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So this scumbag anti-american, anti-freedom piece of shit has made it his life's work to stop porn. Not kiddy porn or anything else harmful, just normal porn. He's used such underhanded tactics as these to censor what adults can watch.

He testified about pornography's dangers before a commission created by Attorney General Edwin Meese and in 1985 recommended a strategy for "testing the endurance" of pornographers by charging them in several states to crush them financially.
"As profitable as these enterprises may be, there is a limit to the prison terms, fines and forfeiture of assets to which obscenity distributors will subject themselves,"

Is is possible to deport someone who was born in the US? I'm sure he'd be much happier in Iran or Saudi Arabia among like-minded freedom hating terrorists.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5306384

Can't somebody find a useful occupation for this poor guy, and tell him to leave the adults alone?

Heh, the bio at the end of the article reminded me of something...

The problems of having too much time on your hands.
Some people would look at porn.

OH WAIT!

Wonder how much taxpayer money this jackass has wasted?

Can't somebody find a useful occupation for this poor guy, and tell him to leave the adults alone?
he should take up a hobby - like masturbating to 'net porn.
That's what the rest of us do.

What exactly are you people complaining about?

Ward, who was among the most strident adversaries of the porn industry as U.S. Attorney in Utah in the 1980s, is heading a new Justice Department task force aimed at enforcing federal obscenity laws.
In his first year, his biggest win came against the makers of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos - whose blurred-out party-girl ads are a late-night TV staple - who failed to document the ages of the women in the videos, as required by law, and agreed to pay $2.1 million in fines.

Looks like he's doing nothing but enforcing the law...His job, by the looks of it. You people think we should just look the other way and allow illegal porn (child porn, rape footage, third country sex slaves porn, spy footage of people that don't know they are being recorded etc., etc., etc. :mad: ) to go on unchecked? I think not.

I think the people that should 'get a life' here are the ones complaining about this public servant who is actually doing his job, and apparently doing it well.

What exactly are you people complaining about?

Ward, who was among the most strident adversaries of the porn industry as U.S. Attorney in Utah in the 1980s, is heading a new Justice Department task force aimed at enforcing federal obscenity laws.
In his first year, his biggest win came against the makers of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos - whose blurred-out party-girl ads are a late-night TV staple - who failed to document the ages of the women in the videos, as required by law, and agreed to pay $2.1 million in fines.

Looks like he's doing nothing but enforcing the law...His job, by the looks of it. You people think we should just look the other way and allow illegal porn (child porn, rape footage, third country sex slaves porn, spy footage of people that don't know they are being recorded etc., etc., etc. :mad: ) to go on unchecked? I think not.

I think the people that should 'get a life' here are the ones complaining about this public servant who is actually doing his job, and apparently doing it well.

You raise a decent point, but I doubt his motivations end where the law does.

What exactly are you people complaining about?

Ward, who was among the most strident adversaries of the porn industry as U.S. Attorney in Utah in the 1980s, is heading a new Justice Department task force aimed at enforcing federal obscenity laws.
In his first year, his biggest win came against the makers of the "Girls Gone Wild" videos - whose blurred-out party-girl ads are a late-night TV staple - who failed to document the ages of the women in the videos, as required by law, and agreed to pay $2.1 million in fines.

Looks like he's doing nothing but enforcing the law...His job, by the looks of it. You people think we should just look the other way and allow illegal porn (child porn, rape footage, third country sex slaves porn, spy footage of people that don't know they are being recorded etc., etc., etc. :mad: ) to go on unchecked? I think not.

I think the people that should 'get a life' here are the ones complaining about this public servant who is actually doing his job, and apparently doing it well.
He's "Just doing his job" isn't an excuse for violating the first amendment to the constitution. Girls gone wild didn't document ages. Fine, he's got a point there. But the girls gone wild case didn't occupy the bulk of his time. Most of the time he's trying to bring down the 12 billion dollar porn industry. A legal industry that contributes to the US economy. He has no right to do that. Personally I think he should be disbarred and sentenced to a prison term for reckless prosecution.

