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I bet the reason was that the outfits weren't fashionable enough.

http://www.thelocal.se/6624/

I mean, we keep hearing on this forum that Swedes are the ne plus ultra of fashion sense. It can only be because they are trained from birth to be fashionable, and have strict fashion laws governing how bad one can appear in public.

Two Muslim mothers in Sweden on Wednesday lost a discrimination case against an indoor swimming pool where the lifeguards had asked them to remove their veils and body-covering clothing.

The Gothenburg court ruled the municipal pool had not discriminated against the women.

I bet the reason was that the outfits weren't fashionable enough.

http://www.thelocal.se/6624/

I mean, we keep hearing on this forum that Swedes are the ne plus ultra of fashion sense. It can only be because they are trained from birth to be fashionable, and have strict fashion laws governing how bad one can appear in public. I'm... bewildered. The barb would have been so much more stingy had you just said what you meant. Why not say "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", why clothe it in "fashion" when that's not a topic that has ever come up in regards to things Sweden does better? What's the point of sarcasm that misses its target because it doesn't make even a bit of sense? :confused:

I bet the reason was that the outfits weren't fashionable enough.

http://www.thelocal.se/6624/

I mean, we keep hearing on this forum that Swedes are the ne plus ultra of fashion sense. It can only be because they are trained from birth to be fashionable, and have strict fashion laws governing how bad one can appear in public.

Personally I dont think the rule was put into place to be discriminatory but it does appear to have that effect. if there is no honestly good reasoning behind the dress code I think it should go.

The excuse for them rescuing their kids could be legit but honestly if they do not have enough lifeguards to safely cover the pool they may want to hire more staff.

If anyone is discriminating, it isn't the lifeguards, because they were following the rules set forward by the indoor swimming pool. Unless they made those rules, you can't really blame them for enforcing them. You could, however, blame the indoor swimming pool.

I'm... bewildered. The barb would have been so much more stingy had you just said what you meant. Why not say "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", why clothe it in "fashion" when that's not a topic that has ever come up in regards to things Sweden does better? What's the point of sarcasm that misses its target because it doesn't make even a bit of sense? :confused:

Agreed I don't ever remember hearing about swede fashion sense in this forum.

If anyone is discriminating, it isn't the lifeguards, because they were following the rules set forward by the indoor swimming pool. Unless they made those rules, you can't really blame them for enforcing them. You could, however, blame the indoor swimming pool.

Agreed there, it was their job to enforce policy

You don't read Fassingen's posts, either.You don't really think I was referring to anything but Fass' posts in my post above, do you?

Agreed I don't ever remember hearing about swede fashion sense in this forum.

You never read Fassingen's posts, do you?

I'm... bewildered. The barb would have been so much more stingy had you just said what you meant. Why not say "tolerance" and "multiculturalism", why clothe it in "fashion" when that's not a topic that has ever come up in regards to things Sweden does better? What's the point of sarcasm that misses its target because it doesn't make even a bit of sense? :confused:
You don't read Fassingen's posts, either.

If anyone is discriminating, it isn't the lifeguards, because they were following the rules set forward by the indoor swimming pool. Unless they made those rules, you can't really blame them for enforcing them. You could, however, blame the indoor swimming pool.


And that is what they did. The suit was against the municipal pool, not the lifeguards.

If anyone is discriminating, it isn't the lifeguards, because they were following the rules set forward by the indoor swimming pool. Unless they made those rules, you can't really blame them for enforcing them. You could, however, blame the indoor swimming pool.

I disagree, the rules were not made to discriminate against people, but to ensure safety. So I don't blame the swimming pool either.

You don't really think I was referring to anything but Fass' posts in my post above, do you?

He's made it clear in many posts that Sweden had far more fashion sense in its citizenry than the US.

He's also made it clear that Swedes don't do any of the bad things that other nations do - Sweden doesn't have the problem of discrimination, Muslim-hating, warring on other nations, intolerance, etc.

To him, Sweden is a peace-loving, multicultural paradise that has no equal on Earth.

To him, Sweden is a peace-loving, multicultural paradise that has no equal on Earth.


Compared to most other countries it is which says more about other countries than Sweden actually.

You never read Fassingen's posts, do you?
Sure do they are usually on topic (well not always)

But maybe heard him talk about pants once ...

Either way maybe it is an inside joke or something, eh either way not the best intro

He's made it clear in many posts that Sweden had far more fashion sense in its citizenry than the US.

He's also made it clear that Swedes don't do any of the bad things that other nations do - Sweden doesn't have the problem of discrimination, Muslim-hating, warring on other nations, intolerance, etc.

