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Cheers to my most random poll yet.

What would the aliens give me if I sided with them?

Hell yeah! It's better to die fighting than waiting for dead on your bed.
If aliens attacked the earth i'd go an kill as many as i could.

You get an....

Anal Probe

Eh...anal probing doesn't sound too bad. It couldn't be worse than dying.

What would the aliens give me if I sided with them?You get an....

Anal Probe

Is is presupposed that the Aliens are some massive empire, and that they are strong physically? I ask because people usually do. Who's to say we are not- out of perhaps thousands of sentient species- the most intelligent and civilized?

Nah I would sit back and hand-wring about the whole thing. Probably blame my fellow humans for starting it in the first place because of our foreign space policies. Would also demand that the UN OK the whole operation. Of course if the US approved of it I would be universally opposed to the war. Then I would blame the US president for fabricating the whole "Threat". I would then ask for special rights given to our alien "friends". I would certainly be opposed to allowing so called enemy "alien" combatants to be housed on a Caribbean island.

Second thought I would report to Ft Lewis in uniform and hope to god that the alien death rays were stopped by our superior armor.

Cheers to my most random poll yet.

i would fight them in a war of the worlds minute!

bring it on you skinny water fearing "signs" aliens...woohooo

if your not water fearing and skinny aliens..how can i help you?;)

We would simply chase them away with boards with nails in them.

But one day, we would create a board-with-nail so big, we would only destroy ourselves.

Is is presupposed that the Aliens are some massive empire, and that they are strong physically? I ask because people usually do. Who's to say we are not- out of perhaps thousands of sentient species- the most intelligent and civilized?
Nobody, but it's a dilemma with (at present) an unprovable answer. The sheer amount of time sentient life has had to evolve (13-odd billion years) points to us being quite primitive, but the so-called Fermi Paradox equally points to us being at least the most advanced ones out there even if not necessarily alone (as the strong reading of it would imply and is often-cited).
Still, if an alien race were advanced and pushy enough to attack Earth, there's a reason I have an AK-47 Operator's Manual after all.:mp5: Imperialism would probably be the move of a low-middle tech star empire though; the big ones would probably launch a heavily-armed scientific "expedition" instead if they did anything, probably to reconcile what they might see as our relatively young (~50,000 years) biological age as a species contradicting with our relatively explosive technological growth the past 5,000-odd years as current archaeology has it. Think Stanley and Dr. Livingstone, only this time we're the Africans and the aliens are the Europeans.:eek: The old "if it can kill you, it isn't obsolete" rule may apply for me and my hypothetical AK, but I won't lie about my odds...

Where does that line come from? I have heard that one before.

The Simpsons of course.

EDIT: Why did my post pop up before yours after you had posted yours? This keeps happening and it's getting kid of annoying.

We would simply chase them away with boards with nails in them.

But one day, we would create a board-with-nail so big, we would only destroy ourselves.

Where does that line come from? I have heard that one before.

Nobody, but it's a dilemma with (at present) an unprovable answer. The sheer amount of time sentient life has had to evolve (13-odd billion years) points to us being quite primitive, but the so-called Fermi Paradox equally points to us being at least the most advanced ones out there even if not necessarily alone (as the strong reading of it would imply and is often-cited).
Still, if an alien race were advanced and pushy enough to attack Earth, there's a reason I have an AK-47 Operator's Manual after all.:mp5: Imperialism would probably be the move of a low-middle tech star empire though; the big ones would probably launch a heavily-armed scientific "expedition" instead if they did anything, probably to reconcile what they might see as our relatively young (~50,000 years) biological age as a species contradicting with our relatively explosive technological growth the past 5,000-odd years as current archaeology has it. Think Stanley and Dr. Livingstone, only this time we're the Africans and the aliens are the Europeans.:eek: The old "if it can kill you, it isn't obsolete" rule may apply for me and my hypothetical AK, but I won't lie about my odds...

I have a real AK-47 among other weapons.

If the aliens do invade I'll let you borrow it as long as you never use any of the noob Smiles ever again.

