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The term "F-word" is already taken. Let's not confuse people any more than necessary. Maybe "faggot" should be refered to as "the other f-word" or the "aggot-word". Ok, that's awkward sounding. Still there should be some other euphamism for it.

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

The word is not offensive in a vacuum, and whether or not 'liberal blogs' also have that specific word in them is completely irrelevant ( a tu quoqe fallacy if you're using one to justify the other ).

Her justification of the word doesn't make sense.

"Being a school yard tease."

It's only acceptable between male friends (kinda wierd for women to call each other fags), most frequently on athletic teams.

Last I checked she wasn't friends with Edwards.

Wait a second , explain this to me.

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

So, it's just as offensive to you to report that Coulter said "faggot" as it is for Coulter to call Edwards a faggot? :rolleyes:

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

Er...did you actually read the links provided by the author of the blog you linked to? Because he either didn't or he's playing dumb. Which, incidentally, seems a lot like what you're doing here.

You cheeky bastard.

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

oh is someone mounting a campaign to pressure her sponsors to drop her?

interesting.

im sorry but i wont be able to join you in this boycott. i am a believer in free speech and would never try to muzzle anyone, not even anne coulter.

oh is someone mounting a campaign to pressure her sponsors to drop her?

interesting.

im sorry but i wont be able to join you in this boycott. i am a believer in free speech and would never try to muzzle anyone, not even anne coulter.While I'm still not clear on why he even bothered to put that first part of his post into the OP at all, people have indeed been writing to several of the companies advertising on Coulter's website.

Turns out the companies didn't know (or say they didn't) their ads were even on there and have pulled them.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/05/coulter.ads/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

(One of the previous Coulter threads (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/05/coulter.ads/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) was about this, too)

oh is someone mounting a campaign to pressure her sponsors to drop her?

interesting.

im sorry but i wont be able to join you in this boycott. i am a believer in free speech and would never try to muzzle anyone, not even anne coulter.

I have no interest in denying her 1st amendment rights. I also have no interest in her making money from ignorant, media-baiting opinions.

While I'm still not clear on why he even bothered to put that first part of his post into the OP at all, people have indeed been writing to several of the companies advertising on Coulter's website.

Turns out the companies didn't know (or say they didn't) their ads were even on there and have pulled them.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/05/coulter.ads/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

(One of the previous Coulter threads (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/05/coulter.ads/index.html?eref=rss_topstories) was about this, too)

hmmmm. guess they should have been paying attention. coulter has done much worse things than intimate that edwards is gay (or maybe she just meant not manly).

the faggot thing was stupid but no where near as offensive as she has been in other way--like her book called TREASON.

The term "F-word" is already taken. Let's not confuse people any more than necessary. Maybe "faggot" should be refered to as "the other f-word" or the "aggot-word". Ok, that's awkward sounding. Still there should be some other euphamism for it."The-offensive-word-that-also-means-meatball-word"?

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

Wow. That site is beyond pathetic. Whereyouthinkyougoing hinted at it, but I'll go the whole hog and talk about the actual diaries from the Kos site.

Example 1 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/1/25/54820/3401) is from Jan. 25, 2004, which is over 3 years ago for those keeping track, and got 16 responses total.

Example 2 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/18/31926/8568) is over a year old, is by an openly gay poster who goes by the name Harvey Milk, and is about his fellow gays who vote for Republicans.

Example 3 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2003/10/29/144352/15) is titled "Dean Staffer called faggot by Gephardt event staff." I think that's enough to give you the context

Example 4 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/10/9/18547/8900) is a story in which a Democratic state senator called a Republican state senator a faggot. Again, context is important here--it's reporting a news story and the diarist calls for the senator to resign. :rolleyes:

Example 5 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/10/2/61534/3917) is from Oct 2, 2004, and got 13 responses.

Example 6 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/15/1243/25031) is by another openly gay poster who is talking about her experiences dealing with gay bashing and a government that didn't respond int he early years of the AIDS crisis. Another case of a gay person taking control of the word.

Example 7 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/11/3/175652/104) is as above, but instead is reacting more to 11 states which passed gay marriage bans in 2004 and helped re-elect Bush.

Example 8 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/7/211514/8840) is a well-known poster named Mary Scott O'Connor calling out her fellow liberals for anti-gay rhetoric.

And last but not least, example 9 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/3/27/215516/165) is about homophobia, and the word faggot is used in describing what takes place in scenes from various films.

