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That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.

I'm having a bad day too. I forgot to buy Pez at the shop.

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.

Thats the winner...

end of thread ;)

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.

Yeah, I guess. I just needed a place to be angry.

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)



In the US of A anything's possible! It's the American Dream!

In the US of A anything's possible! It's the American Dream!



lol.

Every teen probably goes through wishing they could move out phase. Just hang in there until your old enough. Then you can move out and pay all your own way. ;)

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)

I piled on the jobs to get myself out and left in the middle of the night when I was 17.

I actually don't recommend this, since my obsession with distancing myself from my parents took priority over any other advancement which led to me not graduating college until I was 33. There is a lot of nonsense in between points, but a great deal would have been avoided if I wasn't in such a hussle. If you can swing it, or suck it up, I'd advise it. I really couldn't, but I should have found a better way.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Haha, I remember those days...

I learned to accept, and adapt. I waited. Now I laugh at my sister on my visits back home. :)

You'll get over it. At least, you should learn to accept the establishment. Makes the next few years a little easier.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

You're indian, son of indian parents. I dealt with it, am still dealing with it, and I advise you to just suck up your pride and take it, because they'll probably be nice enough to pay for your college education.

You're indian, son of indian parents. I dealt with it, am still dealing with it, and I advise you to just suck up your pride and take it, because they'll probably be nice enough to pay for your college education.

True. My one consolation is that in the future I plan to move across the continent.

I piled on the jobs to get myself out and left in the middle of the night when I was 17.

I actually don't recommend this, since my obsession with distancing myself from my parents took priority over any other advancement which led to me not graduating college until I was 33. There is a lot of nonsense in between points, but a great deal would have been avoided if I wasn't in such a hussle. If you can swing it, or suck it up, I'd advise it. I really couldn't, but I should have found a better way.

It's no problem for me, since my parents are fairly laid back and don't insist on board since i'm not earning much...I have a free ride, basically. Even so, i'd like the privacy and independence that would come from moving out eventually.

But it's just not possible, at least not for several years (particularly since i'm several thousand in debt because of uni fees). It might have been some decades ago, but I think that it's now an unrealistic expectation for people to "move out at 18", at least in this country. I don't know anyone my age who lives away from home that doesn't get some support from their parents...especially for students, it's virtually impossible to pass classes while earning enough to pay rent and eat at the same time.

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)

I never said easily. And I never said alone. There are rooms to let that are less expensive, and if you rent with other people, it's possible.

If you choose to live at home, you choose to have to deal with the people who are feeding you, clothing you, and keeping a roof over your head no matter how annoying they are.

I have students who are sixteen, emancipated, living on their own, have jobs and still succeed at school. I don't recommend it, but there are other choices than complaining about how annoying it is to get your free ride.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

ya know, you have responsibility in your relationship with your parents just as they do.

if you want to get along with them better, BE NICE.

be extraspecial nice to them for a month and see if they dont start to treat you better. its hard for parents to continue to be mean to a kid who is being charming to them

dont be thinking that i am blaming YOU for your parents bad behavior. im just saying that you can help them to change and that its in your best interest to do so.

so stop whining about it and do what you can to make it better.

ya know, you have responsibility in your relationship with your parents just as they do.

if you want to get along with them better, BE NICE.

be extraspecial nice to them for a month and see if they dont start to treat you better. its hard for parents to continue to be mean to a kid who is being charming to them

dont be thinking that i am blaming YOU for your parents bad behavior. im just saying that you can help them to change and that its in your best interest to do so.

so stop whining about it and do what you can to make it better.

Pfff. This advice isn't laced with cynicism or condemnation and might actually make the situation better. You know this is the internet, right?

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

I feel your pain, because I have the exact same thing. Plus a four-year-old SPOILED BRAT FOR A BROTHER! Seriously, he tries to run me over in his toy car. He turns off my XBOX 360 when i'm playing it. He even THROWS THINGS AT ME!

Back on topic, I truly sympathize. For I suffer the same plaque.

No wonder I'M SUICIDAL.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: FUCK YOU ALL

I feel your pain, because I have the exact same thing. Plus a four-year-old SPOILED BRAT FOR A BROTHER! Seriously, he tries to run me over in his toy car. He turns off my XBOX 360 when i'm playing it. He even THROWS THINGS AT ME!

Back on topic, I truly sympathize. For I suffer the same plaque.

No wonder I'M SUICIDAL.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: FUCK YOU ALL

I used to be suicidal. But I got over it. And stop using so many upyours smilies, you look like a n00blet.

Pfff. This advice isn't laced with cynicism or condemnation and might actually make the situation better. You know this is the internet, right?

ohhhgod what was i THINKING?

im so embarrassed now.

I feel your pain, because I have the exact same thing. Plus a four-year-old SPOILED BRAT FOR A BROTHER! Seriously, he tries to run me over in his toy car. He turns off my XBOX 360 when i'm playing it. He even THROWS THINGS AT ME!

Back on topic, I truly sympathize. For I suffer the same plaque.

No wonder I'M SUICIDAL.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: FUCK YOU ALL

talk to your parents about being allowed to use the xbox in your room. teens (assuming) need to have their own space so they dont kill their siblings.

talk to your parents about being allowed to use the xbox in your room. teens (assuming) need to have their own space so they dont kill their siblings.

And remember that he's doing that because he digs you and craves your attention so...


Ah hell, now I'm doing it. Young lady, I really don't think you understand this whole 'anonymity of the net embolding assholery' thing...

It's England for me, after I complete my undergrad (and possibly grad if I can't get into a good physics program overseas).

I want a significant amount of distance between me and the fam.

Who doesn't?

True. My one consolation is that in the future I plan to move across the continent.

It's England for me, after I complete my undergrad (and possibly grad if I can't get into a good physics program overseas).

I want a significant amount of distance between me and the fam.

Pfft! Told you so :)

I feel your pain, because I have the exact same thing. Plus a four-year-old SPOILED BRAT FOR A BROTHER! Seriously, he tries to run me over in his toy car. He turns off my XBOX 360 when i'm playing it. He even THROWS THINGS AT ME!

Back on topic, I truly sympathize. For I suffer the same plaque.

No wonder I'M SUICIDAL.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: FUCK YOU ALL

All this anger over bad dental hygiene??

I used to be suicidal. But I got over it. And stop using so many upyours smilies, you look like a n00blet.

At least I don't use Leet-Speak.

talk to your parents about being allowed to use the xbox in your room. teens (assuming) need to have their own space so they dont kill their siblings.

My parents are too lazy. I tried talking to them to get an air moisturizer in my room 'cuz every morning I wake up with a throat as dry as the Sahara Desert.

talk to your parents about being allowed to use the xbox in your room. teens (assuming) need to have their own space so they dont kill their siblings.

I won't have that high-def widescreen we have in the living room to play on, they won't put it in my room.

And remember that he's doing that because he digs you and craves your attention so...


Ah hell, now I'm doing it. Young lady, I really don't think you understand this whole 'anonymity of the net embolding assholery' thing...

oops i did it again?

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

I set my class schedule so that I have classes in the morning and at night. This way I go to school at about 9 in the morning and get home at around 8 at night. At home I usually just stay in my room. It has worked in keeping myself away from my parents as long as possible, but the long hours in between classes gets dull very fast.

I won't have that high-def widescreen we have in the living room to play on, they won't put it in my room.

oh excuse me im having trouble typing through the tears i am shedding for you.

take your freaking pick. bigass tv and little brother or piece of crap tv in peace.

then stop whining about the world not being set up to please you.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Well I kinda disowned my mother while making breakfast.. She hasn't talked to me since, so I guess it was successful. Still have to live here, though.. :(

oh excuse me im having trouble typing through the tears i am shedding for you.

take your freaking pick. bigass tv and little brother or piece of crap tv in peace.

then stop whining about the world not being set up to please you.

My brother and I share the same room, and he'd probably follow me upstairs.

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Ashmoria, you fiend! Don't you understand how HORRIBLE it is to have xBox 360, AND a huge high def TV, and have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them? The HORROR, the HORROR.

Ashmoria, you fiend! Don't you understand how HORRIBLE it is to have xBox 360, AND a huge high def TV, and have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them? The HORROR, the HORROR.

Quoted for lolz.

oh excuse me im having trouble typing through the tears i am shedding for you.

take your freaking pick. bigass tv and little brother or piece of crap tv in peace.

then stop whining about the world not being set up to please you.
That a girl. I thought we were going to lose you for a second there...;)
Ashmoria, you fiend! Don't you understand how HORRIBLE it is to have xBox 360, AND a huge high def TV, and have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them? The HORROR, the HORROR.
That's one industrious 4 year old to have bought an Xbox and a High Def TV.

Ignore your parents.

Its what I did. When I was about 13 I said I didnt want to go to church anymore. They screamed at me, said I had to. I just stood there looking at them until they stoped, and I moved away without fighting. They didnt bother me again.

I started going out when I was 14, and came home very late. They didnt like it, and complained. I ignored them and kept going out. THey didnt bother me again.

Its all about ignoring your parents. If you do your chores and go reasonable well in school, they wont have real reasons to bother you, unless theyre crazy.

Ashmoria, you fiend! Don't you understand how HORRIBLE it is to have xBox 360, AND a huge high def TV, and have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them? The HORROR, the HORROR.

Absolutely right.

Ashmoria, you fiend! Don't you understand how HORRIBLE it is to have xBox 360, AND a huge high def TV, and have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them? The HORROR, the HORROR.

GOD THAT'S TERRIBLE! :rolleyes:

Having your own place at 18 is hard. I do, but that's because my boyfriend and I split the rent, and my mom pays for my car, then again I work three jobs.

My friend, I've been shipped off to a foreign country where I could conjugate about to verbs (before this year) to go to scholl for a year. Add that to a sadistic sister who hates me, but loves setting me up, the fact that I can't just punch her, and that, since here it is neither exotic nor easy, I now suck at my favorite sport, instead of excell. You aren't alone, and you can't do anything about it till college.

I never said easily. And I never said alone. There are rooms to let that are less expensive, and if you rent with other people, it's possible.

If you choose to live at home, you choose to have to deal with the people who are feeding you, clothing you, and keeping a roof over your head no matter how annoying they are.

I have students who are sixteen, emancipated, living on their own, have jobs and still succeed at school. I don't recommend it, but there are other choices than complaining about how annoying it is to get your free ride.

Yes, naturally. But you must admit, it's difficult to a point where it's virtually unrealistic with the kind of money 18 year olds earn.

Sure, it's technically possible, but it's possible to live in a tent with no access to fresh water or electricity as well. However, I don't think the majority of people would tout that as a viable existence in a western society.

Having your own place at 18 is hard. I do, but that's because my boyfriend and I split the rent, and my mom pays for my car, then again I work three jobs.

Case in point. I'm not sure if I could handle that sort of existence.

For some people, moving out at 18 isn't really much of an option, and it irks me when people continue to expect it as the norm.

That said, i'm not certain that the people complaining in this thread are in exceptionally difficult situations.

Even with 3 jobs and driving a car for free and splitting the rent... I still have to feed my son over myself because I'm on a tight budget. :(

Yes, naturally. But you must admit, it's difficult to a point where it's virtually unrealistic with the kind of money 18 year olds earn.

Sure, it's technically possible, but it's possible to live in a tent with no access to fresh water or electricity as well. However, I don't think the majority of people would tout that as a viable existence in a western society.



Case in point. I'm not sure if I could handle that sort of existence.

For some people, moving out at 18 isn't really much of an option, and it irks me when people continue to expect it as the norm.

That said, i'm not certain that the people complaining in this thread are in exceptionally difficult situations.
Additionally there is a limit to the ability to excuse conditions simply because they are 'free.' I'm not saying that the examples sited have reached that limit, but if I have to endure swift kicks to the ribs every morning and a day long verbal barrage of how I'm the cause of all the household problems and am in fact a blight on society from people I am in some degree legally bound to and socially connected with as 'family,' then disallowing complaint about that situation because it is financially free doesn't really fly. Paying the bills doesn't give someone carte blanche to treat those in their care, especially legally bound people, anyway they want. Limits exist.

Again, I'm not saying that those limits have been reached here or even that that describes my situation, but even an emotionally stifling life for teenagers who don't, despite what they may want to believe, really have an emotional maturity yet can be a serious thing that can't be waved away by simply paying the bills.

And no, before someone gets all huffy, I don't think having the Xbox in the living room is emotionally stifling.

Yes, naturally. But you must admit, it's difficult to a point where it's virtually unrealistic with the kind of money 18 year olds earn.

Sure, it's technically possible, but it's possible to live in a tent with no access to fresh water or electricity as well. However, I don't think the majority of people would tout that as a viable existence in a western society.