He's "Just doing his job" isn't an excuse for violating the first amendment to the constitution. Girls gone wild didn't document ages. Fine, he's got a point there. But the girls gone wild case didn't occupy the bulk of his time. Most of the time he's trying to bring down the 12 billion dollar porn industry. A legal industry that contributes to the US economy. He has no right to do that. Personally I think he should be disbarred and sentenced to a prison term for reckless prosecution.

From your article.

Judges first in Washington, D.C., and later the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the strategy went too far. The 10th Circuit judges called the charges "the tainted fruit of a prosecutorial attempt to curtail P.H.E.'s future First Amendment protected speech."
The strategy hasn't been used since in obscenity cases.

Looks like he learned the boundries of what he can and cannot do and adhers to them now.

As long as Americans continue to have a Victorian prudishness about sex, there will continue to be people who want to ban adult entertainment on both the left and the right.

But we don't aggressively pursue the out of control elements of the financial services industry who purvey sub-prime loans at egregiously high finance rates, title loans (interest rates vary from 80-400%), payday loans (50-200% interest), and secured sub-prime credit cards at 17-24% APR.

Shows you precisely where our priorities are doesn't it?

As long as Americans continue to have a Victorian prudishness about sex, there will continue to be people who want to ban adult entertainment on both the left and the right.

But we don't aggressively pursue the out of control elements of the financial services industry who purvey sub-prime loans at egregiously high finance rates, title loans (interest rates vary from 80-400%), payday loans (50-200% interest), and secured sub-prime credit cards at 17-24% APR.

Shows you precisely where our priorities are doesn't it?

The Catholic Church and Prohibition also proved that you can't suppress normal human impulses without dire blowouts and that someone will always provide a fix. Especially if it becomes illegal.

*starts singing*

KATE
The internet is really really great
TREKKIE MONSTER
For porn
KATE
I’ve got a fast connection so i don’t have to wait
TREKKIE
For porn
KATE
Huh?
There's always some new site,
TREKKIE
For porn!
I browse all day and night
TREKKIE
For porn!
KATE
It's like i’m surfing at the speed of light
TREKKIE
For porn!
KATE
Trekkie!

TREKKIE
The internet is for porn
KATE
Trekkie!
TREKKIE
The internet is for porn,
KATE
What are you doing!?
TREKKIE
Why you think the net was born?
Porn porn porn

KATE
Treee—kkie!
TREKKIE
Oh hello kate monster
KATE
You are ruining my song
TREKKIE
Oh me sorry, me no mean to
KATE
Well if you wouldnt mind please being quiet for a minute so i can finish?
TREKKIE
Me no talkie
KATE
Good

I’m glad we have this new technology
TREKKIE
For porn
KATE
Which gives us untold opportunity
TREKKIE
For por—oops, sorry
KATE
Right from you own desktop
TREKKIE
For ---
KATE
You can research browse and shop
Until you’ve had enough and your ready to stop
TREKKIE
FOR PORN!!


Trekkie!
TREKKIE
The internet is for porn!
KATE
Noooo
TREKKIE
The internet if for porn!
KATE
Trekkie
TREKKIE
Me up all night honking me horn to porn, porn, porn!

KATE
That’s gross you’re a pervert
TREKKIE
Ah, sticks and stones Kate monster
KATE
NO really, your a pervert
Normal people don’t sit at home and look
At porn on the internet
TREKKIE
Ohhhh?
KATE
What?!
TREKKIE
You have no idea
Ready normal people?

NORMAL PEOPLE
Ready--- ready ----ready

TREKKIE
Let me hear it!

TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON
Sorry kate
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
PRINCETON
I masturbate!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
All these guys unzip their flies
For porn, porn, porn!

KATE
The internet is not for porn!!

TREKKIE AND GUYS
PORN!, PORN, P---

KATE
HOLD ON A SECOND!

Now i know for a fact that you, Rob, check your portfolio and trade stocks online

ROB
That’s correct.

KATE
And Brian, you buy things on Amazon.com

BRIAN
Sure!

KATE
And Gary, you keep selling your possesions on Ebay

GARY
Yes I do!

KATE
And Princeton, you sent me that sweet online birthday card

PRINCETON
True!

TREKKIE
Oh, but Kate-
What you think he do . . .after? hmm?

