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I live in a fairly nice neighborhood, but a neighbor about two houses away is in the habit of selling drugs (all kinds).

There's a lot of traffic - but in an attempt to be clever, the customers park about 50 yards away, and walk up to the door. All hours of the day and night, sometimes as many as 100 customers on a Friday night.

The neighbors have been videotaping the people, and the cars, and writing down the times and license plate numbers.

We turned them over to the police.

Last night, at about midnight, the local tactical team blew the door off its hinges, and threw flashbangs into the house. Pretty loud. Then they rushed in and arrested everyone in the house.

This morning, the police have put undercover agents in the house, and customers knocking on the door are being arrested. It's pretty funny to watch (I can see it all from where I'm typing now).

Just around the block, there's a special van with a magistrate in it, so they can process these arrests very quickly.

This is going to be fun.

Three cheers for the war on drugs!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!

Three cheers for the war on drugs!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!
Hip hip hooray!

In this case, in this neighborhood, it appears to be working.

If people want to do this sort of thing, do it somewhere else.

In this case, in this neighborhood, it appears to be working.

If people want to do this sort of thing, do it somewhere else.Hm. A safe haven for drug users? Interesting idea.

Hm. A safe haven for drug users? Interesting idea.

That would be fine with me.

I would also support the government paying for the drugs for people who want to use them. As long as they stay in those areas.

This is going to be fun.

But don't they get in the house before you can get to see them being arrested? o_O

But don't they get in the house before you can get to see them being arrested? o_O

I can see them being taken out the back door in cuffs.

Chuck fire crackers over the fence for shits and giggles :)

Sounds like a great Nelson Muntz moment.

Sounds like a great Nelson Muntz moment.

I have the wav file for Nelson's laugh. I should put the speakers in my open window, and when they haul someone out the back door, playthe laugh sound really loud.

100 customers on a Friday night? People that thick thoroughly deserve to get caught. Why not just hang a big sign over the front door saying: 'Secret crime headquarters'?

Incidentally, I'm thinking of having just such a sign when I get a place of my own. I'm interested to see if the police decide it's a double bluff and raid me.

The police should attempt to deal with the underlying problem here, mortgage fraud.

I don't get why the customers are still coming. I mean, surely something like this would have spread around in the Underground Crime News Network?

I don't get why the customers are still coming. I mean, surely something like this would have spread around in the Underground Crime News Network?

I never met a drug dealer you didn't have to call first. That's just sloppy.

I don't get why the customers are still coming. I mean, surely something like this would have spread around in the Underground Crime News Network?

The customers come from as far as Charlottesville (about 2 hours away by car), and I'm sure they didn't get the news that the house was raided last night.

I never met a drug dealer you didn't have to call first. That's just sloppy.

I'm not sure that's a universal tactic anymore - the police might catch someone in possession and (these days) be able to get access to their phone records.

I'm not sure that's a universal tactic anymore - the police might catch someone in possession and (these days) be able to get access to their phone records.

I guess I also don't go to high volume dealers, either.

I guess I also don't go to high volume dealers, either.

Good. They tend to be very dodgy, both as people and in a 'risk of them getting you caught' kind of way.

I don't get why the customers are still coming. I mean, surely something like this would have spread around in the Underground Crime News Network?

didn't you hear about the impromptu sting operation one narc unit did?

I'll look for the story of the stupid criminals.

but after a drug bust similar to the one EO witnessed, while the cops were there processing and bagging the evidence. A car pulls up and the driver gets out and walks past the police cars with the flashing lights, the uniformed officers with SWAT on their vests, and asks one of em if this was the house selling drugs and if there were still some for sale. the officer looked at the man, said "Yeah, go around back."

while the would be convict walked around the house, he radioed the officers inside where the plain clothes officer (who initiated the raid) answered the door.

"hey, you got some weed? I'm buying."
"Uh... sure. How much you got?"
"er... $100."
"be a sec." the officer goes to the stash and just grabs a handful of weed, stuffs it in a ziplock bag (about $500 worth) and hands it to the buyer.
"Wow... thanks... hey where's (gives the name of the owner of the house)"

"oh, he's out. asked me to look after things here."
"cool... see yah." and the druggie walks back around towards his car, parked next to all the cops with their cars and is promptly arrested.

you'ld think that was the end of the story right?

well, according to the officer there... while they were handcuffing that deadhead, another car pulls up and two guys get out, and yep... ask if this was where they could buy some good weed.
Officer handcuffing first druggie, "Yeah, just head around back and ask for 'gives name of undercover cop's alias" and off they went.
so while they are handcuffing those two... another car pulls up...

after the fourth car, they decide to hide the marked cars and continue the sting. the officer writing the story couldn't believe how many they arrested that day.

so it don't matter if word is spread... they won't care. :p

didn't you hear about the impromptu sting operation one narc unit did?
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Heheh. Another problem with large scale dealers. More customers = more complete morons who will draw attention to you by their idiotic behaviour.

