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Massive Battlestar Galactica spolier from last night's episode-you've been warned.

Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 17:27
I seriously doubt they killed her off.

EDIT: Bloody timewarps...
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:28
They killed Starbuck.

-or have they?

My fiancee and I have been discussing this and it looks like it could go either way. She feels the raider Starbuck was chasing didn't actually exist, and that Starbuck truly was having a breakdown.

-The raider was seen by nobody else.
-DRADIS did not pick it up at any time
-There was no damage to Starbuck's viper after it supposedly took a hit early in the episode
-Starbuck was known to be in a state of emotional distress
-She was already seeing things (her younger self, for example)
-Nearly all of her charater's loose ends were tied up before her last mission.

I think it did exist and that Starbuck is now a captive of the cylons (presumably Leoben).

-There was damage to her viper during the second(final) encounter
-She was reaching for the eject lever seconds before her viper exploded
-Toward the end of the final, fatal dive, a view from Apollo's viper showed both Starbuck's viper and the cylon heavy raider in the clouds
-DRADIS was known to be unreliable in the region due to interference.
-I think there are still more loose ends to be tied up

Thoughts?
No paradise
05-03-2007, 17:31
Wasn't this show on in the 70's? or is there a new series?
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:36
Wasn't this show on in the 70's? or is there a new series?

It's been "re-imagined" by Sci-Fi and is currently running new episodes.
Imperial isa
05-03-2007, 17:36
we so late on that i have no idea what season we are on
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 17:38
Wasn't this show on in the 70's? or is there a new series?

New and vastly improved.

No, she ain't really dead. They spent way to much time setting up her 'greater purpose and destiny,' and how she was meant for some thing greater, and that big ass vortex she flew over in the first encounter. She might actually be 'dead,' but her character has another phase to go through or something akin to that.

I'm willing to bet, actually, that she's about to find out shes a Cylon.
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 17:40
there is no way in hell they killed starbuck off. especially in such a lame way. if they wanted to kill her she would have gone out in a blaze of glory, not in the midst of an halucination. nor would they have bothered with the whole mother story.

i LOVE this show. its the best sci-fi show ever.
Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 17:41
no that that makes sense since she was a little girl with a mother. was boomer modeled after a real person or was she put into a chaotic situation full grown and passed off as human?

Mmmm...Boomer... *drool*
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 17:42
I'm willing to bet, actually, that she's about to find out shes a Cylon.

yeah i am expecting to see her come out of a cylon bathtub soon.

no that that makes sense since she was a little girl with a mother. was boomer modeled after a real person or was she put into a chaotic situation full grown and passed off as human?
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:45
yeah i am expecting to see her come out of a cylon bathtub soon.

no that that makes sense since she was a little girl with a mother. was boomer modeled after a real person or was she put into a chaotic situation full grown and passed off as human?

The Sharon model wasn't based on a real human. No Cylon is. Sharon had false memories (of childhood on Troy) that enabled her to live believeing she was human.

I don't think Starbuck is Cylon. I do agree with an earlier poster that this is some kind of transformation into a new phase of her character, but either way right now she's in Leoben's hands. I think he was piloting that heavy raider.
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 17:47
i LOVE this show. its the best sci-fi show ever.

Can I get an Amen?

EDIT: F'n sweet, I time warped myself...
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 17:48
yeah i am expecting to see her come out of a cylon bathtub soon.

no that that makes sense since she was a little girl with a mother. was boomer modeled after a real person or was she put into a chaotic situation full grown and passed off as human?

Boomer had memories of being a little girl. And the Cylon humanoids have a biology, so its possible that as a member of the Final Five that she could in fact grow. But I'm willing to bet that she just has memories, there didn't seem to be indication, unless I missed it, that anyone knew her as a kid.
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:53
Can I get an Amen?

EDIT: F'n sweet, I time warped myself...

No amen...

SO SAY WE ALL!
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 17:53
No amen...

SO SAY WE ALL!

Going for the amen was nerdy enough, I couldn't bring myself to whip out the show's amen...
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:56
Boomer had memories of being a little girl. And the Cylon humanoids have a biology, so its possible that as a member of the Final Five that she could in fact grow. But I'm willing to bet that she just has memories, there didn't seem to be indication, unless I missed it, that anyone knew her as a kid.

