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Pope John Paul II is one step closer to sainthood:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_JOHN_PAUL_SAINTHOOD?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Prediction: Saint John Paul the Great within five years.

Oh.

Prediction: John Paul will rise from his grave and feast on the brains of the cardinals.

I certainly hope so.

Prediction: John Paul will rise from his grave and feast on the brains of the cardinals.

Prediction: John Paul will rise from his grave and feast on the brains of the cardinals.

That would certainly heighten my respect for the Catholic Church.

That would certainly heighten my respect for the Catholic Church.

Yeah, me too, strangely enough.

While I don't object, I do wonder what acts he had performed that could be considered "true" miracles. Charity is a kind of a true follower of Christ and helping those in need.

Pope John Paul II is one step closer to sainthood:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_JOHN_PAUL_SAINTHOOD?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Prediction: Saint John Paul the Great within five years.

Nice title.

While I don't object, I do wonder what acts he had performed that could be considered "true" miracles. Charity is a kind of a true follower of Christ and helping those in need.

He once made an entire box of twinkies vanish. ;)

He once made an entire box of twinkies vanish. ;)

Pffft! Anyone can do THAT! :p

Pope John Paul II is one step closer to sainthood:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_JOHN_PAUL_SAINTHOOD?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Prediction: Saint John Paul the Great within five years.In what way is JP2 any step closer to sainthood? The review of his life has not yet produced evidence for the required miracle, or did it?

Pope John Paul II is one step closer to sainthood:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/V/VATICAN_JOHN_PAUL_SAINTHOOD?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Prediction: Saint John Paul the Great within five years.

He hasn't even been officially been beatified yet, so while possible, I think your prediction is somewhat far-fetched.

As to those asking about what miracles he's performed, that article didn't really explain the process well enough that non-Catholics (and maybe even some Catholics) would understand. Miracles during his lifetime do not count towards the miracle for his beatification or canonization. The miracle required must be, as the article said, through his intercession. This means that someone has to pray for JPII to interecede to God for them, and their request has to be granted in a miraculous way, such as being cured of cancer, winning the lotto, etc. (Examples of magnitude of miraculous, not that those requests would be granted, a miracle can of course be something smaller too, but it has to be without a doubt a miracle, and larger miracles are much more apparent.) Hope that cleared it up for you a bit.

Originally Posted by Kryozerkia
While I don't object, I do wonder what acts he had performed that could be considered "true" miracles.

Short Answer: None (at least that would count for sainthood)
Long Answer: Read Above

In what way is JP2 any step closer to sainthood? The review of his life has not yet produced evidence for the required miracle, or did it?

The miracles required aren't from his lifetime, this "review of his life" is to basically show that he lived a very holy life, read my first post if you have time, especially the second part, but I agree that he's not much closer to sainthood (not that he was ever very far away)

The miracles required aren't from his lifetime, this "review of his life" is to basically show that he lived a very holy life, read my first post if you have time, especially the second part, but I agree that he's not much closer to sainthood (not that he was ever very far away)I had thought that one miracle was required during his life and one after his death.

I had thought that one miracle was required during his life and one after his death.

That might be right, I don't really know to much about beatification, I know that the miracle for canonization must be after his death. I'm sure the beatification process would accept a miracle after death, but it may also accept a miracle that occured during his lifetime. The reason canonization requires an after death miracle is that no matter how holy a person was during their life, they always had the chance to turn away from God through mortal sin, so no matter how many miracles they did while alive, it does not effect the canonization process. Since beatification does not technically declare the person to be in Heaven, it may accept miracles during the person's lifetime, but I'm not sure of it, and I've never heard of it happening.