That's awesome. My own neighbor was busted for drugs and they not only got SWAT on his ass; they had helicopters flying over the house too.

Something about this story is not comforting me right. Did the police/FBI do their own investigations concerning the community's complaints (surveillance cameras, planting a mole, etc)? Taking over a house and then arresting any potential visitor is also a concerning thing, what about if that visitor was not a customer but a relative?

Something about this story is not comforting me right. Did the police/FBI do their own investigations concerning the community's complaints (surveillance cameras, planting a mole, etc)? Taking over a house and then arresting any potential visitor is also a concerning thing, what about if that visitor was not a customer but a relative?

US police don't care about things like guilt or innocence. Or crime even. They just like to run around looking for easy targets in the "war" on drugs.

You can't arrest a visitor for visiting. They had to have tried to buy drugs.

If people want to do this sort of thing, do it somewhere else.

Why?

I live in a fairly nice neighborhood, but a neighbor about two houses away is in the habit of selling drugs (all kinds).

There's a lot of traffic - but in an attempt to be clever, the customers park about 50 yards away, and walk up to the door. All hours of the day and night, sometimes as many as 100 customers on a Friday night.

The neighbors have been videotaping the people, and the cars, and writing down the times and license plate numbers.

We turned them over to the police.

Last night, at about midnight, the local tactical team blew the door off its hinges, and threw flashbangs into the house. Pretty loud. Then they rushed in and arrested everyone in the house.

This morning, the police have put undercover agents in the house, and customers knocking on the door are being arrested. It's pretty funny to watch (I can see it all from where I'm typing now).

Just around the block, there's a special van with a magistrate in it, so they can process these arrests very quickly.

This is going to be fun.

Nice.

I have the wav file for Nelson's laugh. I should put the speakers in my open window, and when they haul someone out the back door, playthe laugh sound really loud.

yes you should and tape it and post it here.

i don't get this though, all this for selling weed? jeez don't they have some real crime to fight?
and it would be better if governement controled the selling of drugs.

Hm. A safe haven for drug users? Interesting idea.

I think it's called Belgium or is it the Netherlands?

Honestly, I think it's you lot who needs to be arrested.

The Netherlands :)

And it only applies to soft drugs (mushrooms, marijuana).

I think it's called Belgium or is it the Netherlands?

it's the netherlands, where you can legaly buy weed, here they just don't prosecute you for it. i don't know about the other drugs, but i think that if you don't cause to many problems you shouldn't fear the police to much.

I don't get why the customers are still coming. I mean, surely something like this would have spread around in the Underground Crime News Network?

People who use illegal drugs aren't the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree. Besides the raid happened last night and it takes time for the word to get out.

Why?

Because Eve Online opposes free markets, free trade, and personal liberty.

Because Eve Online opposes free markets, free trade, and personal liberty.

But only in his neighborhood.

As long as whatever problems he has with them are only brought upon others, he is unconcerned.

But only in his neighborhood.

As long as whatever problems he has with them are only brought upon others, he is unconcerned.

Yeah I'd say he suffers from NIMBYism too.

Something about this story is not comforting me right. Did the police/FBI do their own investigations concerning the community's complaints (surveillance cameras, planting a mole, etc)? Taking over a house and then arresting any potential visitor is also a concerning thing, what about if that visitor was not a customer but a relative?

Im pretty sure you actually have to ask for the drugs before they lead you inside and arrest you. If his aunt came to visit, I doubt they's cuff her as she walked to the door.

Had there been any violence in your neighborhood because of this dealer? Any theft?

I bet not...

So why did you turn them in? Because we're wasting perfectly good money catching stoners?

Figures.