Case in point. I'm not sure if I could handle that sort of existence.

For some people, moving out at 18 isn't really much of an option, and it irks me when people continue to expect it as the norm.

That said, i'm not certain that the people complaining in this thread are in exceptionally difficult situations.


it is unreasonable to expect an 18 year old to immediately move out on his own. especially if you want that 18 year old to get a higher education of any sort

but if you have a terrible home life and need to be away from your parents, you do what you have to do as soon as you are old enough to do it. sometimes you find that its the greatest thing ever; sometimes you find that life with the 'rents isnt so bad after all.

Additionally there is a limit to the ability to excuse conditions simply because they are 'free.' I'm not saying that the examples sited have reached that limit, but if I have to endure swift kicks to the ribs every morning and a day long verbal barrage of how I'm the cause of all the household problems and am in fact a blight on society from people I am in some degree legally bound to and socially connected with as 'family,' then disallowing complaint about that situation because it is financially free doesn't really fly. Paying the bills doesn't give someone carte blanche to treat those in their care, especially legally bound people, anyway they want. Limits exist.

Again, I'm not saying that those limits have been reached here or even that that describes my situation, but even an emotionally stifling life for teenagers who don't, despite what they may want to believe, really have an emotional maturity yet can be a serious thing that can't be waved away by simply paying the bills.

And no, before someone gets all huffy, I don't think having the Xbox in the living room is emotionally stifling.

Yes, I agree.

it is unreasonable to expect an 18 year old to immediately move out on his own. especially if you want that 18 year old to get a higher education of any sort

but if you have a terrible home life and need to be away from your parents, you do what you have to do as soon as you are old enough to do it. sometimes you find that its the greatest thing ever; sometimes you find that life with the 'rents isnt so bad after all.

'mm. I'm lucky I don't have to deal with anything like that. My parents are supportive enough that they don't mind me staying here for as long as I like. Anything that comes my way from them in the meantime is well worth dealing with. :P

You're ~13, if I remember rightly, hrm? Everyone hates their parents when they're that age. Your relationship will probably mellow with time.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

if your 13 why the hell would have you have ten more years? You really don't plan on living with your parents until your 23 do you? I mean I was out of the house at 17. You do the same and you have 4 more years to go. Thats nothing. Your parents feed you, put clothes on your back, and keep a roof over your head yeah? Then be thankful and do your time. Theres a lot more kids out there who have it way worse than you.

That a girl. I thought we were going to lose you for a second there...;)

That's one industrious 4 year old to have bought an Xbox and a High Def TV.

Please note the parentheses, and the conjunction. have to deal with OTHER PEOPLE in the house (who bought them) and who share them?

They refer to the two different groups he's complaining about.

if your 13 why the hell would have you have ten more years? You really don't plan on living with your parents until your 23 do you? I mean I was out of the house at 17. You do the same and you have 4 more years to go. Thats nothing. Your parents feed you, put clothes on your back, and keep a roof over your head yeah? Then be thankful and do your time. Theres a lot more kids out there who have it way worse than you.:rolleyes:

Just because you were able to leave at 17 doesn't mean everyone is. My sister who is 26 still lives at my parents house, and I don't see her leaving when she's 36 either.

Oh, the po' chillun, think the po' child, po' po' child!

You po' lil child, think the po' chillun!


Too many teardrops for one heart to be cryin'
Too many teardrops for one heart
To carry on
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry ninety-six tears
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry, now
You're gonna cry cry, cry, cry
Ninety-six tears c'mon and lemme hear you cry, now
Ninety-six tears (whoo!) I wanna hear you cry
Night and day, yeah, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears cry cry cry
C'mon baby, let me hear you cry now, all night long
Uh-ninety-six tears! Yeah! C'mon now
Uh-ninety-six tears!

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Well, you must be only 8 years old if you can't move out for the next 10 years. By that time maybe you will have grown up enough to appriciate what your parents have done and are doing for you. :eek:

I'm having a bad day too. I forgot to buy Pez at the shop.

They still make that stuff in the US or can you only get it in Oz now?

Every teen probably goes through wishing they could move out phase. Just hang in there until your old enough. Then you can move out and pay all your own way. ;)

And wish you were back in the land of milk and honey sucking off the tit. :eek:

They still make that stuff in the US or can you only get it in Oz now?

Well you can get it here easily. I assume they still make it in the US. PEZ @ Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pez)

My parents are too lazy. I tried talking to them to get an air moisturizer in my room 'cuz every morning I wake up with a throat as dry as the Sahara Desert.

You can get a cold air humidifier at the drug store or Walmart for $10.00 to $15.00 US.

And wish you were back in the land of milk and honey sucking off the tit. :eek:

Maybe the whiney little kid should run away from home.

The world needs more drug addicts, sex slaves and janitors :rolleyes:

Having your own place at 18 is hard. I do, but that's because my boyfriend and I split the rent, and my mom pays for my car, then again I work three jobs.

You have a very good mom. :fluffle:

I find many of these comments odd. I came from a poor family and was completely on my own at 17. First of all, there is nothing that says you can't start working and putting money away before you finish high school. There is nothing that says you must have cable tv or even a tv or the newest clothes or any of those things.

Making a few hundred a week is not that difficult for a single, healthy individual and certainly can be lived on if the person is willing to sacrifice a little bit. I also managed to make it to college without any real difficulties covering the cost. Did I have to work hard and a lot? Yes. A lot and very hard. That's what being young and fighting your way into the world is about.

That said, I don't find most of the complaints in this thread to very concerning. Nobody is complaining about abuse or even what appears to be much drama. I wish I considered that my little brother was turning my XBox off to be one of the larger problems I was facing at 13. I take that back. I'm glad it wasn't.

You have a very good mom. :fluffle:Good or generous? Good makes it sound like she's obligated to buy me a $42,000 BMW or something. LOL.

I sure as hell won't be buying my son a BMW for his first car, even if I have the means.

Yes, naturally. But you must admit, it's difficult to a point where it's virtually unrealistic with the kind of money 18 year olds earn.

The 18 year old can get a job where he/she gets free housing, free food, clothes, unlimited sick leave, 30 days vacation a year, tuition assistance, lots of travel to new and exocit places, and a pay check. If you keep the job for 20 years you can receive a nice retirement check and medical care for life. To find out more about these jobs just visit your friendly military recruiter.

I moved out when I was 15, I don't recommend it.

Maybe this summer you can find a job, that way you will be out of the house and have some of your own money? you could mow lawns or something right?

nothing like having a little responsibility to get the parents to give you a break.

also, take a little more responsibility around the house, maybe your parents are all tired and stressed from having to take care of grown up stuff, offer to cook dinner and stuff, it couldn't hurt (unless you burn the house down....that would be bad)

The 18 year old can get a job where he/she gets free housing, free food, clothes, unlimited sick leave, 30 days vacation a year, tuition assistance, lots of travel to new and exocit places, and a pay check. If you keep the job for 20 years you can receive a nice retirement check and medical care for life. To find out more about these jobs just visit your friendly military recruiter.

Qualifications required: must be willing to die for no specific, or just reason. Must be able to commit murder, and kill other human beings.

Get a mohawk, take some drugs, get a tattoo. Generally piss them off. Its been working for a while now.

Qualifications required: must be willing to die for no specific, or just reason. Must be able to commit murder, and kill other human beings.

Someone's understanding of the service falls a bit short of reality. I take it you're not familiar with ALL of the services and jobs, huh?

:rolleyes:

Just because you were able to leave at 17 doesn't mean everyone is. My sister who is 26 still lives at my parents house, and I don't see her leaving when she's 36 either.

sounds like someone needs to get a job.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

i WORK with my parents, every day. in fact, most days i don't see anybody but my parents. and we don't get on all that well in many respects. i like them, love them and respect them, but working together is just horrible.

so you got it easy, bub.

sounds like someone needs to get a job.She has two jobs, two degrees, a GPA of 3.7... and doesn't make enough to live on her own. You make some big assumptions there.

She has two jobs, two degrees, a GPA of 3.7... and doesn't make enough to live on her own. You make some big assumptions there.

Then she is doing something wrong I've never not been able to find a job that could support me in a minimalist way. My brother used to make about 12 grand a year and live on his own. It's not what she might be used to at home, but it's absolutely possible. The assumption s/he makes is that's she capable of scaling back to break out into the world.

Then she is doing something wrong I've never not been able to find a job that could support me in a minimalist way. My brother used to make about 12 grand a year and live on his own. It's not what she might be used to at home, but it's absolutely possible. The assumption s/he makes is that's she capable of scaling back to break out into the world.The cheapest apartment in her area of New York would deplete 70% of her income, then you have car payment, car insurance, together take up 20%, and you're left with 10% of your income for everything else. Impossible, I say.

The cheapest apartment in her area of New York would deplete 70% of her income, then you have car payment, car insurance, together take up 20%, and you're left with 10% of your income for everything else. Impossible, I say.

can she live in another area? public transportation? save up a few months and buy a crappy yet reliable clunker?

I am sorry if I am prying, I just don't understand.

The cheapest apartment in her area of New York would deplete 70% of her income, then you have car payment, car insurance, together take up 20%, and you're left with 10% of your income for everything else. Impossible, I say.

She doesn't have to live in NY. She doesn't have to live in her area. She doesn't have to have a car.

She chooses to live differently, but she's capable of living on her own. She is making a choice.

The cheapest apartment in her area of New York would deplete 70% of her income, then you have car payment, car insurance, together take up 20%, and you're left with 10% of your income for everything else. Impossible, I say.

A car is a luxury.

can she live in another area? public transportation? save up a few months and buy a crappy yet reliable clunker?

I am sorry if I am prying, I just don't understand.Every other area nearby is pretty much the same rent-wise, some are even more expensive because she doesn't live in the most expensive part of New York state to begin with. The public transportation system on Long Island sucks and only goes a select few places, and taxis will get very expensive if her commute is far away (assuming she moved to another town, it's still expensive even from her current place of residence.) She has a car, but that is a part of the problem; the payment and gas is too much on top of a potential rent she'd be paying. She'd be stuck in a worse situation, rather then working to achieve a better situation. Fact is, by staying at mom and dads house, she is able to save which will eventually get her out, by leaving now, in her troublesome financial state, she'll never be able to get out of that situation, because she'll be unable to save anything.

The only reason my parents are helping me out so nicely is because I have a son. The only reason. They refuse to help her because there really is no reason to, but because I am supporting a child, they believe that although I had to leave (I was told to, I didn't do it out of my own free will), that they would help me out.

A car is a luxury.Indeed, but owning the car ends up being cheaper than it would for public transportation because of distance.

A car is a luxury.

I'm 32 and I've had a car payment only for about two years out of my whole life. A car isn't always a luxury in some areas but a car that is expensive enough to require a payment is.

She doesn't have to live in NY. She doesn't have to live in her area. She doesn't have to have a car.

She chooses to live differently, but she's capable of living on her own. She is making a choice.Her job is in New York.

Every other area is the same price-wise.

She is better off in her current situation since it gives her the opportunity to save, rather then what the alternative offers, which is not being able to save.

What it is, apparently, is that some folks feel entitled to luxury items, and cannot concieve of a world where they do without them.

If they are living in New York in a place where 70% of your income is taken up in rent, they must be talking about the city. There is a perfectly good transit system that will take you anywhere you like for $2.00 a pop -- and even express buses come out to less than the constant drain car payments, insurance, maintenance and gas are on the budget.This location I'm talking about is Long Island. The rent out there is equally as ridiculous as the city.

I'm 32 and I've had a car payment only for about two years out of my whole life. A car isn't always a luxury in some areas but a car that is expensive enough to require a payment is.

If they are living in New York in a place where 70% of your income is taken up in rent, they must be talking about the city. There is a perfectly good transit system that will take you anywhere you like for $2.00 a pop -- and even express buses come out to less than the constant drain car payments, insurance, maintenance and gas are on the budget.

This location I'm talking about is Long Island. The rent out there is equally as ridiculous as the city.

Just out of curiosity, what does your sister do?

Her job is in New York.

Every other area is the same price-wise.

She is better off in her current situation since it gives her the opportunity to save, rather then what the alternative offers, which is not being able to save.

BS. I lived in NY. There are plenty of reasonable places to live and a car is not required AT ALL. I didn't even bother with a car out there. It was more trouble than it was worth. See there are these things called, you know, suburbs. They are not all expensive.

BS. I lived in NY. There are plenty of reasonable places to live and a car is not required AT ALL. I didn't even bother with a car out there. It was more trouble than it was worth. See there are these things called, you know, suburbs. They are not all expensive.

Has anyone considered the possibility that she *gasp* enjoys living with her parents?

