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What firearms do you own and/or wish you owned?

I myself, being cheap and not into hunting, have an ancient (IE: 1960's :P) .22 rifle which I got as a present from my dad, who got it when he was a kid. Its still reasonably accurate and the ammo is dirt cheap.

My current favorite though is my muzzle loader. Some people might call it overcompensation, but frankly, being able to put a .55 calibur hole in something at a hundred yards is awesome. Plus the black powder produces a rather nice cloud of smoke :P
Of course, its a pain to load. Mini balls in particular have to be hammered down into the barrel with a wood block unless you dont value the skin on your fingers.

As to what I want to own...Im currently looking for a Mosin-Nagant 91/30, Ive heard theyre pretty good weapons, plus theyre cheap since the Soviets made about a billion of them during WWII, and they last forever.

My daughter owns a flintlock rifle circa 1840. The stock and wood fittings are curly maple. It was, apparently, custom made.

My son has some variety of Glock.

I have no firearms, just knives.

i wish i owned a SAR-21 , F88 (Steyr AUG) and a Glock 18

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

Three shots per minute is automatic? :P

In any case, some of us enjoy shooting. Im horrible at most sports, but putting a bit of lead inside a target is something I can do.

In any case, this isnt a ZOMG SEKUND AMENDMANT debate thread. If you want to bring up THAT arguement, make another thread.

I have a BB gun.. *shrugs*

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Goomg/newcam/new-cam1041.jpg

Atleast it's pretty..

My muzzle loader is pretty.
I polish her and talk to her and her name is betty.
>_>
<_<

Three shots per minute is automatic? :P

In any case, some of us enjoy shooting. Im horrible at most sports, but putting a bit of lead inside a target is something I can do.

i like fullauto :D

sports i'm same as you ,shooting on the other hand i'm not bad

given a F88 with six rounds in mag on a try before you day army thing hits on the target where one to the head ,four to up body and one unknown

I have a BB gun.. *shrugs*

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Goomg/newcam/new-cam1041.jpg

Atleast it's pretty..

thats all i got left :(

The two I most want are:
Barrett's newest 50cal semiautomatic http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn73-e.htm


and An American 180 http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm

i like fullauto :D

sports i'm same as you ,shooting on the other hand i'm not bad

given a F88 with six rounds in mag on a try before you day army thing hits on the target where one to the head ,four to up body and one unknown

Oh dear, was that a rather naughty wordplay, Mr. isa?

What firearms do you own and/or wish you owned?

I myself, being cheap and not into hunting, have an ancient (IE: 1960's :P) .22 rifle which I got as a present from my dad, who got it when he was a kid. Its still reasonably accurate and the ammo is dirt cheap.

My current favorite though is my muzzle loader. Some people might call it overcompensation, but frankly, being able to put a .55 calibur hole in something at a hundred yards is awesome. Plus the black powder produces a rather nice cloud of smoke :P
Of course, its a pain to load. Mini balls in particular have to be hammered down into the barrel with a wood block unless you dont value the skin on your fingers.

As to what I want to own...Im currently looking for a Mosin-Nagant 91/30, Ive heard theyre pretty good weapons, plus theyre cheap since the Soviets made about a billion of them during WWII, and they last forever.

Yeah, I've got a Nagant, they kick ass- one of the funnest guns I've ever shot. I also have an SKS with 30rd mag extensions, with a bayonet and a grenade launcher attached to it. The grenade launcher is the old type tho, where you have to place that odd shaped grenade on the end of the muzzle- its awesome tho. I also have a berreta .40 cal, benelli Nova and a bolt action 30-06.

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

And then only the state will have power. And the people will be enslaved.

I have alot of guns compared to most people. I have a variety of assualt rifles. Have a Ar-15, couple different versions of the Ak-47, Ak-74. Have a couple shotguns and a variety of handguns. Favorite handgun is my grandfathers .45 service revolver. Every once in a great while will go out with a couple of friends to the country and have a bit of fun.

But yeah, deep down inside what I really crave for is nice m60.....

Own a Romanian SKS, M1 carbine, a .22 semi-auto rifle, and a Turkish T-38 Mauser. I also own a .20ga pump-action, but for the life of me I can't recall the make or model. I usually lean towards older modern military firearms in my preferences. They usually shot well, stand up to less then ideal conditions, and have a sense of history behind them. Another plus is that ammo is cheap for most of them (cept the M1 carbine). Handgun wise I'm not legally old enough to purchase, but of my family's collection I'm fond of my dad's Dan Wesson revolver and there's a High Standard .22 that I'm in love with. Never hunted but am interested, I try to shoot for fun whenever I get the chance. Sport wise, the only sport I really ever enjoyed was golf and even then you'd never be able to call me great.