Something about this story is not comforting me right. Did the police/FBI do their own investigations concerning the community's complaints (surveillance cameras, planting a mole, etc)? Taking over a house and then arresting any potential visitor is also a concerning thing, what about if that visitor was not a customer but a relative?

depends on the information given, call history of the place (several complaints in the past) and the time frame between when the info was given and the raid.

Had there been any violence in your neighborhood because of this dealer? Any theft?

I bet not...

So why did you turn them in? Because we're wasting perfectly good money catching stoners?

Figures.Because there was potential for such? I'd have done the same thing.

I live in a fairly nice neighborhood, but a neighbor about two houses away is in the habit of selling drugs (all kinds).

There's a lot of traffic - but in an attempt to be clever, the customers park about 50 yards away, and walk up to the door. All hours of the day and night, sometimes as many as 100 customers on a Friday night.

The neighbors have been videotaping the people, and the cars, and writing down the times and license plate numbers.

We turned them over to the police.

Last night, at about midnight, the local tactical team blew the door off its hinges, and threw flashbangs into the house. Pretty loud. Then they rushed in and arrested everyone in the house.

This morning, the police have put undercover agents in the house, and customers knocking on the door are being arrested. It's pretty funny to watch (I can see it all from where I'm typing now).

Just around the block, there's a special van with a magistrate in it, so they can process these arrests very quickly.

This is going to be fun.

Are you one of the people who turned over video and license numbers to the police?

If not, still really really funny.

If so, my opinion of you just went up a notch.

Are you one of the people who turned over video and license numbers to the police?

If not, still really really funny.

If so, my opinion of you just went up a notch.

I'm one of the two with a camera. The other neighbors write down license numbers as they can.

Since I have a clear shot of the front and rear of the house (it's at right angles to the side of my house), I can use one camera to cover everything.

i don't get this though, all this for selling weed? jeez don't they have some real crime to fight?
and it would be better if governement controled the selling of drugs.

The OP said 'all kinds' of drugs. Obviously not every kind of drug going, but I took it to mean puff, pills and powders.

I agree that state/government controlled supply would be preferable to a black market. However, that's not likely to happen any time soon, and in the meantime I wouldn't be keen on having crack heads and smack heads showing up in my street.

I'm one of the two with a camera. The other neighbors write down license numbers as they can.

Since I have a clear shot of the front and rear of the house (it's at right angles to the side of my house), I can use one camera to cover everything.

That is awesome.

Something about this story is not comforting me right. Did the police/FBI do their own investigations concerning the community's complaints (surveillance cameras, planting a mole, etc)? Taking over a house and then arresting any potential visitor is also a concerning thing, what about if that visitor was not a customer but a relative?

I'm familiar with how these stings run. They aren't arresting everyone who shows up at the house. They are arresting everyone who tries to buy drugs.

Had there been any violence in your neighborhood because of this dealer? Any theft?

I bet not...

So why did you turn them in? Because we're wasting perfectly good money catching stoners?

Figures.

they were breaking the law and thus introduced a criminal element to his neighborhood. So he had that criminal element removed.

What the fuck's the problem here?

I'm one of the two with a camera. The other neighbors write down license numbers as they can.

Well it's brave of you to claim credit for it here. Don't you think one or two of those people who went out to score and went home with a criminal record might be a bit ... resentful? That they might blame you instead of blaming themselves?

Of course, that wouldn't worry you if you'd just made the whole thing up.

Since I have a clear shot of the front and rear of the house (it's at right angles to the side of my house), I can use one camera to cover everything.

Perhaps you should drop around to the house on the other side of the dealer's place, and let them know you've been boasting on a forum. Then they'd have at least some idea why strangers are coming by and breaking their windows.

Oh, and I think you'll find that taking pictures of people who are on private property isn't legal nor admissible as evidence. When they're out in the street it's OK.

they were breaking the law and thus introduced a criminal element to his neighborhood. So he had that criminal element removed.

What the fuck's the problem here?

The fact that this "crime" is the selling of a drug much less lethal and harmful to a person than certain drugs currently available legally, such as tobacco and alcohol? The fact that the "War on Drugs" is a serious waste of time, money, and effort when we should really legalize and regulate these drugs because we'd not only collapse the black markets but also create a new industry overnight AND lower crime signficantly? Because in general Eve Online here is being an asshole?

Look, if it was something horrible like crystal meth I'd agree with you, but it's freaking marijuana!