PRINCETON
. .yeah

KATE
EEEWWWWW!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
KATE
Gross!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
The internet is for porn!
KATE
I hate porn
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Grab your dick and double click
KATE
I hate you men!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
For porn, porn, porn!
(harmonizing) porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE
I’m leaving!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Porn, porn, porn, porn
porn, porn, porn, porn
KATE
I hate the internet!
TREKKIE AND GUYS
Porn, porn, porn, porn

TREKKIE
The internet is for

TREKKIE AND SOME
The internet is for

TREKKIE AND ALL
The internet is for PORN!

TREKKIE
YEAH!

God I love Avenue Q

Give the man a computer and hook him up to the internet - either he dies of a stroke (although I wish him no harm) or he finally realizes what he's been missing. ;)

And keep yer dirty hands off my porn! (Hmpf. That doesn't sound right.)

Anyway, that guy needs a serious occupation. Or another hobby.

There's a line between being good at/loving what you do and taking it to a messianic extreme. It's all well and good to regulate an industry trafficking in such a sensitive product, but you shouldn't be in charge of ANY industry's regulation if you're ON RECORD as being personally dedicated to its eradication. That's worse than the fox guarding the henhouse; that's the vegans guarding the ranch.

God I love Avenue Q

Indeed. What do you do with a BA in English?

Can you imagine the Censorship Monster that would be created if he went on the down low with Jack Thompson?

Indeed. What do you do with a BA in English?

What is my life going to be?

PRINCETON: Trekkie, where did you get $10 million?

TREKKIE: In volatile market, only safe investment is PORN!

Give the man a computer and hook him up to the internet - either he dies of a stroke (although I wish him no harm) or he finally realizes what he's been missing. ;)

And keep yer dirty hands off my porn! (Hmpf. That doesn't sound right.)

Anyway, that guy needs a serious occupation. Or another hobby.

Good thing women aren't that much at risk when it comes to strokes.
Now gimme porn! :D

So this scumbag anti-american, anti-freedom piece of shit has made it his life's work to stop porn. Not kiddy porn or anything else harmful, just normal porn. He's used such underhanded tactics as these to censor what adults can watch.



Is is possible to deport someone who was born in the US? I'm sure he'd be much happier in Iran or Saudi Arabia among like-minded freedom hating terrorists.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5306384

I say good for him. In a perfect world pornography would be banned.

I say good for him. In a perfect world pornography would be banned.

Although it is possible that, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need porn anymore, I doubt any perfect world would have it banned.

I say good for him. In a perfect world pornography would be banned.

Not in my perfect world it wouldn't.

I say good for him. In a perfect world pornography would be banned.

In a perfect world, nothing would be banned, because nothing would have to be.

Although it is possible that, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need porn anymore, I doubt any perfect world would have it banned.

I don't think anyone needs porn, and in a perfect world I don't think it would be banned.

I think porn is often harmful, but I don't really see a need to ban it, provided everyone is obeying the law, I think it's one of those things that I won't partake in, but it's a waste of money, time, and manpower to do anything about.

I don't think anyone needs porn, and in a perfect world I don't think it would be banned.

I think porn is often harmful, but I don't really see a need to ban it, provided everyone is obeying the law, I think it's one of those things that I won't partake in, but it's a waste of money, time, and manpower to do anything about.

Harmful? I mean, I guess if you overdid it, you might chafe a bit without proper lubrication, but that seems a negligible risk.

Not in my perfect world it wouldn't.

What we see as the perfect world or society could not be farther apart.

Harmful? I mean, I guess if you overdid it, you might chafe a bit without proper lubrication, but that seems a negligible risk.

Oy the chafing sucks!

Oy the chafing sucks!

Aye, one mustn't misunderstand my statement. The chafing sucks, but, proper precautions taken, it is unlikely.

Harmful? I mean, I guess if you overdid it, you might chafe a bit without proper lubrication, but that seems a negligible risk.

hey, I don't care.

Do what you want.

As long as you aren't harming someone else, it's really none of the government's business.

hey, I don't care.

Do what you want.

As long as you aren't harming someone else, it's really none of the government's business.

But you said it was often harmful. And it rather sounded as though you, yourself cared. So what, you're only on about self-harm or something?

Am I the only one who thought:
"Man, that guy is SUCH a pedo."
When I saw his picture?