My brother has a Nagant, and it is an enjoyable gun. It compares well with my Mauser. It's lighter in weight, a bit longer, and has a better sight. My Mauser's action feels a bit smother IMHO and the safety on the Nagant is a bit worthless. Both have great accuracy and can be shot cheaply with surplus ammo. Word of warning on the surplus ammo though, it's usually corrosive so be sure to clean the rifle regularly when shooting it.

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

Oh you know....its to allow the citizenry to protect itself from 'big federal government/anti-Constitutionalists'...which makes me wonder how much bigger the government needs to become or how much more of the Constitution needs to be ripped to shreds before 'the citizenry' will rise...and most likely get shot to pieces.

Oh you know....its to allow the citizenry to protect itself from 'big federal government/anti-Constitutionalists'...which makes me wonder how much bigger the government needs to become or how much more of the Constitution needs to be ripped to shreds before 'the citizenry' will rise...and most likely get shot to pieces.

Shot to peices, have you even ever heard of the war in Iraq????


And as for I rising up I'm currently biding my time, but you're right, the federal government is way out of line and the constitution is practicly dead, I mean 90% of americans don't even know a thing about it nor do they care, we've trashed what this country has given to such a point that maybe we should just let it slide into the path of self destruction cuz were simply not capable of handling ourselves.

Good grief...well maybe not all will get shot to pieces....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070302/ap_on_re_us/ammunition_found;_ylt=AgC_k7aMlvYA.RHIuQG6ETpvzwcF Million rounds of ammo at Calif. house

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

NORCO, Calif. - More than 1 million rounds of ammunition, a cache of weapons and a tunnel were found at a man's home after an explosive fire that forced a neighborhood evacuation, authorities said Friday.

Crews worked to fortify the tunnel, which measured 5 feet wide by 8 feet long, to ensure it was safe. It appeared to be at least 10 feet deep and led into a back yard, authorities said.

The fire Thursday afternoon at the home in Norco, about 45 miles east of Los Angeles, caused some of the ammunition to explode.

The man tried to run back into the house after firefighters arrived and had to be restrained by sheriff's deputies, Riverside County sheriff's Deputy Juan Zamora said.

After the blaze was extinguished, crews discovered metal and wooden boxes of ammunition for shotguns, small handguns and assault rifles.

On Friday, sheriff's deputies and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives combed the house for evidence.

Dozens of metal and cardboard boxes filled with ammunition for shotguns, small handguns and assault rifles sat in a driveway. Two of the assault rifles were illegal, Zamora said.

The man had no permit for 75 pounds of black gunpowder that was also recovered, Zamora said.

No arrests had been made. The man, whose identity was not released, was taken to a hospital where he will receive a psychological evaluation, Zamora said.

Last April, authorities said they found more than 1,300 weapons and 89,000 rounds of ammunition in the San Bernardino County home of a man who claimed to belong to a militant group with aims to overthrow Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Robert Ferro of Upland faces counts of unlawfully owning and failing to register guns.

Good grief...well maybe not all will get shot to pieces....

holy god.....thats....wow....Like i thought i was crazy....wow...just wow...

Shot to peices, have you even ever heard of the war in Iraq????


And as for I rising up I'm currently biding my time, but you're right, the federal government is way out of line and the constitution is practicly dead, I mean 90% of americans don't even know a thing about it nor do they care, we've trashed what this country has given to such a point that maybe we should just let it slide into the path of self destruction cuz were simply not capable of handling ourselves.

Iraq? Never heard of it...what is it? Some kind of meat grinder?

Look. You have a bunch of people holed up in a fortified position. If they are legit targets...you just either use a FAE or Paveway and end of position. Take prisoners?? What are you? Soft?

Ahh yes you* are soft...biding your time...please...you are using that as an excuse to have big guns so you can go to the local gun range to swing your penis. Rise up against the state...you have got to be joking. Now if the inhabitants of the cities rise...that could make things...interesting.

*I don't know you but I will make an assumption that might not be applicable to you but is applicable to others...

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this?

Actually you've got that backwardss. Full-auto weapons have little application in hunting.

It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans,

And we hope to keep it that way.

it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture

Not at all. Do you consider exersicing one's right to vote to be equally a mere gesture?

which is very dangerous.

Exercising one's liberty is dangerous only to those who wish to contoll others.

Only the state should have firearms.

Utterly rediculous suggestion. The ultimate power over the state comes from the ability of the citizenry to dispose of it forthwith.

Iraq? Never heard of it...what is it? Some kind of meat grinder?

Look. You have a bunch of people holed up in a fortified position. If they are legit targets...you just either use a FAE or Paveway and end of position. Take prisoners?? What are you? Soft?

Ahh yes you* are soft...biding your time...please...you are using that as an excuse to have big guns so you can go to the local gun range to swing your penis. Rise up against the state...you have got to be joking. Now if the inhabitants of the cities rise...that could make things...interesting.

*I don't know you but I will make an assumption that might not be applicable to you but is applicable to others...