What's pathetic here is that these were used as examples of Coulter-like discourse. What's surprising is that they only found nine pathetic examples in a site the size of Kos's, that gets as much traffic as it does, and going back as far as they did. I mean, back to 2003, and that's it? And nothing from this year? Hell, the most recent one is from April 2006.

No wonder the right-wing is getting its ass handed to it daily.

No wonder the right-wing is getting its ass handed to it daily.

Ownage.

"F-Word"?

Is this an insult?

"F-Word"?

Is this an insult?

You stupid F-word

:p

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

She said fnord?

Wow. That site is beyond pathetic. Whereyouthinkyougoing hinted at it, but I'll go the whole hog and talk about the actual diaries from the Kos site.

Example 1 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/1/25/54820/3401) is from Jan. 25, 2004, which is over 3 years ago for those keeping track, and got 16 responses total.

Example 2 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/18/31926/8568) is over a year old, is by an openly gay poster who goes by the name Harvey Milk, and is about his fellow gays who vote for Republicans.

Example 3 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2003/10/29/144352/15) is titled "Dean Staffer called faggot by Gephardt event staff." I think that's enough to give you the context

Example 4 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/10/9/18547/8900) is a story in which a Democratic state senator called a Republican state senator a faggot. Again, context is important here--it's reporting a news story and the diarist calls for the senator to resign. :rolleyes:

Example 5 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/10/2/61534/3917) is from Oct 2, 2004, and got 13 responses.

Example 6 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/15/1243/25031) is by another openly gay poster who is talking about her experiences dealing with gay bashing and a government that didn't respond int he early years of the AIDS crisis. Another case of a gay person taking control of the word.

Example 7 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/11/3/175652/104) is as above, but instead is reacting more to 11 states which passed gay marriage bans in 2004 and helped re-elect Bush.

Example 8 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/7/211514/8840) is a well-known poster named Mary Scott O'Connor calling out her fellow liberals for anti-gay rhetoric.

And last but not least, example 9 (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2004/3/27/215516/165) is about homophobia, and the word faggot is used in describing what takes place in scenes from various films.

What's pathetic here is that these were used as examples of Coulter-like discourse. What's surprising is that they only found nine pathetic examples in a site the size of Kos's, that gets as much traffic as it does, and going back as far as they did. I mean, back to 2003, and that's it? And nothing from this year? Hell, the most recent one is from April 2006.

No wonder the right-wing is getting its ass handed to it daily.

To add to that and save DK the trouble of actually - god forbid - having to come back to his thread and make another post just to triumphantly point out what will certainly be termed your insufficient apologetic treatment of Examples 1 and 5:

Example 5 is talking about how the "GOP trying to "faggotize" Kerry with Faux quotes", calling their repeated insinuations to that effect a "Republican meme".
Nobody ever said Coulter was especially original, after all...

Example 1 is - I have no idea [I]what the hell Example 1 is but, reading the comments on it, nobody had. Out of the 13 comments that actually show up, 4 are by the author, 1 is off-topic, 1 is assuming that the author was making some sarcastic point nobody actually got, and 7 are criticizing the use of the term "faggot".

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html

I'd say something about how mildly misleading this title is, but I posted a thread about the same sponsor-pulling with an even more misleading title. I'll hold my tongue.

To add to that and save DK the trouble of actually - god forbid - having to come back to his thread and make another post just to triumphantly point out what will certainly be termed your insufficient apologetic treatment of Examples 1 and 5:

Example 5 is talking about how the "GOP trying to "faggotize" Kerry with Faux quotes", calling their repeated insinuations to that effect a "Republican meme".
Nobody ever said Coulter was especially original, after all...

Example 1 is - I have no idea [I]what the hell Example 1 is but, reading the comments on it, nobody had. Out of the 13 comments that actually show up, 4 are by the author, 1 is off-topic, 1 is assuming that the author was making some sarcastic point nobody actually got, and 7 are criticizing the use of the term "faggot".
Yeah, but it was on Daily Kos, so you know it just had to be something equally bad as what Coulter said. ;)

Well, Kimchi, Nazz already pointed out the stupidity of the argument so utterly that it is rendered irrelevant, but I'll take it from another angle.

Kos is a website that lets anyone publish. It is not represented by those people, it merely provides a publishing service for them. The only person who represents Daily Kos is Kos himself.

gee..Eve hasn't replied since Nazz rebutted his rather feeble attempt of protecting Coulter.

Wonder why?

I was expecting stories about the word fuck, not such trivial non-sense.

Well, Kimchi, Nazz already pointed out the stupidity of the argument so utterly that it is rendered irrelevant, but I'll take it from another angle.

