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The town branded too white and too British
Last updated at 23:42pm on 28th February 2007

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A town is being stripped of scores of public sector jobs because its residents are "too white and British".

The Prison Service is relocating the posts to a nearby city where there are more ethnic minorities.

The incredible decision, which could lead to an investigation by the Commission for Racial Equality, was disclosed yesterday in a leaked official letter.

It is the first known case of its kind, but MPs warned similar moves could secretly be taking place across the country as civil servants are under enormous pressure from ministers to boost the number of ethnic minorities working in the public sector.

The 80 office jobs are being transferred from the depressed former steel town of Corby, in Northamptonshire, to Leicester.

The Tory General Election candidate for the town, which suffers from deprivation and is in desperate need of jobs, wrote to the Prison Service to demand an explanation.

In an astonishing reply, director of finance Ann Beasley - one of Home Secretary John Reid's top civil servants - said the town had too many white British residents.

As a result, it does not satisfy the drive to recruit more ethnic minorities.

Under the heading "key influencing factors", the letter states: "Our ability to attract a more diverse workforce - 93.7 per cent of the population of Corby are white British, compared to 59.6 per cent in Leicester>"

Mrs Beasley also implies Corby's residents are also too stupid to keep the jobs, which are mostly clerical posts buying equipment for the prison service.

She states that 17 per cent of people living in Leicester are qualified to degree level, compared with only nine per cent in Corby.

Furious opposition politicians were stunned by the reply and accused Labour of effectively being racist against whites.

The Conservative's diversity spokesman, Dominic Grieve, said: "This is very worrying. The Government should not be penalising people because of the ethnic make-up of where they live. The Government needs to explain just how widespread this policy is."

Louise Bagshawe, the candidate who received the letter, said: "Labour has controlled Corby council for 23 years and the town is very deprived. We have the lowest wages in Northamptonshire. Now locals are being told that Corby is too British for British jobs."

She added: "I told Ann Beasley our town already has a thriving Polish immigrant community, but she ignored this. Corby is just beginning to turn the corner, but we need good jobs.

"Gordon Brown loves to bang on about Britishness - if he means it, I call on him to reverse this disgraceful policy and tell Corby people they aren't too "white British" for Government jobs."

Kettering's Tory MP Philip Hollobone, whose constituents are also facing job losses, added: "People will be hugely offended that a decision like this is being made on racial grounds."

The Home Office last night stood by the letter, saying that attracting a "more diverse workforce" was a "key factor" in moving the jobs.

Discriminating against somebody on the grounds of race is outlawed by the Race Relations Act 2000.

But the Act does allow public bodies to take "positive action" to meet recruitment targets. In this instance, it would be illegal to say that the jobs must be filled by ethnic minority recruits, but moving to an area where they are more likely to apply for the posts is not illegal.

Staff based at the Crown House building in Corby will lose their jobs on March 19 when the building closes for regeneration work.

It had been assumed the Prison Service would find a new office in the town - which has an above average unemployment rate of 5.7 per cent, compared with 5.2 per cent nationwide. But officials, keen to fall in with Labour's "diversity agenda", seized the opportunity to move jobs to Leicester, one of the UK's most ethnically-mixed cities.

Staff have been given the option of transferring, but few - if any - are expected to agree to the lengthy commute.

A spokesman for the Commission for Racial Equality said that if they receive a complaint from any of the workers involved, they will start a full investigation.

A Prison Service spokesman said: "The potential sale of the property has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option for the Prison Service and therefore the taxpayer in the medium to longer term.

"The key factors that influenced our decision to relocate to Leicester were the closer proximity to a greater number of prison establishments, better transport links, the ability to recruit professional staff and the ability to attract a more diverse workforce."

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=439284&in_page_id=1770)

For people with Daily Mail paranoia:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/prisons/story/0,,2024181,00.html

I knew that link would either be the Mail or the Express.

And British despised Americans for electing Bush? LOL. Labour seems to be such a joke!

You say that as if we like our government.

Looks like we've got stupidity on both sides of the pond after all.

Looks like we've got stupidity on both sides of the pond after all.

Why do you think Bush and Blair get along so well?

This is just further proof that the mud-people are here to take our jobs, our towns, our women and exterminate our genetic and cultural heritage! :rolleyes:

This is just further proof that the mud-people are here to take our jobs, our towns, our women and exterminate our genetic and cultural heritage! :rolleyes:

We can't help it that so many crackers want to get jiggy with us. If you people would just keep your pants zipped up, you wouldn't need to worry about us breeding you out.

And British despised Americans for electing Bush? LOL. Labour seems to be such a joke!


Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=439284&in_page_id=1770)

Lolz.

This is just further proof that the mud-people are here to take our jobs, our towns, our women and exterminate our genetic and cultural heritage! :rolleyes:

I know they just ruin our white carpets!

People, people, we need to put aside our differences! The next Ice Age is upon us and will soon be followed by Super AIDS and Space Mongols!
We need to build a giant wall around the solar system to keep the barbarians out!

We can't help it that so many crackers want to get jiggy with us. If you people would just keep your pants zipped up, you wouldn't need to worry about us breeding you out.

Hmm. I don't know what's more exciting, getting jiggy or getting juggy.

Oh...

*zzzzipppp*

EDIT: No fair, you spell-checked.... I'll have to settle with getting jiggy....

This is just further proof that the mud-people are here to take our jobs, our towns, our women and exterminate our genetic and cultural heritage! :rolleyes:

Well in the case of this one town I guess the minorities are in fact taking their jobs...

Hmm. I don't know what's more exciting, getting jiggy or getting juggy.

Oh...

*zzzzipppp*

EDIT: No fair, you spell-checked.... I'll have to settle with getting jiggy....

Shit, someone caught me:D

Yeah, juggy sounds fun too !

Edit: what the hell, can't spell today

How 'depressed' can a town be when it has an unemployment rate just 0.5% above the national average?
5.7% unemployment rate doesn't cry out 'depressed town' to me.

How 'depressed' can a town be when it has an unemployment rate just 0.5% above the national average?
5.7% unemployment rate doesn't cry out 'depressed town' to me.

They're depressed because they live in Corby. It's edging into the Midlands, for crying out loud.

Anyway, I would assume that the jobs that are available are not the high-wage earners that would help to quickly reinvigorate a town that saw its main industry collapse, or at least boost it to a level of prosperity comparable to other parts of the country.
But yeah, last time I was in that neck of the woods, it was freezing cold and raining. Bloody miserable.

How 'depressed' can a town be when it has an unemployment rate just 0.5% above the national average?
5.7% unemployment rate doesn't cry out 'depressed town' to me.

Because it's a ex-mining town. Most of them still haven't really recovered from the dismantling of the coal industry because all of the high paying jobs were lost.

I'm also willing to bet that the labour party has done this deliberately to get back at the UDM.

This reminds me of that Weird Al song...

Erm... since when are ethnic minorities not British? 'Too White' and 'too British' are not synonymous Daily Mail, you disgusting shit.