Well thank you for showing your own steryotpical mindedness and ignorance. I don't live in the backwoods coutnry side. I live in a city of about 1,000,000 people. And sure, I myself could rise alone against a military of about 3 million, and a police force in this city of several thousand.. if the American populace rose against the government it'd be a different story. The Governemnt would lose hands down. But thats not going to happen because Americans dont even know what a constitution is anymore. and what the fuck does this have to do with my penis? I can't really blame you for wanting it so bad, but I dont swing my penis in that direction, so go pedal your homophobic/erotic fantasies elsewhere you dolt.

:rolleyes:

Thats right, you know you want to touch it.

But you can't can you.

Well thank you for showing your own steryotpical mindedness and ignorance. I don't live in the backwoods coutnry side. I live in a city of about 1,000,000 people. And sure, I myself could rise alone against a military of about 3 million, and a police force in this city of several thousand.. if the American populace rose against the government it'd be a different story. The Governemnt would lose hands down. But thats not going to happen because Americans dont even know what a constitution is anymore. and what the fuck does this have to do with my penis? I can't really blame you for wanting it so bad, but I dont swing my penis in that direction, so go fuck yourself fatass.

:rolleyes:

Thats right, you know you want to touch it.

But you can't can you.

I know something you can't do....read.

I know something you can't do....read.

I know something you cant do either,

Its called getting a girl...

Why? first becuase your a nerd, second, because your British.

I know something you can't do....read.

Now run along I've already won the argument. Save yourself more shame. Then maybe you'll find some lucky boy.

I'd like a L82A1 Barrett (http://www.tonyrogers.com/images/weapons/barrettm82a1_02_400px.jpg) you can be sure that I’d make it on the front page should I encounter a moth :D

I know something you cant do either,

Its called getting a girl...

Why? first becuase your a nerd, second, because your British.

Tell you what...come back after you have learned how to spell.

Tell you what...come back after you have learned how to spell.

I dun dont need to dun learn how to spell, cuz im 'Merican and my country owns your country.

:rolleyes:

Like I said, your just mad because Im clearly a better Human Being than you are.

Now run along I've already won the argument. Save yourself more shame. Then maybe you'll find some lucky boy.

:rolleyes:

I know something you cant do either,

Its called getting a girl...

Why? first becuase your a nerd, second, because your British.

well its about lunchtime in England and what 2AM US time what does this tell me that you don‘t know?

1) you clearly have nothing to do on a Saturday

2) that Rubiconic Crossings is avoiding work

3) that British linguistic skills have you beat

4) that your going to get the deat

5) that you have no skillz

well its about lunchtime in England and what 2AM US time what does this tell me that you don‘t know?

1) you clearly have nothing to do on a Saturday

2) that Rubiconic Crossings is avoiding work

3) that British linguistic skills have you beat

4) that your going to get the deat

5) that you have no skillz

Learn to count, its about 5am here, and I work on a different schedual than the 9-5 bs for various reason I wont disscuss on the Internet. As for your British Linguistic skills are way overrated, and are easily over powered by my Dun backwoods southren drawl boy!

and btw "skillz" is so not your word.

I'd like a L82A1 Barrett (http://www.tonyrogers.com/images/weapons/barrettm82a1_02_400px.jpg) you can be sure that I’d make it on the front page should I encounter a moth :D

take that hunting there be nothing left to take home

take that hunting there be nothing left to take home

maybe you could take it whaling?

You've all been Dominated,

I win!

well its about lunchtime in England and what 2AM US time what does this tell me that you don‘t know?

1) you clearly have nothing to do on a Saturday

2) that Rubiconic Crossings is avoiding work

3) that British linguistic skills have you beat

4) that your going to get the deat

5) that you have no skillz

Um...its a Saturday....the only work I need to do is some clothes washing....which I am avoiding...damn...yer right ! LOL

re moderation...not my style...until it gets really out of hand.

Learn to count, its about 5am here, and I work on a different schedual than the 9-5 bs for various reason I wont disscuss on the Internet.

so you work at night and sleep during the day hmmm

As for your British Linguistic skills are way overrated, and are easily over powered by my Dun backwoods southren drawl boy!

so you now think you have the best south eh?

Learn to count, its about 5am here, and I work on a different schedual than the 9-5 bs for various reason I wont disscuss on the Internet. As for your British Linguistic skills are way overrated, and are easily over powered by my Dun backwoods southren drawl boy!

and btw "skillz" is so not your word.

Does that actually make any sense?

No? I thought as much.

Not a gun-toting hick myself, but I reckon I wouldn't mind at least learning how to shoot a normal bolt-action sort of rifle. Maybe a Kar98k, I know those from computer games. ;)

Oh dear, was that a rather naughty wordplay, Mr. isa?

was thinking of a movie where some one goes lets go fullauto then saying lets go automatic

maybe you could take it whaling?

or hunting in Africa, both be fun

take that hunting there be nothing left to take home

Depends on what you're hunting...