BS. I lived in NY. There are plenty of reasonable places to live and a car is not required AT ALL. I didn't even bother with a car out there. It was more trouble than it was worth. See there are these things called, you know, suburbs. They are not all expensive.Where in New York did you live? Upstate is cheaper than downstate. Especially Long Island, which is known to be among the most expensive places to live in the United States. Long Island = suburbs. Long Island doesn't however, = cheap.

Just out of curiosity, what does your sister do?She's a secretary at both her jobs. Ones for an insurance agent and the other is, I believe, a doctor's office.

Has anyone considered the possibility that she *gasp* enjoys living with her parents?

Yes. That's why I said she chooses to do it and that it has nothing to do with not having the option to move out.

Where in New York did you live? Upstate is cheaper than downstate. Especially Long Island, which is known to be among the most expensive places to live in the United States. Long Island = suburbs. Long Island doesn't however, = cheap.

Long Island is where I lived and it is expensive. Long Island is not the only place to live. She absolutely can find as clos and much cheaper suburbs. People do it. She chooses not to. As you said, "especially long island". She chooses to live some place VERY expensive. She's not trapped and she's a terrible example for showing that moving out is difficult. Generally, there is no reason a healthy adult cannot capably live on their own.

Long Island is where I lived and it is expensive. Long Island is not the only place to live. She absolutely can find as clos and much cheaper suburbs. People do it. She chooses not to. As you said, "especially long island". She chooses to live some place VERY expensive. She's not trapped and she's a terrible example for showing that moving out is difficult. Generally, there is no reason a healthy adult cannot capably live on their own.Her jobs are on Long Island, and they don't travel when you do. I have seen from my own experience that no matter which part of Long Island it is, the prices are fairly similar rent-wise, and the further she moved would become inconvenient and expensive and would overshadow the cheaper rent (if the rent was significantly cheaper). She is trapped, and I don't really care if you disagree, so I'm going to drop it right here, but also like I said, by living at home, she will eventually be able to move out... just not right now.

The 18 year old can get a job where he/she gets free housing, free food, clothes, unlimited sick leave, 30 days vacation a year, tuition assistance, lots of travel to new and exocit places, and a pay check. If you keep the job for 20 years you can receive a nice retirement check and medical care for life. To find out more about these jobs just visit your friendly military recruiter.

:rolleyes:

Her jobs are on Long Island, and they don't travel when you do. I have seen from my own experience that no matter which part of Long Island it is, the prices are fairly similar rent-wise, and the further she moved would become inconvenient and expensive and would overshadow the cheaper rent (if the rent was significantly cheaper). She is trapped, and I don't really care if you disagree, so I'm going to drop it right here, but also like I said, by living at home, she will eventually be able to move out... just not right now.

It's simply not true. Cars are not required. You say she has one. Living alone is not required. Expensive places are not required. Tell me what city her job is in and what she makes, I'll bet you 20 bucks I could work out a budget including travel. Are we on?

It's simply not true. Cars are not required. You say she has one. Living alone is not required. Expensive places are not required. Tell me what city her job is in and what she makes, I'll bet you 20 bucks I could work out a budget including travel. Are we on?Alright, lets check this shizzle out.

Stony Brook, and $26,000.

Her jobs are on Long Island, and they don't travel when you do. I have seen from my own experience that no matter which part of Long Island it is, the prices are fairly similar rent-wise, and the further she moved would become inconvenient and expensive and would overshadow the cheaper rent (if the rent was significantly cheaper). She is trapped, and I don't really care if you disagree, so I'm going to drop it right here, but also like I said, by living at home, she will eventually be able to move out... just not right now.

Also, she likely chooses to work on LI because that is where your parents live. There are other jobs in other places. Moving out at 18 isn't impossible. If you're healthy it's not even difficult. It's not always the best choice, but that's part of making that decision. But suggesting it's impossible because your sister wants to live and work on LI is silly.

Why move away from your comfort zone? You can't rag on her for wanting to live in a place she's always known and comfortable in.

Alright, lets check this shizzle out.

Stony Brook, and $26,000.

How many hours does she work a week? She's got two jobs and both add up to 26,000?

How many hours does she work a week? She's got two jobs and both add up to 26,000?I don't know the hours, but I'm certain it's $26,000 total from the last time she told me.

Why move away from your comfort zone? You can't rag on her for wanting to live in a place she's always known and comfortable in.

Who's ragging on her? Living with your parents may be what she wants to do and more power to her. However, she IS NOT trapped if she is choosing to live there. She is choosing if it's a comfort thing. That's a fact. Sunny Brook is right off the train. She doesn't need a car. She could live just about anywhere and get to work just fine. Many people travel into the city from there, which is the purpose of the train. The train is cheaper than driving, by a far cry.

Unlimited fare is 76$ for MTA. Perfect. Maintenance, gas and payments has to be over four thousand. We just saved her three grand a year.

I don't know the hours, but I'm certain it's $26,000 total from the last time she told me.

Well, since she's obviously working as hard as she can, since she's trapped, I suppose we can assume she must be exceeding 60 hrs/week.

EDIT: Actually minimum wage in NY is 7.15. That means she could be working 3000 hours a year. Though given that the average secretary doubles minimum wage I doubt she is.

The average wage for an administrative assistant for that county according to the BLS is considerably more than you're saying and that's for people working only forty hours a week. Methinks, perhaps, that you're don't actually realize what it takes to live on your own. It's not easy. Why should it be? But even with what you're reporting it seems like she's not really trying.

Alright, lets check this shizzle out.

Stony Brook, and $26,000.

Here's one for 600 with utilities. It's just the first thing I clicked on and it's in Smith town, along the rail and not far from Steny Brook.

http://www.sublet.com/spider/SupplyDetails.asp?SupplyID=409657&SupplierID=289646&state=NewYork&city=Long+Island&StateCount=More

Okay, so now we're at 7200/year on housing. With public transportation she's spending 8000/year. She's clearly not even working 60 hours a week. So even without working as many hours as possible she could be living on her own in LI with a roommate and have 12 thousand left after taxes approximately for food and entertainment. One thousand a month for food and entertainment. That's nearly 35 bucks a day.

Trapped? I think you don't know.

Who's ragging on her? Living with your parents may be what she wants to do and more power to her. However, she IS NOT trapped if she is choosing to live there. She is choosing if it's a comfort thing. That's a fact. Sunny Brook is right off the train. She doesn't need a car. She could live just about anywhere and get to work just fine. Many people travel into the city from there, which is the purpose of the train. The train is cheaper than driving, by a far cry.

Unlimited fare is 76$ for MTA. Perfect. Maintenance, gas and payments has to be over four thousand. We just saved her three grand a year.When I mean comfort zone, I mean Long Island. You say she could move elsewhere, and it's true, but if Long Island is what she's always known and is comfortable there, you can't knock her for it. It's human nature.

Here's one for 600 with utilities. It's just the first thing I clicked on and it's in Smith town, along the rail and not far from Steny Brook.

http://www.sublet.com/spider/SupplyD...tateCount=More

Okay, so now we're at 7200/year on housing. With public transportation she's spending 8000/year. She's clearly not even working 60 hours a week. So even without working as many hours as possible she could be living on her own in LI with a roommate and have 12 thousand left after taxes approximately for food and entertainment. One thousand a month for food and entertainment. That's nearly 35 bucks a day.

Trapped? I think you don't know.I don't know what you used for tax, but my calculations came to $11/day, and that is barely nothing. It doesn't leave you room to save, or it will take years to even save a single thousand. I don't think she wants to live paycheck-to-paycheck like that, but I also know for fact she doesn't want to live with my parents, but really doesn't see anyway to do that without going broke. It's a hard decision: Live with the parents and save, so you can eventually leave, or leave now and get stuck in a ditch because you can't save because you left too early. Her income really restrains her, she's been searching for better but has come up short so far.

Well, since she's obviously working as hard as she can, since she's trapped, I suppose we can assume she must be exceeding 60 hrs/week.

EDIT: Methinks, perhaps, that you're don't actually realize what it takes to live on your own.Damn edits, lol. Uh, I live on my own, last time I looked. :confused: I'm in a pickle, even with monetary assistance. I was kicked out of my house, unlike my sister.

When I mean comfort zone, I mean Long Island. You say she could move elsewhere, and it's true, but if Long Island is what she's always known and is comfortable there, you can't knock her for it. It's human nature.

I know what you meant. You're describing her choice to live with your parents. She can choose to not be willing to leave LI, but that's her choice. She's not trapped because she choosing to live somewhere hideously expensive. If I grew up in a mansion, that would be my comfort zone, but it doesn't mean I'm trapped living in them.



I don't know what you used for tax, but my calculations came to $11/day, and that is barely nothing. It doesn't leave you room to save, or it will take years to even save a single thousand. I don't think she wants to live paycheck-to-paycheck like that, but I also know for fact she doesn't want to live with my parents, but really doesn't see anyway to do that without going broke. It's a hard decision: Live with the parents and save, so you can eventually leave, or leave now and get stuck in a ditch because you can't save because you left too early. Her income really restrains her, she's been searching for better but has come up short so far.

Pardon? Taxes on 26,000 is more than like around six grand. 8000 for housing and travel leaves 1000 a month. 11 a day is about four thousand. Are you telling me your sister pays more than half her salary in taxes? Absurd. She doesn't even own property.

Damn edits, lol. Uh, I live on my own, last time I looked. :confused: I'm in a pickle, even with monetary assistance. I was kicked out of my house, unlike my sister.

You don't have cable? Internet? A car that is less than five years old and costs more than five grand? A computer? A game system? A television? A stereo? You never drink? Most people who say they're in a pickle actually have tons of luxuries. When I was kid and poor, the only luxuries we had was we went camping. That's it. We didn't have single unnecessary electronic we weren't given by my dad's job and we never owned anything resembling a new car.

There are poor people out there who are struggling to make it but they usually have medical issues or several children or something. It's very difficult as a single, healthy adult, particularly if you're educated, to be truly poor.

Damn edits, lol. Uh, I live on my own, last time I looked. :confused: I'm in a pickle, even with monetary assistance. I was kicked out of my house, unlike my sister.

I actually meant "for her to live on her own". Your sister is not trapped. She's comfortable. There's a difference.

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)

They call it the army.

You don't have cable? Internet? A car that is less than five years old and costs more than five grand? A computer? A game system? A television? A stereo? You never drink? Most people who say they're in a pickle actually have tons of luxuries. When I was kid and poor, the only luxuries we had was we went camping. That's it. We didn't have single unnecessary electronic we weren't given by my dad's job and we never owned anything resembling a new car.

There are poor people out there who are struggling to make it but they usually have medical issues or several children or something. It's very difficult as a single, healthy adult, particularly if you're educated, to be truly poor.

Cable: Boyfriend pays for it.
Internet: Boyfriend pays for it.
Car: Mom pays for it.
Computer: Mom paid for it.
Game system: Mom paid for it.
Television: Mom paid for it.
Stereo: No.
Drink: When someone else pays.

:eek:

I just make enough to break-even with my expenses, and my boyfriend (so lovingly) covers the rest. Wow, I'd be screwed without him.

I actually meant "for her to live on her own". Your sister is not trapped. She's comfortable. There's a difference.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that our definitions of trapped are quite different.

I know what you meant. You're describing her choice to live with your parents. She can choose to not be willing to leave LI, but that's her choice. She's not trapped because she choosing to live somewhere hideously expensive. If I grew up in a mansion, that would be my comfort zone, but it doesn't mean I'm trapped living in them. She'd end up "trapped" if she left now rather than later.





Pardon? Taxes on 26,000 is more than like around six grand. 8000 for housing and travel leaves 1000 a month. 11 a day is about four thousand. Are you telling me your sister pays more than half her salary in taxes? Absurd. She doesn't even own property.Tax on her income is 15% federal, then there's state and local.

She'd end up "trapped" if she left now rather than later.

Trapped means no safe alternatives. She has plenty of safe alternatives. She CHOOSES not to take them. And taking them may not be the best choice for her. That's fine. More power to her. However, what you're describing is a woman who could certainly work more hours, make more money, live in a cheaper area, choose not to own a car, etc. She's making choices. She has two degrees and you've not given any indication of health problems. There is no plausable reason why she would be UNABLE to move out.



Tax on her income is 15% federal, then there's state and local.

So federal is four thousand. According to your numbers state and local must be ten. That's not even remotely close to accurate. Even if state and local add up to federal she'd still have $30/day. That's a small fortune for someone starting out.

Cable: Boyfriend pays for it.
Internet: Boyfriend pays for it.
Car: Mom pays for it.
Computer: Mom paid for it.
Game system: Mom paid for it.
Television: Mom paid for it.
Stereo: No.
Drink: When someone else pays.