To him, Sweden is a peace-loving, multicultural paradise that has no equal on Earth.While I hold no doubts that, should he read this thread, he will agree with that assessment just to spite both you and me, you overstate the absoluteness of his posts quite a bit.

While I hold no doubts that, should he read this thread, he will agree with that assessment just to spite both you and me, you overstate the absoluteness of his posts quite a bit.

This is getting to seem really petty, like the whole thread was designed to barb a particular poster

Nah, Eve's right; Fass has been derogatory towards other people's fashion sense before now.

'Course, Fass is derogatory towards everybody else's everything, so it probably got buried in our favourite supercilious Swede's avalanche of derision.

Nah, Eve's right; Fass has been derogatory towards other people's fashion sense before now.

'Course, Fass is derogatory towards everybody else's everything, so it probably got buried in our favourite supercilious Swede's avalanche of derision.

That is possible I agree, but to me its lost in the muddle of other stuff ...

Nah, Eve's right; Fass has been derogatory towards other people's fashion sense before now.

'Course, Fass is derogatory towards everybody else's everything, so it probably got buried in our favourite supercilious Swede's avalanche of derision.Oh, no doubt he's often said that Americans have a rather bad fashion sense (based on stereotypical pictures like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38157000/jpg/_38157357_fat_us_grab_300.jpg) and on what we see on many American tourists). I'm just wondering how that translates into the OP of this thread.

He's made it clear in many posts that Sweden had far more fashion sense in its citizenry than the US.I assure you that if true, it doesn't include me. Though I hardly stick out (except when my shirt ends up inside-out, as it sometimes does when put on early in the morning), using cheap, common clothes.

I assure you that if true, it doesn't include me. Though I hardly stick out (except when my shirt ends up inside-out, as it sometimes does when put on early in the morning), using cheap, common clothes.Who cares what the pseudo humans look like, as long as the punks are pretty & the skins look sharp?

I bet the reason was that the outfits weren't fashionable enough.

http://www.thelocal.se/6624/

I mean, we keep hearing on this forum that Swedes are the ne plus ultra of fashion sense. It can only be because they are trained from birth to be fashionable, and have strict fashion laws governing how bad one can appear in public.

This just proves that you hate Swedes more than you hate Muslims :p

This just proves that you hate Swedes more than you hate Muslims :p:p

And that is what they did. The suit was against the municipal pool, not the lifeguards.

Hmm, I must've misread the news the first time.

The ombudsman argued in court that the lifeguards' insistence that they change into tee-shirts was an act of discrimination.

The lifeguards testified that although there was nothing in the security regulations about veils, the rules did require people in the pool area to wear shorts and tee-shirts, even if they don't plan to swim.

That was the part that made me think that it was the lifeguards being charged.

But of course, it starts off with:
Two Muslim mothers in Sweden on Wednesday lost a discrimination case against an indoor swimming pool where the lifeguards had asked them to remove their veils and body-covering clothing.

I disagree, the rules were not made to discriminate against people, but to ensure safety. So I don't blame the swimming pool either.

That wasn't quite what I meant. I meant that if anyone should be blamed, it should be the swimming pool and not the lifeguards. That doesn't exclude the possibility of getting rid of the dress code (since clothes have a tendency to suck up water, a t-shirt gets awfully heavy when its wet).

Agreed I don't ever remember hearing about swede fashion sense in this forum.

Agreed also. My first thought was "WTF?"
But then, most of my thoughts are "WTF?" :p

While I hold no doubts that, should he read this thread, he will agree with that assessment just to spite both you and me, you overstate the absoluteness of his posts quite a bit.

And the ubiquity and universal agreement therewith as well also.

This is getting to seem really petty, like the whole thread was designed to barb a particular poster

I thought the thread was designed to be petty to begin with (is that a veiled innuendo?)

I bet the reason was that the outfits weren't fashionable enough.

http://www.thelocal.se/6624/

I mean, we keep hearing on this forum that Swedes are the ne plus ultra of fashion sense. It can only be because they are trained from birth to be fashionable, and have strict fashion laws governing how bad one can appear in public.

i've honestly never heard of sweden being noted for it's fashion sense. france maybe, but that's only ever been true for wealthy parisiens as far as i've noticed.

edit:
The mothers' cumbersome clothing would have prevented them from coming to the rescue of their children if necessary, they argued.
isn't that the lifeguard's job? my friend is a lifeguard and she gets pretty annoyed when some worried parent jumps in the water to inexpertly 'rescue' a child in trouble. she says they generally prefer that people let them do their jobs, same with any emergency service personnel.