The biggest reason I dont' think Starbuck can be a Cylon is because one of th ethemes of the show is to explore humanity... for better or for worse. Even the heroes have flaws, and occasionally even the vilest characters do something good. Starbuck is the very perfect example. She's the most "human" character on the entire show, IMHO. If they make her a cylon, they eliminate a huge aspect of the show. They cease to explore the humanity of the characters and give it to the cylons, thus shifting the centerpiece of the series from the colonials to the cylons.

IMHO
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 17:57
Going for the amen was nerdy enough, I couldn't bring myself to whip out the show's amen...

Hey, of you're gonna go, go head first...
Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 17:58
there wasnt a photo of her as a little girl?

There were also photos of Sean Young's character as a kid in Bladerunner, remember?
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 17:59
The biggest reason I dont' think Starbuck can be a Cylon is because one of th ethemes of the show is to explore humanity... for better or for worse. Even the heroes have flaws, and occasionally even the vilest characters do something good. Starbuck is the very perfect example. She's the most "human" character on the entire show, IMHO. If they make her a cylon, they eliminate a huge aspect of the show. They cease to explore the humanity of the characters and give it to the cylons, thus shifting the centerpiece of the series from the colonials to the cylons.

IMHO
One of the things that the Cylons do a lot, and this reflects what your saying about the show, is try and explore human frailties, and Starbuck is riddled with them. Since she'd be part of the Final Five she'd end up being a prophet to the Cylons in their attempts to understand human frailties and humanity itself. It would be a part of humanizing the Cylons and explore the notion of similarities between bitter enemies, and there isn't a more bitter enemy of the Cylons than Starbuck, which actually makes her a prime candidate.

And they plugged the last half of this season as someone finding out they're a Cylon and it wasn't Baltar, but he did recognize one of them when he did see the Final Five.
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 17:59
Boomer had memories of being a little girl. And the Cylon humanoids have a biology, so its possible that as a member of the Final Five that she could in fact grow. But I'm willing to bet that she just has memories, there didn't seem to be indication, unless I missed it, that anyone knew her as a kid.

there wasnt a photo of her as a little girl?
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 18:00
Hey, of you're gonna go, go head first...

Point
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:00
there wasnt a photo of her as a little girl?

Only in her hallucination of being at her mother's bedside at the time of death.
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 18:05
wasnt it the aussie cylon who saw the final 5 and recognized one?
Right, sorry.
Intangelon
05-03-2007, 18:05
SO SAY WE ALL!

My BSG-watching friends and I have talked through speculations of Kara Thrace being a cylon...given that she was reaching for her EJECT handle before her Viper succumbed to the "damage"/pressure of the heavy atmosphere.

However, she would be subjected to the same pressures, and a suit is unlikely to be as resistant to forces lke that than a Viper. Now, that bieng said, she was flying around in that vortex, and vorticies bring down the pressure from higher altitudes closer to the "hard deck". That's reaching, but if she's been picked up, it's either by Leoben in the not-so-imaginary Heavy Raider or that vortex is more than just a Coriolis storm (mixing sci-fi worlds there, but you get the point).

In short, she's either been vortexed into another plane/dimension/reality or she's been picked up by the cylon who helped her understand her mother.

Either way, she's not dead. Not like that.
Infinite Revolution
05-03-2007, 18:05
star bucks has been killed? excellent! i didn't see it on the news though.

[/not worth reading]
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 18:06
One of the things that the Cylons do a lot, and this reflects what your saying about the show, is try and explore human frailties, and Starbuck is riddled with them. Since she'd be part of the Final Five she'd end up being a prophet to the Cylons in their attempts to understand human frailties and humanity itself. It would be a part of humanizing the Cylons and explore the notion of similarities between bitter enemies, and there isn't a more bitter enemy of the Cylons than Starbuck, which actually makes her a prime candidate.

And they plugged the last half of this season as someone finding out they're a Cylon and it wasn't Baltar, but he did recognize one of them when he did see the Final Five.

wasnt it the aussie cylon who saw the final 5 and recognized one?
Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 18:09
wasnt it the aussie cylon who saw the final 5 and recognized one?


You mean the one played by Lucy Lawless? Um...she's from New Zealand, not Australia.
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 18:12
SO SAY WE ALL!

My BSG-watching friends and I have talked through speculations of Kara Thrace being a cylon...given that she was reaching for her EJECT handle before her Viper succumbed to the "damage"/pressure of the heavy atmosphere.