Squirrels - yep nothing left (unless you prcatice the old style hunting where you shoot the branch out from under the squirrel and he's killed by a combo of the fall and the shrapnel - popular with the .50 black poweder hunters.)

Deer - various - depends on where youy hit.

Big dangerous game like Cape Buffalo or Elephant - Yes, Please! (.50 BMG's in exact the proper range for that.)

The Man - I ain't dragging a man carcas back home, so the bigger hole, the better. (If I'm hunting man, I want his ass dead. period.)

Big dangerous game like Cape Buffalo or Elephant - Yes, Please! (.50 BMG's in exact the proper range for that.)


And places you in no danger at all...thats pretty...sporting....not.

sorry mate...but that is not hunting....thats just slaughter...

maybe you could take it whaling?

I'm fairly sure that whaling harpoons are larger than the .50 BMG. Especially tyhe moderne explosive ones...

I seriously doubt .50 BMG is an appropriate caliber for whaling. (And I suispect your reply wasn't all that serious.)

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

It’s extremely hard to get automatic weapons in the USA!

You have to apply for a class 3 permit from BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives), submit photos and fingerprints, the local chief of police/sheriff MUST agree and sign off on your application, and pay $200 for a tax stamp. Then you must wait while they carry out the 6-8 MONTH background check.

IF and ONLY IF you pass all of the above, the fun part. Buying a fully auto weapon. Which, since the supply of automatic weapons is fixed (foreign made auto's made after 1968 are BANNED, domestic USA auto's made after 1986 are BANNED for civilian ownership) often sell for the tens of thousands of dollars.

I'm fairly sure that whaling harpoons are larger than the .50 BMG. Especially tyhe moderne explosive ones...

I seriously doubt .50 BMG is an appropriate caliber for whaling. (And I suispect your reply wasn't all that serious.)

High-Explosive-Incendiary-Armor-Piercing rounds will do the job

And places you in no danger at all...thats pretty...sporting....not.

sorry mate...but that is not hunting....thats just slaughter...

No danger at all? Cape Buffalo are just about the most dangerous game there is. Even with the use of very large caliber rifles, the Cape Buff manages to kill more hunters than any other animal in Africa (except man).

No danger at all? Cape Buffalo are just about the most dangerous game there is. Even with the use of very large caliber rifles, the Cape Buff manages to kill more hunters than any other animal in Africa (except man).

Well the rifle that was suggested is a sniper rifle. I believe it has an effective range of well over a 1000 metres. If memory serves a Canadian infantryman/sniper scored a hit at nearly 2000 metres.

If you miss or wound the animal...well you are far enough away not to have to worry.

If you are using an Express rifle...that evens the odds....

Unless you think that shooting pits is also hunting...which I don't think you do...

Well the rifle that was suggested is a sniper rifle. I believe it has an effective range of well over a 1000 metres. If memory serves a Canadian infantryman/sniper scored a hit at nearly 2000 metres.

If you miss or wound the animal...well you are far enough away not to have to worry.

If you are using an Express rifle...that evens the odds....

Unless you think that shooting pits is also hunting...which I don't think you do...
an class as a hunting rilfe in the USA and it's still available in 49 states in that country to anyone over 18 with a clean record.

an class as a hunting rilfe in the USA and it's still available in 49 states in that country to anyone over 18 with a clean record.

Scary, but it does not invalidate my point though....

Scary, but it does not invalidate my point though....

want to see what you think of it
to think some use it for hunting, dam thing was make to stop light amrour and other things i can't recall right now

maybe you could take it whaling?

Whaling Was destroyed the moment they introducded all these fancy high powered harpoons

Though the guns iam mostly likely to own are the India Pattern Musket or the Baker Rifle

want to see what you think of it
to think some use it for hunting, dam thing was make to stop light amrour and other things i can't recall right now

I think its scary...what else can I say?

Besides that I would think that a real hunter would be quite disgusted at the thought of being able to pick off big game from a mile away.

Whaling Was destroyed the moment they introducded all these fancy high powered harpoons

Though the guns iam mostly likely to own are the India Pattern Musket or the Baker Rifle
Baker Rifle with it's Sword Bayonet now that what i would like to have too
I think its scary...what else can I say?

Besides that I would think that a real hunter would be quite disgusted at the thought of being able to pick off big game from a mile away.

i think so too

The two I most want are:
Barrett's newest 50cal semiautomatic http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn73-e.htm


and An American 180 http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm

The American 180 is essentially a collector's item at this point. Few were made, and most of those are in the hands of collectors.

And actually firing it would lower the value of the piece.

I'm not saying that I totally agree with big game hunting either I hasten to add...

Under certain circumstances (like the project they run in South Africa*) I can see the point....but people who just want to shoot up the country side ought not to be allowed to hunt...or posses weapons.


* The idea is that if a village is threatened by a dangerous animal the killing is contracted out to a big game hunter who pays for the privilege....the money going back into conservation projects...

or for food you left that out

i think so too

I'm not saying that I totally agree with big game hunting either I hasten to add...