:eek:

I just make enough to break-even with my expenses, and my boyfriend (so lovingly) covers the rest. Wow, I'd be screwed without him.

Where does all your money go? When I was in college, I paid for my own car. Paid all my own expenses. Paid for everything myself and still had money to go out with relative frequency. Granted I worked a lot and I made decent money as a watier, but if I hadn't been in college I could worked nearly twice as much.

Again, I know you like living where you live, but these are choices. Healthy adults who are single and have no children are very rarely trapped. No one has ever paid my way since I was 17. I've lost everything I owned several times on business ventures that failed. I have no credit and never have. Never declared bankruptcy. Surviving as a single person is hardly impossible or even implausible.

Trapped means no safe alternatives. She has plenty of safe alternatives. She CHOOSES not to take them. And taking them may not be the best choice for her. That's fine. More power to her. However, what you're describing is a woman who could certainly work more hours, make more money, live in a cheaper area, choose not to own a car, etc. She's making choices. She has two degrees and you've not given any indication of health problems. There is no plausable reason why she would be UNABLE to move out.I forgot to mention she's going to college for her masters, so she can't work more hours... right now. She's working 20-something-ish.

So federal is four thousand. According to your numbers state and local must be ten. That's not even remotely close to accurate. Even if state and local add up to federal she'd still have $30/day. That's a small fortune for someone starting out.$10,000? I wasn't even near that number. I believe I came to $326/mo or something, after food expenses (which you kinda need, to live... hehe.) and... stuff.... I donno, but our calculations don't match lol.

I forgot to mention she's going to college for her masters, so she can't work more hours... right now. She's working 20-something-ish.

Again, she's making choices. She's welcome to do so, but it's hardly difficult to work and go to college. I worked between 40 and 60 hours every week I was in college and much more when I wasn't in class. It means it takes a bit longer to finish college, but again, it's about choices. She's making them. Moving out at 18 is not implausible and the more you speak the more evidence you offer for WHY it's not implausible. Your sister could live on her in college while working 20 hours a week and still have money left over for entertainment.

$10,000? I wasn't even near that number. I believe I came to $326/mo or something, after food expenses (which you kinda need, to live... hehe.) and... stuff.... I donno, but our calculations don't match lol.

I said that food and other incidentals were in the 30 a day. Food needn't cost anything resembling that much. Her food needn't be more than 10/day, but she'd have much more than that. Still 10/day leftover after every other expense is a lot of money. Having ANY money left over after all the necessities says she's not trapped.

Where does all your money go? When I was in college, I paid for my own car. Paid all my own expenses. Paid for everything myself and still had money to go out with relative frequency. Granted I worked a lot and I made decent money as a watier, but if I hadn't been in college I could worked nearly twice as much.

Again, I know you like living where you live, but these are choices. Healthy adults who are single and have no children are very rarely trapped. No one has ever paid my way since I was 17. I've lost everything I owned several times on business ventures that failed. I have no credit and never have. Never declared bankruptcy. Surviving as a single person is hardly impossible or even implausible.I make $24,000 before taxes. It goes to rent ($700/mo.), gas ($280/mo.), and car insurance ($550/mo.). Sometimes I break even, sometimes I'm short (okay, most times), and I have an outstanding debt of $1,300 from college that'll grow to $11,000 when I'm finished.

I moved to NYC because my boyfriend (whom I'm marrying, btw) is here and he offered me the chance, and I took him up on it. Probably not the best idea money-wise, but back on Long Island I'd not have the same monetary-support either way.

Again, she's making choices. She's welcome to do so, but it's hardly difficult to work and go to college. I worked between 40 and 60 hours every week I was in college and much more when I wasn't in class. It means it takes a bit longer to finish college, but again, it's about choices. She's making them. Moving out at 18 is not implausible and the more you speak the more evidence you offer for WHY it's not implausible. Your sister could live on her in college while working 20 hours a week and still have money left over for entertainment.I doubt she wants to go to college for five years just so she could work more often. ;) ;) :p :p



I said that food and other incidentals were in the 30 a day. Food needn't cost anything resembling that much. Her food needn't be more than 10/day, but she'd have much more than that. Still 10/day leftover after every other expense is a lot of money. Having ANY money left over after all the necessities says she's not trapped.Until she breaks her leg and - oh no! - no health insurance.

I make $24,000 before taxes. It goes to rent ($700/mo.), gas ($280/mo.), and car insurance ($550/mo.). Sometimes I break even, sometimes I'm short (okay, most times).

I moved to NYC because my boyfriend (whom I'm marrying, btw) is here and he offered me the chance, and I took him up on it. Probably not the best idea money-wise, but back on Long Island I'd not have the same monetary-support either way.

So you're paying over 800/month for car insurance and gas, a luxury. For mass transit you wouldn't pay that in a year. Like I said, you have luxuries. If you have things you don't need, you're not barely making it. You're choosing to live at the edge of your budget and you're welcome to do so, but you can hardly say you're struggling when you're paying more than half your income after taxes on a luxury.

And according to the numbers you just gave your taxes can't be more than a quarter of your income, a similar income to your sister. Sounds like I nailed your sisters take home almost exactly. You have your sister taking home less than you.

Since you didn't read it the first time.

One thousand a month for food and entertainment. That's nearly 35 bucks a day.

Our numbers are different because you weren't paying attention. After housing costs and transportation your sister would be left with more than 30/day. That's way more than enough for food and entertainment. I don't get much more than that as per diem when I travel there and that's with the expectation of eating out at every meal.

I doubt she wants to go to college for five years just so she could work more often. ;) ;) :p :p

Again, a choice. She could get out there and work full-time and improve her resume or stay at home and go to school. That's a choice. You make a lot of excuses but none of them suggests she doesn't have viable and reasonable choices.


Until she breaks her leg and - oh no! - no health insurance.

Now I know you're full of it. My college included health coverage because I was a full-time student. It's almost unheard of it not to have it.

If she's wasting half what you're wasting a year on a car, she could buy insurance without worry.

So you're paying over 800/month for car insurance and gas, a luxury. For mass transit you wouldn't pay that in a year. Like I said, you have luxuries. If you have things you don't need, you're not barely making it. You're choosing to live at the edge of your budget and you're welcome to do so, but you can hardly say you're struggling when you're paying more than half your income after taxes on a luxury.Trains won't pull up to my parents house. I have a wheelchair, and taxi cabs trunks do not fit it, and the buses on LI aren't handicapped-friendly. Driving is just something I have to do in order to get back and forth to them and my apartment, because the other alternatives (which I have no problem with) don't work.

And according to the numbers you just gave your taxes can't be more than a quarter of your income, a similar income to your sister. Sounds like I nailed your sisters take home almost exactly. You have your sister taking home less than you.I didn't calculate my sisters taxes at 25%, if that's what you're thinking.

Our numbers are different because you weren't paying attention. After housing costs and transportation your sister would be left with more than 30/day. That's way more than enough for food and entertainment. I don't get much more than that as per diem when I travel there and that's with the expectation of eating out at every meal. I acknowledge what your results were vs. mine, but I just believe mine were more accurate. K. :)

Again, a choice. She could get out there and work full-time and improve her resume or stay at home and go to school. That's a choice. You make a lot of excuses but none of them suggests she doesn't have viable and reasonable choices.This is like beating a dead horse. We're not going to come to a conclusion on this. -end-




Now I know you're full of it. My college included health coverage because I was a full-time student. It's almost unheard of it not to have it.

If she's wasting half what you're wasting a year on a car, she could buy insurance without worry.She goes to the same college I do. I'm aware of the health coverage, and it sucks balls.

Health insurance is on average $11,000/year for a single individual, you know that, right?

Trains won't pull up to my parents house. I have a wheelchair, and taxi cabs trunks do not fit it, and the buses on LI aren't handicapped-friendly. Driving is just something I have to do in order to get back and forth to them and my apartment, because the other alternatives (which I have no problem with) don't work.

Perfect example. In nearly every post I added that I was talking about healthy and single people with no children. Yes, being handicapped is more expensive and creates more issues.

I didn't calculate my sisters taxes at 25%, if that's what you're thinking.

I acknowledge what your results were vs. mine, but I just believe mine were more accurate. K. :)

Except. They weren't. She doesn't need insurance. It's part of college costs. She doesn't need a car. Food doesn't cost 20/day. It doesn't. And again that was the first place I found. I promise I could get down another $200/mo if I really treid. Face it, unless your sister is not healthy, she is not trapped. You've virtually proven she isn't.

I calculated her taxes at almost exactly what your taxes work out to. So either your numbers for yourself don't add up or your numbers for her don't add up. I think your numbers for you are more reliable, but correct me if I'm wrong.

To say that your sister is trapped is an insult to all the people who didn't get to wait until they had several degrees before starting their working career. You act as if having a masters isn't a choice. You act as if having a car isn't a choice (for a healthy individual). You act as if living in the most expensive place in America isn't a choice. Long Island is an amazing place to live, but it's hardly a place one lives when they're struggling.

This is like beating a dead horse. We're not going to come to a conclusion on this. -end-




She goes to the same college I do. I'm aware of the health coverage, and it sucks balls.

Health insurance is on average $11,000/year for a single individual, you know that, right?

I know exactly what health coverage costs (by they way, NYC is one of the most expensive places in the country and it's not even half that on average. The average cost for a family of four is about what you're stating). I've been on my own for fifteen years. The health coverage at the college is sufficient. If she chooses to purchase more, that's again a choice. She is not trapped. You're talking about a fairly spoiled lifestyle and acting as if she's got a choice between living at home or living in a box. She has a choice between living at home or living like the vast majority of the country. Most of the country doesn't get to stay in college for ten years while they live with their parents and don't consider making 26,000/year while working 20 hours a wekk struggling. The vast majority of the country would kill to have a job that pays like that, would kill to live in a place like you live and would kill to be able to afford a vehicle that costs what you describe.

It IS beating a dead horse because what you're talking about isn't struggling. It's a fairly spoiled lifestyle.

Except. They weren't. She doesn't need insurance. It's part of college costs. She doesn't need a car. Food doesn't cost 20/day. It doesn't. And again that was the first place I found. I promise I could get down another $200/mo if I really treid. Face it, unless your sister is not healthy, she is not trapped. You've virtually proven she isn't.My calculations didn't include a car or insurance. The only two health problems I know of are asthma and obesity.

I calculated her taxes at almost exactly what your taxes work out to. So either your numbers for yourself don't add up or your numbers for her don't add up. I think your numbers for you are more reliable, but correct me if I'm wrong.Fair enough.

To say that your sister is trapped is an insult to all the people who didn't get to wait until they had several degrees before starting their working career. You act as if having a masters isn't a choice. You act as if having a car isn't a choice (for a healthy individual). You act as if living in the most expensive place in America isn't a choice. Long Island is an amazing place to live, but it's hardly a place one lives when they're struggling.This I'm confused about. I don't understand where you got the the assumption I didn't think it's all a choice. I know it's all a choice... very much so.

I know exactly what health coverage costs. I've been on my own for fifteen years. The health coverage at the college is sufficient. If she chooses to purchase more, that's again a choice. She is not trapped. You're talking about a fairly spoiled lifestyle and acting as if she's got a choice between living at home or living in a box. She has a choice between living at home or living like the vast majority of the country. Most of the country doesn't get to stay in college for ten years while they live with their parents and don't consider making 26,000/year while working 20 hours a wekk struggling. The vast majority of the country would kill to have a job that pays like that, would kill to live in a place like you live and would kill to be able to afford a vehicle that costs what you describe.

It IS beating a dead horse because what you're talking about isn't struggling. It's a fairly spoiled lifestyle.My apartment is less than 400 sq ft. I doubt the "vast majority" of America lives in something this small. I'm willing to bet the "vast majority" live in better conditions than this. The average American earns $45,000, if all they can afford is a 400 sq ft living space, I'm getting the hell out of America.

My calculations didn't include a car or insurance. The only two health problems I know of are asthma and obesity.

Fair enough.

This I'm confused about. I don't understand where you got the the assumption I didn't think it's all a choice. I know it's all a choice... very much so.

You said she's trapped and you suggested that moving out at 18 wasn't a reasonable choice.

By the way, according to USA Today the average cost of health insurance for a family of four is about 11 grand a year. In NYC for a single person it's under four hundred on average. Meanwhile, she doesn't need health insurance. You're talking about another luxury. She already has sufficient coverage.

You said she's trapped and you suggested that moving out at 18 wasn't a reasonable choice.

By the way, according to USA Today the average cost of health insurance for a family of four is about 11 grand a year. In NYC for a single person it's under four hundred on average. Meanwhile, she doesn't need health insurance. You're talking about another luxury. She already has sufficient coverage.My parents pay $24,000 year in health insurance, for a family of five. :confused:

My apartment is less than 400 sq ft. I doubt the "vast majority" of America lives in something this small. I'm willing to bet the "vast majority" live in better conditions than this. The average American earns $45,000, if all they can afford is a 400 sq ft living space, I'm getting the hell out of America.