However, she would be subjected to the same pressures, and a suit is unlikely to be as resistant to forces lke that than a Viper. Now, that bieng said, she was flying around in that vortex, and vorticies bring down the pressure from higher altitudes closer to the "hard deck". That's reaching, but if she's been picked up, it's either by Leoben in the not-so-imaginary Heavy Raider or that vortex is more than just a Coriolis storm (mixing sci-fi worlds there, but you get the point).

In short, she's either been vortexed into another plane/dimension/reality or she's been picked up by the cylon who helped her understand her mother.

Either way, she's not dead. Not like that.

she did say that she would see apollo on the other side.
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:13
One of the things that the Cylons do a lot, and this reflects what your saying about the show, is try and explore human frailties, and Starbuck is riddled with them. Since she'd be part of the Final Five she'd end up being a prophet to the Cylons in their attempts to understand human frailties and humanity itself. It would be a part of humanizing the Cylons and explore the notion of similarities between bitter enemies, and there isn't a more bitter enemy of the Cylons than Starbuck, which actually makes her a prime candidate.

And they plugged the last half of this season as someone finding out they're a Cylon and it wasn't Baltar, but he did recognize one of them when he did see the Final Five.

You make a good point.

So speaking of Deanna recognizing one of the final 5, she clearly recognized the face as someone she'd met before... I'm trying to remember.. did Deanna or one of her copies ever meet Starbuck that we know of?
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:15
You mean the one played by Lucy Lawless? Um...she's from New Zealand, not Australia.

Ya the cylon goes by the name "Deanna"
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 18:27
You make a good point.

So speaking of Deanna recognizing one of the final 5, she clearly recognized the face as someone she'd met before... I'm trying to remember.. did Deanna or one of her copies ever meet Starbuck that we know of?

was she there when starbuck retrieved the arrow of apollo?
Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 18:31
Not in person. in fact, I'm not sure that we had even seen her yet at that point in the series.

Yes, we had.
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:31
was she there when starbuck retrieved the arrow of apollo?

Not in person. in fact, I'm not sure that we had even seen her yet at that point in the series.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:33
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT, SKIP THIS POST IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE SHOW. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

In my opinion, her body did die. If the pressure was so great the viper imploded, and since Apollo told the Admiral that there was no use sending in a rescue Raptor, her odds of dying drastically went up even if she ejected.

However, if her special destiny was to die, that is not special. Head-Leoban told her "I am here to guide you inbetween life and death." Only cylons go between life and death. Humans just die.

However the cylon raider was real. In the last scene before the Viper imploded, from Apollos Viper, you could clearly see the cylon raider. So if she did not die, then the raider picked her up. Remember what the Oracle told her, Leoban is coming for you soon. We also know that the head leoban was not leoban, by his comment at the end of the show. So if she did eject and did not die the raider must have saved her. However I hope this is not the case.

You have to rememeber also what the trailer for season 3.5 stated.

One will die, One will find out they are a cylon, and one will find earth.

My theory is, Starbuck dies. Since Baltar is not a cylon, it has to be Starbuck, and since she vanishes, she may be the one to find Earth. It will keep with the theme of the show. On the bright side, No More KARA/LEE shipper crap for the rest of the season :)
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 18:34
Not in person. in fact, I'm not sure that we had even seen her yet at that point in the series.

hmmm

thats the only time i can think of where she would have seen her.

unless there is more to her captivity story than what we have seen.

deanna had quite a strong reaction to the finalfive she recognized as if she she knew that person well.
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:36
Yes, we had.

Right... the reporter who did the Dateline show thing on Galactica... but Starbuck wasn't there at the time anyway.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:39
hmmm

thats the only time i can think of where she would have seen her.

unless there is more to her captivity story than what we have seen.

deanna had quite a strong reaction to the finalfive she recognized as if she she knew that person well.

She also apoligized to the one she recoginized. The two characters that went through the most hell on NEw Caprica was Tigh and Starbuck. Tigh can not be a cylon as he fought in the first cylon war. That only leaves starbuck. I hate to say it but all signs point to her being one of the final five.
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:41
She also apoligized to the one she recoginized. The two characters that went through the most hell on NEw Caprica was Tigh and Starbuck. Tigh can not be a cylon as he fought in the first cylon war. That only leaves starbuck. I hate to say it but all signs point to her being one of the final five.

but wait... didn't she get tested by Baltar's machine in season 1?