Under certain circumstances (like the project they run in South Africa*) I can see the point....but people who just want to shoot up the country side ought not to be allowed to hunt...or posses weapons.


* The idea is that if a village is threatened by a dangerous animal the killing is contracted out to a big game hunter who pays for the privilege....the money going back into conservation projects...

The two I most want are:
Barrett's newest 50cal semiautomatic http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn73-e.htm


and An American 180 http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm
2 Questions here -

1) Why on earth do you need a sniper rifle that can ruin fighter jet engines, or even a sniper rifle at all?

2) On the SMG point - just why?

High-Explosive-Incendiary-Armor-Piercing rounds will do the job
On the other hand, those are actually illegal to worldwide standards, as they use less than 400g of explosive charge, which is the legal minimum across the world.

Guns I currently own: none.

Guns I want to own: Remington model 870 shotgun 12 gauge (duck hunting)
Remington model 870 shotgun 20 gauge (squirrel hunting)
Remington model 870 shotgun slug/buckshot (deer hunting)
Remington model 700 bolt-action (deer hunting)
Glock 17 (targets/self defense)
a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver (same as glock)
a .50 caliber Smith and Wesson, just because, it a .50 caliber handgun

or for food you left that out

yeah but big game hunting is not really about the food...and I would be less than impressed if I as a Westerner was to hunt a hippo for food. I think that food hunting should be left to the indigenous populations.

With dear hunting and the like...yeah...food. I have no problem with that at all. I do have a problem if its just to get a kill.

This also brings up the issue of culling...which I also have no problem with.

I guess what I am saying is that I would err on the side of necessity rather than 'fun'.

On the other hand, those are actually illegal to worldwide standards, as they use less than 400g of explosive charge, which is the legal minimum across the world.

I guess that's why Norway is the number one manufacturer of them.

On the other hand, those are actually illegal to worldwide standards, as they use less than 400g of explosive charge, which is the legal minimum across the world.

400 grammes? Are you sure?

400 grammes? Are you sure?

That's false. API-T is made by many countries in that size (50 BMG), especially by Norway.

yeah but big game hunting is not really about the food...and I would be less than impressed if I as a Westerner was to hunt a hippo for food. I think that food hunting should be left to the indigenous populations.

With dear hunting and the like...yeah...food. I have no problem with that at all. I do have a problem if its just to get a kill.

This also brings up the issue of culling...which I also have no problem with.

I guess what I am saying is that I would err on the side of necessity rather than 'fun'.

sad to say most kill and stuff or what you said

That's false. API-T is made by many countries in that size (50 BMG), especially by Norway.

Sorry...whats false?

400g just seems to be quite....substantial...I'm not saying that Yootopia is wrong as I do not know.

(i hate this bit)

Any links?

Sorry...whats false?

400g just seems to be quite....substantial...I'm not saying that Yootopia is wrong as I do not know.

(i hate this bit)

Any links?

If it was illegal, could you buy it online here in the US like this?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/AM1240.html

Also, FFV is the primary manufacturer of .50 BMG API and API-T (the actual charge of explosives is small as the projectile itself weighs less than 400g total, so the explosive payload is even smaller.

Also, Yoo is probably referring to the Hague Convention of 1899, which is the place where explosive bullets are mentioned.

This is the same convention that most nations no longer follow (it's as out of date and irrelevant as the Kellogg-Briand Pact).

Shotguns, etc., are also outlawed by this old version of the Hague Convention.

If it was illegal, could you buy it online here in the US like this?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/AM1240.html

Also, FFV is the primary manufacturer of .50 BMG API and API-T (the actual charge of explosives is small as the projectile itself weighs less than 400g total, so the explosive payload is even smaller.

Good grief.

Then I remember that mental robbery in LA where the perps used heavy assault rifles...

Anyway...

I thought 400g was an awful lot of explosive in a .50 cal round...

Good grief.

Then I remember that mental robbery in LA where the perps used heavy assault rifles...

Anyway...

I thought 400g was an awful lot of explosive in a .50 cal round...

To date, no one has ever used a 50 BMG round in any crime whatsoever in the US.

I have a Winchester Model 70, and an old Smith and Wesson hand gun passed down from my grandma, it was her favorite.

They are not in my house, they are locked up across town. (just so you guys know before you all freak out about my kids' safety)

I have a Winchester Model 70, and an old Smith and Wesson hand gun passed down from my grandma, it was her favorite.

They are not in my house, they are locked up across town. (just so you guys know before you all freak out about my kids' safety)

If it's a pre-1964 Model 70, it's worth money.

Also, Yoo is probably referring to the Hague Convention of 1899, which is the place where explosive bullets are mentioned.

This is the same convention that most nations no longer follow (it's as out of date and irrelevant as the Kellogg-Briand Pact).

Shotguns, etc., are also outlawed by this old version of the Hague Convention.