Again, your numbers are off. 45 is the average HOUSEHOLD income. 400 square foot is what you're paying to live in NYC. You don't have to live there. Again, that's a choice. And, yes, on the average familial income people aren't going to have much space in NYC.

And we're not talking about you. We're talking about your sister who on her income as a student with health insurance living very close to her job and school in one of the nicest areas of the country would be living better than the vast majority of Americans.

I was talking about healthy single adults. According to what you've said, you don't qualify. The average healthy adult is not going to struggle if they're willing to work. Your sister would not be struggling if she lived on her own. She simply wouldn't be living as easily as she does today. None of what you described are the issues of a person without options. She is not trapped in any sense of the word. She could easily move out. She chooses not to.

EDIT: By the way, 20% of Americans have a household income considerably less than your yearly income or the income of your sister working half-time. 20%. Seriously, if you think that making more than 20% of the country's families is struggling, then I think you don't know what struggling means.

Again, your numbers are off. 45 is the average HOUSEHOLD income.The almanac in my hand says differently, but lets not argue about that.

400 square foot is what you're paying to live in NYC. You don't have to live there. Again, that's a choice. And, yes, on the average familial income people aren't going to have much space in NYC.You compared the average Americans living conditions to my own, saying the vast majority would like it. I disputed.

And we're not talking about you. We're talking about your sister who on her income as a student with health insurance living very close to her job and school in one of the nicest areas of the country would be living better than the vast majority of Americans.I feel bad for the vast majority of Americans then, and have seriously underestimated America. I'm out of here when I get the chance, since it's so shit.

I was talking about healthy single adults. According to what you've said, you don't qualify. The average healthy adult is not going to struggle if they're willing to work. Your sister would not be struggling if she lived on her own. She simply wouldn't be living as easily as she does today. None of what you described are the issues of a person without options. She is not trapped in any sense of the word. She could easily move out. She chooses not to.[/QUOTE]Sigh. I said we weren't going to ever agree on this part. I still don't agree, so lets drop it altogether, we've been at it for hours and it's 3:33AM.

My parents pay $24,000 year in health insurance, for a family of five. :confused:

Then they pay nearly double the average. You do know how averages work, yes? They aren't calculated on a one family living in Long Island, NY, in a lifestyle you describe that conveys a relatively luxurious set of expectations. Again, keep in mind that 20% of America's familiys doesn't make what your sister, one person, makes in 20 hours a week.

It really appears you're not making much of an effort to have any concept of how people other than your family lives. 24,000/year for health insurance is more than 20% of American families make in a year by about $5000.

Then they pay nearly double the average. You do know how averages work, yes? They aren't calculated on a one family living in Long Island, NY, in a lifestyle you describe that conveys a relatively luxurious set of expectations. Again, keep in mind that 20% of America's familiys doesn't make what your sister, one person, makes in 20 hours a week.

It really appears you're not making much of an effort to have any concept of how people other than your family lives. 24,000/year for health insurance is more than 20% of American families make in a year by about $5000.I know how the average works. I was merely highlighting how ridiculous the cost of health insurance is in New York compared to the average for said family.

The almanac in my hand says differently, but lets not argue about that.

Hmmm... well, I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS. I think you're misreading it or misreporting it.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/002484.html


You compared the average Americans living conditions to my own, saying the vast majority would like it. I disputed.

I compared it to your sister's as we are discussing your sister. I said they would like the conditions you describe and I was referring to your expectations of your sister. If you were not handicapped, by your own admission, you'd have $10,000/year more and your living conditions would be much better.


I feel bad for the vast majority of Americans then, and have seriously underestimated America. I'm out of here when I get the chance, since it's so shit.

Is it? I wouldn't agree. Many families do quite well with much less. Your numbers are grossly inflated. Healthy insurance doesn't cost what you report. Apartments don't cost what you report. Almost every number you've presented thus far is not accurate according to every source I've provided (you've provided none). Growing up poor isn't as horrible as growing up spoiled and with a sense of entitlement (not talking about you).


Sigh. I said we weren't going to ever agree on this part. I still don't agree, so lets drop it altogether, we've been at it for hours and it's 3:33AM.

We aren't going to agree because your expectations are grossly inflated. You expect a lot out of living alone. You grew up in a family where apparently you think you should expect to live well while studying for ten years after becoming an adult while other people foot the bill. I wouldn't dream of burdening my parents with something I could easily cover myself with a little effort. You describe it as being trapped. Hopefully, your sister realizes that she is not trapped and is a bit more appreciative of the FACT that her parents are supporting her for convenience not necessity.

I know how the average works. I was merely highlighting how ridiculous the cost of health insurance is in New York compared to the average for said family.

I don't believe that's even average for NYC. NYC is the most expensive city in the country for insurance though.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?


I could be so harsh right now .. but I'm not gonna do it .. for my own sake.

If you really want out that bad you will find a way to do so, when the time is right. Where there is a will there is A way. God Speed .. or Good Speed.

Hmmm... well, I'm sorry, but I'm calling BS. I think you're misreading it or misreporting it. I'm not.

I compared it to your sister's as we are discussing your sister. I said they would like the conditions you describe and I was referring to your expectations of your sister. If you were not handicapped, by your own admission, you'd have $10,000/year more and your living conditions would be much better.Whatever. It may be that I'm tired, but I could have sworn you said "your" not "your sister's."


Is it? I wouldn't agree. Many families do quite well with much less. Your numbers are grossly inflated. Healthy insurance doesn't cost what you report. Apartments don't cost what you report. Almost every number you've presented thus far is not accurate according to every source I've provided (you've provided none). Growing up poor isn't as horrible as growing up spoiled and with a sense of entitlement (not talking about you).$11,000 is a figure I read in an article, yes I don't have that article handy, but it's the figure I read for an individual adult. Your source says otherwise, that's not unheard of before. Same with the apartments; from my first hand experience apartment hunting, I was not able to find a $600/mo. apartment on LI for the life of me, the cheapest I found at the time was $1,200, so going from there, I had concluded that apartments could not be had on LI for a semi-affordable price. You proved that to be false, which I accept.




We aren't going to agree because your expectations are grossly inflated. You expect a lot out of living alone. You grew up in a family where apparently you think you should expect to live well while studying for ten years after becoming an adult while other people foot the bill. I wouldn't dream of burdening my parents with something I could easily cover myself with a little effort. You describe it as being trapped. Hopefully, your sister realizes that she is not trapped and is a bit more appreciative of the FACT that her parents are supporting her for convenience not necessity.You don't know how I grew up, and you couldn't be further from the truth; I grew up in a family that told me it was alright to stay at home as long as I wanted as long as I went to college and did something with my life rather than sit around and have everything handed to me. I never expected anyone to foot the bill for anything I wanted. I have always been in dependent person, and it is only after they told me I had to leave that I became dependent on them and my fiancee. Before that everything I had, (my iPod, Xbox, computer, etc) I had bought with my own cash. Now I'm in this situation where I have no choice but to let them help or I'd be in deep shit.

But, back to my sister. I think she's very appreciative that they decided to let her stay and kick me out. I think she's even more appreciative of that now then ever. She certainly doesn't take that for granted.

Good night.

-goes to bed before he falls asleep-

I'm not.

Whatever. It may be that I'm tired, but I could have sworn you said "your" not "your sister's."


$11,000 is a figure I read in an article, yes I don't have that article handy, but it's the figure I read for an individual adult. Your source says otherwise, that's not unheard of before. Same with the apartments; from my first hand experience apartment hunting, I was not able to find a $600/mo. apartment on LI for the life of me, the cheapest I found at the time was $1,200, so going from there, I had concluded that apartments could not be had on LI for a semi-affordable price. You proved that to be false, which I accept.




You don't know how I grew up, and you couldn't be further from the truth; I grew up in a family that told me it was alright to stay at home as long as I wanted as long as I went to college and did something with my life rather than sit around and have everything handed to me. I never expected anyone to foot the bill for anything I wanted. I have always been in dependent person, and it is only after they told me I had to leave that I became dependent on them and my fiancee. Before that everything I had, (my iPod, Xbox, computer, etc) I had bought with my own cash. Now I'm in this situation where I have no choice but to let them help or I'd be in deep shit.

But, back to my sister. I think she's very appreciative that they decided to let her stay and kick me out. I think she's even more appreciative of that now then ever. She certainly doesn't take that for granted.

I'm only going on what you tell me. I don't know your family. I hope your sister is appreciative. She should be. And, like I said, she may very well be doing the best thing for her. The point is and always was that she is hardly trapped and for single healthy adults it is not difficult to live on one's own. I'm sure you're a wonderful person. Your arguments sound a bit like your expectations out of life are a bit higher than the necessities. Good for you. But if you think those expectations ARE necessities then you aren't being realistic. That said, I'm sure you're a wonderful person and there is nothing wrong iwth having high expectations. I just hope you appreciate those things when you get them just as you report your sister does.

Peaceful enough? Good night.

I'm having a bad day too. I forgot to buy Pez at the shop.

I can't pay my rent, not because I don't have the money, but because my landlord is too much of a lazy fuck to turn his computer back on so her can print a receipt for the cash I am attempting to cram down his stupid head!

I can't pay my rent, not because I don't have the money, but because my landlord is too much of a lazy fuck to turn his computer back on so her can print a receipt for the cash I am attempting to cram down his stupid head!

well just as long as you don't get anything filed against you or your credit report for their negligence or a notice .. you are cool.

Where is this magical place you live where 18 year olds can easily earn enough to get a place of their own? I mean, i'm 20, and i'd love to, but it's kinda hard on $150 a week. (up to $300 if I can get the shifts...)
Since I was 15 I have had a job. Since I was 17 I have had at least 2 (never more than 3, unless you count barely profitable small business' of my own). I study at university full time, and tafe 4hrs. I still have 1 day off, and a couple of half days. I still find time to post here, it helps me unwind.

The point is, if you are earning $150 a week, you need another job. Unless you don't want more money more than you want more free time. In either case, the situation is firmly in your control. You are not a victim of circumstance.

I know I sound harsh, but I just can't stand socialist whinging on how impossible it is to make ends meet in our wonderfully prosperous economy. At a minimum wage of $15/hour at your age, $300 is only 20 hours of your week. thats four short shifts or 3 long ones. University is only 15 hours and rarely encompasses more than 3 days. We haven't even looked at night-time. Furthermore, rent in melbourne is not even close to that of sydney. Rightnow, I can rent an inner-sydney 1br/studio apartment from $150-$250/week depending on my standards. If I want to share, slash those figures in half. Bills, including food, should add up to no more than $100/week, if you are opulent in your consumption. melbourne rental would surely be at least $50 cheaper than this, but we won't even factor this in.

For your own apartment, all expenses included, you will need $250 a week. The extra $50 left over will disappear. To share you will need no more than $200 a week. If you want a nice place to yourself in a nice area, you will need $300-$350 a week.

All of this is achievable with a bottom rung, part-time job.

Edit:
http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=402606358&f=0&p=10&t=ren&ty=&fmt=&header=&c=54138676&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1173674159
That is a 1 bedroom apartment in the classiest most expensive suburb of Melbourne (and some years, Australia), Toorak. It is $200 a week.

At a minimum wage of $15/hour at your age, $300 is only 20 hours of your week. thats four short shifts or 3 long ones.

:eek:

I make 7.25$ an hour and am lucky when I get 150 a week :p

:eek:

I make 7.25$ an hour and am lucky when I get 150 a week :p

So you're not working full time. Seems like you're kinding of helping the point that living on one's own is absolutely possible, since you make enough for some areas and don't even work half the time.

I wish I could work full time. :( But physically I'm barely able to do the time I do. Sigh.

So you're not working full time. Seems like you're kinding of helping the point that living on one's own is absolutely possible, since you make enough for some areas and don't even work half the time.

Good finding any job at 18 that will higher for anything over 10$ an hour, and then getmore than 20 hours a week. So get another job and watch what they do when you start asking days off.

Are you in Australia? If so, your rate of pay is horribly illegal. Unless you are perhaps 15 years old. In which case, you probably don't support yourself anyhow.

U.S. :p

Since my dad left it all goes to my mom for bills.

:eek:

I make 7.25$ an hour and am lucky when I get 150 a week :p

Are you in Australia? If so, your rate of pay is horribly illegal. Unless you are perhaps 15 years old. In which case, you probably don't support yourself anyhow.