I think the cylon is Tigh's wife
Cluichstan
05-03-2007, 18:41
Didn't Boomer also get tested... :)

Mmmm...Boomer... *drool*
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:43
but wait... didn't she get tested by Baltar's machine in season 1?

I think the cylon is Tigh's wife

Didn't Boomer also get tested... :) Baltar never told the fleet Boomer was a cylon, so why would he tell about Starbuck. Also Baltar loves to sleep with Cylon women. Besides Caprica and Dianna, he also slept with starbuck :)

I would love it if Ellen was one, the show needs her back, or even better Admiral Cain. The RTF would not have most of it's problems if she was around. Then again their might not be much of a RTF left :)
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:45
Didn't Boomer also get tested... :)

Yeah but we KNOW her reult was positive, and Baltar faked the result because she was sitting right in front of him and he was afraid of what she might to if he told her.

Nothing like that happened with Starbuck. We have no reason to suppose Baltar faked her result.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:48
Yeah but we KNOW her reult was positive, and Baltar faked the result because she was sitting right in front of him and he was afraid of what she might to if he told her.

Nothing like that happened with Starbuck. We have no reason to suppose Baltar faked her result.

We also never saw Starbucks results. We only saw boomers. From Baltars past behavior's it is easy to speculate that he would not have told the commander. Like when Boomer told him that there were 8 cylon agents in the fleet, again Baltar neglected to tell anyone. Baltar has that tendancy to keep all of his information to himself.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:50
All of that's true, but we have to go by what we've seen. I think we're safe trusting Baltar'stests since they explicitly showed that Boomer's was positive, and gave Baltar a reason to lie. The testing of Adama and Tigh's Wife were all confused because of the switching back and forth, so we could hav ereasonable doubts about whether Mrs. Tigh, Adama or Roslyn ever really had their test completed.

Well there is 5 final cylons. We could both be right ;)
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 18:51
All of that's true, but we have to go by what we've seen. I think we're safe trusting Baltar'stests since they explicitly showed that Boomer's was positive, and gave Baltar a reason to lie. The testing of Adama and Tigh's Wife were all confused because of the switching back and forth, so we could hav ereasonable doubts about whether Mrs. Tigh, Adama or Roslyn ever really had their test completed.

There are 5 final cylons, we could both be right :)
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 18:52
We also never saw Starbucks results. We only saw boomers. From Baltars past behavior's it is easy to speculate that he would not have told the commander. Like when Boomer told him that there were 8 cylon agents in the fleet, again Baltar neglected to tell anyone. Baltar has that tendancy to keep all of his information to himself.

All of that's true, but we have to go by what we've seen. I think we're safe trusting Baltar'stests since they explicitly showed that Boomer's was positive, and gave Baltar a reason to lie. The testing of Adama and Tigh's Wife were all confused because of the switching back and forth, so we could hav ereasonable doubts about whether Mrs. Tigh, Adama or Roslyn ever really had their test completed.
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 18:57
All of that's true, but we have to go by what we've seen. I think we're safe trusting Baltar'stests since they explicitly showed that Boomer's was positive, and gave Baltar a reason to lie. The testing of Adama and Tigh's Wife were all confused because of the switching back and forth, so we could hav ereasonable doubts about whether Mrs. Tigh, Adama or Roslyn ever really had their test completed.

Whose results did Baltar respond to with "I'll never tell." when asked by his hallucination?
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 19:02
Well there is 5 final cylons. We could both be right ;)

Tru dat
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 19:03
Whose results did Baltar respond to with "I'll never tell." when asked by his hallucination?

It was during the fiasco where Mrs Tigh's and Adama's tests kept getting switched.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 20:11
No matter what happens, they did promise on the show to let us know who one of the final five are by the end of the season.

Any takers on what we should name the final four after the fact.

My vote is the Fantastic Four :)
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 20:16
No matter what happens, they did promise on the show to let us know who one of the final five are by the end of the season.

Any takers on what we should name the final four after the fact.

My vote is the Fantastic Four :)

ooo they did?

when does the season end?
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 20:17
April 1st, and I am not kidding Season 4 starts up in January along with a Direct to DVD movie of BSG. Rumor has it the movie will be about the Pegasus.
Ashmoria
05-03-2007, 20:25
April 1st, and I am not kidding Season 4 starts up in January along with a Direct to DVD movie of BSG. Rumor has it the movie will be about the Pegasus.

ill buy it!

thanks for the info.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 20:51
My pleasure :)
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 22:19
April 1st, and I am not kidding Season 4 starts up in January along with a Direct to DVD movie of BSG. Rumor has it the movie will be about the Pegasus.