Ok..that makes much more sense...

To date, no one has ever used a 50 BMG round in any crime whatsoever in the US.

To date.

Of course if you can afford one I doubt you'll be using one to commit a robbery (on edit - should have been robbery not crime).

Regarding the assault rifles...I recall they were using AP ammo...

I'd have thought some lessons might have been learned from that...

(like scare the perp so he drops his weapon which, upon impact with the concrete sidewalk, discharges the weapon into the perps head)

If it's a pre-1964 Model 70, it's worth money.

it's a new-ish one, from the 80's. :( it's a pretty good gun though.

my grandma had an old (pre-64) Model 70 but she gave it to my cousin, because he really really wanted it.

it's a new-ish one, from the 80's. :( it's a pretty good gun though.

my grandma had an old (pre-64) Model 70 but she gave it to my cousin, because he really really wanted it.

The ones post-64 were generally crap, and the design was changed to be crap, to lower manufacturing costs.

Pre-64, they were a great design, and the receivers were milled, not cast.

Even if all you have is the receiver and action of the pre-64, it's worth a lot of money.

What firearms do you own and/or wish you owned?

I myself, being cheap and not into hunting, have an ancient (IE: 1960's :P) .22 rifle which I got as a present from my dad, who got it when he was a kid. Its still reasonably accurate and the ammo is dirt cheap.

My current favorite though is my muzzle loader. Some people might call it overcompensation, but frankly, being able to put a .55 calibur hole in something at a hundred yards is awesome. Plus the black powder produces a rather nice cloud of smoke :P
Of course, its a pain to load. Mini balls in particular have to be hammered down into the barrel with a wood block unless you dont value the skin on your fingers.

As to what I want to own...Im currently looking for a Mosin-Nagant 91/30, Ive heard theyre pretty good weapons, plus theyre cheap since the Soviets made about a billion of them during WWII, and they last forever.


I currently own a semi-only AR-15.


I'd like to own a Remington Model 870 shotgun (12 guage), a Remington Model 700 bolt action rifle (in .308), and either a Springfield Arms or Caspian 1911 pistol (.45 caliber).

So, no other black powder users on NS?
You should try it, its great fun :P

So, no other black powder users on NS?
You should try it, its great fun :P

I'll load 45-70 blackpowder cartridges, but not things like old muzzleloaders.

Looks like I have to list my entire arsenal, again!

1. M1 .30 carbine from WW2
2. A remington model of the .306 Springfield
3. A Norinco AK-47
4. A 12 guage
5. A under/over 20 guage
6. A century old .22 rifle
7. A .22 revolver
8. A 1930 stamped, Tula arsenal Mosin-nagant
9. This wierd .32 pump action rifle I've never shot before

More to come. :)

Well the rifle that was suggested is a sniper rifle. I believe it has an effective range of well over a 1000 metres. If memory serves a Canadian infantryman/sniper scored a hit at nearly 2000 metres.

If you miss or wound the animal...well you are far enough away not to have to worry.

If you are using an Express rifle...that evens the odds....

Yes, I realise it's often used as a long range rifle - that doesn'tmean it's exclusively used that way. It's my understanding that buff hunting generally takes place in heavy cover where you're unlikely to get such a long shot. That's one reason the H&H Nitro series are fitted with with iron sights set for 50-100 m.

It would indeed be unsporting to snipe buff. (There is game where mid-range sniping can be appropriately sporting.)

Unless you think that shooting pits is also hunting...which I don't think you do...

Indeed. If the sporting element is present, and the animal both respected as a living being and is eaten, I've no problem. I'll also add it that I think most trophy hunting is an abomination. I'll toss in that buff is suposed to be damned good eating - akin to a cross between bison and feral cattle.

I'm not telling you what or how many guns I own because you might be one of those commie, pinko, hippy, liberals who just want the information so you can take my gun away from me. ...peeks out window...closes blinds....checks amo...:p

I own a single Automatic Mossberg 12 guage with a modified choke. I shall have much more than that should my grandfather leave me his extensive collection of various shotguns, rifles, and handguns.

Of course, I really want a revolver and he has none of those.

I'm not telling you what or how many guns I own because you might be one of those commie, pinko, hippy, liberals who just want the information so you can take my gun away from me. ...peeks out window...closes blinds....checks amo...:p

hehehe

(Note that I've studiously avoided the subject. Living here in a state with a long history of arms control - Hideyhoshi's Sword hunt took place before my country of birth was a twinkle in anyone's eye - and civil oppression, I refuse to answer the question. Just don't check my locker at Narita airport.... ;))

The only valuable gun I stand to inherit is a .30-40 Krag, standard U.S. military issue during the Philippines war. There's also a single-barrel break top 12 gauge made in the late 1800s the manufacturer didn't survive the great depression, but it's a piece of junk.