Good finding any job at 18 that will higher for anything over 10$ an hour, and then getmore than 20 hours a week. So get another job and watch what they do when you start asking days off.
You are 18?! where do you live, and where in the hell do you work. Yo uare getting shortchanged. So much so, I guarantee you they are breaking the law. If you are working for cash, you should realise that you should be asking for more money (seeing as the employer doesn't have to pay tax or super).

What you need to do is find a new job. I guantee you that the bare minimum an 18yo will get anywhere in this country is $10. Rock bottom. If you go to your local restaurant tonight and ask them if you can wash dishes, they will offer you $10 and give $12 if you bargain. Better yet, if you can get a retail job, they'll probably start you on $15.

U.S. :p

Since my dad left it all goes to my mom for bills.

Ok, well i am in Australia, and I am talking Australian dollars. $10 Australian Dollars converts to about what you said ($7-$8). I'm not sure how living expenses compare, however.

Good finding any job at 18 that will higher for anything over 10$ an hour, and then getmore than 20 hours a week. So get another job and watch what they do when you start asking days off.

Are you kidding? I had a job at 8/hour average in the starting in 88 at 14. They were happy to give me almost 20 hours a week even then.

I don't know what kind of job you're looking for, but jobs are out there and full-time jobs tend to pay more, not less. Have you checked restaurants?

She doesn't make much either, and I also have to work on this stupid college thing that eats up most of my week.

Since my dad left it all goes to my mom for bills.

Also, just check that your mother doesn't have a gambling or drug habit, because $150 in addition to her own income should be plenty to cover bills. Not that I am professing an understanding of your circumstances.

Since I was 15 I have had a job. Since I was 17 I have had at least 2 (never more than 3, unless you count barely profitable small business' of my own). I study at university full time, and tafe 4hrs. I still have 1 day off, and a couple of half days. I still find time to post here, it helps me unwind.

The point is, if you are earning $150 a week, you need another job. Unless you don't want more money more than you want more free time. In either case, the situation is firmly in your control. You are not a victim of circumstance.

I know I sound harsh, but I just can't stand socialist whinging on how impossible it is to make ends meet in our wonderfully prosperous economy. At a minimum wage of $15/hour at your age, $300 is only 20 hours of your week. thats four short shifts or 3 long ones. University is only 15 hours and rarely encompasses more than 3 days. We haven't even looked at night-time. Furthermore, rent in melbourne is not even close to that of sydney. Rightnow, I can rent an inner-sydney 1br/studio apartment from $150-$250/week depending on my standards. If I want to share, slash those figures in half. Bills, including food, should add up to no more than $100/week, if you are opulent in your consumption. melbourne rental would surely be at least $50 cheaper than this, but we won't even factor this in.

For your own apartment, all expenses included, you will need $250 a week. The extra $50 left over will disappear. To share you will need no more than $200 a week. If you want a nice place to yourself in a nice area, you will need $300-$350 a week.

All of this is achievable with a bottom rung, part-time job.

Edit:
http://www.realestate.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=402606358&f=0&p=10&t=ren&ty=&fmt=&header=&c=54138676&s=vic&snf=rbs&tm=1173674159
That is a 1 bedroom apartment in the classiest most expensive suburb of Melbourne (and some years, Australia), Toorak. It is $200 a week.

No, see...the problem isn't laziness on my behalf as you seem to imply...frankly, I would love another job and more hours now that i've finished university, but the problem is that I can't find work (believe me...it's not for lack of trying) and my current employer isn't particularly interested in throwing me more than 10 hours a week. (At $14 an hour. I occasionally pick up extra shifts, however. Over the Christmas period it was usually approaching 40 hours.)

It's possible for me to do now if I could find the work. But when I was 18, it was only after the better part of a year looking and tens of interviews that I managed to get this job. I maintain that it's out of the reach of most 18 year olds, especially if they have study requirements.

Okay, i'll be fair...i've heard that there are some full time jobs at a nearby abbatoir going, but i'm not interested since i'd like to think I didn't rack up my HECS debt for nothing. In any case, i'm not under pressure to take it. Guess i'm spoilt, eh?

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?
You are 8?
LOL!

My mom totally took my credit card off of me today. She is lyke such a fat cow.

My mom totally took my credit card off of me today. She is lyke such a fat cow.

And she only lets me use my cell phone to call people in my network even though she knows that Jenny told Kelly that Eric is asking Steve about me.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Left home when I graduated from high school. Paid for college myself.

Fuck em.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Cheer up, emo kid.

Cheer up, emo kid.

He'll understand in about 20 years.

You are 8?
LOL!

No. 13.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6434327.stm

:)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6434327.stm

:)

Somehow I'm not suprised.

Fake/Develop mental illness severe enough to land in hospital is an option... Not one, I would recommed, but an option nontheless.

No. 13.

Wow, you're in for a long haul then.

Okay, i'll be fair...i've heard that there are some full time jobs at a nearby abbatoir going, but i'm not interested since i'd like to think I didn't rack up my HECS debt for nothing. In any case, i'm not under pressure to take it. Guess i'm spoilt, eh?
No no, not spoilt. Just a victim of your own choices. Hardly one of circumstance. Not that that is a bad thing. If you have got a good deal at home, and it is better than having your own place at the price of working at an abbatoir, then you have made a reasonable choice. However, it is a choice, and you made it.

Wow, you're in for a long haul then.
Obviously they should be emancipated.

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Ten more years? You mean you're only 8 years old? I didn't know NSG allowed people under 18.

No. 13.

Oh, so you're 13? Then don't you mean FIVE years rather then 10?:p

For I suffer the same plaque.

No wonder I'M SUICIDAL.

:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: FUCK YOU ALL

You suffer the same PLAQUE? Why don't you just brush your teeth?!
:p lol jk

$11,000 is a figure I read in an article, yes I don't have that article handy, but it's the figure I read for an individual adult. Your source says otherwise, that's not unheard of before.

I just got health insurance, dental and vision for under two grand a year (just under) as a 32-year-old of average weight and decent health. Non-smoker. No hospital stays in five years. And I travel so they basically calculate it like I could live anywhere. And I work for myself so it's the total. 11,000 can't even be close.

Good finding any job at 18 that will higher for anything over 10$ an hour, and then getmore than 20 hours a week. So get another job and watch what they do when you start asking days off.

Hm, that's strange. I'm 18, I've made $10 an hour, and I used to (before I quit) put 50 hours in every week. I was making about $800 every two weeks. That's about $1600 a month. Now, no, I don't live on my own, but that's not because I can't afford to or it isn't convenient. It's because I just quit my job to start up my own business. So quit yer bitchin', teenyboppers. :p

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

Know what you mean. Solution? Play HALO, and just picture every grunt with their faces. Tip: use a diffused energy sword and punch the fucking shit out of them. Have fun :)

Hm, that's strange. I'm 18, I've made $10 an hour, and I used to (before I quit) put 50 hours in every week. I was making about $800 every two weeks. That's about $1600 a month. Now, no, I don't live on my own, but that's not because I can't afford to or it isn't convenient. It's because I just quit my job to start up my own business. So quit yer bitchin', teenyboppers. :p

College is expensive and time consuming. Luckily I make 12 dollars an hour in the summer under the table :D

I just got health insurance, dental and vision for under two grand a year (just under) as a 32-year-old of average weight and decent health. Non-smoker. No hospital stays in five years. And I travel so they basically calculate it like I could live anywhere. And I work for myself so it's the total. 11,000 can't even be close.The glorious thing about the internet is... anyone could lie about anything, and the person they're lying to could have no basis to belief/disbelief that person. I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm just saying. You got lucky if you got below the national average that much. Bravo.

The glorious thing about the internet is... anyone could lie about anything, and the person they're lying to could have no basis to belief/disbelief that person. I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm just saying. You got lucky if you got below the national average that much. Bravo.

I'm a single guy. The national average is 11,000 for a family of four. I've shown you the links. You've said your sources are sitting in front of you. Do you have a healthy friend who doesn't smoke and is of average weight? Care to place a personal wager on what I could get him or her insurance for?

You're grossly wrong on your claims about averages. You claimed the familial average for income was the personal average. I showed you that you were doing it. You claimed the familial average for insurance was the personal average. I showed you that you were doing it. You claimed that the average apartement in LI cost grossly more than it does. I showed you that you were doing it. I did all of this with links. Of which you've provided NONE. And now you imply that I'm probably not telling the truth.

Look, accept that you're wrong. I'm not lucky. The apartment I found was the very first link I followed on a search of that area. That's not luck. That means if you looked you would have found it. The average I found for you on salary was the census, the most logical place to look, and it denied your spurious claim. That's not luck. If you'd looked you'd have found it. The average insurance cost I found for you was in the first link that popped up on a search. That's not luck. You aren't even trying.

Now, how about that wager? Want me to make you look silly again?

Here's the quote -
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/jocabia/BCBSQuote.jpg

Well, there seems to be a lot of asshattery going on in this thread. Anyways, if you don't want to listen to fools who are suggesting that you cripple your future for your emotional satisfaction now, then here's my suggestion:

Use them.

No, I'm serious. Use your parents. Act towards them as if they're a resource being depleted rather than family. Take advantage of them like a fat kid takes advantage of cake. If they're gonna buy you a car? Let them. If they're gonna send you to university, and pay for everything? Let them. If they want you to do something? Do it to exactly the specifications that they ask for and not one little bit more.

Use them to get ahead, and turn a cold eye upon them when you finish if you still feel the way you do when you're able to live comfortably on your own.

One of two things will happen at that point: either you'll feel like a jackass and try to reconcile with them (if they even realize that your relationship is damaged), or you'll find that it didn't bother you.

Personally, I'm sitting somewhere between the two, and I'm more than happy to turn up my nose at responses in this thread from Kat and Jocabia - they're presenting the worst case scenario as if it's actually some kind of viable option if you don't want to simply continue the 'failure at life' trend.

Anyone who doesn't milk their parents for all they're worth until they are at least 20 is foolish. The counterpart to that, though, is that if you don't voluntarily choose to attempt to replace what you've taken when you're actually financially stable, you're cold.

Well, there seems to be a lot of asshattery going on in this thread. Anyways, if you don't want to listen to fools who are suggesting that you cripple your future for your emotional satisfaction now, then here's my suggestion:

Use them.

No, I'm serious. Use your parents. Act towards them as if they're a resource being depleted rather than family. Take advantage of them like a fat kid takes advantage of cake. If they're gonna buy you a car? Let them. If they're gonna send you to university, and pay for everything? Let them. If they want you to do something? Do it to exactly the specifications that they ask for and not one little bit more.

Use them to get ahead, and turn a cold eye upon them when you finish if you still feel the way you do when you're able to live comfortably on your own.

One of two things will happen at that point: either you'll feel like a jackass and try to reconcile with them (if they even realize that your relationship is damaged), or you'll find that it didn't bother you.

Personally, I'm sitting somewhere between the two, and I'm more than happy to turn up my nose at responses in this thread from Kat and Jocabia - they're presenting the worst case scenario as if it's actually some kind of viable option if you don't want to simply continue the 'failure at life' trend.

Anyone who doesn't milk their parents for all they're worth until they are at least 20 is foolish. The counterpart to that, though, is that if you don't voluntarily choose to attempt to replace what you've taken when you're actually financially stable, you're cold.

BS. I and most of my friends moved out at 17 and are extremely successful. If you think taking advantage of people is the only way to get ahead in life then you have a sad life.

Moving out on your own and still going to college is not only not impossible but it's not even improbable. Student loans suck, but if you behave responsibly paying them back is not that difficult. Or he's 13, if things are that bad, he could work his ass of at school and get scholarships. There are almost as many reasons they give out scholarships as there are people.

You're suggesting a lazy and weak solution. That he behave ridiculously towards his parents and he's 13 years old. Your solution is irresponsible at best. It'll teach him nothing about life other than how to be a pretty cold person.

Being responsible is only the worst case scenario if you don't believe in behaving like an adult. Meanwhile, you'll notice that I never suggeted that he had to move out on his own. Sometimes allowing your parents to pay for college and whatnot is the best solution. However, that should be an honest solution. And if living with your parents is actually a problem (in this case I suspect it's just a 13-year-old being a 13-year-old) then moving out is just a bit more difficult. It's absolutely a viable option and one that doesn't prevent success in any way shape or form. It means you can't sleep till noon. It means you can't spend your parents' money till your 20. But it certainly doesn't means that you can't got to college or trade school or contribute to the world in some meaningful and satisfying way.

BS. I and most of my friends moved out at 17 and are extremely successful. If you think taking advantage of people is the only way to get ahead in life then you have a sad life.

Moving out on your own and still going to college is not only not impossible but it's not even improbable. Student loans suck, but if you behave responsibly paying them back is not that difficult. Or he's 13, if things are that bad, he could work his ass of at school and get scholarships. There are almost as many reasons they give out scholarships as there are people.