Of course I would fight. It'd be fun as hell. But a good question is, do you think after such a war, humans would quit fighting themselves? seeing that there are much bigger threats to worry about?

I don't know. If I was an alien, for example, I'd be hostile to humanity. What's their motivation? I mean, if it's simply a matter of aliens preparing to defend themselves from us, because we're a bunch of authoritarian cunts & they're not, I'd prolly join them in a second.

anyone read "Road not taken"? :D


on a serious note, what actions do they take against humans.

do they state why they hate humans?

if they look like human female here to force us human males to have sex with them and nothing bad happens at the end of it hey i'm in for that

but if other they can eat lead from the M41A pulse rifle

I have a real AK-47 among other weapons.

If the aliens do invade I'll let you borrow it as long as you never use any of the noob Smiles ever again.

anyone read "Road not taken"? :D


on a serious note, what actions do they take against humans.

do they state why they hate humans?
@ New Stalinberg: I'll try. However, why are they still listed then if they're universally derided as "n00b smileys?" Just wondering; I can think of several others making the same connotations that I'd rather see in their place as well...
@ JuNii: Yep.:cool: Still one of my favorites; and although it's as unlikely as anything else, the Universe wouldn't surprise me in the least if that actually did turn out to be the way things worked by some bizarre twist of the metaphysical screws.
On the serious note, their actions depend entirely on what their capabilities are. If they're close to us, say different only in terms of advanced spaceflight, then they'd need a truly colossal empire and resource base to pull it off. Some n00ks would be useful, sure, but too many and they'd cause the survivors to go all Fremen Jihadi on their butts; nuclear winter or no (which would make things even worse for them if it did happen). Once one approaches Vorlon-grade though, then all but the most up close and personal resistance (and that only in overwhelming numbers this time) could be swatted down without undue destruction to the "subject" of their armed scientific lark that our world would become. (That's the only reason I reliably come up with for why so advanced a culture would want to invade, aside from general empire-wank of course...)

"if it can kill you, it isn't obsolete"

I thought it was: "If it hurts, it works."

I've gotten pretty good with a 1911 Colt .45, .98 Kar, and my favorite .50 Desert Eagle. That last one blew a 6 inch thick cinderblock into two pieces that were found 10 feet from each other :D

if they look like human female here to force us human males to have sex with them and nothing bad happens at the end of it hey i'm in for that

but if other they can eat lead from the M41A pulse rifle

You wouldn't be worried about alien warts or some other kind of alien STD? We have some nasty ones here on earth. But I couldn't imagine a genital wart with tentacles.

I thought it was: "If it hurts, it works."

I've gotten pretty good with a 1911 Colt .45, .98 Kar, and my favorite .50 Desert Eagle. That last one blew a 6 inch thick cinderblock into two pieces that were found 10 feet from each other :D

A Kar? Ha! My 1930 $120 Soviet made Mosin-Nagant could own your Kar any day of the week!

Assuming of course, the bolt would operate smoothly.

I thought it was: "If it hurts, it works."

I've gotten pretty good with a 1911 Colt .45, .98 Kar, and my favorite .50 Desert Eagle. That last one blew a 6 inch thick cinderblock into two pieces that were found 10 feet from each other :D

Only if those aliens had cinderblock heads.... :p

You wouldn't be worried about alien warts or some other kind of alien STD? We have some nasty ones here on earth. But I couldn't imagine a genital wart with tentacles.

then again it may end in blood after to all with human females going after them

A Kar? Ha! My 1930 $120 Soviet made Mosin-Nagant could own your Kar any day of the week!

Assuming of course, the bolt would operate smoothly.

Depends on the circumstances, past 80 yards I'm very confident I would win if neither of us had a scope, seeing as I've never used one. :p

Under 50 I would just use the Colt, which has been more accurate than the anti tank pistol.

I just say get out your guns and shoot at them randomly until they fall dead.

I'd be alright with it if they forced the best and brightest of us all to copulate continuously for 3 weeks. Oh yes.

I'd like to believe that is all that aliens do.