But you said it was often harmful. And it rather sounded as though you, yourself cared. So what, you're only on about self-harm or something?

In my opinion it's harmful, in my opinion a lot of things are harmful. I don't think they should all be banned.

In my opinion it's harmful, in my opinion a lot of things are harmful. I don't think they should all be banned.

Out of curiosity, in what way harmful?

Am I the only one who thought:
"Man, that guy is SUCH a pedo."
When I saw his picture?

Couldn't see it first time 'cause noscript didn't let it load. He does have the "pedo-smile".

In my opinion it's harmful, in my opinion a lot of things are harmful. I don't think they should all be banned.

I never said you thought it should be banned. In a roundabout way, I want to know who is being harmed, and how.

Out of curiosity, in what way harmful?

mostly completely unscientific social and religious reasons, which is mostly the reason I don't think it should be banned.

mostly completely unscientific social and religious reasons, which is mostly the reason I don't think it should be banned.

Name some of the social ones.

I never said you thought it should be banned. In a roundabout way, I want to know who is being harmed, and how.

why do you care?

why do you care?

Because it's interesting. You, as opposed to other people here, hold the possibility of having something resembling an original belief. Far and few between, those are.

Name some of the social ones.

I think it gives people (mostly young people who are inexperienced) wrong ideas about sex. I think it causes a bunch of pain in families, when one person is addicted to it, stuff like that.

What we see as the perfect world or society could not be farther apart.

Then how could it possibly be perfect? Unless you meant "perfect just for you" :p

I think it gives people (mostly young people who are inexperienced) wrong ideas about sex. I think it causes a bunch of pain in families, when one person is addicted to it, stuff like that.

Ah. So you see it a lot like, say, alcohol for example?

I think it gives people (mostly young people who are inexperienced) wrong ideas about sex.

I have many friends, now into their twenties, who still think woman are either 1) nagging housewives or 2) moaning, sex-crazed machines, who are gagging for it all the time. It is undoubtedly a result of too much porn and too little contact with real women.

Ah. So you see it a lot like, say, alcohol for example?

yes, like alcohol, and drugs, and TV, and internet, and working too much, and playing too much golf, and all sorts of other things that can be harmful.

I think it gives people (mostly young people who are inexperienced) wrong ideas about sex. I think it causes a bunch of pain in families, when one person is addicted to it, stuff like that.

I can see the first one, case in point, our friend Johnny B Goode (sorry buddy, but...*shrug*). Still though, misinformation's nothing new. I shudder to think how often and constantly I'm harmed under that definition.

Isn't the addiction more psychological? I mean, it's not like addictive chemicals are involved, is it really the porn's fault?

I have many friends, now into their twenties, who still think woman are either 1) nagging housewives or 2) moaning, sex-crazed machines, who are gagging for it all the time. It is undoubtedly a result of too much porn and too little contact with real women.

Hmm, interesting choice in friends then? All I can say. (Well, no, I could say more, but I'm not gonna)

I can see the first one, case in point, our friend Johnny B Goode (sorry buddy, but...*shrug*). Still though, misinformation's nothing new. I shudder to think how often and constantly I'm harmed under that definition.
I think I originally said "can be harmful", I didn't mean to imply that it's always harmful to everyone, nothing is always harmful to everyone.

Isn't the addiction more psychological? I mean, it's not like addictive chemicals are involved, is it really the porn's fault?
I am not sure what I think about addiction, I have been addicted to a lot of stuff in my life, I am not really sure who or what is to blame for that (if anyone or anything)

I can see the first one, case in point, our friend Johnny B Goode (sorry buddy, but...*shrug*). Still though, misinformation's nothing new. I shudder to think how often and constantly I'm harmed under that definition.

Isn't the addiction more psychological? I mean, it's not like addictive chemicals are involved, is it really the porn's fault?

It's a mental thing. Your body comes to rely on the adrenal and hormonal (?) boost caused by the porn, not the physical porn itself.

Hmm, interesting choice in friends then? All I can say. (Well, no, I could say more, but I'm not gonna)

No, not really. Quite normal people actually.

Like Smunkee, I'm not saying that porn is something that should be banned. I do, however, think that there are obvious side effects that it can have on people that we would be foolish to ignore.

