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My2cents: So.. a few weeks ago.. The Iranian Nuclear Scientist is gassed.. and now the General/former Deputy Minister disappears.. ??

Peretz denies Mossad involvement in the Iranian general's disappearance.

In first Israeli official response to missing Iranian general disappearance, The Israeli defense minister says Israel does not kidnap people.

In Israel's first response to the disappearance of an Iranian official in Turkey, Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Wednesday that allegations that the Mossad was behind it were unfounded.

"We do not engage in that sort of activity," said Peretz, "and therefore have no reason to discuss it."

Reports about Iran's former Deputy Defense Minister Ali Reza Asgari's disapperaence were first published in February.

The report said that after a visit to Damscus he flew to Istanbul but never checked into his hotel.

At a later meeting between the Turks and Iran it was suggested that the Mossad and the CIA might be behind his disappearance.
03.07.07

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3373786,00.html
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It's Peretz. The man is an idiot.

Also, the Mossad does not NORMALLY kidnap, though they do assassinate, which he did not deny.

Hint: ALL INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS IN THE WORLD DO THIS SORT OF STUFF.

It's Peretz. The man is an idiot.

Also, the Mossad does not NORMALLY kidnap, though they do assassinate, which he did not deny.

Hint: ALL INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS IN THE WORLD DO THIS SORT OF STUFF.The US/Russian/Israeli -and a FEW other Countries- do kidnap and assasinate.

but not ALL the Countries on earth.
Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate.

Read up in any book about history of intelligence services.

Spies kidnap, blackmail, steal, whatever to gain the needed informations or to manipulate other nations.

China has spies, Iran has spies, Russia has spies, Britain has spies, hell, even Sweden has spies.

It's Peretz. The man is an idiot.

Also, the Mossad does not NORMALLY kidnap, though they do assassinate, which he did not deny.

Hint: ALL INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS IN THE WORLD DO THIS SORT OF STUFF.

Usually, that's why intelligence networks are also called "secret service". Because they sometimes do thing that are best kept secret, like spying, stealing, kidnapping, torturing and killing.

China has spies, Iran has spies, Russia has spies, Britain has spies, hell, even Sweden has spies.

I fear that a secret agent from San Marino is around...;)
Anyway, I'm sure that the Vatican has spies.

Neither does the CIA.. Sure.

China has spies, Iran has spies, Russia has spies, Britain has spies, hell, even Sweden has spies.you do realize..dont you?
this does not challenge my statement:

"Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate."

BTW.. your list has only 5 countries(Terrorist-states) on it.
yes.. I do consider states whom kidnap>>torture>>assassinate to be terrorist states.

you do realize..dont you?
this does not challenge my statement:

"Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate."

your list has 5 countries on it.

I could name a bunch of podunk countries where top politicians utilize their personal guard and/or police to assassinate inconvenient people. Heck, mine is one of them.

I fear that a secret agent from San Marino is around...;)
Anyway, I'm sure that the Vatican has spies.

They like to be called Inquisitors, tyvm. And they're not very effective at being stealthy.

I could name a bunch of podunk countries where ...please.. be my guest.

They all do it.

you do realize..dont you?
this does not challenge my statement:

"Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate."

BTW.. your list has only 5 countries(Terrorist-states) on it.
yes.. I do consider states whom kidnap>>torture>>assassinate to be terrorist states.

All countries are terrorist states then. The US has a policy against assassination, but you can bet it's not exactly a big block against doing it. We kidnap people constantly. Hell most if not all countries do, welcome to espionage 101.

All countries are terrorist states then. The US has a policy against assassination, but you can bet it's not exactly a big block against doing it. We kidnap people constantly. Hell most if not all countries do, welcome to espionage 101.

Actually, the Son of a Bush repealed that Presidential Order.

I have to say, I think he was right to (one of the few actually good things he's done). It wasn't a good idea to force our intelligence services to compete with others with one of their major tools unavailable.

On the other hand, I'd support a multilateral ban on the use of assassination as a tool of state. Not holding my breath.

It's actually nice to see a politician outside Aus be a right drongo, though. :)

Don't be silly. They contract that out.

please.. be my guest.

Malaysia made some regional news lately when it came out that a deputy prime minister had his personal bodyguard dispose of some Mongolian beauty queen whom he was having an affair with.

I'm also fairly certain many of the former states of the USSR all employ leg breakers to do head thumping when there are dissidents.