Nah I would sit back and hand-wring about the whole thing. Probably blame my fellow humans for starting it in the first place because of our foreign space policies. Would also demand that the UN OK the whole operation. Of course if the US approved of it I would be universally opposed to the war. Then I would blame the US president for fabricating the whole "Threat". I would then ask for special rights given to our alien "friends". I would certainly be opposed to allowing so called enemy "alien" combatants to be housed on a Caribbean island.

Second thought I would report to Ft Lewis in uniform and hope to god that the alien death rays were stopped by our superior armor.

Actually, what you would probably do is go to war against Vulcan when it was Romulus that had attacked. Then you'd completely fuck it up, allowing Romulan agents to infiltrate the planet you were occupying and turn the Vulcans to their cause. You would convince others to attack Vulcan by claiming that they were building Weapons of Planetary Destruction, which they weren't. You would indiscriminately capture Vulcans and torture them for information. And in all this, you would make sure your own cronies would get posts in positions "Rebuilding" Vulcan.

Yes, your metaphor sucks hard.

I just say get out your guns and shoot at them randomly until they fall dead.

From a CoC game.
Player 1: I shoot the cultist.
DM: with a gurgle, the cultist falls dead.
Player 1: I keep shooting him... I empty my clip into him.
DM: Ok, your gun's slide locks back. you're empty.
Player 1: I reload and I empty that clip into him.

I'd betray mankind to the aliens. Like my hero Gaius Baltar.

You might think you wouldn't fight but you would. You would because even if you think mercy is the mark of a great man you wouldn't be fighting men, they would not show restraint for children or the crippled, they would kill you given then chance. You may think it's hard to kill a man but it's not nearly as to shoot a turkey and those aliens would have even less in common with you than the turkey. No questions asked, no prisoners taken.

No, I really would. There is no doubt in my mind. Mankind has it coming.

I would definately fight against them. Now if they were small, cute. and cuddly aliens i would second guess it...kinda like killing a dog or a kitty. Maybe keep one as a pet!

Battlecruiser operational.

Battlecruiser operational.

dont you just miss the days of starcraft?:p

dont you just miss the days of starcraft?:p

Miss? I'm getting ready to play right now. :p

Come on people, it is your duty to your race to defend yourselves from hostile elements, be they aliens, other races, come what may. To die for your race is the greatest virtue a man can attain.

Of course I would fight. It'd be fun as hell. But a good question is, do you think after such a war, humans would quit fighting themselves? seeing that there are much bigger threats to worry about?

Read Harry Turtledove for an analysis...:(

Also, since the aliens had crossed the void to attack us, they would clearly be technologically more advanced, and therefore superior to us.

How could I stand in the way. Hopefully, after they have subjugated us, they would bring us the benefit of civilization.

And if not, oh, well.

Also, since the aliens had crossed the void to attack us, they would clearly be technologically more advanced, and therefore superior to us.

They might not be that much more advanced than us. Maybe they just figured out how to create a wormhole generator, allowing them to travel vast distances in a short period of time. :)

Or then again, maybe while we see in 3 dimensions, they exist in 4 dimensions, making them invisible to us :eek: ...::insert Twilight Zone music::

They might not be that much more advanced than us. Maybe they just figured out how to create a wormhole generator, allowing them to travel vast distances in a short period of time. :)

That's still more advanced. And therefore they are more civilized. Civilization = technology.

If aliens are within our scope of technological understanding:

Plan A) Fight them tooth and nail using what ever we could get our hands on. Capture their mysterious make-go-fast drives and put them into earth built ships. Find their home planet and nuke the bejezzus out of it till its polished glass.

If aliens are not within our scope of technological understanding:

Plan B) Fight them as before. Get conquered. Secretly unravel their tech. Rebel. See plan A.

If there are any advanced races in our galaxy that are capable of interstellar space flight, the only reason we have not seen them is either we are too insignificant to worry about or..

We are a "protected" planet, like a wilderness reserve, protected by a powerful race and any contact with us is prohibited.

Considering the thousands of galaxies out there, we could be simply in the Unknown Zones of a galactic government and unchartered. Though it would seem radio waves from Earth would be intercepted by someone listening.