Furthermore, it is the Civil Service's responsibility to ensure that its employees are representitive of the nation's demographics, otherwise you run the risk of institutionalised racism. Of course, in reality, the race issue is probably not why this has happened, but then the fascists at the Daily Mail have been known to lie through their fucking teeth at every possible oppurtunity...

They're depressed because they live in Corby. It's edging into the Midlands, for crying out loud.
ah right. The DM used the wrong tense (past tense as opposed to present perfect). Should read 'depressing town', not 'depressed town'.

I'm surprised that the DM didn't spin the fact the Corrections service wants more minorities to reflect their work into 'proof' that minorities commit more crimes.
Think about it - why else would they want the ebil coloured non-british foreigner working in a prison other than the fact that only ebil coloured non-british foreigners are prisoners in there?

While I suspect that Greyenivol Colony has the truth of it (the Daily Mail being the British newspaper for morons, by morons), the basic story is worrysome. I have noticed the unfortunate trend of late, that it is unacceptable to discriminate against any group, except those of European descent.

While I suspect that Greyenivol Colony has the truth of it (the Daily Mail being the British newspaper for morons, by morons), the basic story is worrysome. I have noticed the unfortunate trend of late, that it is unacceptable to discriminate against any group, except those of European descent.

I doubt Greyenivol Colony has anything like the truth of it. I have no doubt the ultimate reasons for this decision stems back to disputes amongst the British left in the 1980s.

I am glad to see that the labour party is slowly eroding its natural base however. I suspect that within a few years, provided the liberals can get their shit together, they will be as irrelevant as the useless tories.

I doubt Greyenivol Colony has anything like the truth of it. I have no doubt the ultimate reasons for this decision stems back to disputes amongst the British left in the 1980s.

I am glad to see that the labour party is slowly eroding its natural base however. I suspect that within a few years, provided the liberals can get their shit together, they will be as irrelevant as the useless tories.
I agree, and one can hope so. Still, by what standards is a town "too white" and how does this constitute a good reason to strip it of public sector jobs?

I agree, and one can hope so. Still, by what standards is a town "too white" and how does this constitute a good reason to strip it of public sector jobs?

Well that's my point. Ultimately, the 'too white' thing is just a pretext. Had it not been this it would have been something else. I would suspect that the real reason for this is the lack of militancy in the midlands during the industrial disputes of the 1980s - or something else equally as petty.

Well that's my point. Ultimately, the 'too white' thing is just a pretext. Had it not been this it would have been something else. I would suspect that the real reason for this is the lack of militancy in the midlands during the industrial disputes of the 1980s - or something else equally as petty.
Heh, that sucks. But my God, how bad must it be that it's actually more palatable to excuse something on racist grounds than to just come out with the truth (or some other, better lie)?

Heh, that sucks. But my God, how bad must it be that it's actually more palatable to excuse something on racist grounds than to just come out with the truth (or some other, better lie)?

Well to the middle class socialist 'princess tony' faction of the labour party this is good racism, and therefore perfectly excusable.

Also, I don't think there is any acceptable way of pointing out that you are settling twenty year old scores now that you are in power. After all, people still think that hunting with dogs was banned because it was 'cruel' to the foxes.

Well to the middle class socialist 'princess tony' faction of the labour party this is good racism, and therefore perfectly excusable.

Also, I don't think there is any acceptable way of pointing out that you are settling twenty year old scores now that you are in power. After all, people still think that hunting with dogs was banned because it was 'cruel' to the foxes.
I suppose not. Are you British then?

I suppose not. Are you British then?

I grew up in England, and half my family lives there.

Firstly, thanks for emboldening my name. It made me feel important.

Secondly, being 'too white' is actually a good reason to deny a workforce public sector jobs. Having the state's interactors with the people belonging overwhelmingly to a single race is asking for trouble, (South Africa's public sector was, undoubtedly, 'too white', and that is the extreme that you risk by not having a public sector that is representatively diverse).

Firstly, thanks for emboldening my name. It made me feel important.

Secondly, being 'too white' is actually a good reason to deny a workforce public sector jobs. Having the state's interactors with the people belonging overwhelmingly to a single race is asking for trouble, (South Africa's public sector was, undoubtedly, 'too white', and that is the extreme that you risk by not having a public sector that is representatively diverse).

Yes, that is a problem. And hiring policies (even the dreaded "quotas") can really help solve that.

Firing people in order to hire minorities, on the other hand, sounds like a good way to ramp up any racial tension that currently exists.

Let me get this straight - you read a Daily Fail news story, and you actually believed it? I mean, does this story strike you as even remotely credible?

Let me get this straight - you read a Daily Fail news story, and you actually believed it? I mean, does this story strike you as even remotely credible?

It probably isn't. But it's just insane enough to be true.

It probably isn't. But it's just insane enough to be true.

Hardly an adequate reason to go around believing it. If the Daily Wail told me which way was up, I'd want to double check its sources.

Hardly an adequate reason to go around believing it. If the Daily Wail told me which way was up, I'd want to double check its sources.

Believe, perhaps not; use as fodder for reasoned debate, certainly.

Firstly, thanks for emboldening my name. It made me feel important.

Secondly, being 'too white' is actually a good reason to deny a workforce public sector jobs. Having the state's interactors with the people belonging overwhelmingly to a single race is asking for trouble, (South Africa's public sector was, undoubtedly, 'too white', and that is the extreme that you risk by not having a public sector that is representatively diverse).
Except for the tiny difference that South Africa was in fact majority black...

Well that's my point. Ultimately, the 'too white' thing is just a pretext. Had it not been this it would have been something else. I would suspect that the real reason for this is the lack of militancy in the midlands during the industrial disputes of the 1980s - or something else equally as petty.

I think the real reason is quite clear and mentioned in the article:

"A Prison Service spokesman said: "The potential sale of the property (existing Corby prison service) has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option..."

Believe, perhaps not; use as fodder for reasoned debate, certainly.

Ah, ok.

Surely though, if you accept the principle of 'reverse discrimination', then it follows that white British people will miss out to some extent. Any organisation which (quite rightly in a lot of cases) wants to recruit more members of ethnic minorities has to acknowledge this.

Secondly, being 'too white' is actually a good reason to deny a workforce public sector jobs. Having the state's interactors with the people belonging overwhelmingly to a single race is asking for trouble, (South Africa's public sector was, undoubtedly, 'too white', and that is the extreme that you risk by not having a public sector that is representatively diverse).

Except for the fact that the UK is actually a WHITE MAJORITY COUNTRY.

though, if you accept the principle of 'reverse discrimination', then it follows that white British people will miss out to some extent. Any organisation which (quite rightly in a lot of cases) wants to recruit more members of ethnic minorities has to acknowledge this.

Fuck ethnic minorities. Go get jobs based on merits, not race.

The public sector in the UK is supposed to behave as the 'ideal employer', as in the sort of employer that the private sector should aspire to, including ethnic diversity. Having said that, I don't agree with sacking someone just because they are of the wrong ethnic minority, but I seriously doubt that it was has happened here. I trust the Daily Hate Mail about as far as I could throw it.

Except for the fact that the UK is actually a WHITE MAJORITY COUNTRY.

*looks out of window* Yee gads! You're right! And I did not try to claim anything to contrary and I would concede that the civil service should/will be majority White. BUT, it must be representative, otherwise you face the VERY real possibility of discrimination.

