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It said it hates blacks. A newspaper billed as the "voice of Asian America" has published a column about why the author hates blacks. What the fuck were they thinking? Their newspaper's circulation in the black community will surely suffer.

Seriously though, I thought we as a nation, white, black or Asian, had at least outgrown being racist in public.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/27/MNGTCOBI921.DTL

I was under the impression that within the inner cities, Blacks and Asians have never gotten along. Or, I've at least seen it referenced in several books and Television shows. Perhaps it's not all as bad as this newspaper pretends it is, but Blacks and Asians (and Mexicans too, for that matter) are all very family-first cultures and if you fill a city with these groups, they will naturally compete.

Why should this story surprise anyone? The warning signs have been present for years. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg)

It said it hates blacks. A newspaper billed as the "voice of Asian America" has published a column about why the author hates blacks. What the fuck were they thinking? Their newspaper's circulation in the black community will surely suffer.

Seriously though, I thought we as a nation, white, black or Asian, had at least outgrown being racist in public.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/27/MNGTCOBI921.DTL

I bet the sub-editor gets blamed for this...

after being robbed at gunpoint by a black person, i must admit that my views towards certain black people are skewed more heavily than they used to be...

I was under the impression that within the inner cities, Blacks and Asians have never gotten along. Or, I've at least seen it referenced in several books and Television shows. Perhaps it's not all as bad as this newspaper pretends it is, but Blacks and Asians (and Mexicans too, for that matter) are all very family-first cultures and if you fill a city with these groups, they will naturally compete.

Mexicans are a race now?

Mexicans are a race now?

I was referring to the inner-city cultures of all three groups. I wasn't referring to the races of any of them. But it it makes you feel better or wittier: Ethnic groups.

after being robbed at gunpoint by a black person, i must admit that my views towards certain black people are skewed more heavily than they used to be...

You need to get to know more black people. When you know enough good people of a particular group it's harder to have one asshole turn you racist.

The voice of Asian America speaks out!
The voice of Asian America can count itself lucky it's not the voice of Asian Italy.

I was referring to the inner-city cultures of all three groups. I wasn't referring to the races of any of them. But it it makes you feel better or wittier: Ethnic groups.

Even as ethnic group, the correct word is "latin", or in your case, if you are a citizen of the United States, for some reason, "hispanic".

Mexicans aren't an ethnic group, a race, or a culture. Mexican is a nationality.

It doesn't make me feel better, or wittier. Just makes me feel less of a stereotype.

I was under the impression that within the inner cities, Blacks and Asians have never gotten along. Or, I've at least seen it referenced in several books and Television shows. Perhaps it's not all as bad as this newspaper pretends it is, but Blacks and Asians (and Mexicans too, for that matter) are all very family-first cultures and if you fill a city with these groups, they will naturally compete.

Romeo Must Die much?

Wasn't expecting that from you. Unless you were being sarcastic.

WTF? Are you saying you consider me to be racist against blacks?

You need to get to know more black people. When you know enough good people of a particular group it's harder to have one asshole turn you racist.

Wasn't expecting that from you. Unless you were being sarcastic.

The guy also had a column called "why I hate asians" and "Proof that white people inherently hate us" I somehow doubt he's actually prejudiced against black people.

I read the article. Kenneth Eng calls himself an "Asian supremacist" (alarm bell one) and has written many other provocative articles including "Proof Whites Hate Us" (alarm bell 2). He deserves nothing other than ridicule.

Hardly "the voice of Asian America", since Asian Americans have (fortunately) reacted against this trash.

after being robbed at gunpoint by a black person, i must admit that my views towards certain black people are skewed more heavily than they used to be...

And if you were mugged by a white guy, would your view against all white people be skewed?

And if you were mugged by a white guy, would your view against all white people be skewed?

White people don't mug other people though. We just steal millions of dollars through 'white collar' crime, which is a nicer way of mugging people and then stomping the piss out of them.

Voice of Asian America Speaks Out!

I can't hear anything. Herro? Heerrrooo? Must be too quiet to hear. :p

This is why I am not overly surprised;

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-02.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-01.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/1144176380845.jpg


And that is just scratching the surface :eek:

You need to get to know more black people. When you know enough good people of a particular group it's harder to have one asshole turn you racist.

you're right. i do. there just aren't too many (right now) around here (in my life) to interact with unfortunately. i have in the past, and i'm sure i will in the future.

but anyone who wants to act like a thug, black, white, blue, or green, i think they all just need to fall off the face of the earth.

This is why I am not overly surprised;

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-02.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-01.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/1144176380845.jpg


And that is just scratching the surface :eek:

I'm fairly certain the first two are from a Gap store.

And if you were mugged by a white guy, would your view against all white people be skewed?

i didn't say my view against all black ppl are skewed.

*edit*
and yes, my view of white ppl who act like the person who mugged me (and it goes beyond a simple mugging) would be that they can't be trusted, and that they should be dead.

I'm fairly certain the first two are from a Gap store.


XFMD

Chinese are, in my pretty substantial experience here, some of the most openly and virulently racist people around.