I have a WWII, 9MM Browning that was made for the German Army in Belgium. The serial number on the gun, both clips, and holster all match. My Uncle took it from a German officer in WWII and after my uncle died my aunt gave it to me.

Does anyone know if it is valuable? I've never had it appraised and wonder if I should.

I have a WWII, 9MM Browning that was made for the German Army in Belgium. The serial number on the gun, both clips, and holster all match. My Uncle took it from a German officer in WWII and after my uncle died my aunt gave it to me.

Does anyone know if it is valuable? I've never had it appraised and wonder if I should.

There are some great gun collector forums online, you could probably find one. Theres also the "Firing Range"(or something like that) forums at Something Awful, but I doubt Im allowed to link there.

I have a WWII, 9MM Browning that was made for the German Army in Belgium. The serial number on the gun, both clips, and holster all match. My Uncle took it from a German officer in WWII and after my uncle died my aunt gave it to me.

Does anyone know if it is valuable? I've never had it appraised and wonder if I should.

Yes, it's valuable.

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

When I first moved to Georgia, I lived in Kennesaw. The city had passed a law that required gun ownership by the head of each household. Has this had an effect on crime? You bet. The last homicide was in 1986 and it was between two out-of-towners. This is the direction we should go with gun control.

And I own a Kimber Custom II .45 ACP. Among others...

If your not hunting or the like, why do you need automatic weapons like this? It's not like the US is Somalia or the Balkans, it just seems like a token 'liberty' gesture which is very dangerous. Only the state should have firearms.

I hate that they have them at all, but I guess they need em. The state having firearms are very good reason for the people to have them. But of course, I have a mentality of it's us vs the state. State meaning big mean government.

Forgot to say what guns I have lol. None now, but I have access to some.

When I first moved to Georgia, I lived in Kennesaw. The city had passed a law that required gun ownership by the head of each household. Has this had an effect on crime? You bet. The last homicide was in 1986 and it was between two out-of-towners. This is the direction we should go with gun control.

And I own a Kimber Custom II .45 ACP. Among others...

Is your Kimber an internal or external extractor?

Is your Kimber an internal or external extractor?
Funny you should ask...

I bought it a couple years ago and I think they had started shipping everything with external extractors. I had some stovepipe problems and sent it back. They replaced the external extractor with an internal extractor, throated and polished the chamber, and polished the guiderod (not sure why). All at no charge. The gun works great, not a single stovepipe since I got it back.

My biceps.

2 Questions here -

1) Why on earth do you need a sniper rifle that can ruin fighter jet engines, or even a sniper rifle at all?

2) On the SMG point - just why?

Strictly for target shooting. Both are fun as hell to shoot!

Watching a cinder block explode with one shot (from the 50cal)is fun!

Putting 275 rounds in a small (can/melon/paper) target in less than 10sec. is fun!

Oh. and the sniper rifle can ruin much more than a jet engine (1/2" / 12mm of steel )at around 2000 meters, and 275 rounds of 22cal can do near as well but only at short (100 meters) range.

I certainly wouldn't consider myself a hick, but I own a Romanian AK-47 and a Yugoslavian SKS. Of course they're both in storage because France likes my guns far less than Michigan does.

Yes, I'm a proud American who enjoys my right to bear arms. I've never harmed another person with any weapons. That includes knives, bows, shotguns, pistols, and rifles.

4-10 bolt action shotgun (from great grandpa's day)
Mossberg over under 12
Remington pump 12
Remington semi auto 12
S&W 45 revolver
Glock 17 9mm w/ extended clips
Sig 9mm with laser sights (I want sharks with fricken lasers on their heads)
Browning 40 cal.
30 odd six
222 rifle (all rifles with tactical scopes)
AR-15 from the old school days
22 rifle (mostly to stop squirrels from destroying property and eating wires)
an old 2 gauge from great grandpappy which needs to be loaded on a boat. This thing is a cannon.

That's all currently.

I currently have a single barrel Berette 12 gauge and my army issue G3 rifle. The first is for hunting (wich I do far too seldom), the latter is in case of a national emergency... I really hope I'll never need it. But for target practice and combat drills it's among my favourite weapons. I do like the punch of a 7.62...

Picture sez it all:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/allanea/boris5_s.jpg

Picture sez it all:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/allanea/boris5_s.jpg

Yeah, another soldier who isn't getting any sex...

It's in 308 Winchester...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/eveonline_bucket/ar10-img01.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/eveonline_bucket/ar10-img02.jpg

From 300 meters...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/eveonline_bucket/target300.jpg

Sorry about the flyer...

Boris, Is that a picture of yourself?

I am quite impressed. Imagine in what way.

And I own a gun, yes, but for self defense in a bad bad city, in a bad bad country, full with bad bad men.

A Zamorana gun, a local version of a Czech CZ gun.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/zamorana.jpg

In case you're wondering, it's an Eagle Arms AR-10 A4.

Same rifle, just now, the scope is detachable.

Yeah, another soldier who isn't getting any sex...