This is especially dangerous in the prison service. For instance, say HM Prison X is a small prison with twelve prisoners and six screws. The prisoners are probably more ethnically diverse than the general population. The screws are probably less ethnically diverse than the general population, perhaps they are even entirely White. Racism is quite virulent, if one of these six gaolers are properly BNP-level racist, some of his co-workers may imitate his views, and before you know it, the tribe mentality could have really kicked in and turned the screws into a proper set of racist bastards. Before you know it, news of insults, beatings and perhaps even murder start to come from HM Prison X. This is not an exaggeration. This happened many times in the past and continues to happen throughout the world today.

To impose a strictly meritocratic recruitment policy in this field would be irresponsible, as even the best White prison warden may not be immune from an ethnically-charged us-and-them mentality. Ideally, the demographics of the screws should match the demographics of the prisoners.

Because it's a ex-mining town. Most of them still haven't really recovered from the dismantling of the coal industry because all of the high paying jobs were lost.

I'm also willing to bet that the labour party has done this deliberately to get back at the UDM.

If there was any miners union that would embrace New Labour its the UDM...who (if memory serves) has a membership of about 1500 people; that and the pay scandal pretty much puts paid to the UDM.

All the main players in the Miners Strike are either dead, retired, or too old to damage.

As for the 'slag' communities...I suspect that most of the mining families have moved on or their kids have.

No...this is about property sale. Not about 'punishing' the UDM.

While I suspect that Greyenivol Colony has the truth of it (the Daily Mail being the British newspaper for morons, by morons), the basic story is worrysome. I have noticed the unfortunate trend of late, that it is unacceptable to discriminate against any group, except those of European descent.

its the daily mail. the story has spin. from Leicester's point of view the prison service is discriminating against racial minorities by locating its jobs in a predominantly white area. shock horror!

the mail would spin it so that the tories seem like fucking saints when personally this isn't much of a shock to me, nor do i much care. the relocation to a better educated town also makes sense apart from the discrimination issues

if it purely done for postive racism then they have broken the law

Except for the fact that the UK is actually a WHITE MAJORITY COUNTRY.

Not for much longer. (look at fertility rates). It always surprises me that there aren't more "accidental" pregnancies in the UK. With all the public drunkenness, there should be way more babies.

*Reads the OP*
*Notices this bit:*

The 80 office jobs are being transferred from the depressed former steel town of Corby, in Northamptonshire, to Leicester.

The Tory General Election candidate for the town, which suffers from deprivation and is in desperate need of jobs, wrote to the Prison Service to demand an explanation.

In an astonishing reply, director of finance Ann Beasley - one of Home Secretary John Reid's top civil servants - said the town had too many white British residents.

As a result, it does not satisfy the drive to recruit more ethnic minorities.

Under the heading "key influencing factors", the letter states: "Our ability to attract a more diverse workforce - 93.7 per cent of the population of Corby are white British, compared to 59.6 per cent in Leicester>"

Mrs Beasley also implies Corby's residents are also too stupid to keep the jobs, which are mostly clerical posts buying equipment for the prison service.

You what? This is an Industrial town! We have oodles of immigrants (admittedly, lots of Poles particularly, and they tend to be white). They run the factories! Without them production of whatever crap we make would grind to a halt! 'Course, quite a few of them speak bugger all English, but that's merely irritating. They don't need much to do their jobs, and they work harder than the British people. Incidentally, 93.7% "white and British" isn't terribly far from the country as a whole.
(For people fortunate enough to not have heard of Corby, it became noticable after the Steel Works opened Many Moons Ago and lots of Scots and Irish moved here. It's been dubbed "Little Scotland" before, and you're still about as likely to here Scottish and Irish accents as any other. The Steel Works closed twenty years or so ago, and that didn't do it any favours, but it's getting better now as quite a lot of factories and things have moved in to the various industrial estates.)

I'm pretty certain we don't even have any prisons near here, anyway. And as for Corby's residents being "too stupid", well... erm... No comment.

*Goes off to read rest of thread*

it is unacceptable to discriminate against any group, except those of European descent.


Bullshit

Daily Mail has been doing a hatred campaign against Romanians and Bulgarians for months.
We're European too, you know

Because it's a ex-mining town. Most of them still haven't really recovered from the dismantling of the coal industry because all of the high paying jobs were lost.

Steel Works, not mining :)

And yeah, it's a depressing place. Corby Town Centre is a bit like Blade Runner without the pretty glowy lights.

If there are slightly fewer brown people in Corby than in other areas it's simply because they were too bright to move here in the first place...

Firstly, thanks for emboldening my name. It made me feel important.

Secondly, being 'too white' is actually a good reason to deny a workforce public sector jobs. Having the state's interactors with the people belonging overwhelmingly to a single race is asking for trouble, (South Africa's public sector was, undoubtedly, 'too white', and that is the extreme that you risk by not having a public sector that is representatively diverse).

I can get behind that, being white and Non British. My previous place of employment was , funny enough in Leicester, and out of 22 people, I was the only non British. Needless to say, it did NOT make my life easy.

wow, 93.7% white?! that's almost 3% above the national average!

Steel Works, not mining :)

And yeah, it's a depressing place. Corby Town Centre is a bit like Blade Runner without the pretty glowy lights.

If there are slightly fewer brown people in Corby than in other areas it's simply because they were too bright to move here in the first place...

Yah. I remembered that after the fact. Still it's part of the same phenomenon: the dismantling of the steel and coal industries that took place in the 1980s.

As to there not being brown people, you could say the same for places like Ashington. People don't generally move to areas where everyone else is leaving.

It's also fairly hypocritical of the labour government, whatever their reason. Still what can you expect. They still haven't got round to fixing jarrow, and the march was what? eighty years ago now. As I like to point out, the labour front bench actually has zero interest in the working class, it's really more of a vehicle for the progressive middle class to feel good about themselves.

Since I've only used this thread to slagd off the British government so far, I should mention that I agree with people who say that the Daily Mail is a load of bollocks that should be ignored.

It seems that Brits have crossed to an alternate PC universe:


Force admits rejecting white men

Gloucestershire police force has admitted illegally rejecting 108 job applicants because they were white men.

The Police Federation said the force has been trying to recruit more female officers and more people from ethnic minorities to meet a government target.

But one of the unsuccessful applicants, Matt Powell took legal action and has been awarded £2,500 by a tribunal.

Mr Powell, 30, said he became suspicious when he was told he had been "randomly deselected".

The case comes six months after Avon and Somerset Police admitted it had illegally rejected almost 200 applications from white men for the same reason.

'Unlawful racial discrimination'

The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) and the Equal Opportunities Commission who led the investigation, said the Gloucestershire force had unlawfully discriminated on the grounds of race and sex.

A spokesman said: "Unlawful racial discrimination is unacceptable and as the guardian of the Race Relations Act we will hold organisations to account if we think that they are in breach of the Act."


To call it a clumsy policy would be diplomatic. It clearly wasn't the way to do it.
Ian Anderson, chairman of the Gloucestershire Police Federation

Police are under pressure to meet the government target, set in 1999, that by 2009, 7% of police officers in England and Wales should be from ethnic minority groups.