Kidnapping, not so much. Killing? Plenty.

.. spying, stealing, kidnapping, torturing.. killing.2/5
kidnapping and Torturing = Terrorism
spying, stealing, or killing = NOT Terrorism.

If a state has an established institution for kidnapping-and-Torturing (KGB,SS,CIA,Mossad,etc).. I consider it a Terrorist state.

Why I am not including stealing and killing? Because a lot of different things can be called "stealing" or "killing". (example land confiscation or Death Penalty)

On the other hand I am willing to consider the Word "Assassination".

2/5
kidnapping and Torturing = Terrorism
spying, stealing, or killing = NOT Terrorism.

If a state has an established institution for kidnapping-and-Torturing (KGB,SS,CIA,Mossad,etc).. I consider it a Terrorist state.

Why I am not including stealing and killing? Because a lot of different things can be called "stealing" or "killing". (example land confiscation or Death Penalty)

On the other hand I am willing to consider the Word "Assassination".

Time to lay off of the meth, eh?

Time to lay off of the meth, eh?

Time to lay off the useless comments, eh?

I'd be more surprised if he'd said, "Yep, that was us, and we'll do it again if necessary." Of course he denied it. Any cabinet-level minister would deny it. It would be refreshing if one came out and admitted it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Mordechai Vanunu presumably purchased his own container drugged himself and then transported himself into said container which he placed on ship and steered to Israel :headbang: :headbang: .

From Israeli press (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=%20417663&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y)

In fact while looking at that have received popup invitation to watch briefings by Mossad officials, examine "targetted killing units", attend Hamas trials.

Targetted Killing units could that be assination?????

Is that the same Mossad targetted killing which led to the death of Algerian waiter Ahmed Bouchiki murdered in Lillehammer, Norway.

In fact "experience a dynamic & intensive 8 day experience an 8 day exploration"

The US/Russian/Israeli -and a FEW other Countries- do kidnap and assasinate.

but not ALL the Countries on earth.
Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate.

France too. To be honest, I suspect that any country which is powerful enough to use kidnapping and get away with it will do so if it benefits them.

Incidentally, why is everyone assuming he was kidnapped? Turkish and Arabic media say he's probably defected.

And the CIA doesn't deny what it does? And whatever secret police Iran has doesn't deny what it does? It's called covert activities.

And the CIA doesn't deny what it does? And whatever secret police Iran has doesn't deny what it does? It's called covert activities.

Actually, the CIA doesn't deny things they are accused of. Ever. They always refuse to confirm or deny any allegation.

Stop the presses... a military is lying about its activities?? This is unheard of...


STOP THE PRESSES, the ISRAELI ARMY is lying??? STORY OF THE CENTURY!!!


:rolleyes:

Stop the presses... a military is lying about its activities?? This is unheard of...


STOP THE PRESSES, the ISRAELI ARMY is lying??? STORY OF THE CENTURY!!!


:rolleyes:

Ah, no. Mossad is a civilian agency.

Ah, no. Mossad is a civilian agency.

The statement was made by the defense minister, and the mossad secret police is known to murder people, and israel has conscription - distinction without a difference.

The statement was made by the defense minister, and the mossad secret police is known to murder people, and israel has conscription - distinction without a difference.

I don't think I can agree with you there. Using the same logic, the FBI and the Marshall's Service were military agencies from 1941 to 1970-something (whenever conscription ended in the US).

Mossad does not report to the military. I don't THINK it reports to their defense ministry either - but I'm not 100% sure of that.

Do they work together? Of course - and I should damn well hope so! If two parts of one government DON'T work together, one or both needs to be reconstructed.

The US/Russian/Israeli -and a FEW other Countries- do kidnap and assasinate.

but not ALL the Countries on earth.
Most Countries on earth do NOT kidnap/assassinate.

They would if they could.

I don't think I can agree with you there. Using the same logic, the FBI and the Marshall's Service were military agencies from 1941 to 1970-something (whenever conscription ended in the US).

Mossad does not report to the military. I don't THINK it reports to their defense ministry either - but I'm not 100% sure of that.

Do they work together? Of course - and I should damn well hope so! If two parts of one government DON'T work together, one or both needs to be reconstructed.

Again, I see the distinction, but what's the difference? This is a thread about "the mossad lying isnt news."

Actually, the CIA doesn't deny things they are accused of. Ever. They always refuse to confirm or deny any allegation.

Accuse them of employing humans :P

Heck, mine is one of them.