9 months with no BSG................................

:mad: :(
Utracia
05-03-2007, 22:25
They would never kill off Starbuck. She'll be back in one form or another. Her character is one of the best on the show. Killing her off makes zero sense. The entire episode is on her past and her destiny and then she just dies? I don't think so. I just hope they don't take too long to bring about her return.
Yderia II
05-03-2007, 22:31
Im betting one of the final five will either be a really big character, perhaps Adama or Roslin, or one of the less well known ones who is in a key position, like the new woman that is Roslin's aid and took over afer Billy died (still in mourining for Billy :()
Cannot think of a name
05-03-2007, 22:39
Im betting one of the final five will either be a really big character, perhaps Adama or Roslin, or one of the less well known ones who is in a key position, like the new woman that is Roslin's aid and took over afer Billy died (still in mourining for Billy :()

I actually felt bad for Billy, too. I was rooting for him to hook up with that communications or whatever her job is chick.
Kecibukia
05-03-2007, 22:42
Exactly, we loved Our Billy! Damn them for killing him off!! :(


What if Billy's the cylon. Then they could bring him back.
Utracia
05-03-2007, 22:43
I actually felt bad for Billy, too. I was rooting for him to hook up with that communications or whatever her job is chick.

Dee. And I believe she is the communications officer.
Yderia II
05-03-2007, 22:43
I actually felt bad for Billy, too. I was rooting for him to hook up with that communications or whatever her job is chick.

Exactly, we loved Our Billy! Damn them for killing him off!! :(
Neo Bretonnia
05-03-2007, 22:48
Dee. And I believe she is the communications officer.

Not to mention Apollo's wife formerly the XO of Pegasus!
Utracia
05-03-2007, 22:50
Not to mention Apollo's wife formerly the XO of Pegasus!

Apollo worked much better with Starbuck. But I guess they had to have him be with Dee so they could have a soap opera element to the show...
Teh_pantless_hero
05-03-2007, 23:00
I would say it's the "Stuck on the planet with a Cylon" sidestory that happened in the original Battlestar, but they recycled that in Season 1 or 2.
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 23:03
9 months with no BSG................................

:mad: :(

yep, so you have time to have a baby and be back in time for season 4. DO not worry though the DVD BSG movie will be out sometime in September. I doubt BIlly will be a cylon, since the actor wanted to leave the show. Realistically there is a 0 percent chance Billy will be back, unless they offer him a lot of money.
Deep World
05-03-2007, 23:05
All of that's true, but we have to go by what we've seen. I think we're safe trusting Baltar'stests since they explicitly showed that Boomer's was positive, and gave Baltar a reason to lie. The testing of Adama and Tigh's Wife were all confused because of the switching back and forth, so we could hav ereasonable doubts about whether Mrs. Tigh, Adama or Roslyn ever really had their test completed.

It couldn't possibly be Roslyn or Adama. Roslyn was cured of her cancer by Hera's antibodies and Adama had to undergo major surgery after Sharon shot him, and you think they might have noticed something odd even if he was a remarkably good human replica. Besides, if he was a cylon, why would Sharon be ordered to kill him at all? Wouldn't it have been far simpler to activate him if he was a sleeper agent? Plus, he has a son (and used to have another), and the only cylon/human hybrid known to exist is Hera.

I don't think it's Starbuck, either; her death is certainly unexpected but I think it will have entirely different consequences. Did anyone else notice that the vortex looked almost exactly like the Eye of Jupiter symbol? I don't think that was mere coincidence. I suspect that the events that transpired there will end up resulting in a major discovery.

My theory on the Final Five is that they were models that made the same discovery as D'Anna about the space between life and death and the priest put each one into cold storage, just as they did with D'Anna. So now there are a Final Six. The other models had their memories wiped of the whole incident each time it happened, with only the priest keeping the knowledge of it so that he could stop it when it happened again. Baltar is one of the final five, but he had a malfunction when the rest of his kind were deactivated and the cylons lost control of him. He escaped and ended up in the colonies where he may very well have had a "normal" childhood (an intriguing possibility: perhaps he was an experiment in growth) but always knew he was different... but his only link to his true past is through Caprica 5.