In September 2005, only 1.6% of Gloucestershire Police officers were black or Asian.

Ian Anderson, chairman of Gloucestershire Police Federation blamed unrealistic government targets for their illegal recruitment drive.

"I think to call it a clumsy policy would be diplomatic.

"It clearly wasn't the way to do it and has caused a great deal of consternation and disquiet in the force and the local community."

'Positive action'

Earlier this year, Gloucestershire's Assistant Chief Constable Michael Matthews admitted 'positive action' had been taken to recruit more women and from ethnic minorities.

"It is essential in a democratic policing environment to ensure that under-represented groups are prioritised in our recruitment drives," he said.

Mr Powell's solicitor, Nigel Tillott, said: "The impact of this is that it is now clear how far public authorities can go in positive action.

"What they cannot do is discriminate against white males when it comes to job applications."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/gloucestershire/5369876.stm

Fuck ethnic minorities. Go get jobs based on merits, not race.

If only it was that simple. Ethnic minorities are under represented in certain walks of life, and it is naive to claim that this is solely an issue of ability.

It seems that Brits have crossed to an alternate PC universe
Yes. Due to a controversial policy from an unpopular government, enacted by an institution of the state, every single British citizen is PC-mad.

Yes. Due to a controversial policy from an unpopular government, enacted by an institution of the state, every single British citizen is PC-mad.

Yep. I no longer call the intellectually challenged 'mongers'. :rolleyes:

A lot of this PC craze is purely manufactured by the press. I remember watching a Commons Select Committee regarding the Fourth Estate and 'Political Correctness'.

Remember the major PC stories about manhole covers and one legged black single parent lesbians and the like? Utter tosh...as admitted by the editors of the papers in question...

Daily Mail has been doing a hatred campaign against Romanians and Bulgarians for months.
We're European too, you know
Generally non-Western whites are not too popular over here. I'm South African, so I don't have a hard time getting around - people even find my accent sexy. But things would get much more difficult were I some form of continental European.

Steel Works, not mining :)



...and trouser presses, don't forget the trouser press industry.

...and trouser presses, don't forget the trouser press industry.

Top marks! LOL

Yep. I no longer call the intellectually challenged 'mongers'. :rolleyes:

A lot of this PC craze is purely manufactured by the press. I remember watching a Commons Select Committee regarding the Fourth Estate and 'Political Correctness'.

Remember the major PC stories about manhole covers and one legged black single parent lesbians and the like? Utter tosh...as admitted by the editors of the papers in question...
It's all hyped out of all proportion, mainly between the Express, Sun and the Mail screaming PC LIBERALS!!! WANT TO DESTROY ENGLAND AND LET THE HEATHENS IN!!! SEIG HEIL!!!, so on and so forth. Nowadays most of the vitriol these people regurgitate about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all, and just a pejorative term for anything that doesn't fit in with right wing populism. Take flag burning. I read someone on the BBC saying "We have sat back too long with this namby pamby PC approach, watching the likes of a certain non-integrated community trash our flag." I mean, fuck me, It's you who is PC, banning something you find offensive, not anyone else!

Rant over.

Yes. Due to a controversial policy from an unpopular government, enacted by an institution of the state, every single British citizen is PC-mad.

You elected them 3 times tho.


New curriculum will 'make every lesson politically correct'
By LAURA CLARK - More by this author » Last updated at 22:04pm on 25th January 2007

Children will be taught race relations and multiculturalism with every subject they study -from Spanish to science - under controversial changes to the school curriculum announced by the Government.

In music and art, they could have to learn Indian and Chinese songs and instruments, and West African drumming • 'School drop-outs regret leaving'

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In maths and science, key Muslim contributions such algebra and the number zero will be emphasised to counter Islamophobia.

And in English, pupils will study literature on the experiences of migration - such as Zadie Smith's novel White Teeth, or Brick Lane, by Monica Ali.

One critic accused Education Secretary Alan Johnson of 'politicising' lessons with the new agenda. Tory MP Douglas Carswell, a member of the Commons education select committee, said schools will be vehicles for multicultural propaganda and classrooms turned into 'laboratories for politically-correct thought'.

Mr Johnson was also attacked over attempts to put Britishness on the curriculum as it emerged that suggested core values are so woolly they could apply to many countries.

With concerns that standards in the three Rs are unacceptable, ministers will also face accusations that they are diverting attention away from vital subjects.

Under the recommendations - put forward in a report by former headmaster Sir Keith Ajegbo -teachers will be expected to make 'explicit references to cultural diversity' in as many subjects as possible.

A new central theme covering 'identity and diversity' will be added to citizenship classes, which have been compulsory since 2002.

Pupils should be encouraged to discuss topics such as immigration, the legacy of the British Empire, the Commonwealth and the EU.

Teaching on immigration, including recent population movement from Eastern Europe, should touch on the benefits it brings to the economy and society, while also bringing 'political discontent and criticism'.

Pupils could even be tested on their attitudes to diversity in A-level and GCSEs, which will be redrafted to ensure they include 'issues related to diversity'.

But Professor Alan Smithers, of the University of Buckingham, asked: 'Do the Government have in mind a Britishness test for youngsters born in this country, as they do with people who arrive from other countries?'

Meanwhile, information technology lessons would involve joint Web projects or video-conferencing with youngsters around the world.

Sir Keith, whose report was commissioned following last July's suicide bomb attacks in London, warned that pupils could become 'disaffected' and 'alienated' if they felt unable to discuss cultural issues in subject areas.

'Education for diversity must be viewed as a whole-curriculum focus,' he said.

However, Mr Carswell said: 'This report is prescribing precisely the wrong medicine to heal the wounds of a society that multiculturalism has divided. This is a stark example of the politically- correct lobby hijacking the citizenship agenda.

'Recent arrivals to this country have all the more reason to be given a sense of what we are all about so they can become part of it and share it. But instead this will give the green light to every politically-correct Left-Wing educationist to further undermine our society.'

Teachers' unions warned that the curriculum is too crowded already to cope with extra demands.

John Dunford, general secretary of the headteachers' union ASCL, said: 'Once again, the burden is falling on schools to fix a problem which has its roots in the wider society.'

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=431316&in_page_id=1770)

For our daily mail critics:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/26/nbritish26.xml

It's all hyped out of all proportion, mainly between the Express, Sun and the Mail screaming PC LIBERALS!!! WANT TO DESTROY ENGLAND AND LET THE HEATHENS IN!!! SEIG HEIL!!!, so on and so forth. Nowadays most of the vitriol these people regurgitate about political correctness has nothing to do with it at all, and just a pejorative term for anything that doesn't fit in with right wing populism. Take flag burning. I read someone on the BBC saying "We have sat back too long with this namby pamby PC approach, watching the likes of a certain non-integrated community trash our flag." I mean, fuck me, It's you who is PC, banning something you find offensive, not anyone else!

Rant over.

Good rant!

Although the Daily Mail has put their own spin on this story, none of what it says is unture. They did forget to mention this little piece of information.