Which country is that?

It's Peretz. The man is an idiot.

Also, the Mossad does not NORMALLY kidnap, though they do assassinate, which he did not deny.

Hint: ALL INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS IN THE WORLD DO THIS SORT OF STUFF.
QFT.

What do you expect them to say? "Yes, we in Mossad assassinate and kidnap people all the time."?

It's Peretz. The man is an idiot.

Also, the Mossad does not NORMALLY kidnap, though they do assassinate, which he did not deny.

Hint: ALL INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS IN THE WORLD DO THIS SORT OF STUFF.

what delusion....Mordechai Vanunu, Eichmann two that were kidnapped and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg....assassination is routine.....

Hint:ONLY TERRORIST NATIONS INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS KIDNAP AND ASSASSINATE

My country Canada does not, never has and never will.....all criminals/terrorists are brought to justice by legal means only...and we certainly do not assassinate....

Which country is that?

I've already listed it just now I believe.

Incidentally, why is everyone assuming he was kidnapped? Turkish and Arabic media say he's probably defected.
Because people like OD love to blame Israel/Jews whenever they can.

And yes, the Washington Post is running with the story that he defected. The only people saying kidnapping are members of the Iranian government. They are saying that because this defection is embarrassing for them. This guy obviously planned it out as he got his family out a few days ago.

And to earlier comments, yes Peretz is a fucking moron.

I see some posters claiming that nations practicing kidnapping, torture and assassination are all terrorist nations. Those claims couldn't be further from the truth; those activities are also practiced by COUNTER-terrorist nations, such as the United States. Jack Bauer does all of the above on a daily basis, and he saves countless lives without getting any sleep at all. If it weren't for those goddamn camping terrorists buying AWPs EVERY SINGLE $&(*!@#&! TIME, then maybe we wouldn't have to resort to those tactics. But as it is, if they don't quit wallhacking there's no line we won't cross.

I see some posters claiming that nations practicing kidnapping, torture and assassination are all terrorist nations. Those claims couldn't be further from the truth; those activities are also practiced by COUNTER-terrorist nations, such as the United States. Jack Bauer does all of the above on a daily basis, and he saves countless lives without getting any sleep at all. If it weren't for those goddamn camping terrorists buying AWPs EVERY SINGLE $&(*!@#&! TIME, then maybe we wouldn't have to resort to those tactics. But as it is, if they don't quit wallhacking there's no line we won't cross.

the USA is the leading terrorist Nation, no other nation comes close to matching the USA.....

the USA is the leading terrorist Nation, no other nation comes close to matching the USA.....

What a noob thing to say. I bet you buy dualies and get owned every time, terrorist. Maybe if your team didn't have so many camping assholes, we'd rescue the innocent hostages in cs_office more often.

what delusion....Mordechai Vanunu, Eichmann two that were kidnapped and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg...

Can you provide proof that this is 'the tip of the iceberg'?

My country Canada does not, never has and never will.....all criminals/terrorists are brought to justice by legal means only...and we certainly do not assassinate....

Right. I assume you know all about classified Canadian operations.

what delusion....Mordechai Vanunu, Eichmann two that were kidnapped and no doubt just the tip of the iceberg....assassination is routine.....

Hint:ONLY TERRORIST NATIONS INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS KIDNAP AND ASSASSINATE

My country Canada does not, never has and never will.....all criminals/terrorists are brought to justice by legal means only...and we certainly do not assassinate....

Bollocks. In WWII, Canada supplied half (the better half) of the US/Canadian Special Forces. The SF assassinated, kidnapped, sabotaged, and murdered across half of Europe!

And no, I do NOT make a distinction between wartime and peacetime uses of intelligence assets. As von Clausewitz said, "War is just Diplomacy by non-diplomatic means."

Again, I see the distinction, but what's the difference? This is a thread about "the mossad lying isnt news."

Actually, It's more like "This Israeli Minister is an idiot."

And there is a real difference. Military organizations are usually much more restricted than civilian ones.

And no, I do NOT make a distinction between wartime and peacetime...you should make a distinction..

On the battlefield.. sooner or later.. someone will kidnap and torture.. and when the other side finds out.. they will retaliate in kind.
This will lead to massive use of these methods by both sides.

That is why I condemn much more the use of these on peace time. (outside an full scale War)

you should make a distinction..