Like about all products/activities, porn should be used in moderation. I'm sure everyone here agrees with me. :)

I'm gonna have to agree, I guess.

Too much at one time can lead to injury. :D

Aye, one mustn't misunderstand my statement. The chafing sucks, but, proper precautions taken, it is unlikely.

Precautions... yes that would help wouldn't it?

I have many friends, now into their twenties, who still think woman are either 1) nagging housewives or 2) moaning, sex-crazed machines, who are gagging for it all the time. It is undoubtedly a result of too much porn and too little contact with real women.

Like about all products/activities, porn should be used in moderation. I'm sure everyone here agrees with me. :)

I have many friends, now into their twenties, who still think woman are either 1) nagging housewives or 2) moaning, sex-crazed machines, who are gagging for it all the time. It is undoubtedly a result of too much porn and too little contact with real women.

No need for any porn to come to conclusions like that. Just watch mainstream Hollywood comedy series for any amount of time and you'll end up with pretty much the same ideas about women.

It's a mental thing. Your body comes to rely on the adrenal and hormonal (?) boost caused by the porn, not the physical porn itself.

*shrug* Possible. It's not as though you need porn to masturbate.

No, not really. Quite normal people actually.

Like Smunkee, I'm not saying that porn is something that should be banned. I do, however, think that there are obvious side effects that it can have on people that we would be foolish to ignore.

Did I say they weren't normal? :p

Like me five minutes ago, I'm not saying I think you think porn should be banned. I just don't think it's porn's fault.

I'm gonna have to agree, I guess.

Too much at one time can lead to injury. :D

See? Moderation is needed. :D

No need for any porn to come to conclusions like that. Just watch mainstream Hollywood comedy series for any amount of time and you'll end up with pretty much the same ideas about women.

Precisely! Blame Hollywood, not porn! *defends porn*

*shrug* Possible. It's not as though you need porn to masturbate.

I think I read somewhere that the chemicals from masturbation are different than the ones that are responsible for porn addiction.......but I can't find my source.

Like me five minutes ago, I'm not saying I think you think porn should be banned. I just don't think it's porn's fault.

No, it's not the fault of porn; it needs a 'receptive' mind to make people start to think like that. The trouble is, a lot of people have such a mind, and so the way it's possible to easily access pornography all day, every day, from a very young age, is not a great thing.

Admittedly, there's not a huge amount you can do about it, except try and teach children responsible attitudes towards people of the opposite sex from an early age.

Precisely! Blame Hollywood, not porn! *defends porn*
I blame Hollywood too.

No, it's not the fault of porn; it needs a 'receptive' mind to make people start to think like that. The trouble is, a lot of people have such a mind, and so the way it's possible to easily access pornography all day, every day, from a very young age, is not a great thing.

Admittedly, there's not a huge amount you can do about it, except try and teach children responsible attitudes towards people of the opposite sex from an early age.

Which is harder when most entertainment in our culture teaches the wrong attitudes.

Which is harder when most entertainment in our culture teaches the wrong attitudes.

'Course, your kids aren't so afflicted I'm sure. Because, presumably, your kids can think for themselves, and I imagine you played no small part in that.

*shrug* Possible. It's not as though you need porn to masturbate.

Some people have no imaginations though. ;)

No, it's not the fault of porn; it needs a 'receptive' mind to make people start to think like that. The trouble is, a lot of people have such a mind, and so the way it's possible to easily access pornography all day, every day, from a very young age, is not a great thing.

Admittedly, there's not a huge amount you can do about it, except try and teach children responsible attitudes towards people of the opposite sex from an early age.

And you think that if you took porn away, they wouldn't find something else?

'Course, your kids aren't so afflicted I'm sure. Because, presumably, your kids can think for themselves, and I imagine you played no small part in that.

I try to model good attitudes for them, and I try to point out ones that I find unacceptable. They are already thinking for themselves enough to call me on some of my own BS so, in a way that's reaffirming, although there is the other side of the story, where I like my BS and I don't like to be questioned. ;)

TO HELL WITH HIS RIGHTS! WE'RE TRYING TO STOP FACISTS!