If we can see the way science is headed, it seems interstellar flight will be possible one day so we can assume at least 1 planet out there has discovered interstellar flight unless they destroyed themselves by a World War.

Realistically, if we are alone in this galaxy or this part of the galaxy, the first to stumble upon us would be a scout or exploration ship.


Or...
you could go the route of some people that believe the pictures of thousands of UFOs over various cities and countries around the globe, as well as ancient artwork depicting flying objects means we have already been visited/are being watched. It could just be atmospheric anomolies though, but like where was it Brazil or somewhere where people saw those hundreds of UFOish lights in the sky?

From a CoC game.
Player 1: I shoot the cultist.
DM: with a gurgle, the cultist falls dead.
Player 1: I keep shooting him... I empty my clip into him.
DM: Ok, your gun's slide locks back. you're empty.
Player 1: I reload and I empty that clip into him.

Lol Call of Cthulhu, was reading the sourcebook the other day to see if I wanted to get it.

Or...
you could go the route of some people that believe the pictures of thousands of UFOs over various cities and countries around the globe, as well as ancient artwork depicting flying objects means we have already been visited/are being watched. It could just be atmospheric anomolies though, but like where was it Brazil or somewhere where people saw those hundreds of UFOish lights in the sky?
I would guess Mexico City, since it has one of the highest UFO sighting rates
in the world. Although Brazil did have the Trinidad(sp) incedent where a photogropher on a Brazilian navy training vessel go ta few shots of a UFo that the entire crew, including the officers, also saw.

well I'd be a medic so erm...non-combatant applies :p

I would guess Mexico City, since it has one of the highest UFO sighting rates
in the world. Although Brazil did have the Trinidad(sp) incedent where a photogropher on a Brazilian navy training vessel go ta few shots of a UFo that the entire crew, including the officers, also saw.

Ahh yea, that is where I meant, Mexico City.

But being one of the biggest cities on Earth, it is not unlikely that it is just an atmospheric effect from lights or gases. Unless aliens consider the importance of cities based on human population, lol.

Ahh yea, that is where I meant, Mexico City.

But being one of the biggest cities on Earth, it is not unlikely that it is just an atmospheric effect from lights or gases. Unless aliens consider the importance of cities based on human population, lol.

Well that might make sense if they are trying to observe human activities, going to places where there are lots of humans. It might also be that they get more reports becuase some of the journalists there treat it like a serious matter and not a fluff piece about "UFO nuts" which might make people more willing to report it.

For all those who said they'd only fight if the other side fired the first shot, your reluctance will be your doom as you likely won't get the chance to shoot back.

Anyone with the ability to travel the vast interstellar distances between our nearest neighboring stars are going to do it with relativistic craft. This is because FTL is impossible, hell even LT is impossible. But relativistic velocities are still pretty damn fast and can make very dangerous weapons.

For those of you who don't know, relativistic weapons are kinetic-kill weapons where the projectile moves faster than 14% the speed of light (42,000 kilometers per second or so) although the real fun doesn't start until about 90% the speed of light. They are sometimes called "R-bombs." Such weapons do incredible amounts of damage, but by the same token they require absurd amounts of energy (refer to second equation below). They are very likely to remain science-fictional for centuries to come, at least for us.

Even more so than kinetic-kill weapons, an actual warhead adds very little to the total damage inflicted. Note that at 86.6% the speed of light the amount of kinetic energy is equal to the rest mass, which means that the projectile will inflict upon the target the same energy as if it was composed of pure antimatter. Well, actually it will just contain that much energy, in many cases the projectile will penetrate the target and exit the back of a target ship while still containing joules of damage it failed to inflict, or may be just as likely to explode shortly after contact so a simple wimple sheild with enough seperation distance could proivide sufficient protection from such hypervelocity weapons.

It's like a pistol duel, whoever gets the first shot off wins. You won't get a chance to fire back.
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The following equations will help you figure both the minimum amount of energy required to fire and the amount of kinetic damage the projectile is capable of.

Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - (V2/C2))) - 1) * M * C2
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - (V2/9e16))) - 1) * M * 9e16
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - P2)) - 1) * M * 9e16

where:
Ker = relativistic kinetic energy (Joules)
M = mass of projectile (kg)
V = velocity of projectile relative to target (m/s)
P = velocity of projectile relative to target (percentage of c, e.g., three quarters lightspeed = 0.75)
C = speed of light in m/s = 3e8

And as before

Wp = Ker * (1 / We)
where:
Wp = power required by weapon to fire one projectile (Joules)
Ker = kinetic energy of one weapon projectile (Joules)
We = efficiency of the weapon (0.0 = 0%, 1.0 = 100%)

Example: How much damage would the 7 kilograms of used kitty litter from Sneaky the cat's litterbox inflict if it was traveling at a velocity of 90% c?
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - P2)) - 1) * M * 9e16
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - 0.92)) - 1) * 7 * 9e16
Ker = 8.2e17 Joules, about 195 megatons.

Not bad, for kitty litter.

Not bad, for kitty litter.

You know, I can just picture the headlines.

"Planet Earth destroyed by Cat Poop"

If they'd attack us, we'd prolly be dead before you can say "Holy mother Maria Jesus Christ omfg lol damn alienz0rz" cuz they'd need quite some technology to get here, so they'd prolly have enough technology to wipe our asses out too in a matter of hours.

against which? against the hoomans? i'd consider it. but unlikely. wars are messy and tear up crap. and why in the hell would anyone waste the effort to go half way accross the galaxy to off a bunch of silly retarded idiots, who, left to their own devices will probably do so themselves in a few years anyway?

=^^=
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If aliens are within our scope of technological understanding:

Plan A) Fight them tooth and nail using what ever we could get our hands on. Capture their mysterious make-go-fast drives and put them into earth built ships. Find their home planet and nuke the bejezzus out of it till its polished glass.

If aliens are not within our scope of technological understanding:

Plan B) Fight them as before. Get conquered. Secretly unravel their tech. Rebel. See plan A.

For all those who said they'd only fight if the other side fired the first shot, your reluctance will be your doom as you likely won't get the chance to shoot back.

Anyone with the ability to travel the vast interstellar distances between our nearest neighboring stars are going to do it with relativistic craft. This is because FTL is impossible, hell even LT is impossible. But relativistic velocities are still pretty damn fast and can make very dangerous weapons.

For those of you who don't know, relativistic weapons are kinetic-kill weapons where the projectile moves faster than 14% the speed of light (42,000 kilometers per second or so) although the real fun doesn't start until about 90% the speed of light. They are sometimes called "R-bombs." Such weapons do incredible amounts of damage, but by the same token they require absurd amounts of energy (refer to second equation below). They are very likely to remain science-fictional for centuries to come, at least for us.

Even more so than kinetic-kill weapons, an actual warhead adds very little to the total damage inflicted. Note that at 86.6% the speed of light the amount of kinetic energy is equal to the rest mass, which means that the projectile will inflict upon the target the same energy as if it was composed of pure antimatter. Well, actually it will just contain that much energy, in many cases the projectile will penetrate the target and exit the back of a target ship while still containing joules of damage it failed to inflict, or may be just as likely to explode shortly after contact so a simple wimple sheild with enough seperation distance could proivide sufficient protection from such hypervelocity weapons.

It's like a pistol duel, whoever gets the first shot off wins. You won't get a chance to fire back.
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The following equations will help you figure both the minimum amount of energy required to fire and the amount of kinetic damage the projectile is capable of.

Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - (V2/C2))) - 1) * M * C2
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - (V2/9e16))) - 1) * M * 9e16
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - P2)) - 1) * M * 9e16

where:
Ker = relativistic kinetic energy (Joules)
M = mass of projectile (kg)
V = velocity of projectile relative to target (m/s)
P = velocity of projectile relative to target (percentage of c, e.g., three quarters lightspeed = 0.75)
C = speed of light in m/s = 3e8

And as before

Wp = Ker * (1 / We)
where:
Wp = power required by weapon to fire one projectile (Joules)
Ker = kinetic energy of one weapon projectile (Joules)
We = efficiency of the weapon (0.0 = 0%, 1.0 = 100%)

Example: How much damage would the 7 kilograms of used kitty litter from Sneaky the cat's litterbox inflict if it was traveling at a velocity of 90% c?
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - P2)) - 1) * M * 9e16
Ker = ((1/sqrt(1 - 0.92)) - 1) * 7 * 9e16
Ker = 8.2e17 Joules, about 195 megatons.