On the battlefield.. sooner or later.. someone will kidnap and torture.. and when the other side finds out.. they will retaliate in kind.
This will lead to massive use of these methods by both sides.

That is why I condemn much more the use of these on peace time. (outside an full scale War)

Please finish my quote: "of intelligence assets."

Many, many other things change in wartime. Actions which were unthinkable for civilians to tolerate become commonplace. Acts whicc, in peacetime, would indeed be terrorist actions, become legitimate.

But what used to be called "The Great Game" goes on unabated, and oftimes with greater intensity. Regardless of war or peace, the spy is always doing the illegal thing, the act beyond the pale. For him, it is always wartime.

What a noob thing to say. I bet you buy dualies and get owned every time, terrorist. Maybe if your team didn't have so many camping assholes, we'd rescue the innocent hostages in cs_office more often.

That's why I generally assassinate the hostages ahead of time. Levels the playing field.

What a noob thing to say. I bet you buy dualies and get owned every time, terrorist. Maybe if your team didn't have so many camping assholes, we'd rescue the innocent hostages in cs_office more often.is it just me.. or you are calling him terrorist ??
typing error?

Unless in your mind.. anyone posting a different opinion is a terrorist.

you should make a distinction..

On the battlefield.. sooner or later.. someone will kidnap and torture.. and when the other side finds out.. they will retaliate in kind.
This will lead to massive use of these methods by both sides.

That is why I condemn much more the use of these on peace time. (outside an full scale War)
Wait, did you just say that since kidnap and torture in wartime will lead to massive use of those methods, the use of kidnap and torture in peacetime is worse? :confused:

is it just me.. or you are calling him terrorist ??
typing error?

Unless in your mind.. anyone posting a different opinion is a terrorist.

That side convo was one giant CS reference. It went over your head.

is it just me.. or you are calling him terrorist ??
typing error?

Unless in your mind.. anyone posting a different opinion is a terrorist.

He is referencing counterstrike, a popular online team based game.

That side convo was one giant CS reference.He is referencing counterstrike, a popular online team based game.ahh.

thanks.

What can you expect from the Zionists?

What can you expect from the Zionists?
I don't know, but this post is what I'd expect from an anti-semite like yourself.

You blame Israel and the Jews with no evidence before reading the thread and learning the man defected on his own free will.

... learning the man defected on his own free will.on his own free will? really?
you know that for a fact?

I wanna learn too.. teach me.

on his own free will? really?
you know that for a fact?

I wanna learn too.. teach me.Why don't you go pull your head out of the sand and read something online. The man has defected. He sent his family out of Iran a few days before he made his move.

Oh and talking of facts, can you prove that Iranian scientist was gassed by Mossad? Iran itself hasn't accused Israel in the man's death. They say it was an accident. Working with radioactive materials is dangerous work and accidents do happen. Of course these facts never stop you from blaming Jews.

Why don't you go pull your head out of the sand and read something online. The man has defected. He sent his family out of Iran a few days before he made his move.

Oh and talking of facts, can you prove that Iranian scientist was gassed by Mossad? Iran itself hasn't accused Israel in the man's death. They say it was an accident. Working with radioactive materials is dangerous work and accidents do happen. Of course these facts never stop you from blaming Jews.

Yeah OcceanDrive, shame on you, why don't you go and read a credible source, like the Jewish Virtual Library or IDF website, then you'll learn the 'truth'.

Yeah OcceanDrive, shame on you, why don't you go and read a credible source, like the Jewish Virtual Library or IDF website, then you'll learn the 'truth'.

How about The Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1497034.ece)?

AN Iranian general who defected to the West last month had been spying on Iran since 2003 when he was recruited on an overseas business trip, according to Iranian sources.
This weekend Brigadier General Ali Reza Asgari, 63, the former deputy defence minister, is understood to be undergoing debriefing at a Nato base in Germany after he escaped from Iran, followed by his family.

A daring getaway via Damascus was organised by western intelligence agencies after it became clear that his cover was about to be blown. Iran’s notorious secret service, the Vavak, is believed to have suspected that he was a high-level mole.

According to the Iranian sources, the escape took several months to arrange. At least 10 close members of his family had to flee the country. Asgari has two sons, a daughter and several grandchildren and it is believed that all, including his daughters-in-law, are now out of Iran. Their final destination is unknown.

Damn those Zionist, Iran-hating, Iranian sources!

Seriously, if you got your news from somewhere other than al-jazeera you'd find this kind of stuff out.