'Best option'

The Prison Service said the taxpayer would benefit from the move as key factors influencing relocation to Leicester were the closer proximity to more prisons, better transport links, the availability of more professional staff and a more diverse workforce.

A Prison Service Spokesman said: "The potential sale of the property has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option for the Prison Service and therefore the taxpayer in the medium to longer term.

"The key factors that influenced our decision to relocate to Leicester were the closer proximity to a greater number of prison establishments, better transport links, the ability to recruit professional staff and the ability to attract a more diverse workforce."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/6406307.stm

So its for a tax reason and a general logistical reason

I think the real reason is quite clear and mentioned in the article:

"A Prison Service spokesman said: "The potential sale of the property (existing Corby prison service) has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option..."

Except they did and a-ha-ha-ha...I did!

And, let's face it, Corby is only about 20 miles from Leicester. That's not a particularly unreasonable commute.
Leicester is also a City with over five times the population of Corby.

And if all that wasn't enough: Leicester has many more, and far superior, curry houses.

You elected them 3 times tho.
I did?

I had no idea my one vote for the Green Party could put a Labour government in power. And I didn’t even vote in the 1997 election; was too young. Gee, my electoral power knows no bounds.

Yay for 'representative' government.

I can't be bothered to read the whole story behind this. However how could some publication out there claim that a town is to white? No one is crying racism over this? Would it be the same as saying Brazzaville, Congo is to black. How about Tokyo is to Asian. Sounds stupid to me that it is even a headline. Stupid world we live in at times.

I did?

I had no idea my one vote for the Green Party could put a Labour government in power. And I didn’t even vote in the 1997 election; was too young. Gee, my electoral power knows no bounds.

Yay for 'representative' government.

Is that how the UK system of Democracy works?!?!

Is that how the UK system of Democracy works?!?!
According to Nova Magna Germania.

In reality it’s much better.

Once every four or five years we get to choose between bastards wearing blue rosettes or bastards wearing red rosettes.

Occasionally, the red bastards steal the blue bastards ideas, and sometime the blue bastards get a facelift to try and look more like the red bastards.

So, yeah. Much better.

And the food is terrible as well.

And the food is terrible as well.
*eats steak and Belhaven ale pie*

Nope.

This is like any other thread except this time it's not TEH LIBERAL MEDIAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, it's TEH CONSERVATIVE MEEEDIIAAA!!!!!!!!1

And everyone forgets the bastards with the yellow rosettes ;)
Who?

Oh, them.

I thought they were the half-time entertainment.

According to Nova Magna Germania.

In reality it’s much better.

Once every four or five years we get to choose between bastards wearing blue rosettes or bastards wearing red rosettes.

Occasionally, the red bastards steal the blue bastards ideas, and sometime the blue bastards get a facelift to try and look more like the red bastards.

So, yeah. Much better.

And everyone forgets the bastards with the yellow rosettes ;)

*eats steak and Belhaven ale pie*

Nope.

vomits up English breakfast sausages with "gravy"..

And the food is terrible as well.

In this case your sig is spot on, DK.

This is like any other thread except this time it’s not TEH LIBERAL MEDIAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, it’s TEH CONSERVATIVE MEEEDIIAAA!!!!!!!!1
Sorry, does anyone actually trust any media source to be free of bias and mistruth?

And the food is terrible as well.

Actually, Corby does score some points there. Where else in England can you buy battered Haggis fingers from the chippy? Or battered black/white pudding? Brilliant. It might be lacking of curry houses, but (despite one of the most inland parts of the country) has a couple of brilliant chippies, particularly Rafferty's.

Sausages with gravy for breakfast? I don't know where you went, but don't go there again. Urgh...

vomits up English breakfast sausages with “gravy”..
Well if you will insist on eating sausages with gravy...

Who?

Oh, them.

I thought they were the half-time entertainment.

Clowns leading clowns....

Actually, Corby does score some points there. Where else in England can you buy battered Haggis fingers from the chippy? Or battered black/white pudding? Brilliant. It might be lacking of curry houses, but (despite one of the most inland parts of the country) has a couple of brilliant chippies, particularly Rafferty’s.

Sausages with gravy for breakfast? I don’t know where you went, but don’t go there again. Urgh...
Ah, battered black pudding. A definite Sottish influence.

Oooh, I good do with some decent black pudding the now...

Once had a chicken breast stuffed with finest black pudding and parma ham, served with creamy potato mash and a rich tomato sauce.

*drools*

I did?

I had no idea my one vote for the Green Party could put a Labour government in power. And I didn’t even vote in the 1997 election; was too young. Gee, my electoral power knows no bounds.

Yay for 'representative' government.

Maybe I should have said, ye brits have elected them....but that would sound too funy...

Ah, battered black pudding. A definite Sottish influence.

Oooh, I good do with some decent black pudding the now...

Once had a chicken breast stuffed with finest black pudding and parma ham, served with creamy potato mash and a rich tomato sauce.

*drools*

Yum!!

Black pudding wiv de scrambled egg...

*sigh*

Once had a chicken breast stuffed with finest black pudding and parma ham, served with creamy potato mash and a rich tomato sauce.

*drools*

Oh wow...

Maybe I should have said, ye brits have elected them....but that would sound too funy...
Is that “too funny” as in, “nearing accurate information”?

Or “too funny” as in “ruins the point of my OP”?

Oh wow...
Indeed.

Fish suppers and black pudding? Sounds like I could almost survive in Corby.

Have you guys got any Irn Bru?

Sorry

The Gut Buster

Starter -

Fried Kipper

Main -

fried bread
fried tomatos
chips
fried egg
baked beans
fried mushies
sausages
bacon
fried leeks/onion/garlic/strips of bell pepper

side plate of -
creamy scambled egg on buttered toast

buttered toast - lots of buttered toast

Washed down with either a pint of tea or a jar of Guiness

Desert - the pub :D

Indeed.

Fish suppers and black pudding? Sounds like I could almost survive in Corby.

Have you guys got any Irn Bru?

Yeah, 'course ;)

Rumours persist that it's the only place you can get Irn Bru on tap outside of Scotland, although I've never actually seen it. Loads in bottles, though.

I am fucking irate. This is simply evidence of the shame with which Labour looks upon a country that used to be the finest in the world, and it is a sad day when discrimination occurs upon grounds of one's being too white and British. It's our sodding country.

And the food is terrible as well.

It's like the states. A large part depends where you are. Some places it is very good. Others it is like dog vomit.

No anglo country has consistently good food.

Rumours persist that it's the only place you can get Irn Bru on tap outside of Scotland, although I've never actually seen it. Loads in bottles, though.

Yah. That's just a rumor. Loads of places in england serve Irn Bru on tap, you just have to go up to the borders.

Yah. That’s just a rumor. Loads of places in england serve Irn Bru on tap, you just have to go up to the borders.
Phenomenal! ;)

For our daily mail critics:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/26/nbritish26.xml

lol "don't believe the Mail? try the torygraph instead!"
:rolleyes: :p


i tried the "britishness test" there as well, and i don't think i was doing too well until i gave up...