Not bad, for kitty litter.
@ Dosuun: Good warnings, but you're being a bit categorical there regarding FTL. Our knowledge of physics is still technically incomplete, although quite good nonetheless, so all we can really say AFAIK is that FTL is inconsistent with our current and generally well-substantiated observations and theoretical paradigms. In particular, the square root of x/[1-(v^2/c^2)] bit in the relevant equations actually indicates that if one could just clear (perhaps "jump;" as in a graph of asymptotic behavior and, coincidentally enough, a "jump drive") the asymptote/singularity that occurs at c, one (very) theoretically enters a realm of imaginary velocity that is hard to qualify beyond its mathematical implication. (I've heard everything from your impossibility theory to time travel to remote antimatter transmutation regarding this; ouch if that last should be the case.) This could just as easily accommodate extradimensional travel as simply be a mathematical fluke. I err on the former side since, as taught in Calculus class for some other Physics-related problems, I believe that so-called "imaginary numbers" are anything but.
However, pure orbital bombardment assumes that we're dealing with either (worst case) insufferably fascist aliens who take offense at our very existence somehow, implying a taste for economic masochism to match their military sadism if they're indeed subluminal; or uncaring aliens who see the Earth as purely a resource lode, and don't particularly mind about the working conditions needed for their own laborers to mine it dry (possible for a relativistic colony-ship crew, or Von Neumann complexes); or (second-worst case) real imperial professionals who can do such bombardments precisely enough to reduce the resistance pool and demoralize the survivors, but without wrecking the environment beyond either their use or our own. In the last case, or if they simply don't have enough kitty litter to go around:p, I'm grabbing the nearest weapon I can find; especially if its a Kalashnikov. (Still some estimated 60-70 million of those around even after the various "decomissioning" episodes, so it'd near certainly become the Human forces' first standard-issue assault rifle with or without formal unification.)
@ Terran Tribes: Also I agree with your general plan, especially B since although the slogan "Ten Billion Will gladly Die for World and Civilization!" (a paraphrase of the Japanese "One-Hundred Million Will gladly Die for Emperor and Nation!" slogan from late 1945) would be appropriate propaganda for our side in this instance, only a fool doesn't plan for defeat. However, I'm dubious about operating any more than captured starships (and those with great caution) since if we could understand them, then the aliens would be close enough to us that any conquest would be a massive undertaking; requiring some 40 million soldiers minimum to overmatch us (that's if they're twice as lethal as us man-for-man, since that's our male conscript pool worldwide and would be just under double that if women were included in the combatants) given a close-enough economy to our own that we can understand their tech. In that case, they're pooling at least two major worlds' entire forces against us (leaving some for defense against bigger aliens that threaten them as well), and hence we'd be in an even worse logistical boat if we tried to return the favor beyond guerrilla/space-pirate raids.
And if we're conquered, odds are there'll be some heavy regulations against our operating their tech unless they're a really powerful and savvy culture. Even then, the economic bit I mention above still applies, unless there was massive colonization/deportation of humans to other G2 planetary systems under alien rule. Just less severely so in that case. But yeah, those provisos given and if the aliens squander what goodwill I'd try to have for them first (personally, if they'd like to settle here as residents with certain rights, I'd be all for it so long as they obeyed the laws of the countries they chose), I'm all for resistance by whatever means both necessary and (vaguely) ethical.

Yeah well pancakes :P

I for one welcome our new alien overlords.

I'd fight, no questions asked. The survival of the Human species is more important to me than the survival of a bunch of aliens, who hate us anyway.

Cheers to my most random poll yet.

Even if they weren't hostile I would seek to destroy them, even unto my own death.