You're suggesting a lazy and weak solution. That he behave ridiculously towards his parents and he's 13 years old. Your solution is irresponsible at best. It'll teach him nothing about life other than how to be a pretty cold person.

Being responsible is only the worst case scenario if you don't believe in behaving like an adult. Meanwhile, you'll notice that I never suggeted that he had to move out on his own. Sometimes allowing your parents to pay for college and whatnot is the best solution. However, that should be an honest solution. And if living with your parents is actually a problem (in this case I suspect it's just a 13-year-old being a 13-year-old) then moving out is just a bit more difficult. It's absolutely a viable option and one that doesn't prevent success in any way shape or form. It means you can't sleep till noon. It means you can't spend your parents' money till your 20. But it certainly doesn't means that you can't got to college or trade school or contribute to the world in some meaningful and satisfying way.

I think you really hit the nail on the head here. I absolutely love it when job threads come up, because it really gives you (or me at least) a different perspective on things. See, I've never heard any of this stuff...I've never had friends come up to me and complain about not being able to move out, or not being able to find a decent paying job. Those are myths perpetrated by the lazy. The unwilling. The unmotivated. For all the intellectuality that the Generalites boast, these threads really give you an idea of where they're lacking.

I guess I have a hard time sympathizing because I don't go to college. I don't have to pay tuition and buy books while trying to live on my own. Even so, at 18-years-old, college or no college, you should be able to find a decent paying job just fine. It's all about motivation and work ethic. If you don't have either, college or no college, you're going to flop. And that's all it boils down to.

I'm a single guy. The national average is 11,000 for a family of four. I've shown you the links. You've said your sources are sitting in front of you. Do you have a healthy friend who doesn't smoke and is of average weight? Care to place a personal wager on what I could get him or her insurance for?

You're grossly wrong on your claims about averages. You claimed the familial average for income was the personal average. I showed you that you were doing it. You claimed the familial average for insurance was the personal average. I showed you that you were doing it. You claimed that the average apartement in LI cost grossly more than it does. I showed you that you were doing it. I did all of this with links. Of which you've provided NONE. And now you imply that I'm probably not telling the truth.

Look, accept that you're wrong. I'm not lucky. The apartment I found was the very first link I followed on a search of that area. That's not luck. That means if you looked you would have found it. The average I found for you on salary was the census, the most logical place to look, and it denied your spurious claim. That's not luck. If you'd looked you'd have found it. The average insurance cost I found for you was in the first link that popped up on a search. That's not luck. You aren't even trying.

Now, how about that wager? Want me to make you look silly again?

Here's the quote -
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k144/jocabia/BCBSQuote.jpgOK.

I'm just not going to listen to what you say anymore, because it's all bull. K? Good. Glad we understand.

I think you really hit the nail on the head here. I absolutely love it when job threads come up, because it really gives you (or me at least) a different perspective on things. See, I've never heard any of this stuff...I've never had friends come up to me and complain about not being able to move out, or not being able to find a decent paying job. Those are myths perpetrated by the lazy. The unwilling. The unmotivated. For all the intellectuality that the Generalites boast, these threads really give you an idea of where they're lacking.

I guess I have a hard time sympathizing because I don't go to college. I don't have to pay tuition and buy books while trying to live on my own. Even so, at 18-years-old, college or no college, you should be able to find a decent paying job just fine. It's all about motivation and work ethic. If you don't have either, college or no college, you're going to flop. And that's all it boils down to.

Colleges are not the only options. There are trade schools. My best friend in high school never went to college. Among my friends he was the first to buy a house, the first to have children, the first to get married and he's very happy. College is not the only option. Living with your parents is not the only option. There are tons of optoins. These people act there is only one if you wish to be successful. It denies reality.

That's weird. I congratulated you on your lovely insurance and not once said it was untrue.

-leaves thread-

OK.

I'm just not going to listen to what you say anymore, because it's all bull. K? Good. Glad we understand.

It's all bull? I provided you with the quote. Close your eyes and claim its dark, but this is reality. You suggest I'm lying while you make unsupported claims and I provide you with links to prove everything I say. You'd be amusing if you were joking.

You claimed I was making an internet claim about the insurance quote. I provided you with the document that shows what I was quoted. Your conclusion "it's all bull". Is it possible that you're worried about your imaginary world that you've concocted being exposed as just that?

OK.

I'm just not going to listen to what you say anymore, because it's all bull. K? Good. Glad we understand.

just because it's possible to do something doesn't mean you have to. it's possible for hubby to pull down a half million a year, but he chooses not to, because it would mean that he couldn't spend as much time with the kids as he does, and we couldn't live where we wanted to, and I wouldn't be able to homeschool. We all make sacrifices, I have to plan everything down to the penny to live how we do, but it's something I am willing to do. If your sister doesn't want to make the sacrifices needed to live on her own that's one thing, to say it's impossible that's quite another.

That's weird. I congratulated you on your lovely insurance and not once said it was untrue.

-leaves thread-

Really? Let's see.

The glorious thing about the internet is... anyone could lie about anything, and the person they're lying to could have no basis to belief/disbelief that person. I'm not saying you're lying, but I'm just saying. You got lucky if you got below the national average that much. Bravo.

IF I got the insurance. Anyone can lie about anything.

Who do you think you're fooling? Meanwhile, I'd place a wager you read this post too. You didn't leave the thread. You just don't want to defend you're entirely made up position. Tell you what, why don't you provide the first link that supports you're claims? Because so far all we have is you sticking your fingers in your ears and crying "lalalala". This is the world and it has nothing to do with your claims.

just because it's possible to do something doesn't mean you have to. it's possible for hubby to pull down a half million a year, but he chooses not to, because it would mean that he couldn't spend as much time with the kids as he does, and we couldn't live where we wanted to, and I wouldn't be able to homeschool. We all make sacrifices, I have to plan everything down to the penny to live how we do, but it's something I am willing to do. If your sister doesn't want to make the sacrifices needed to live on her own that's one thing, to say it's impossible that's quite another.

What annoys me about all of the claims in this thread is it makes it seem like all of the people who went out into the world and worked their behinds off are just lucky. It gives them no credit as people who saw the possibilities in the world and went and made it.

It's all a series of choices. I applaud your choice. It's not the only choice. If living at home till you're 26 is the best choice for someone good for them. My brother sometimes suggests I'm lucky because I'm as successful as I am. I tell him has an odd way of measuring success. He has a wonderful family and does well for himself. I traded those things for commercial success. They're choices. I often think he made the better choice.

Whatever makes you happy. I'm happy. He's happy. You should be happy. ;-)

This thread is dead. This is the end. Now thank you, and gerrada here.

What annoys me about all of the claims in this thread is it makes it seem like all of the people who went out into the world and worked their behinds off are just lucky. It gives them no credit as people who saw the possibilities in the world and went and made it.
I think we have to realize that all of us make sacrifices, I sacrificed the comfort of a home and a bed when I left home at 15, I ended up homeless, living in a restaurant stock room until I could get enough money to buy a car to live in. If I would have stayed home I would have been sacrificing my sanity to have nice things (when nice things at home meant that we didn't really have to worry about the cops making us leave.....since we didn't really have utilities anyway.)

I sacrifice some of the luxuries in life to live how I am choosing to now, we have one car, I let hubby use it most of the time since he works far away from home, we don't have digital cable, we don't have Ipods, we don't go on vacation, we don't eat steak every night, and he doesn't get a Starbucks coffee at work every afternoon like his friends do. We still have a lot of things most people don't. We live alone, we don't have to answer to other people, we live debt free, we don't deal with bill collectors, we do what we want when we want, for example hubby took of Friday because I needed a break, most people can't do that, just take off work for no reason (well, my reason, not his).

In a few months we will sacrifice more, I will give up alto of stuff and we probably won't go out as much, the kids and I won't get to buy as many books, and I won't get to do as many things that I want because we are going to live in the house I want. Everyone makes choices, and most of the time they aren't the exact same choices someone else would make if they were in our position. In fact I am sure (because I hear it all the time) that if my mom were in my position, she would make hubby work more, quit school, send the kids to public school and she would lay around the house and hire a maid. She doesn't understand why we live with so little money (less than 40% of our paycheck) and why the family comes first....because she thinks that money is king, and that I am depriving the kids by staying home and letting them explore the world instead of being shoved in a class with kids the same age staring at a chalkboard.....[/incoherent rant]

sorry, just got in an argument with mom......please disregard. LOL

I think we have to realize that all of us make sacrifices, I sacrificed the comfort of a home and a bed when I left home at 15, I ended up homeless, living in a restaurant stock room until I could get enough money to buy a car to live in. If I would have stayed home I would have been sacrificing my sanity to have nice things (when nice things at home meant that we didn't really have to worry about the cops making us leave.....since we didn't really have utilities anyway.)

I sacrifice some of the luxuries in life to live how I am choosing to now, we have one car, I let hubby use it most of the time since he works far away from home, we don't have digital cable, we don't have Ipods, we don't go on vacation, we don't eat steak every night, and he doesn't get a Starbucks coffee at work every afternoon like his friends do. We still have a lot of things most people don't. We live alone, we don't have to answer to other people, we live debt free, we don't deal with bill collectors, we do what we want when we want, for example hubby took of Friday because I needed a break, most people can't do that, just take off work for no reason (well, my reason, not his).

In a few months we will sacrifice more, I will give up alto of stuff and we probably won't go out as much, the kids and I won't get to buy as many books, and I won't get to do as many things that I want because we are going to live in the house I want. Everyone makes choices, and most of the time they aren't the exact same choices someone else would make if they were in our position. In fact I am sure (because I hear it all the time) that if my mom were in my position, she would make hubby work more, quit school, send the kids to public school and she would lay around the house and hire a maid. She doesn't understand why we live with so little money (less than 40% of our paycheck) and why the family comes first....because she thinks that money is king, and that I am depriving the kids by staying home and letting them explore the world instead of being shoved in a class with kids the same age staring at a chalkboard.....[/incoherent rant]

sorry, just got in an argument with mom......please disregard. LOL

No, that's really the point. A moment ago, Lydania suggested we are presenting the worst case scenario by asking people to make choices, and stand by them instead of pretending like there are no choices. You don't have to have children at 18. You don't have to go to college. You don't have to live at home till you're 30. You don't have to leave home when you're 18. You don't have to join the military. You don't have to get married. We choose these things and others. And to pretend like the average person in America is trapped is ludicrous. We decide what is important to us and we make choices supporting that.

Lydania would choose to coldly mistreat her parents. I would choose to behave in a more humane manner with an open and honest relationship with my parents. You would choose to just move on and make it work. These are choices.

Incidentally, I was also homeless at 15 after I was kicked out after I stopped my father from punching me. Didn't hit him back, just blocked a punch. I was permitted to return when I apologized two weeks later. That was a choice. I'm not sorry I made it. I could have made other choices, but at the time it was the best choice. As a result, I have a wonderful relationship with my father, actually, and on top of that, I finished high school and made something of myself.

EDIT: How much you wanna bet that Maraque read this post too?

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.

Actually, I have a better idea. Do good in school, get a full scholarship to an out-of-state university, get a good job and never look back.

I had the same (or at least very similar) struggles with home/parents, and ultimately left home at 18 and never looked back.

You can't move out now, but you *can* begin the work of preparing yourself for independence, so you'll be ready when you can go.

Try to build as much practical experience as possible so you can earn a living -- this foundation is much easier to build when you have someone else covering your expenses! Computer skills, office skills, soft skills such as coming to work regularly, building a list of work references in the form of employers and/or people you volunteered for on a steady basis -- these are the keys to your future independence.

Even if you can only volunteer at the library, or for a non-profit or a church -- you can build up a reference which will open the door to your next opportunity, which might be a paying part time job after school or during summer.

Don't stew over problems -- look for the path to the solution -- and you'll feel better knowing you are making constructive progress to solve the issue.

Suck it up until you're 18, get a job and move out.What? Why? They're legally obliged to look after him. I say give them hell and let them soak it up. :)

I sacrifice some of the luxuries in life to live how I am choosing to now, we have one car, I let hubby use it most of the time since he works far away from home, we don't have digital cable, we don't have Ipods, we don't go on vacation, we don't eat steak every night, and he doesn't get a Starbucks coffee at work every afternoon like his friends do. We still have a lot of things most people don't. We live alone, we don't have to answer to other people, we live debt free, we don't deal with bill collectors, we do what we want when we want, for example hubby took of Friday because I needed a break, most people can't do that, just take off work for no reason (well, my reason, not his).Wow, we have such different expectations of life. You say you have one car. I'm sat here thinking - 'Only one?! Oh woe is you and your poverty stricken life'. And then you say you don't go on vacation and my eyes pop out of my head in surprise. Do you not even go on like two-week summer camping trips?

