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Greenhouse gas emissions...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/05/MNG18OFHF21.DTL&type=science

So stop saying the US is the number one producer of greenhouse gases...

Well, maybe we should set a good example for them...

Besides, just because someone else is worse than us doesn't make everything OK.

So stop saying the US is the number one producer of greenhouse gases...

No.

I call for invasion.

Oh that really sucks America is suppose to be number 1 at everything.

Yes, woohooo the US will be #2 now. So what about the emission per person? Is the US #1 in that case?

Hey, I don't believe man-made climate change is established either: But for the health of our citizenry alone, we shouldn't proudly justify that we're not number one anymore- especially when its China we're comparing ourselves to.

Greenhouse gas emissions...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/05/MNG18OFHF21.DTL&type=science

So stop saying the US is the number one producer of greenhouse gases...Don't worry, we'll just switch to saying that the USA is the biggest greenhouse gas producer per capita. Means that China would have to be producing roughly 3 times as much CO2 as the USA to overtake them in that deparment. ;)

Don't worry, we'll just switch to saying that the USA is the biggest greenhouse gas producer per capita.

I thought Canada was? I'll have to look it up, but I read somewhere the average Canadian produces the most greenhouse gas, not the average American.

*Edit: No sorry, they're third behind the United States- Luxembourg is number 1. That was 2003 though, it might have changed.

Don't worry, we'll just switch to saying that the USA is the biggest greenhouse gas producer per capita.
And you'd still be wrong: Australia has been ahead of the USA the per capita game as long as such things have been scientifically charted.
I think it has to do with all the juice that leather-clad biker gangs have to burn up in order to get from one city to the next.

Yes, woohooo the US will be #2 now. So what about the emission per person? Is the US #1 in that case?

Considering China has over four times the population of the USA I reckon its a safe bet !

China = 1.3 billion (methinks)
U.S. = .3 billion

The fact we're even close to them in greenhouse emissions speaks volumes, and no one can contest we are not the most wasteful society in the world.

What is the point of this thread?

Eve proving that...

Eve Online = 3(Deep Kimchi)/2

what about the emission per person? Is the US #1 in that case?

As I understand it, the US never has been, so long as its been recorded.

What is the point of this thread?

What is the point of this thread?

China pimping?

What is the point of this thread?

There isn't.
Anyhoo, the MASSIVE population difference between China and the US says more about the wastefulness of the US population. You can't deny that American society does need to become more sustainable.
Or, we're all fucked.

There isn't.
Anyhoo, the MASSIVE population difference between China and the US says more about the wastefulness of the US population. You can't deny that American society does need to become more sustainable.
Or, we're all fucked.

It was said in another thread and i feel it was a good point. There is also a massive difference in the GDP of both countries. Guess who's is bigger.

I thought Canada was? I'll have to look it up, but I read somewhere the average Canadian produces the most greenhouse gas, not the average American.

*Edit: No sorry, they're third behind the United States- Luxembourg is number 1. That was 2003 though, it might have changed.

And you'd still be wrong: Australia has been ahead of the USA the per capita game as long as such things have been scientifically charted.
I think it has to do with all the juice that leather-clad biker gangs have to burn up in order to get from one city to the next.Well you're both saying I'm wrong. I can't be bothered find tables of CO2 emissions (actual rates or per capita) so... I'll just drag up some article that says the carbon footprint of the average american is higher compared to the average briton, but doesn't state how this was worked out. Fun.

http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?storycode=3076759&newstype=Nioncode=629&navcode=976
11 tonnes of C02 per year per American citizen as opposed to 4 tonnes of CO2 per person per British citizen. (Last time I mucked about with a test that measures carbon footprints I got 1-2 tonnes per year. Yay me. Though I think sustainability is supposed to be about 1 tonne per year - this is probably arbitary).

Greenhouse gas emissions...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/05/MNG18OFHF21.DTL&type=science

So stop saying the US is the number one producer of greenhouse gases...

And why Kyoto is totally stupid as China was exempt from it. Bastards.

And why Kyoto is totally stupid as China was exempt from it. Bastards.

and the US never ratified it

and the US never ratified it

And that was one of the reasons why.

It was said in another thread and i feel it was a good point. There is also a massive difference in the GDP of both countries. Guess who's is bigger.The world currently consumes about 1200 million tonnes of steel a year. Steel production produces a lot of CO2, but unless production methods are improved or demand curbed then any country's contribution to CO2 emissions will be higher than what they physically produce themselves due to the forces they exert on the global market for steel.

So a country may produce no net CO2 itself, but if it's importing steel then it is still contributing to CO2 emissions. Which is what the West does. Heavy industry has relocated to Asia, but the West still demand products that need steel, thus CO2 is no longer produced in the west it is still produced to in meeting western demands.

It was said in another thread and i feel it was a good point. There is also a massive difference in the GDP of both countries. Guess who's is bigger.The world currently consumes about 1200 million tonnes of steel a year. Steel production produces a lot of CO2, but unless production methods are improved or demand curbed then any country's contribution to CO2 emissions will be higher than what they physically produce themselves due to the forces they exert on the global market for steel.

So a country may produce no net CO2 itself, but if it's importing steel then it is still contributing to CO2 emissions. Which is what the West does. Heavy industry has relocated to Asia, but the West still demand products that need steel, thus CO2 is no longer produced in the west it is still produced to in meeting western demands.