If an alien race was hostile to humans would you join in the war against them?

In a heartbeat! Kill em all! Fucking humans! :mad:

:D

Thanks a lot jerks. I just spent an hour reading about Hollow earth theory on wikipedia and clicking and reading all of the wikilinks on the article. It is terribly interesting and entertaining to read, but now it is almost 3:30 lol.

Wouldn't it be funny if the aliens had declared a pre-emptive strike on Earth and submitted it before some galactic council to authorize the invasion?

A lot of people are saying "only if they shoot first". In addition to what Dosuun has said about the tactical folly of such an approach, let's remember that they're hostile. That's what it says in the title. So we'd just be sitting, waiting for an attack which is almost a certainty in order to look good for the press.

Can you say "Neville Chamberlain?".

They're in the way of galactic conquest just by being there, surely?

"Oh, PEACE!"

In a heartbeat! Kill em all! Fucking humans! :mad:

:D

I knew there was something a little off about you! :mad:

Cheers to my most random poll yet.
"If an alien race was hostile to humans would you join in the war against them?"

Frankly, I'm pretty fucking hostile to the majority of humans on this planet. I think the aliens and I might hit it off.

Is is presupposed that the Aliens are some massive empire, and that they are strong physically? I ask because people usually do. Who's to say we are not- out of perhaps thousands of sentient species- the most intelligent and civilized?

That would be rather weird, and somewhat tragic for this poor ol' universe of ours.

I'd actually probably join the fight, then set off on a quest to eat them, like those Russian fishermen.

Of course I would - filthy humans.

Would we have an option?

Its either die or fight.

Would we have an option?

Its either die or fight.

Not necessarily.

Not necessarily.

Yep!

Option 3: Eat.

Not necessarily.

Not to sound toooo cynical but I imagine that worlds capeable fo supporting life would be immense value to any space faring species.

We're probably talking about more value than could possibly be imagined.

And now this space faring species has come across such a world inhabited by a bunch of animals.

And the species is hostile to the animals on this incredibly valueable world they would probably be very keen to use...

I don't see the species as engaging in anything other than either anihilation or farming of humans.

Not to sound toooo cynical but I imagine that worlds capeable fo supporting life would be immense value to any space faring species.

We're probably talking about more value than could possibly be imagined.

And now this space faring species has come across such a world inhabited by a bunch of animals.

And the species is hostile to the animals on this incredibly valueable world they would probably be very keen to use...

I don't see the species as engaging in anything other than either anihilation or farming of humans.

As many people have already pointed out, some of us could join the aliens and survive, or they might keep some of us in some manner of reserve. And wiping out a race that could be subjugated is a foolish move to make.

Cheers to my most random poll yet.

*becomes a flag waving err planetist(?)*

Earth! Earth! Earth!

As many people have already pointed out, some of us could join the aliens and survive, or they might keep some of us in some manner of reserve. And wiping out a race that could be subjugated is a foolish move to make.

Why would they want to let you join them? What would they have to gain?

I suppose it's one less animal to fight which you can always get rid of once you have control of the planet...

And why would it be foolish to wipe out a species that could revolt against you at any time? It would probably take as much effort to subjugate the species to do your work as it would to.

Given the problems with risk of bacterial and viral infections, and the fact the protiens produced by lifeforms on the planet might well be uncompatible with the alien species I suspect if they have the capability they would just sterilise the planet and install lifeforms from their own biosphere on it.

A race that can travel trillions of kilometers, capable of using technology and energies unimaginable to us. Who says there will be a fight? There would be so many ways to wipe out the human race without us even realizing or put up a fight.

Why would they want to let you join them? What would they have to gain?

I suppose it's one less animal to fight which you can always get rid of once you have control of the planet...

And why would it be foolish to wipe out a species that could revolt against you at any time? It would probably take as much effort to subjugate the species to do your work as it would to.

Given the problems with risk of bacterial and viral infections, and the fact the protiens produced by lifeforms on the planet might well be uncompatible with the alien species I suspect if they have the capability they would just sterilise the planet and install lifeforms from their own biosphere on it.