Their final destination is unknown.

This is a blatant lie. Everybody knows where their final destination is. It's called death's door. [/morbid joke]

I don't know, but this post is what I'd expect from an anti-semite like yourself.

You blame Israel and the Jews with no evidence before reading the thread and learning the man defected on his own free will.

I love how IDF always sneaks in 'and the Jews' into any sentence where the word 'Israel' appears.

"Have a nice trip, dear?"

"Oh yes, I'll certainly have to visit Israel and the Jews again. Pass me the crumpets, please".

"Was it sunny in Israel and the Jews?"

"It's always sunny in Israel and the Jews. Unlike in Syria and the Muslims, or Jordan and the Muslims, where of course it's always overcast. Pass me the jam?"

AN Iranian general who defected to the West last month had been spying on Iran since 2003 when he was recruited on an overseas business trip, according to Iranian sources.
This weekend Brigadier General Ali Reza Asgari, 63, the former deputy defence minister, is understood to be undergoing debriefing at a Nato base in Germany after he escaped from Iran, followed by his family.

A daring getaway via Damascus was organised by western intelligence agencies after it became clear that his cover was about to be blown. Iran’s notorious secret service, the Vavak, is believed to have suspected that he was a high-level mole.

According to the Iranian sources, the escape took several months to arrange. At least 10 close members of his family had to flee the country. Asgari has two sons, a daughter and several grandchildren and it is believed that all, including his daughters-in-law, are now out of Iran. Their final destination is unknown."Iranian sources" can be anything..

Just before we invaded Iraq there were "Iraqi sources" guiding our moves.. telling US.. "Iraqis Will Greet US With Roses"

Some "Jewish sources" say the Iranian disapeared General.. is the Founder of Hezbollah.. But there is no reason for me to blindly trust everything "sources" say.

BTW I can post the names of my "sources".. Can you?
(of Course I am talking about the names of the persons.. not the stupid newspaper) .
the name of my source is Ram Igra, former Mossad (Israel Gov) official.

I love how IDF always sneaks in 'and the Jews' into any sentence where the word 'Israel' appears.

"Have a nice trip, dear?"

"Oh yes, I'll certainly have to visit Israel and the Jews again. Pass me the crumpets, please".

"Was it sunny in Israel and the Jews?"

"It's always sunny in Israel and the Jews. Unlike in Syria and the Muslims, or Jordan and the Muslims, where of course it's always overcast. Pass me the jam?"

The best way for the israelis to deflect criticism is to lie and pretend it is criticism of "the jews."

That is why IDF erects that dishonest strawman in every thread related to the middle east, in the hopes of turning any criticism of the israeli government and military into a jew-pity-party. It is a serious defect of character.

He writes that phrase so often, I've started visualizing it as the title of a children's adventure book - "Israel and the Jews", kinda like "Asterix and the Helvetians" or "Tintin and the Azerbijanis" or somesuch.

I love how IDF always sneaks in 'and the Jews' into any sentence where the word 'Israel' appears.

"Have a nice trip, dear?"

"Oh yes, I'll certainly have to visit Israel and the Jews again. Pass me the crumpets, please".

"Was it sunny in Israel and the Jews?"

"It's always sunny in Israel and the Jews. Unlike in Syria and the Muslims, or Jordan and the Muslims, where of course it's always overcast. Pass me the jam?"
And I love how you just come into threads to bait me.

I think I'm justified in calling out AP for his true intentions on every post he makes about Israel.

Just look at his past posts.

The Zionists probably want to replace it with a military base, or a Synagogue that couples as a Bank too.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12338929&postcount=2

He's a pathetic anti-semite who hides his hatred of the Jews under the term "Zionist."

The best way for the israelis to deflect criticism is to lie and pretend it is criticism of "the jews."

That is why IDF erects that dishonest strawman in every thread related to the middle east, in the hopes of turning any criticism of the israeli government and military into a jew-pity-party. It is a serious defect of character.
It's not dishonest if it's the truth.

The Zionists probably want to replace it with a military base, or a Synagogue that couples as a Bank too.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12338929&postcount=2

Point, set, match

I don't hate Jews, never have. I just oppose Zionism.

'By its nature, Zionism concentrates ultra-nationalism, chauvinism and racial intolerance, excuse for territorial occupation and annexation, military opportunism, cult of political promiscuousness and irresponsibility, demagogy and ideological diversion, dirty tactics and perfidy... Absurd are attempts of Zionist ideologists to present criticizing them, or condemning the aggressive politics of the Israel's ruling circles, as antisemitic.'