(I'm sure that if you don't watch the show you're thoroughly confused by now) :confused:
Orthodox Gnosticism
05-03-2007, 23:05
It couldn't possibly be Roslyn or Adama. Roslyn was cured of her cancer by Hera's antibodies and Adama had to undergo major surgery after Sharon shot him, and you think they might have noticed something odd even if he was a remarkably good human replica. Besides, if he was a cylon, why would Sharon be ordered to kill him at all? Wouldn't it have been far simpler to activate him if he was a sleeper agent? Plus, he has a son (and used to have another), and the only cylon/human hybrid known to exist is Hera.

I don't think it's Starbuck, either; her death is certainly unexpected but I think it will have entirely different consequences. Did anyone else notice that the vortex looked almost exactly like the Eye of Jupiter symbol? I don't think that was mere coincidence. I suspect that the events that transpired there will end up resulting in a major discovery.

My theory on the Final Five is that they were models that made the same discovery as D'Anna about the space between life and death and the priest put each one into cold storage, just as they did with D'Anna. So now there are a Final Six. The other models had their memories wiped of the whole incident each time it happened, with only the priest keeping the knowledge of it so that he could stop it when it happened again. Baltar is one of the final five, but he had a malfunction when the rest of his kind were deactivated and the cylons lost control of him. He escaped and ended up in the colonies where he may very well have had a "normal" childhood (an intriguing possibility: perhaps he was an experiment in growth) but always knew he was different... but his only link to his true past is through Caprica 5.

(I'm sure that if you don't watch the show you're thoroughly confused by now) :confused:

You forget though the Final FIve had some sort of falling out with the "signifigant seven." THe Seven known cylons do not talk about the final five, nor do they know who they are. When Number 3 found out who the final 5 were, her entire model was boxed. So Adama can be a cylon, and Sharon could have been ordered to kill him.

However Admiral Adama cna;t be a cylon since he fought in the first cylon war, and the "skinjob" cylons did not exist until very recently.
Deus Malum
05-03-2007, 23:10
It couldn't possibly be Roslyn or Adama. Roslyn was cured of her cancer by Hera's antibodies and Adama had to undergo major surgery after Sharon shot him, and you think they might have noticed something odd even if he was a remarkably good human replica. Besides, if he was a cylon, why would Sharon be ordered to kill him at all? Wouldn't it have been far simpler to activate him if he was a sleeper agent? Plus, he has a son (and used to have another), and the only cylon/human hybrid known to exist is Hera.

I don't think it's Starbuck, either; her death is certainly unexpected but I think it will have entirely different consequences. Did anyone else notice that the vortex looked almost exactly like the Eye of Jupiter symbol? I don't think that was mere coincidence. I suspect that the events that transpired there will end up resulting in a major discovery.

My theory on the Final Five is that they were models that made the same discovery as D'Anna about the space between life and death and the priest put each one into cold storage, just as they did with D'Anna. So now there are a Final Six. The other models had their memories wiped of the whole incident each time it happened, with only the priest keeping the knowledge of it so that he could stop it when it happened again. Baltar is one of the final five, but he had a malfunction when the rest of his kind were deactivated and the cylons lost control of him. He escaped and ended up in the colonies where he may very well have had a "normal" childhood (an intriguing possibility: perhaps he was an experiment in growth) but always knew he was different... but his only link to his true past is through Caprica 5.

(I'm sure that if you don't watch the show you're thoroughly confused by now) :confused:

Caprica 6. You fail at BSG.
Deep World
05-03-2007, 23:22
Caprica 6. You fail at BSG.

I was only off by one...

Well, I kinda picked up on the series about halfway through (shortly after they met up with the Pegasus, so I know more about the recent history than the earlier history. I've been trying to catch up but until the DVDs come out there's not a lot I can really do...
Ashlyynn
06-03-2007, 14:49
I was only off by one...

Well, I kinda picked up on the series about halfway through (shortly after they met up with the Pegasus, so I know more about the recent history than the earlier history. I've been trying to catch up but until the DVDs come out there's not a lot I can really do...

Actually the DVD's are out I picked up season 1 at a PX in Iraq while I was stationed there in 2005 and picked up season 2 when I got home since BSG was not something we got to see over there....which iis a sad thing our gov't can not show it to us.