Why do you assume they'd view us as animals? It could be that, aside from their propulsion technology, they're not very advanced, and might percieve us as a powerful threat to be dealt with before we can get to thei world.

I'd join an elite task force of anthropologists and attempt to observe thier unique cultural and religious practices. then we'd make nice, in the hopes the aliens had a dhimmi system.

Why do you assume they'd view us as animals? It could be that, aside from their propulsion technology, they're not very advanced, and might percieve us as a powerful threat to be dealt with before we can get to thei world.
I have doubts that a species capable of near light speed travel, and the engineering technology able to construct vessils for inter-steller voyages would not have at the very least have discovered some decent weaponry - even if it is only something crude like nuclear bombs.

Carpet bomb the planet, wait out the nuclear winter that follows and wipes out a lot of the remaining locals - this time could be usefully used in transporting your settlers to the world - which would take a fair while.

They may be smarter than us, have better technology, and be able to destroy us in an all out war. This would be the time for Thailand style diplomacy. That does not mean we humans are not more devious and cunning. Before going to war, I would :

1) Attempt to steal their technology.

2) Convince them to attack someone else so they are tied up in a useless war, think Alien Vietnam.

3) Try to create a distraction.

4) Attempt to get ahold of one of their ships to make a colony somewhere else where they cannot get at us.

5) Try to find allies if there are other aliens.

6) Give them a reason to fight on the ground so they will land troops and we have at least a chance to inflict small amounts of damage. Orbital bombardment would finish us instantly.

It depends. If the aliens were like the Ferengi, then yes, I would fight against them. If they had kick-ass bioships and hot women with kinky tentacled appendages, etc., then I would fight on their side.

Not to sound toooo cynical but I imagine that worlds capeable fo supporting life would be immense value to any space faring species.

We're probably talking about more value than could possibly be imagined.

And now this space faring species has come across such a world inhabited by a bunch of animals.

And the species is hostile to the animals on this incredibly valueable world they would probably be very keen to use...

I don't see the species as engaging in anything other than either anihilation or farming of humans.

People kill each other for a few square miles of land.

Fighting for a whole planet, with all its ressources and possibilities, is something much bigger.

Considering their technology I'd assume we'd get our asses handed to us, and that made me think what would I do?

During an occupation I would most certainly go after their easiest targets: contractors, civilian tourists, etc. Make them pay for attacking mankind in the most horrific ways possible.

Hmmm perspective much?

Considering their technology I'd assume we'd get our asses handed to us, and that made me think what would I do?

During an occupation I would most certainly go after their easiest targets: contractors, civilian tourists, etc. Make them pay for attacking mankind in the most horrific ways possible.

Hmmm perspective much?

Congratulations. You'd be a terrorist.

People kill each other for a few square miles of land.

Fighting for a whole planet, with all its ressources and possibilities, is something much bigger.

Are you saying that the bigger value would make them less likely to want to take it all for themselves?

I knew there was something a little off about you! :mad:

Silence, earthling!

Congratulations. You'd be a terrorist.

Congratulations, you've gained the title of Captain Obvious!

I was making the point that it would be more acceptable because we see them as inhuman, perhaps the same way terrorists see us. Maybe you can get the message from that, but most likely not.

Would we need to fight them? We could just sit back and let terrestrial diseases take their toll...

Would we need to fight them? We could just sit back and let terrestrial diseases take their toll...

Of course their own alien diseases will take their toll on us....:(

Truly random the poll is. I don't feel enough variables are established for a logical course of action.

There are really only three options
Fight a pointless fight(assuming their tech is superior)
Curl into fetal ball and await the end
Join them in conquering our miserable ball of dust

This "only if they attack first" idea is insanely retarded, what if their first attack destroys the earth.

This "only if they attack first" idea is insanely retarded, what if their first attack destroys the earth.

By that same token. what if they came in peace only to change their mind since we decided to rape their women and steal their horses? (by horses I mean space ships, for y'all who might be a bit slow)

Btw, the title should be "alien species". It's rather unimaginative to expect races belonging to homo sapiens in outer space...