The fact that this "crime" is the selling of a drug much less lethal and harmful to a person than certain drugs currently available legally, such as tobacco and alcohol? The fact that the "War on Drugs" is a serious waste of time, money, and effort when we should really legalize and regulate these drugs because we'd not only collapse the black markets but also create a new industry overnight AND lower crime signficantly? Because in general Eve Online here is being an asshole?

Look, if it was something horrible like crystal meth I'd agree with you, but it's freaking marijuana!

Has it been said that it's ONLY marijuana sold at the house?

In this case, in this neighborhood, it appears to be working.

If people want to do this sort of thing, do it somewhere else.
Like Miami or New York?

I live in a fairly nice neighborhood, but a neighbor about two houses away is in the habit of selling drugs (all kinds).

There's a lot of traffic - but in an attempt to be clever, the customers park about 50 yards away, and walk up to the door. All hours of the day and night, sometimes as many as 100 customers on a Friday night.

The neighbors have been videotaping the people, and the cars, and writing down the times and license plate numbers.

We turned them over to the police.

Last night, at about midnight, the local tactical team blew the door off its hinges, and threw flashbangs into the house. Pretty loud. Then they rushed in and arrested everyone in the house.

This morning, the police have put undercover agents in the house, and customers knocking on the door are being arrested. It's pretty funny to watch (I can see it all from where I'm typing now).

Just around the block, there's a special van with a magistrate in it, so they can process these arrests very quickly.

This is going to be fun.

That sounds awesome. Videotape it for youtube!

Has it been said that it's ONLY marijuana sold at the house?

Thus far nothing has been said other than Eve's words about the event. I've not seen a single news link.

Thus far nothing has been said other than Eve's words about the event. I've not seen a single news link.

usually sting operations would not be announced until the sting was done.

sometimes it won't be announced until the trials/verdicts to insure a pure jury pool.

so it's premature to assume what type of drugs, but if half of the cars inferred were drug buyers/sellers, I doubt it was just marijuana. but that's only my opinion.

All you chaps talking about how marijuana is fine are delusional. There was some report recently that marijuana can lead to severe brain damage. Why do people insist on putting this rubbish in them?

All you chaps talking about how marijuana is fine are delusional. There was some report recently that marijuana can lead to severe brain damage. Why do people insist on putting this rubbish in them?

I've also heard reports about how a certain component in marijuana can be used to halt/cure Alzheimer's. And of course you have medical marijuana.

Quite honestly, even at its so-called worst it is nowhere near as bad as tobacco, and that's been legal for centuries. Frankly, I don't see why you have so much of a problem with other people's choices. So they drug themselves? So fucking what? They're not hurting anyone else.

I sympathize with EO, but I also think drugs should be legalized. How, you ask, can I do both? Easy. Home-owner's associations should ban selling drugs in member houses, and own the roads and sidewalks etc. and have the use of drugs on them or stumbling around intoxicated on them be banned. So we get rid of the criminal drug problem AND make sure that there aren't a bunch of stoned idiots stumbling around on the streets.

I sympathize with EO, but I also think drugs should be legalized. How, you ask, can I do both? Easy. Home-owner's associations should ban selling drugs in member houses, and own the roads and sidewalks etc. and have the use of drugs on them or stumbling around intoxicated on them be banned. So we get rid of the criminal drug problem AND make sure that there aren't a bunch of stoned idiots stumbling around on the streets.

kinda like here in Hawaii where it's legal to smoke (tobacco) but illegal to smoke in any public building, partially covered building, mall (open or enclosed), bar, resturant, parking structure, or within 20 feet of any door, window, or other form of ventilation.

they were breaking the law and thus introduced a criminal element to his neighborhood. So he had that criminal element removed.

What the fuck's the problem here?

Is that how you felt about sodomy in 2002? I'll bet not.

So we get rid of the criminal drug problem

Who would enforce your rules?

All you chaps talking about how marijuana is fine are delusional. There was some report recently that marijuana can lead to severe brain damage. Why do people insist on putting this rubbish in them?

woot!
Also in a lot of places there are heavy FINES for selling or buying so the drug busts pay for themselves. and we don't end up with another generation of people who can't hold a job because of use. If you want to make a comparison to alcohol and tobacco, I'm against those too.

I never met a drug dealer you didn't have to call first. That's just sloppy.

yeh, that's a good point. simple common sense that. i'll call bullshit.

Who would enforce your rules?
... watch INTERSTATE 60: Episodes of the Road on DVD.

one town solves that problem. :p