I am fucking irate. This is simply evidence of the shame with which Labour looks upon a country that used to be the finest in the world, and it is a sad day when discrimination occurs upon grounds of one's being too white and British. It's our sodding country.
just out of interest, is there anything you don't blame Labour for? I doubt very much that Cameron would do much different.

just out of interest, is there anything you don't blame Labour for? I doubt very much that Cameron would do much different.
Unfortunately, so do I. In fact, even within the Tory party he is soon as too soft and too willing to compromise party ideals for quick electoral gains. He is Blair Mark II, at best. However, he'll definitely be a good deal better than Gordon "The Taxman" Brown. I think under his rule most of the country would just die of boredom...

Unfortunately, so do I. In fact, even within the Tory party he is soon as too soft and too willing to compromise party ideals for quick electoral gains. He is Blair Mark II, at best. However, he'll definitely be a good deal better than Gordon "The Taxman" Brown. I think under his rule most of the country would just die of boredom...
Nah, that's Sir Ming Campbell you're thinking of. In fact, come to think of it, they are just as boring as each other. Nevertheless, I think that Cameron is still prepared to go 'back to basics' - yuk - on some social issues, like the usual Tory 'blame single parent mums' line. And his pal Osborne has once or twice mentioned a flat tax as a possible policy, which would be electoral suicide without having four years in power showing they can (or can't) run the economy.

just out of interest, is there anything you don't blame Labour for? I doubt very much that Cameron would do much different.

hmmm..... no.

As fpr Cameron, I quite agree. Blameron will simply prove to be another slavishly centrist, mediocre prime minister, who will prevaricate and posture whilst achieving very little. I always maintain that it is tragic that Hague was not elected in 2001, before New Labour and Cameron truly killed principled politics.

How can anyone think anything the hate mail says is news rather than complete bollocks?

hmmm..... no.

As fpr Cameron, I quite agree. Blameron will simply prove to be another slavishly centrist, mediocre prime minister, who will prevaricate and posture whilst achieving very little. I always maintain that it is tragic that Hague was not elected in 2001, before New Labour and Cameron truly killed principled politics.
That’s interesting...

I’ve always kinda liked Hague. I mean, sure, he’s a Tory bastard. But a Tory bastard who’s at least sure of his politics.

Like in The Thick Of It Special, when the Tory MP is talking to the Conservative PR guru:

"I get people stopping me in the streets and saying, "Are you still for locking up yobbos?", and I say, "Yeah, of course we are". But then I think, "Are we?", because maybe I missed a memo from you, maybe I should 'understand' yobbos now, or not even call them yobbos; call them 'Young Men With Issues Around Stabbing'."

Lawlz.

Iannucci FTW.

Does anyone else find it odd that while people in the UK act as if all they ever read is the economist, new statesman and guardian, the three top selling newspapers are by far: The news of the world, the Sun (my particular favorite), and the Mail?

That’s interesting...

I’ve always kinda liked Hague. I mean, sure, he’s a Tory bastard. But a Tory bastard who’s at least sure of his politics.

Like in The Thick Of It Special, when the Tory MP is talking to the Conservative PR guru:

"I get people stopping me in the streets and saying, "Are you still for locking up yobbos?", and I say, "Yeah, of course we are". But then I think, "Are we?", because maybe I missed a memo from you, maybe I should 'understand' yobbos now, or not even call them yobbos; call them 'Young Men With Issues Around Stabbing'."

Lawlz.

Iannucci FTW.

Hague is that most rare of political commodities; an enigmatic individual. Neither Blair, nor Cameron, would be an interesting guest at a dinner party, whereas Hague, Boris!!!!!, or even Prescott, would be. Blair has engendered an environment wherein mediocrity and blandess is the order of the day.

Does anyone else find it odd that while people in the UK act as if all they ever read is the economist, new statesman and guardian, the three top selling newspapers are by far: The news of the world, the Sun (my particular favorite), and the Mail?

erm.... no. I read the Telegraph, or, at a pinch, the Times.

Does anyone else find it odd that while people in the UK act as if all they ever read is the economist, new statesman and guardian, the three top selling newspapers are by far: The news of the world, the Sun (my particular favorite), and the Mail?

Just like no one in the US voted for Nixon.

Does anyone else find it odd that while people in the UK act as if all they ever read is the economist, new statesman and guardian, the three top selling newspapers are by far: The news of the world, the Sun (my particular favorite), and the Mail?

If you mean people from the UK on NationStates, then I assume that most don't read those newspapers, based on the fact that they don't type in txtspeak.

erm.... no. I read the Telegraph, or, at a pinch, the Times.

Of course you do.

Of course you do.

Actually, I do.

In any case, is NSG going to provide an accurate representation of British society? No, you dizzy trollop.

Hey, is it most american from england to begin with??

In any case, is NSG going to provide an accurate representation of British society? No, you dizzy trollop.

Either you are the product of the comprehensive school system, or you are unaware that I am not a woman. I would suspect the former.

If you mean people from the UK on NationStates, then I assume that most don't read those newspapers, based on the fact that they don't type in txtspeak.
I avoid them because they are unfailingly disappointing. As I exclaimed in another thread, Euronews is most appropriate for simply being informed of daily events. For actual opinions and editorials, the internet can provide far more than most newspapers.

Hey, is it most american from england to begin with??

Welcome to NationStates General. Next post try making sense. ;)

Either you are the product of the comprehensive school system, or you are unaware that I am not a woman. I would suspect the former.

I would genuinely suggest you substantiate that. I attend a school that is, I would assume, better than anything you attended.

Welcome to NationStates General. Next post try making sense. ;)

I think he's asking if it's the case that most Americans have English ancestry.

I avoid them because they are unfailingly disappointing. As I exclaimed in another thread, Euronews is most appropriate for simply being informed of daily events. For actual opinions and editorials, the internet can provide far more than most newspapers.

That's true. But it is also true that nearly 4/10ths of all UK households actually buys one of those three papers. I'm sure a lot more people read them than is claimed.

I would genuinely suggest you substantiate that. I attend a school that is, I would assume, better than anything you attended.

So you are a product of the comprehensive system.

I would genuinely suggest you substantiate that. I attend a school that is, I would assume, better than anything you attended.

*turns the hoses on The blessed Chris and Lacadaemon*

I think he's asking if it's the case that most Americans have English ancestry.
If so, no, they don't. Most have German ancenstry according to a recent census (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries.jpg/543px-Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries.jpg).

So you are a product of the comprehensive system.

Can you not read?

Chris happens to attend the best damn state school in the England, which, as it happens, is selective, not a comprehensive school. A passing familiarity with British education would reveal as much.:rolleyes:

If so, no, they don't. Most have German ancenstry according to a recent census.

And they all claim they're Irish or Scotch ;)

That's true. But it is also true that nearly 4/10ths of all UK households actually buys one of those three papers. I'm sure a lot more people read them than is claimed.

Not really. Go to a working class suburb, and the figure is close to 9/10, however, the middle classes tend to read the quality papers.

If so, no, they don't. Most have German ancenstry according to a recent census (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries.jpg/543px-Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries.jpg).

Actually, a lot of Americans do seem to have german-sounding surnames.