I don't hate Jews, never have. I just oppose Zionism.
Bullshit, your past comments say otherwise.

And do you even know what Zionism is? It simply is supporting the idea of the State of Israel. Obviously you lack a basic education on the topic though since you can't comprehend that simple fact.

It's not dishonest if it's the truth.


Which is only a really roundabout way of saying "it's dishonest."

Which is only a really roundabout way of saying "it's dishonest."It's dishonest if I call you, Nodinia, or Gauthier anti-semitic (notice I've never done so in a thread on Israel).

I only call people anti-semitic if they actually are. Just note AP's post. he clearly is anti-semitic. As soon as he read that BS story about how the evil j00z were supposedly going to knock down a mosque, he stated they probably wanted to put a bank there.

Then there are anti-semites like OD. He is a Holocaust denier. If you do that, there is no debating whether or not you are an anti-semite.

Did that clear stuff up for you?

I'm not really "pro-" or "anti-" Israel, but what's with all the hatred of Israel in this forum? :confused:

I would say that yes, most secret/intelligence services usually kidnap, torture, and assassinate. Some more than others. For instance, the US often outsources these things to countries where there is no question that their legitimate governments even engage in such practices. Mossad is a bit different in the sense that, as an industrialized "democracy", they make almost no attempt to even hide the fact that they do these things. I suppose sometimes they deny it, but often their actions are not secretive, or haven't been many times. For instance, their retaliation against the attacks at the Munich Olympics was very open, and they openly violated the sovereignty of Lebanon and France. Only the Mossad, and perhaps the KGB at points, has done something so blatantly open.

Only the Mossad, and perhaps the KGB at points, has done something so blatantly open.

Nah, the KGB was usually pretty tight-lipped about its operations.

Dobbsworld, that was brilliant xD.

Nah, the KGB was usually pretty tight-lipped about its operations.

Well, what came to mind was that sloppy assassination of Trotsky in Mexico. I wanted to cover all my bases lol.

Well, what came to mind was that sloppy assassination of Trotsky in Mexico. I wanted to cover all my bases lol.

Didn't they deny that was their work?

Didn't they deny that was their work?

Perhaps? I'm not sure, but either way it was painfully obvious. Israel has denied some things, but it has also talked openly. I saw a Discovery Channel special about the Munich Olympics retaliation, and what was fucked up was that many people who went on to become Israeli politicians detailed their direct involvement in the assassinations. They recalled the deeds as though they were awesome and "fun", if you will. Sick fucks. Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak bragged about his role in Operation Spring of Youth in Beirut on that Discovery program...he dressed up as a woman.

He writes that phrase so often, I've started visualizing it as the title of a children's adventure book - "Israel and the Jews", kinda like "Asterix and the Helvetians" or "Tintin and the Azerbijanis" or somesuch.

Like R Lee Ermey said:

Now you listen, and you listen good.

People from azerbaijan are called FUCKING AZERIS...














JESUS...

Like R Lee Ermey said:

Now you listen, and you listen good.

People from azerbaijan are called FUCKING AZERIS...











JESUS...

Actually, you can say Azerbaijanis or Azeris. Azerbaijani is actually more correct in terms of nationality, because Azeri is an ethnic group/language which is also found in Iran. Just figured I'd let you know.

I'm amazed that a thread in which the OP failed to get any point across at all has extended to 6 pages...Then again....

I'm amazed that a thread in which the OP failed to get any point across at all has extended to 6 pages...Then again....

Welcome to an OD thread:p

I'm amazed that a thread in which the OP failed to get any point across at all has extended to 6 pages...Then again....My objective is not to get a maximum of points across to you.

My objective is to raise a subject.. I want people to comment.. I want to get people thinking about this..
Most of the Time I am satisfied at the striking Interest I am able to generate.
6 pages? yeah thats sounds about right. ;)

My objective is not to get a maximum of points across to you.

My objective is to raise a subject.. I want people to comment.. I want to get people thinking about this..
Most of the Time I am satisfied at the striking Interest I am able to generate.
6 pages? yeah thats sounds about right. ;)

Yet (and this is coming from a critic of the state of Israel) you failed to get any points made, the thread being unremarkable save for one genius who managed to relate Mordechai Vannunus kidnap to Adolph poxy Eichmanns....Own goal I'd say.