-Tom Dubois, The Boondocks

And you think that if you took porn away, they wouldn't find something else?

Who said anything about taking it away?

You are trying to pick a fight with an argument of your own creation.

And you think that if you took porn away, they wouldn't find something else?

neither Philosopy or myself advocate banning porn.....

I try to model good attitudes for them, and I try to point out ones that I find unacceptable. They are already thinking for themselves enough to call me on some of my own BS so, in a way that's reaffirming, although there is the other side of the story, where I like my BS and I don't like to be questioned. ;)

Funny, questioning never does seem to go over well with adults...:p

Incidentally, what you've been able to do is what should be expected of every parent, surely. Lots of "harmful" things can be rendered null with a bit of parenting (and some of smunkee's superkids' genes).

Who said anything about taking it away?

You are trying to pick a fight with an argument of your own creation.

neither Philosopy or myself advocate banning porn.....

I knew that was coming. I just had to make sure it didn't happen to me. :p

And you think that if you took porn away, they wouldn't find something else?

Well we won't have to worry about it being taken away, it would be quite impossible to get rid of all of it. There will always be porn so we will never have find out if something could take its place. :)

Who said anything about taking it away?

You are trying to pick a fight with an argument of your own creation.

Nope, I was just trying to point out that people who get addicted to porn, or shopping, or collecting all their rubbish seem to have a mental predisposition to find an addiction, and as such it's a bit pointless to place blame on the subject of their addiction.

Nope, I was just trying to point out that people who get addicted to porn, or shopping, or collecting all their rubbish seem to have a mental predisposition to find an addiction, and as such it's a bit pointless to place blame on the subject of their addiction.

I'm not really trying to 'blame', just observe. A lack of respect towards women is one of the side effects of too much porn that I have seen in people around me. This is not to say porn should be banned, or even blamed; it is simply recognising the possibility of an issue that needs to be addressed.

So this scumbag anti-american, anti-freedom piece of shit has made it his life's work to stop porn. Not kiddy porn or anything else harmful, just normal porn. He's used such underhanded tactics as these to censor what adults can watch.



Is is possible to deport someone who was born in the US? I'm sure he'd be much happier in Iran or Saudi Arabia among like-minded freedom hating terrorists.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5306384

:sniper: <grrrr....porn haters!!!)

Nope, I was just trying to point out that people who get addicted to porn, or shopping, or collecting all their rubbish seem to have a mental predisposition to find an addiction, and as such it's a bit pointless to place blame on the subject of their addiction.

and yet, when I try to use a similar argument with the "anti-religion" crowd, I get told that religion is evil......so, it's interesting I guess, what works for some vices and not for others.

I'm not really trying to 'blame', just observe. A lack of respect towards women is one of the side effects of too much porn that I have seen in people around me. This is not to say porn should be banned, or even blamed; it is simply recognising the possibility of an issue that needs to be addressed.

You know what I find interesting about this?
I've really seen a lot of porn, mostly nice stuff but the occasional nasty thing, too. And the people who are being objectified are the men, not the women. The women are shown in full, and in what I personally think of a rather flattering positions and light. The men on the other hand are reduced to unnaturally oversized, almost plastic-looking cocks.

If watching porn would ever result in me losing respect for anyone, it would be the men, as all they seem to think of nothing else but sex.
I know there are a good few men around with very little respect for women. I doubt, however, that porn played a major role in their perception of females, as most people start watching porn at an age when they already should have the necessary respect for women (meaning their teens).

-snip-

It's not their bodies I'm thinking about. It's the way that woman are portrayed as gagging for sex, all day, every day. Wife screaming at you because you've not done the dishes? Just say sorry and she'll melt and give you a blowjob. New babysitter eating popcorn on the sofa? She obviously wants you to go and screw her.

Try any of that in real life and the consequences are likely to be a little different.

and yet, when I try to use a similar argument with the "anti-religion" crowd, I get told that religion is evil......so, it's interesting I guess, what works for some vices and not for others.

