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The French Hate Freedom!

Zilam
08-03-2007, 14:41
PARIS, France (AP) -- A new law in France makes it a crime -- punishable by up to five years in prison -- for anyone who is not a professional journalist to film real-world violence and distribute the images on the Internet.

Critics call it a clumsy, near-totalitarian effort by authorities to battle "happy slapping" -- the youth fad of filming violent acts -- which most often they have provoked themselves -- and spreading the images on the Web or between mobile phones.

The measure, tucked deep into a vast anti-crime law that took effect Wednesday, took media advocates by surprise with what they say is an undesirable side effect: trampling on freedom of expression.

Experts said the law is the first of its kind in Europe. France made headlines years ago by ordering U.S.-based online company Yahoo to pay a fine of about $15 million for displaying Nazi memorabilia for sale -- in violation of French law.

The new provision takes on "happy slapping," a phenomenon whose name belies the gravity of the attacks. It mostly involves youths, and the victims often are strangers.

Violators of the law, passed in parliament in February, will be subject to up to five years in prison and €75,000 in fines ($98,600). It was championed by Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who is a top contender in France's presidential election in April and May.

The law was published in the government's Official Journal on Wednesday, bringing it into effect, after the Constitutional Council gave its final approval over the weekend.

Ligue Odebi, an association that seeks to protect freedom of expression on the Internet, said the measure will also hinder citizens' abilities to expose police brutality.

"This makes France the Western country that most infringes on freedom of expression and information -- particularly on the Internet," the group said in a statement on its Web site, www.odebi.org

"Identifying uploaders (of such images) would require the creation of a totalitarian surveillance of the Net," the group said.

Ligue Odebi noted that the council's approval Saturday fell on the 16th anniversary of the March 3, 1991, beating of motorist Rodney King by Los Angeles police officers in a scene captured on amateur video -- a case that sparked a national outcry in the United States.

The French law says that anyone who "knowingly" films illegal acts of violence and distributes the images can be considered an accomplice -- but that professional journalists are exempt.

French authorities have been seeking new ways to combat youth violence after a wave of rioting, car burnings and violence mostly in poor neighborhoods on the fringe of Paris and other cities in 2005.

Media advocacy group Reporters Without Borders said it understood the government's need to crack down on "happy slapping," but feared the law draws a "dangerous" distinction that would punish "regular citizens" for doing what journalists are allowed to do.

"The sections of this law supposedly dealing with 'happy slapping' in fact have a much broader scope," Reporters Without Borders said in a statement. "Posting videos online showing violence against people could now be banned, even if it were the police carrying out the violence."

The measure has implications for online video sites like YouTube, or France's Dailymotion.com: Authorities could ask them to identify the sources of images made available through their sites.

Its on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/08/france.violence.ap/)if you want to go look yourself. Anyways, I don't understand why the french hate freedom so much. Here in America we love our right to tape gratuitous violence! Need I remind you of Rodney King? The French need to grow some balls!!!1 /waves american flag

:rolleyes:
New Burmesia
08-03-2007, 14:47
Even more reason for the French to kick out their conservative government, I think.
Non Aligned States
08-03-2007, 14:57
French need to grow some balls!!!1 /waves american flag


No, the French need a workable law that would prosecute happy slappers with something heavier than a slap. And an enforcement system that makes catching these thugs easier.
New Burmesia
08-03-2007, 15:03
No, the French need a workable law that would prosecute happy slappers with something heavier than a slap. And an enforcement system that makes catching these thugs easier.
I think Zilam was being just a little sarcastic.;)
Call to power
08-03-2007, 15:05
But happy slapping got old last year?

Also take that France now you have CHAV’s!
Tarlag
08-03-2007, 15:07
No I don't think the French hate freedom they just have some jerks in office who don't read the laws they write. This sounds like the U.S. Government and the Patriot Act. Make a law and deal with the ramifications later.
Morthy
08-03-2007, 15:09
The french government needs to be "happy slapped".
Cogitation
08-03-2007, 15:36
Its on CNN if you want to go look yourself.
Nevertheless, you should provide a link to your source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/08/france.violence.ap/) so that people can find it more easily.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
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Zilam
08-03-2007, 16:07
Nevertheless, you should provide a link to your source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/08/france.violence.ap/) so that people can find it more easily.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

Yeah sorry about that, i was in a rush, and I wanted to post the story before I left to class. Link is in the OP now :)
The Alma Mater
08-03-2007, 17:39
PARIS, France (AP) -- A new law in France makes it a crime -- punishable by up to five years in prison -- for anyone who is not a professional journalist to film real-world violence and distribute the images on the Internet.

So.. if I taped police brutality, or an influential politican beating the crap out of some small kid - I must hand the tape to a professional journalist ?
Soviet Haaregrad
08-03-2007, 17:44
No, the French need a workable law that would prosecute happy slappers with something heavier than a slap. And an enforcement system that makes catching these thugs easier.

Uhh, is assault not illegal in France? Happy slappers are recording the evidence against themselves.
Seathornia
08-03-2007, 18:16
Amusing. Since they're banning the filming of violent acts, does this include all violent acts?

If so, then I am happy this will never get through the EU :p

For those with a short memory, there were riots in Copenhagen a week ago :o And the police, as well as the media, both asked for as much footage as possible. In other words, while the French government seeks to limit footage of violent acts, the Danish government (in the form of the police and yes, I will consider the media part of the government as I am currently rather pissed at the "public service" distributer here) seeks to actively encourage people filming it.

And which, in the end, is the better solution to judging violent acts?
Khadgar
08-03-2007, 18:17
So.. if I taped police brutality, or an influential politican beating the crap out of some small kid - I must hand the tape to a professional journalist ?

That's the way I read it. If you tape police brutality and then upload it to the net you're in the wrong.
Vetalia
08-03-2007, 18:18
Awesome! Nothing like making assault, theft, police brutality, and abuse easier to get away with! The French government is a hotbed of great ideas, I'll tell you what.
Carnivorous Lickers
08-03-2007, 18:31
I'm waiting for the day I get happy slapped.

Thats a video people are going to love.

I'll spoil the ending though-said slapper will be on the wrong end of a make-shift video camera/lower endoscopy.
Vetalia
08-03-2007, 18:35
I'll spoil the ending though-said slapper will be on the wrong end of a make-shift video camera/lower endoscopy.

Sadly, happy forced sodomy doesn't quite have the same ring although its effects are undeniably more unforgettable.
Eltaphilon
08-03-2007, 18:37
Also take that France now you have CHAV’s!

Argh! It's spreading!
Andaluciae
08-03-2007, 19:02
Wouldn't enforcing existing laws, such as assault laws and accessory to assault be sufficient for covering these problems?
Carnivorous Lickers
08-03-2007, 19:09
Sadly, happy forced sodomy doesn't quite have the same ring although its effects are undeniably more unforgettable.

The moment of awareness when the tables turned,the outrage,the pleading, the claims they were only joking-would be priceless.
Carnivorous Lickers
08-03-2007, 19:13
Wouldn't enforcing existing laws, such as assault laws and accessory to assault be sufficient for covering these problems?

Thats my argument with many new laws.

Why do I need a law against operating a cel phone while driving? its already covered by a "distracted driving" law.
Do we need another law for eating a taco while driving or putting on makeup while driving?

No-just enforce the adequate law that already covers the behavior.

If you plan to assault someone and then do so,thats a crime.

Maybe they could consider eliminating plea-bargaining in cases where it was premeditated and filmed for sport.