Wow, we have such different expectations of life. You say you have one car. I'm sat here thinking - 'Only one?! Oh woe is you and your poverty stricken life'. And then you say you don't go on vacation and my eyes pop out of my head in surprise. Do you not even go on like two-week summer camping trips?

I thought they had, like, laptops and crap...

This thread is dead. This is the end. Now thank you, and gerrada here.

That is not for you to say.

Wow, we have such different expectations of life. You say you have one car. I'm sat here thinking - 'Only one?! Oh woe is you and your poverty stricken life'. And then you say you don't go on vacation and my eyes pop out of my head in surprise. Do you not even go on like two-week summer camping trips?
I have been in poverty before, not by choice, I had no running water, no electricity, no heat, and little food. I have been homeless before, I am not by any stretch poverty stricken now. I know that. I am happy about it.

Most of the people I know have more than one car, go on cruises, live in nicer neighborhoods, buy new clothes, go out to eat every meal, and spend a few thousand dollars buying crap for their kids for Christmas and Birthdays. I don't do it. The amount of money we actually spend puts us 10% over the poverty level, that's the amount of money we live on. We choose to save the rest. We choose not to have many of the things we could afford, and we choose not to live in debt like most of the other people we know. We live in a small house, we have few clothes, our car is over 12 years old and I fix it myself. Our dog is a mutt, and most of the kid's toys are homemade. I choose to do this because I think there are more important things in life to do with my money than spend it on crap.

I thought they had, like, laptops and crap...

all of our computers with the exception of the new desktop I bought for work and the new laptop hubby has for his work have been pieced together from what I could get for free. I bought my new desktop which is actually a refurbished computer with money that I made selling vegetables out of my garden.

I don't have any problem working for extras.

That is not for you to say.

I made it. I can kill it.

all of our computers with the exception of the new desktop I bought for work and the new laptop hubby has for his work have been pieced together from what I could get for free. I bought my new desktop which is actually a refurbished computer with money that I made selling vegetables out of my garden.

I don't have any problem working for extras.

Ah, I see.


Hey, wait, what's wrong with mutts?

I made it. I can kill it.

Pff, I bet that's what Frankenstein thought.

Hey, wait, what's wrong with mutts?
nothing, however nearly everyone I know has pure breeds and they brag about them, and how they spent a few thousand on them, and they ask "where did you buy your dog?" and I say "he showed up on my porch and wouldn't leave" and they look at me like they are sickened. :(

I made it. I can kill it.

Then request a lock.

I choose to do this because I think there are more important things in life to do with my money than spend it on crap.

i agree with you, but if you aren't spending it on crap and you don't go out a lot what do you spend it on then?

personally i don't buy 'crap' like ipods and new clothes, but that is because i prefer to spend it on things like going out, music, festivals and generaly not having to think about money when i want something small.

Pff, I bet that's what Frankenstein thought.

That book sucked a fat Gatsby.

i agree with you, but if you aren't spending it on crap and you don't go out a lot what do you spend it on then?
food, water, electricity, laundry soap, dog food, gas....

food, water, electricity, laundry soap, dog food, gas....

oh i thought you were saving for something special.

spammity

oh i thought you were saving for something special.

Disney World!

oh i thought you were saving for something special.

saving to be saving. we have a lot of money sitting around earning more money. if he gets sick, or looses his job, or we all get sick, or something happens, or hopefully we are all well and we can just retire one day.

I have been in poverty before, not by choice, I had no running water, no electricity, no heat, and little food. I have been homeless before, I am not by any stretch poverty stricken now. I know that. I am happy about it.

Most of the people I know have more than one car, go on cruises, live in nicer neighborhoods, buy new clothes, go out to eat every meal, and spend a few thousand dollars buying crap for their kids for Christmas and Birthdays. I don't do it. The amount of money we actually spend puts us 10% over the poverty level, that's the amount of money we live on. We choose to save the rest. We choose not to have many of the things we could afford, and we choose not to live in debt like most of the other people we know. We live in a small house, we have few clothes, our car is over 12 years old and I fix it myself. Our dog is a mutt, and most of the kid's toys are homemade. I choose to do this because I think there are more important things in life to do with my money than spend it on crap.I guess poverty is all relative. I don't own a car, I don't go on cruises, I live in what I would consider a nice neighbourhood (but perhaps others wouldn't), I don't buy new clothes often, hardly ever eat out, and spend small amounts on Xmas and birthdays... yet for all that I wouldn't consider myself living in poverty.

Hell, I've lived in conditions where there was no running water except for stand pipe in the street and toilet paper consisted of used maths copy book. Yet, at the time I wouldn't have considered that poverty. It's just life, and I was pretty happy with it. And it's always seemed to me that you're fairly happy with your life.

I guess poverty is all relative. I don't own a car, I don't go on cruises, I live in what I would consider a nice neighbourhood (but perhaps others wouldn't), I don't buy new clothes often, hardly ever eat out, and spend small amounts on Xmas and birthdays... yet for all that I wouldn't consider myself living in poverty.
I never said I live in poverty, I said that with the amount of money we actually spend we are living just over what the federal government in my country considers the poverty line for a family my size. Even in America poor is rich somewhere else.

Hell, I've lived in conditions where there was no running water except for stand pipe in the street and toilet paper consisted of used maths copy book. Yet, at the time I wouldn't have considered that poverty. It's just life, and I was pretty happy with it. And it's always seemed to me that you're fairly happy with your life.
I am quite happy, because I stand behind the choices I make. My point was that we all make choices and that my life could be very different if I wanted it to.

I never said I live in poverty, I said that with the amount of money we actually spend we are living just over what the federal government in my country considers the poverty line for a family my size. Even in America poor is rich somewhere else.Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that you did. I phrased what I was trying to say badly. I was just trying to illustrate how different people view different levels of material wealth. I think I failed.I am quite happy, because I stand behind the choices I make. My point was that we all make choices and that my life could be very different if I wanted it to.Always the way. If you can't be confident about the choices you make then how can you be happy with life that depends on such choices - 'grass is always greener on the other side'.

I'm saving this thread by bringing it back to the subject!

A 13 year old has had enough of his parents...

Let it die.

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that you did. I phrased what I was trying to say badly. I was just trying to illustrate how different people view different levels of material wealth. I think I failed.Always the way. If you can't be confident about the choices you make then how can you be happy with life that depends on such choices - 'grass is always greener on the other side'.

I was at a lecture recently and the lady said "if you own a book and can read it, you are considered rich by most standards in the world" which is actually true, first to be rich enough to be literate, then to have enough money to purchase a book and the leisure time in which to read it.....it's hard to imagine that even when I was living on the street, I was richer than most in the world.

I was at a lecture recently and the lady said "if you own a book and can read it, you are considered rich by most standards in the world" which is actually true, first to be rich enough to be literate, then to have enough money to purchase a book and the leisure time in which to read it.....it's hard to imagine that even when I was living on the street, I was richer than most in the world.I've lived with people who were living off $2/day (half the world lives off $2/day or less). Yet they had access to books and could read them (yay soviet education system, at least they got something right).

I've lived with people who were living off $2/day (half the world lives off $2/day or less). Yet they had access to books and could read them (yay soviet education system, at least they got something right).

according to this (http://www.globalrichlist.com/index.php) site, I am in the top 1% of the richest people in the world using my annual salary. If I use how much money we actually spend I am in the top 11%. I would suppose I am a spoiled brat because of it :(

according to this (http://www.globalrichlist.com/index.php) site, I am in the top 1% of the richest people in the world using my annual salary. If I use how much money we actually spend I am in the top 11%. I would suppose I am a spoiled brat because of it :(Meh, I don't like those types of comparisons. They're far too simplistic. If I earn $30k and you earn $20k. After basic living costs such as housing a food (which differ in price because we live in different areas), you are left with $10k of disposable income and I'm left with $7k of disposable income. Who's richer?

I know when I was living on about $2/day I could buy 1kg of strawberries for about 20 cents. I haven't a chance of coming anywhere near that sort of income/price ratio in the UK. I have an income of about £13/day in the UK. Strawberries (thought not yet in season) currently cost £7.50 per kg.

So yeah, I tend to hate it when people try to guilt trip me, and I immediately tune out when charity adverts are shown on TV. Besides, I much rather spend my time helping people than my money.

Meh, I don't like those types of comparisons. They're far too simplistic. If I earn $30k and you earn $20k. After basic living costs such as housing a food (which differ in price because we live in different areas), you are left with $10k of disposable income and I'm left with $7k of disposable income. Who's richer?

I know when I was living on about $2/day I could buy 1kg of strawberries for about 20 cents. I haven't a chance of coming anywhere near that sort of income/price ratio in the UK. I have an income of about £13/day in the UK. Strawberries (thought not yet in season) currently cost £7.50 per kg.

So yeah, I tend to hate it when people try to guilt trip me, and I immediately tune out when charity adverts are shown on TV. Besides, I much rather spend my time helping people than my money.

You earn 13 pounds a DAY? How the hell do you have internet?!

That's right. About all I am going to take. Enough. JOHNNY B GOODE HAS HAD ENOUGH.

Who is this blast leveled against, you ask? My parents. I have had fucking enough of them. My mom is curt, rarely (or more like never) nice, and my dad...well, let's just say I have semi-uncontrollable urges to punch him in the nose. Unfortunately I have 10 (maybe more) more years before I can get out. Have any of you had enough? If so, what did you do?

What kind of 8-year-old is on NS? I tought you were 13...that means you have 5 years. I have exactly 17 months and 19 days left. :D

It's hard, but we all go through it.

I made it. I can kill it.

That's not how it works in the General forum. If you were roleplaying in the roleplay forums, you could ask for the thread to be closed. In the General forum, it doesn't work that way, because then you'd have people closing down discussions when they didn't like the way they were going, or because it offends their political/religious beliefs. It's not a soap box, it's a discussion forum.

nothing, however nearly everyone I know has pure breeds and they brag about them, and how they spent a few thousand on them, and they ask "where did you buy your dog?" and I say "he showed up on my porch and wouldn't leave" and they look at me like they are sickened. :(

They're being silly and materialistic then. Have you ever noticed how many diseases or behavioral issues purebreds have -- mostly because purebred = inbred with some unscrupulous breeders?

I've met plenty of mutts with good dispositions, good health and good looks -- and they don't look like everyone else's dog. Go mutts!

You earn 13 pounds a DAY? How the hell do you have internet?!Broadband internet no less.

I don't 'earn' £13/day. My student loan and grants are equivalent to about £5,000 per year. Rent is £200pcm (£2,400/year). There are four of us in the house, so we can split bills and share costs. Per person, it only costs £90/year for internet, telephone and cable TV (it would be £87/year without the cable TV...). Actually it'll only cost less than that because the provider allows me to freeze the contract over the summer months when I'm more likely to be back at my mum's house.

nothing, however nearly everyone I know has pure breeds and they brag about them, and how they spent a few thousand on them, and they ask "where did you buy your dog?" and I say "he showed up on my porch and wouldn't leave" and they look at me like they are sickened. :(Aww, that's so cute? He really just showed up on your door one day? Nearly all the pets we've ever looked after were mongrels/mutts/whatever. Mostly from friends who wouldn't get there pets spayed until they'd had a litter. But there was one cat who was like the cat in the book 'Seven Supper Sid' (or was it six?). But anyway she spent the vast majority of time at our house. She would always be a stray, and didn't come with use when we moved from that house. However, during the time she was with us she came to our house to give birth to kittens. Which was very cool.

I'm getting off point. My other point was to say the only purebreds we've ever had were from rescue home. One cat - British Black, and one dog - Puli (http://web.telecom.cz/khatakhyi/candra.htm).

That's not how it works in the General forum. If you were roleplaying in the roleplay forums, you could ask for the thread to be closed. In the General forum, it doesn't work that way, because then you'd have people closing down discussions when they didn't like the way they were going, or because it offends their political/religious beliefs. It's not a soap box, it's a discussion forum.

Yeah. OK, I understand.

What kind of 8-year-old is on NS? I tought you were 13...that means you have 5 years. I have exactly 17 months and 19 days left. :D

It's hard, but we all go through it.

I am. Big miscalculation. Besides, 8-year olds don't go through mood swings like that.

Aww, that's so cute? He really just showed up on your door one day?

yeah, he took a nap on the porch, he didn't leave for 2 days, and I didn't feed him or anything, I was worried about him so I took him to the vet and they made me get his shots and everything before they would look at him, then they told me he was fine, that he was just a "mellow dog" so I figured I spent a few hundred on him, and now he was mine. He however seems to think the 5 year old is the pack leader, he listens to her more than he does anyone else.