Kos is a website that lets anyone publish. It is not represented by those people, it merely provides a publishing service for them. The only person who represents Daily Kos is Kos himself.

There are a couple of things that will get you banned from Kos, but it's rare. About the only one I can think of off the top of my head is writing 9/11 Conspiracy diaries. He wants nothing to do with them, and will toss people who write them. And anything that could make him liable, so he's very itchy about copyrighted photos and fair use material, though that won't get you insta-banned. You'll get a warning first.

Well, we all know Coulter SAID the F word - and there's no doubt she meant it.

So, one might imagine that people should pressure her web sponsors to drop her. After all, it is offensive.

Isn't it?

Check out the Daily Kos, and how many times you see that word there...

http://wilscorner.blogspot.com/2007/03/googling-faggot.html
1) I was not aware
2) I do not care.

I do so like
green eggs and ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am!

Her justification of the word doesn't make sense.

"Being a school yard tease."

It's only acceptable between male friends (kinda wierd for women to call each other fags), most frequently on athletic teams. \
It's not even acceptable then. It's offensive in when used in any insulting context, even playful ones.

gee..Eve hasn't replied since Nazz rebutted his rather feeble attempt of protecting Coulter.

Wonder why?

To be exact, I didn't rebut Eve so much as I rebutted his source. Not that being exact has ever been his strong suit.

To be exact, I didn't rebut Eve so much as I rebutted his source. Not that being exact has ever been his strong suit.
well, if we are going to amble down splithairsville boulevard, one could argue that as Eve was the person using said source as the main (indeed only) point behind his thread, by rebutting his source you were in fact rebutting him.

I'm beginning to think Eve actually gets some form of masochistic enjoyment out of being owned so thoroughly. It happens too often to be coincidence.

Mmm, Mr. Brains Faggots (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Mr-Brains-Faggots-Pack.jpg) for the win!

And maybe a faggot (http://www.shopatgood.com/beta_good/pimages/large/2005111518012857.jpg) to cook them on?

Here's other words for faggot:
Fag
Homo
Homo-fucker
Ass clown
Dikeinator
The Deep Squeeze




They can all be used interchangably! HAVE FUN WITH IT!
*bounces up and down* I like Assclown. It unites the terms ass and clown, and clowns are a bunch of asses, so it fits. Wanna see my emotional scar? WEEEEEEEE whoopie pies! *takes a leak on a house plant*

Here's other words for faggot:
Fag
Homo
Homo-fucker
Ass clown
Dikeinator
The Deep Squeeze




They can all be used interchangably! HAVE FUN WITH IT!
*bounces up and down* I like Assclown. It unites the terms ass and clown, and clowns are a bunch of asses, so it fits. Wanna see my emotional scar? WEEEEEEEE whoopie pies! *takes a leak on a house plant*

Cock Jockey.

I like that one personally.

in the UK the word fag is a colloquial term for a cigarette

poof is a colloquial term for a gay

Just wondering if Americans smoked poofs?

oh is someone mounting a campaign to pressure her sponsors to drop her?

interesting.

im sorry but i wont be able to join you in this boycott. i am a believer in free speech and would never try to muzzle anyone, not even anne coulter.
This is a common misconception. "Freedom of speech" does not mean that you are entitled to have your speech published, broadcast, or otherwise propagated by any and all media outlets. If a newspaper declines to publish your speech, this does not constitute a violation of your rights.

Nobody is attempting to violate Ann Coulter's freedom of speech. Consumers are letting various advertisers know their feelings; many people object so strongly to Coulter's behavior that they will choose not to give their money to organizations and businesses that support her financially. They are perfectly within their rights to do this, and the businesses are perfectly within their rights to decide if they want to tie themselves to a personality like Coulter. None of this in any way infringes on Coulter's right to freedom of speech.

This is a common misconception. "Freedom of speech" does not mean that you are entitled to have your speech published, broadcast, or otherwise propagated by any and all media outlets. If a newspaper declines to publish your speech, this does not constitute a violation of your rights.

Nobody is attempting to violate Ann Coulter's freedom of speech. Consumers are letting various advertisers know their feelings; many people object so strongly to Coulter's behavior that they will choose not to give their money to organizations and businesses that support her financially. They are perfectly within their rights to do this, and the businesses are perfectly within their rights to decide if they want to tie themselves to a personality like Coulter. None of this in any way infringes on Coulter's right to freedom of speech.
Exactly. In fact, most large corporations don't advertise on any political websites these days simply because they don't want the headache. Besides, it's the right who's so fond of the saying "speech has consequences," right? Well, these are the consequences of Coulter's speech--she's losing ad revenue.