The show is awsome and I love watching it, but I have to agree with some and disagree with others. I do not beleive Starbuck is dead, nor do I beleive she will turn out to be one of the final five. I do think also Baltar has the best chance so far to be one of the final five.
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 14:57
Apollo worked much better with Starbuck. But I guess they had to have him be with Dee so they could have a soap opera element to the show...

Dee's hotter, though. *drool*
Deus Malum
06-03-2007, 16:43
Dee's hotter, though. *drool*

I agree. However Tricia Helfer >> Everyone Else.
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 16:46
I agree. However Tricia Helfer >> Everyone Else.

Meh. No thanks.

http://www.xenite.org/features/grace-park/pics/Grace-Park-Portrait.jpg
FTW!
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 17:21
Grace is hot, but Lucy Lawless or Tricia heifer are hotter. My only question about the show is if the cylons want human/cylon hybrids, why nuke the colonies. With all the clones of 3,6, and 8 out there, I mean they could have an army of the hybrids by now.
Deus Malum
06-03-2007, 17:23
Grace is hot, but Lucy Lawless or Tricia heifer are hotter. My only question about the show is if the cylons want human/cylon hybrids, why nuke the colonies. With all the clones of 3,6, and 8 out there, I mean they could have an army of the hybrids by now.

Because the hybrid idea came after the "Kill all humans" idea. They'd also been trying for a long time, unsuccessfully. Hera is actually the first human/cylon hybrid to survive longer than, like, 3 weeks in the womb.
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 17:34
Because the hybrid idea came after the "Kill all humans" idea. They'd also been trying for a long time, unsuccessfully. Hera is actually the first human/cylon hybrid to survive longer than, like, 3 weeks in the womb.

Yes but that is because those that did not survive "did not have love." At least according to Boomer when she was with Helo on Caprica. I am sure enough guys on this forum alone would be willing to love the cylon women :)
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 17:37
Grace is hot, but Lucy Lawless or Tricia heifer are hotter.

Yes, because blondes are automatically hotter. :rolleyes:
Rhursbourg
06-03-2007, 17:43
They killed off Starbuck the moment they remade Starbuck not like Starbuck
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 17:55
Yes, because blondes are automatically hotter. :rolleyes:

Nope, Beacuse New Zealanders/Canadians are :) (In case you can not tell I am only playing around here)
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 17:56
They killed off Starbuck the moment they remade Starbuck not like Starbuck

I'll take Katie Sackhoff's portrayal of the character over Dirk Benedict's anyday.
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 17:56
They killed off Starbuck the moment they remade Starbuck not like Starbuck

I take it you are in the G.I.N.O. camp. (Galactica In Name Only) Let me see a womanizing Cigar smoker who is a hell of a viper pilot vs. A Cigar Smoking, woman who sleeps with all of the guys and is one hell of a viper pilot. Lot of difference I tell you. :)
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 17:56
Nope, Beacuse New Zealanders/Canadians are :) (In case you can not tell I am only playing around here)


Don't make me post Grace Park's Maxim pics... ;)
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 17:59
Don't make me post Grace Park's Maxim pics... ;)

Don't make me post Tricia's Playboy pictures... wait make me post them :)
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 18:09
Don't make me post Tricia's Playboy pictures... wait make me post them :)

If we do post pics, we'd probably be better off doing it in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519967), rather than hijacking this one any further. ;)
The Mindset
06-03-2007, 18:13
She's dead. If she comes back, it won't be the same actress who plays her, since she gave a massively bitter interview a few weeks ago were she stated she'd moved on with her life and hadn't given Battlestar a thought for a while. They apparently parted on bad terms.
Orthodox Gnosticism
06-03-2007, 18:32
Can you post a link to this interview? I have not read that one yet. Last I heard she liked the show, granted that one was three months ago.
The Mindset
06-03-2007, 18:35
Can you post a link to this interview? I have not read that one yet. Last I heard she liked the show, granted that one was three months ago.

http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/katee_sackhoff_01.htm
Cluichstan
06-03-2007, 18:45
http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/katee_sackhoff_01.htm

Hmmm...you're right. That doesn't look good for her returning.
Utracia
06-03-2007, 18:45
Dee's hotter, though. *drool*

Well I can't deny that, :D but Starbuck's personality is simply one you can't get enough of. If like ballbusters anyway. :p