Does anyone else find it odd that while people in the UK act as if all they ever read is the economist, new statesman and guardian, the three top selling newspapers are by far: The news of the world, the Sun (my particular favorite), and the Mail?

You know perfectly well why:
The News of the Screws and The Sun feature pictures of women wearing very little, while the Mail has a large sport section (almost entirely about football) and a large lifestyle section (about makeup and the lastest fad diet).

Not really. Go to a working class suburb, and the figure is close to 9/10, however, the middle classes tend to read the quality papers.
QFT.

i read the Times when i do read the papers. the net's easier for news though as you don't have to go out to get it... (or pay a paperboy)

Can you not read?

Chris happens to attend the best damn state school in the England, which, as it happens, is selective, not a comprehensive school. A passing familiarity with British education would reveal as much.:rolleyes:

eton? :confused:

Meh...its the mail. Thats means its BS.

political correctness gone mad

Can you not read?

Chris happens to attend the best damn state school in the England, which, as it happens, is selective, not a comprehensive school. A passing familiarity with British education would reveal as much.:rolleyes:

And which school would that be?

And which school would that be?

CRGS.

hmmm..... no.

As fpr Cameron, I quite agree. Blameron will simply prove to be another slavishly centrist, mediocre prime minister, who will prevaricate and posture whilst achieving very little. I always maintain that it is tragic that Hague was not elected in 2001, before New Labour and Cameron truly killed principled politics.
For once, I agree with you. He may be a Tory tosspot, at least he's not a Blairite/New Labour/New Tory tosspot and knows how to take the piss out of the French. Probably a good guy to go town the pub and have a drink with, I think.

For once, I agree with you. He may be a Tory tosspot, at least he's not a Blairite/New Labour/New Tory tosspot and knows how to take the piss out of the French. Probably a good guy to go town the pub and have a drink with, I think.

Exactly. How boring would a trip to the pub with Tony, David and Gordon be?

Very, unless you can buy drinks laced with Potassium Cyanide.

Or wait until Gordon and Tony have a drunken "I love you man" moment. That'd be quality.

Exactly. How boring would a trip to the pub with Tony, David and Gordon be?
Very, unless you can buy drinks laced with Potassium Cyanide.

Or wait until Gordon and Tony have a drunken "I love you man" moment. That'd be quality.
I knew all that 'Tony and Gordon hate each other' stuff was a lie - just think of all the money you could make selling that one to the tabloids!

And it seems we have yet another drunken jolt time warp!

I knew all that 'Tony and Gordon hate each other' stuff was a lie - just think of all the money you could make selling that one to the tabloids!

And it seems we have yet another drunken jolt time warp!

"Lets do the timewarp again.......":p

Didn't you know? Gordon and Tony are best friends really, theyve just strung us along for a while....;)

CRGS.

Good for you, just ebcuase you go to a good school dosn't mean your right though, there splenty of dickheads at my school and it pritty good. Meh, I'd abolish all Grammer Schools anyway.

Good for you, just ebcuase you go to a good school dosn't mean your right though, there splenty of dickheads at my school and it pritty good. Meh, I'd abolish all Grammer Schools anyway.

He asked, I answered. As it happens, I do take pride in having had a better education than the majority, but that was superfluous to the original question.

Equally, why abolish grammar schools? They ensure that those who can exploit a better education are able to do so.

He asked, I answered. As it happens, I do take pride in having had a better education than the majority, but that was superfluous to the original question.

Equally, why abolish grammar schools? They ensure that those who can exploit a better education are able to do so.

There are several reasons to abolish grammer schools, the first is the social inequality that it creates, and the sense of hatred between diffrent schools, the second is that many intellagent people will go to a worse school ebcuase the 11 plus is, to be frank, a crap test, third, it favours middle class parents who can afford tutors, fourth, many people get in who don't deserve it...

In fact there are a lkot of reasons really, why keep them. Yes they benfit maybe 25% of the populance who go to one but they harm the toehr 75%.

Is that “too funny” as in, “nearing accurate information”?

Or “too funny” as in “ruins the point of my OP”?

Neither.

eton? :confused:
Eton is private isn't it?

Good for you, just ebcuase you go to a good school dosn't mean your right though, there splenty of dickheads at my school and it pritty good. Meh, I'd abolish all Grammer Schools anyway.
If it's so good, why is your spelling so subpar?

There are several reasons to abolish grammer schools, the first is the social inequality that it creates, and the sense of hatred between diffrent schools, the second is that many intellagent people will go to a worse school ebcuase the 11 plus is, to be frank, a crap test, third, it favours middle class parents who can afford tutors, fourth, many people get in who don't deserve it...
Inequality is the last thing I care about, but leaving that aside, how precisely do Grammar schools cause all of the above? I am not too familiar with the British schooling system, given that I went to a private school abroad.

In fact there are a lkot of reasons really, why keep them. Yes they benfit maybe 25% of the populance who go to one but they harm the toehr 75%.
How? By making the rest jealous of that 25%?

Eton is private isn't it?
Correct.


If it's so good, why is your spelling so subpar?


Thing called dislexia mate, and not using a spellcheck, to eb honest I don't give a flying fuck about spelling, contents far mroe improtant.


Inequality is the last thing I care about, but leaving that aside, how precisely do Grammar schools cause all of the above? I am not too familiar with the British schooling system, given that I went to a private school abroad.

Okay:

1) Social Inequality: Poor kids very rarly get into grammer schools, if you look at my school I can gaurntee about 2/3s of the pupils are middle class. why? Because they haev the money to afford tutors to get into the school and they have the knowlage how to navgate the appeals process if there darlings get through.

Hosues near grammer schools prices go through the roof so parents can get in the catchment area-creating larger numbers of middle-class pupils in those school, it means that working class pupils are forced from the area-meaning you get areas of deprivation around poor working class comps and rich middle class grammers.

2) The 11 plus test has been proved to be flawed. I can very easly be subverted becuase all questions are very similar each year. such questions also discrimate against those that have problems like dislexia and dispraxia-its been shown that it is likley Einstine wouldn't have got into a Grammer School because of his working class background and his dislexia. 22% of pupils in grammer schools are of lower intellagence han many of there Secondary Modern Compatriots.

3) Already explained

4) Already explained.

This is on top of the problems like anti-social behavour that is caused in areas with grammer schools, the sense of failure Secondary Modern pupils often feel, the lack of rescources secondary modern pupils get, Secondary Modern Pupils preform worse than those in Comps with the same intellagence.

Grammer Schools befit a very few bright sparks, the system fails the vast majority of others.


How? By making the rest jealous of that 25%?

Yeah, thats a large part of it, you get the usual things, posh twats and so on. Becuase of the abuse of the system by some parents theres a sense resentment and hatred. I can cite the frequent fights between pupils of my school and Aireville, or between Wharfedale and Ermysteds pupils as an example. A comprehensive system is not only fairer but aslo better for a vast majority of people.

Correct.



Thing called dislexia mate, and not using a spellcheck, to eb honest I don't give a flying fuck about spelling, contents far mroe improtant.