Actually, a civilian.

And I have a wonderful girlfriend. Who posts on these forums. And plays Nationstates.

Boris, Is that a picture of yourself?

D'oh. An old one though. A full 4 years old.

I am quite impressed. Imagine in what way.

Do I want to know?



A Zamorana gun, a local version of a Czech CZ gun.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/zamorana.jpg

CZ is good, I hope the clone is good too.

Do I want to know?

No. I'm sure you don't


CZ is good, I hope the clone is good too.

I don't know that much about guns to know if it is good or bad. I just point and shoot. Dad does the cleanup and the rest of maintenance for me.

I thought Reji dumped you...

Actually, a civilian.

And I have a wonderful girlfriend. Who posts on these forums. And plays Nationstates.

*hugs her wonderful boyfriend and kisses him despite all the thread watching*

*hugs her wonderful boyfriend and kisses him despite all the thread watching*

I was wrong, I guess. Damn mIRC gossips...

I believe this answers Aelosia re: Rejistania dumping me. ;)

*enjoys*

*hugs her wonderful boyfriend and kisses him despite all the thread watching*

I believe this answers Aelosia re: Rejistania dumping me. ;)

*enjoys*

go to your room and do that :p

I don't know that much about guns to know if it is good or bad. I just point and shoot. Dad does the cleanup and the rest of maintenance for me.


The original CZ guns are cheap, very reliable and supposedly easy to maintain.

It's in 308 Winchester...
Sorry about the flyer...
But you have a bipod...That's cheating when your only opposition is a target.

But you have a bipod...That's cheating when your only opposition is a target.

There is no such thing as "cheating" if I ever get to use it for real.

There is no such thing as "cheating" if I ever get to use it for real.
Okay, I'm a purist...Prone, sitting, standing are all that the NRA Highpower matches allow, but you got to train the way you'll fight.

Eve Online>
Nice grouping (apart from the flyer), but a litle bit high, don't you think? Have you tried adjusting your scope one click down?

But, athough Myrmidonisia was a bit harsh about the bipod, at 300 it says more about the gun, imho.

I have a sig p228 that I take (almost) everywhere with me, also a really nice mosin nagant m44.

Building a reloading setup cheap and piecemeal right now, next investment will either be in a colt detective special or, if hr1022 goes anywhere, five or ten AR lowers.

I'd really love to find a reasonably priced SVT-40, since it is a nice rifle and shoots the super-cheap 7.62x54r.

I have a sig p228 that I take (almost) everywhere with me, also a really nice mosin nagant m44.

Building a reloading setup cheap and piecemeal right now, next investment will either be in a colt detective special or, if hr1022 goes anywhere, five or ten AR lowers.

I'd really love to find a reasonably priced SVT-40, since it is a nice rifle and shoots the super-cheap 7.62x54r.

Nothing like a piece of junk, I always say.

I have a sig p228 that I take (almost) everywhere with me, also a really nice mosin nagant m44.

Building a reloading setup cheap and piecemeal right now, next investment will either be in a colt detective special or, if hr1022 goes anywhere, five or ten AR lowers.

I'd really love to find a reasonably priced SVT-40, since it is a nice rifle and shoots the super-cheap 7.62x54r.

There's one on GunsAmerica for $1200.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976841186.aspx

There's one on GunsAmerica for $1200.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976841186.aspx

Yup, for which I could get a nice locally built AR and about 500 dollars worth of ammo ;)

Yup, for which I could get a nice locally built AR and about 500 dollars worth of ammo ;)

Well, you said "reasonabley priced". That's subjective. For a good condition SVT-40, that is reasonable. I just spent $3600 on a new rifle (unfired NDM-86 w/ lots of bells and whistles) and for what I got, it is "reasonable". ;)

Well, you said "reasonabley priced". That's subjective. For a good condition SVT-40, that is reasonable. I just spent $3600 on a new rifle (unfired NDM-86 w/ lots of bells and whistles) and for what I got, it is "reasonable". ;)

I'd heard 6-800 range on the svt40s, so I may need to rethink that one.

It's time to bring the troops home from iraq and end the wars





so that ammo prices will go back down ;)

And just to play, my new toy (the scope, not the rifle):

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/kecibukia/Shooting/DSCF0494.jpg

what a piece of junk (sorry)

That has never jammed or given my any problems, is fairly accurate, and is inexpensive to buy, fire, and maintain.

And just to play, my new toy (the scope, not the rifle):

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a186/kecibukia/Shooting/DSCF0494.jpg

what a piece of junk (sorry)

i prefer my penis extension to be powered by petrol, not cordite. preferably in red with go-faster stripes and shiny rims too.

I thought Reji dumped you...

Don't call me Reji, ffs! it's Rejis! and being generally annoyed that he changed his OS is not dumping him!

what a piece of junk (sorry)

Quite the opposite... that rifle undoubtedly could take a much harder beating than anything twice as pretty.

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