Not that it will last. She'll take a short-term hit and be right back out there in two months. If it took Pastor Ted 3 weeks to cure himself of teh gay, it won't take more than twice that for Coulter to be accepted in "polite company" again.

Here's other words for faggot:
Fag
Homo
Homo-fucker
Ass clown
Dikeinator
The Deep Squeeze




They can all be used interchangably! HAVE FUN WITH IT!
*bounces up and down* I like Assclown. It unites the terms ass and clown, and clowns are a bunch of asses, so it fits. Wanna see my emotional scar? WEEEEEEEE whoopie pies! *takes a leak on a house plant*

What about chocolate thief?

gee..Eve hasn't replied since Nazz rebutted his rather feeble attempt of protecting Coulter.

Wonder why?Oh, he didn't reply in the 2 hours and 45 minutes between posting the thread and The Nazz' reply, either. Classic little hit-and-run. The feebleness of the premise must have become too painfully clear even for him.

in the UK the word fag is a colloquial term for a cigarette

poof is a colloquial term for a gay

Just wondering if Americans smoked poofs?

Seeing as "smoke" is a colloquialism for kill, yes, it happens.

The word is not offensive in a vacuum, and whether or not 'liberal blogs' also have that specific word in them is completely irrelevant ( a tu quoqe fallacy if you're using one to justify the other ).

The liberal blog posts are clearly using them as a slur. Go read the link.

The liberal blog posts are clearly using them as a slur. Go read the link.We did.

We did.

Looked like slurs to me.

So, if we're going to be fair, anyone who uses the words as a slur should have their sponsors contacts (and probably yanked).

The liberal blog posts are clearly using them as a slur. Go read the link.

We did.

At least in the case of Daily Kos. We also linked directly to the diaries concerned so you don't even have to go through the middle-man. Go read them, by all means, Eve. Then come back and admit you were wrong.

:rolleyes: all this over a bloody word i may as well post this in the v word thread too

Looked like slurs to me. That's funny. Mind springing for an example or ten? You could use The Nazz' post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12400649#post12400649) as a starting point for a direct rebuttal, should make your work easier.

So, if we're going to be fair, anyone who uses the words as a slur should have their sponsors contacts (and probably yanked)."Should"? I didn't see anybody being forced to contact the companies advertising on Coulter's site. Would it be nice if it was done? Why, yes. :)

oh is someone mounting a campaign to pressure her sponsors to drop her?

interesting.

im sorry but i wont be able to join you in this boycott. i am a believer in free speech and would never try to muzzle anyone, not even anne coulter.

This is the great thing about a free capitalist system. She has every right to say what she wishes.

And those that give her money are free to decide whether or not they wish to support someone who says what she says.

I would never dream of denying her the right to say it. And i would never dream of denying her advertisers the right to chose not to give money to someone they disagree with.

She is free to say what she pleases. And those companies are free to pull their support of her if she says something they don't like.

Aint freedom grand?

So, if we're going to be fair, anyone who uses the words as a slur should have their sponsors contacts (and probably yanked).

"should"? Who is going to force people to make sure? If you want to, go the hell ahead. Nobody's stopping you.

This is the great thing about a free capitalist system. She has every right to say what she wishes.

And those that give her money are free to decide whether or not they wish to support someone who says what she says.

I would never dream of denying her the right to say it. And i would never dream of denying her advertisers the right to chose not to give money to someone they disagree with.

She is free to say what she pleases. And those companies are free to pull their support of her if she says something they don't like.

Aint freedom grand?After all, it's not like anyone is trying to pressure her ISP to take her site down. That would be an attempt to stifle free speech. It's not even like people are spamming the shit out of her site or making DOS attacks on her site. They're just contacting advertisers and asking if they want to be associated with the sort of things Coulter says, and many are saying "no, and what's more, we didn't know we were advertising there in the first place."

What the fuck is the point of this thread?

What the fuck is the point of this thread?

It's another installment of Eve's favorite game--the false equivalency.

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in the UK the word fag is a colloquial term for a cigarette

poof is a colloquial term for a gay

Just wondering if Americans smoked poofs?
It’s like ‘bum’ and ‘fanny’.

The American ‘fanny’ is the same as the British ‘bum’. But the British ‘fanny’ is something entirely different; as is the American ‘bum’.

So ‘fanny packs’ sound very naughty to us Brits.

And ‘sitting on your bum’ sounds rather cruel to Americans.

Ahh, English. We love you.