Okay:

1) Social Inequality: Poor kids very rarly get into grammer schools, if you look at my school I can gaurntee about 2/3s of the pupils are middle class. why? Because they haev the money to afford tutors to get into the school and they have the knowlage how to navgate the appeals process if there darlings get through.

Hosues near grammer schools prices go through the roof so parents can get in the catchment area-creating larger numbers of middle-class pupils in those school, it means that working class pupils are forced from the area-meaning you get areas of deprivation around poor working class comps and rich middle class grammers.

2) The 11 plus test has been proved to be flawed. I can very easly be subverted becuase all questions are very similar each year. such questions also discrimate against those that have problems like dislexia and dispraxia-its been shown that it is likley Einstine wouldn't have got into a Grammer School because of his working class background and his dislexia. 22% of pupils in grammer schools are of lower intellagence han many of there Secondary Modern Compatriots.

3) Already explained

4) Already explained.

This is on top of the problems like anti-social behavour that is caused in areas with grammer schools, the sense of failure Secondary Modern pupils often feel, the lack of rescources secondary modern pupils get, Secondary Modern Pupils preform worse than those in Comps with the same intellagence.

Grammer Schools befit a very few bright sparks, the system fails the vast majority of others.



Yeah, thats a large part of it, you get the usual things, posh twats and so on. Becuase of the abuse of the system by some parents theres a sense resentment and hatred. I can cite the frequent fights between pupils of my school and Aireville, or between Wharfedale and Ermysteds pupils as an example. A comprehensive system is not only fairer but aslo better for a vast majority of people.

It would be so hugely hugely impractical, expensive and pointless to get rid of private schools. This inequality crap is irrelavent, you're not suddenly going to become better off if you abolish private schools, the only differnence is you wont feel jealous of private school children.

It would be so hugely hugely impractical, expensive and pointless to get rid of private schools. This inequality crap is irrelavent, you're not suddenly going to become better off if you abolish private schools, the only differnence is you wont feel jealous of private school children.

We're not talking abotu Private schools mate, though i would like to get rid of them as well, we're talking about GRammer schools-that is state run selective schools.

We're not talking abotu Private schools mate, though i would like to get rid of them as well, we're talking about GRammer schools-that is state run selective schools.

The Grammer school system was abolished years ago, wasnt it? I don't know of a single grammar school in my area....

Lovely idea. Rather than CREATE new jobs in an ethnically diverse community and offer them up, let's throw gainfully employed people out of work and give their jobs to others.

I don't understand was passes for logic these days.

Just like no one in the US voted for Nixon.

I didn't... I think I was in elementary school.

We're not talking abotu Private schools mate, though i would like to get rid of them as well
Absolutely not. The State can do whatever it likes with its own schools, but private ones are not its business.

This is just further proof that the mud-people are here to take our jobs, our towns, our women and exterminate our genetic and cultural heritage! :rolleyes:
LOL
Except its the whiteys trying to take them away from others.
The Conservative's diversity spokesman, Dominic Grieve, said: "This is very worrying. The Government should not be penalising people because of the ethnic make-up of where they live. The Government needs to explain just how widespread this policy is."

Louise Bagshawe, the candidate who received the letter, said: "Labour has controlled Corby council for 23 years and the town is very deprived. We have the lowest wages in Northamptonshire. Now locals are being told that Corby is too British for British jobs
This is so wrong.

Lovely idea. Rather than CREATE new jobs in an ethnically diverse community and offer them up, let's throw gainfully employed people out of work and give their jobs to others.

I don't understand was passes for logic these days.

For the record, the Daily Mail was lying through their teeth. The actual reason for the change was logistics.

Why the hell are public schools called private? It just makes reading this confusing. :(

Why the hell are public schools called private? It just makes reading this confusing. :(
Heh, where did anyone call public schools private?

Heh, where did anyone call public schools private?

Huh? Nevermind, I'm too confused already.

The Grammer school system was abolished years ago, wasnt it? I don't know of a single grammar school in my area....

Theres about 67 of them left.


Absolutely not. The State can do whatever it likes with its own schools, but private ones are not its business.
I have nothing against people making money, but I would prefer everyone to start off on an equal footing if possable, so that the cream rises to the top. That dosn't happen with private schools. More than that private schools bring the state sector down because those with the money and ability to improve there local school often send there kids to a private school, depriving the public school of that rescource.

For the record, the Daily Mail was lying through their teeth. The actual reason for the change was logistics.

And it's only twenty-ish miles anyway. I'm sure if they wanted to keep their jobs they'd be able to. Hell, there might even be a bus from Corby to Leicester.

And British despised Americans for electing Bush? LOL. Labour seems to be such a joke!


Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=439284&in_page_id=1770)

Let's see... he's lied about several things, he ignored two massive protests (top-up fees and war), he's destroying the NHS by closing important units such as maternity units amongst other things, and if the a person from another party (such as conservatives) asks him a genuine question (such as one about maternity wards being closed) then bliar just uses it as an excuse to attack him instead of answering a question that a lot of the poulation probably want to know the answer to... it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that he could be racist too - against white people or any other coloured people.

For the record, the Daily Mail was lying through their teeth. The actual reason for the change was logistics.

Actually, it is you who are lying through your teeth. Here is Guardian:


Prison Service attacked over office relocation


Staff and agencies
Thursday March 1, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

A Prison Service administrative office is being relocated because its staff are too white and not well educated enough, an MP claimed today.

The 90 staff at Crown House in Corby, Northants - which handles prison contracts for catering, transport and prisoner escorts - have been told their jobs are to move to a new building in Leicester.

One of the factors behind the move is said to be that the city boasts a more diverse workforce with a higher proportion of university graduates.

Philip Hollobone, the Conservative MP for nearby Kettering, said some of his constituents had been told they were to lose their jobs.

In the letter, seen by the Press Association, Anne Beasley, the Home Office's director of finance, lists the four main reasons for transferring the office to Leicester.

In that list, the top two clauses are: "Our ability to recruit professional procurement and other staff (the population of Corby is around 53,000 of which 9% are qualified to degree level: the population of Leicester is around 280,000 of which 17% hold degrees).

"Our ability to attract a more diverse workforce (93.7% of the population of Corby are white British, compared to 59.6% in Leicester)."

Mr Hollobone said: "It is the wrong move for the wrong reasons.

"My constituents are affected and employees are being told they are too white. Another factor listed is to do with the number of graduates in the area, so they are also being told they are too stupid."

But the Prison Service said diversity issues were only a "secondary" consideration behind the move.

The move was almost forced on officials as the building was in the middle of a major redevelopment plan going on in the centre of Corby.

He added: "To suggest the government is going to move offices for diversity reasons is ludicrous.

"The potential sale of the property has given Her Majesty's Prison Service the opportunity to look at what provides the best option for the Prison Service and therefore the taxpayer.

"The key factors that influenced our decision to relocate to Leicester were the closer proximity to a greater number of prison establishments, better transport links, the ability to recruit professional staff and the ability to attract a more diverse workforce."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/prisons/story/0,,2024181,00.html

To try to attract a more diverse workforce was indeed one of the reasons.

LOL
Except its the whiteys trying to take them away from others.

This is so wrong.

Oh, well. Race traitors, that's all they are!