Oh, let's not get into the mental predisposition for being religious, the abyss is looming ;)

I don't think I've ever called religion evil, but I seem to recall that I did say that it served as inspiration and excuse for a lot of evil things.
I guess if porn serves as inspiration for sex, it serves its purpose. :)

It's not their bodies I'm thinking about. It's the way that woman are portrayed as gagging for sex, all day, every day. Wife screaming at you because you've not done the dishes? Just say sorry and she'll melt and give you a blowjob. New babysitter eating popcorn on the sofa? She obviously wants you to go and screw her.

Try any of that in real life and the consequences are likely to be a little different.

That works exactly the same way the other way around :
Don't want to pay for pizza? Just offer a blowjob.
Need a plumber fast? Promise him a quick number.

It displays men as always gagging for sex just the same way as it shows women.

That works exactly the same way the other way around :
Don't want to pay for pizza? Just offer a blowjob.
Need a plumber fast? Promise him a quick number.

It displays men as always gagging for sex just the same way as it shows women.

I used to deliver pizza. I would have accepted a blowjob as payment from many of the women in the town.

I used to deliver pizza. I would have accepted a blowjob as payment from many of the women in the town.

Hmm... maybe I should try and see if that REALLY works....

That works exactly the same way the other way around :
Don't want to pay for pizza? Just offer a blowjob.
Need a plumber fast? Promise him a quick number.

It displays men as always gagging for sex just the same way as it shows women.

Presumably, however, the viewing men are gagging for sex, or they wouldn't be watching it.

Again, your example shows how woman in pornography are willing to use sex as a way of getting what they want. Is that how woman should be seen in a civilised society?

Presumably, however, the viewing men are gagging for sex, or they wouldn't be watching it.

Again, your example shows how woman in pornography are willing to use sex as a way of getting what they want. Is that how woman should be seen in a civilised society?

Should a man be seen as being willing to drop all and everything the moment he gets a chance to fuck someone?

And are you assuming that only men watch porn? Or that all of them are watching it because they can't get the real thing right now?
I'm a woman and I love watching porn. And I'm not watching it because I'm starved for sex, but because I enjoy watching it, and exchanging ideas about it with my boyfriend or my lovers.

Should a man be seen as being willing to drop all and everything the moment he gets a chance to fuck someone?

And are you assuming that only men watch porn? Or that all of them are watching it because they can't get the real thing right now?
I'm a woman and I love watching porn. And I'm not watching it because I'm starved for sex, but because I enjoy watching it, and exchanging ideas about it with my boyfriend or my lovers.

This comes back to the original distinction, however, between recognising that there may a problem with pornography for some people, and accepting that it is not the same for everyone. The fact that some people are alcoholics does not mean that every person who has a pint at the weekend should be stopped from doing so; what it does mean, however, is that we try and recognise what causes certain people to respond that way to drink, and identity those at risk as soon as possible.

Would you really say that we shouldn't consider the possibility that pornography may not be healthy for everyone because you enjoy it, any more than you would say that alcoholism doesn't exist because you can control your drinking?

This comes back to the original distinction, however, between recognising that there may a problem with pornography for some people, and accepting that it is not the same for everyone. The fact that some people are alcoholics does not mean that every person who has a pint at the weekend should be stopped from doing so; what it does mean, however, is that we try and recognise what causes certain people to respond that way to drink, and identity those at risk as soon as possible.

Would you really say that we shouldn't consider the possibility that pornography may not be healthy for everyone because you enjoy it, any more than you would say that alcoholism doesn't exist because you can control your drinking?

I've never made that assumption.
But just as I don't blame alcohol for my neighbours singing the Lumberjack Song at 3 am in front of my window, so I wouldn't blame porn for some people's negative perception of women.
In both cases there are other factors that played greater roles.

I've never made that assumption.
But just as I don't blame alcohol for my neighbours singing the Lumberjack Song at 3 am in front of my window, so I wouldn't blame porn for some people's negative perception of women.
In both cases there are other factors that played greater roles.

Alcohol is what causes your neighbours to do that. Porn may be what causes people to see women in a negative light.

Yes, it may only the 'delivery vehicle' of deeper issues, the thing that brings things to the surface. But to say that we shouldn't be concerned because it is similar to the American gun community saying 'guns don't kill, people do'. Yes, a gun is useless without a person to use it, but that doesn't mean that in a sensible society we shouldn't try to control gun use. It's not that dissimilar with porn.

[End of crap analogy]