an engineer. :D
Yes, ph34r my engineering skillz.


What if I were to write a check using the Riemann Hypothesis? Since its unproved, would the check be worth anything?

It'd be worth something....about as much as the paper it's printed on.

That man is a god.

Must be a merciful one, at that.

is not the sum of a geometric series a/(1-r) ?

(1/2)^n

r = 1/2
a = 1

1/0.5 = 2 ?

Err...where'd a and r come from?

Err...where'd a and r come from?

from what I've learned in calculus...geometric series is in the form of ar^n

so... 1(1/2)^n

and the sum of the geometric series is S = a/(1-r)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_progression

maybe because the series starts at n=1?

**edit: just checked online**

the series sums to 1 since n starts at 1 instead of 0. (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GeometricSeries.html)

my mistake

Sorry if I sound like an idiot here, but how does that last bit come out to 1? Is it just 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 etc ? In layman's terms please :)

The only person more dangerous to piss off than an engineer is a retired engineer. They not only have the money, skills, and resources, they also have a lot of spare time on their hands...

Wrong. The tech is the guy to look out for. He won't retire until he has peed the retired engineer off :D

Sorry if I sound like an idiot here, but how does that last bit come out to 1? Is it just 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 etc ? In layman's terms please :)

the last bit is a geometric series sum starting at n=1...which according to the link I posted can be found in the formula r/(1-r)

r = 1/2

so 0.5/(1-.5) = 1.

Sorry if I sound like an idiot here, but how does that last bit come out to 1? Is it just 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 etc ? In layman's terms please :)A layman's explanation might be that when you have 1/2 you are 1/2 away from 1. When you had a half of a half (1/4) you are 1/4 away from 1 and so on. Now if you progress to the infinite term you are 1/infinity away from 1. 1/infinity is considered to equal zero. So the sum of the series from 1 to infinity is 1.

That's the a layman's explanation, but there are some more eloquent mathematical proofs out there if you're looking for them

A layman's explanation might be that when you have 1/2 you are 1/2 away from 1. When you had a half of a half (1/4) you are 1/4 away from 1 and so on. Now if you progress to the infinite term you are 1/infinity away from 1. 1/infinity is considered to equal zero. So the sum of the series from 1 to infinity is 1.

That's the a layman's explanation, but there are some more eloquent mathematical proofs out there if you're looking for them

Thanks, I read you loud and clear.

the last bit is a geometric series sum starting at n=1...which according to the link I posted can be found in the formula r/(1-r)

r = 1/2

so 0.5/(1-.5) = 1.

That doesn't look very layman to me...:P

That doesn't look very layman to me...:P

yes I know, I'm quite a math elitist for ... a 17 year old. :D