Let's all point and jeer at the racist.

You need to get to know more black people. When you know enough good people of a particular group it's harder to have one asshole turn you racist.

Note that he said "certain".

He was being somewhat humorous.

And if you were mugged by a white guy, would your view against all white people be skewed?

*shaking my head*

its all about your experience with other racial/ethnic groups. if you have only had social contact with a handful of white people and those white people treated you like crap or committed crimes against you, you can bet that you would have a bad impression of white people.

if you ARE white, and white people are "us" then you excuse bad behavior by white people as aberrant.

if you are white (or at least non-black) and your only real experience of black people has been with crimes committed against you, you tend to think poorly of black people. its a natural human reaction.

when you realize that you are prejudiced against black people for this reason, your best bet is to get to know more black people so that black people can be "us" to you also and you then know that the bad behavior is aberrant.

you can try to talk yourself out of your prejudice with more rational thought but you still have internalized the negative reaction. you need to develop a better automatic response. the best way is by getting to know more black people.

The article is just BS.



lol. And the Chinese and other far easterners who immigrate to US don't?

And I officially protest the use of the word "Asian" to denote only Far-east Asians. I am an "Asian" too, come to think of it. And this ain't my voice. :D

Which is why the Chinese are converting to christianity like it's on sale for 19.95$,...............

The article is just BS.

-- "Blacks are easy to coerce. This is proven by the fact that so many of them, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, tend to be Christians."

lol. And the Chinese and other far easterners who immigrate to US don't?

And I officially protest the use of the word "Asian" to denote only Far-east Asians. I am an "Asian" too, come to think of it. And this ain't my voice. :D

Why would they get along? The Far East is one xenophobic and racist culture after another and the black culture of America is one of a persecution complex and overly integrated gang culture (which comes with a healthy dose of racism).

I read the article. Kenneth Eng calls himself an "Asian supremacist" (alarm bell one) and has written many other provocative articles including "Proof Whites Hate Us" (alarm bell 2). He deserves nothing other than ridicule.

Well, I'd hate people too if I were called Kenneth.

Which is why the Chinese are converting to christianity like it's on sale for 19.95$,...............

Not according to "Kenneth" Eng. :p

It said it hates blacks. A newspaper billed as the "voice of Asian America" has published a column about why the author hates blacks. What the fuck were they thinking? Their newspaper's circulation in the black community will surely suffer.

Seriously though, I thought we as a nation, white, black or Asian, had at least outgrown being racist in public.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/27/MNGTCOBI921.DTL

As an Asian-American, what the fuck was this guy thinking? He makes me ashamed to be ethnically related to him.

Why would they get along? The Far East is one xenophobic and racist culture after another and the black culture of America is one of a persecution complex and overly integrated gang culture (which comes with a healthy dose of racism).

Don't forget the nationalist and secluded cultures of the whiteys as well as their influence on their colonies, many of whom became nationalist in order to gain sovereignty over themselves :o

Yep, humanity is a bunch of racists :p

Why should this story surprise anyone? The warning signs have been present for years. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg)

I'd turn nazi for them.

Why should this story surprise anyone? The warning signs have been present for years. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg)
Why is it that Asian chicks look better in Nazi apparel than 6ft blonde German chicks? :confused:

Why is it that Asian chicks look better in Nazi apparel than 6ft blonde German chicks? :confused:

tall authoriatative-looking women are too intimidating.

Those two chicks, why, they almost look helpless, like they just need my russian seed to liberate them from fascist tyranny if only I can get to Berlin fast enough.

tall authoriatative-looking women are too intimidating.

Those two chicks, why, they almost look helpless, like they just need my russian seed to liberate them from fascist tyranny if only I can get to Berlin fast enough.
I was going to say that it must have something to do with the Asian reputation for having a knack at torture. :D A sort of sadomasochistic element to it.

Tall, blonde German chicks look better in leather. With whips.

It said it hates blacks. A newspaper billed as the "voice of Asian America" has published a column about why the author hates blacks. What the fuck were they thinking? Their newspaper's circulation in the black community will surely suffer.

Seriously though, I thought we as a nation, white, black or Asian, had at least outgrown being racist in public.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/02/27/MNGTCOBI921.DTL

Well, amongst the black men and the Asian men, it's clearly the penis size debate. No idea what the problem between Asian women and black women is though.

This is why I am not overly surprised;

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-02.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-01.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/1144176380845.jpg


And that is just scratching the surface :eek:

hahaha that last picture is some funny shit.

This is why I am not overly surprised;

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-02.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/izzue-nazi-01.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a364/DS16/1144176380845.jpg


And that is just scratching the surface :eek:
Are they Japanese incidentally? I wonder if they actually are Nazi, or just experimenting with fashion, as they always do (Japan has some of the best in the world).

Which is why the Chinese are converting to christianity like it's on sale for 19.95$,...............

Below the belt, man. Below the belt.

you're right. i do. there just aren't too many (right now) around here (in my life) to interact with unfortunately. i have in the past, and i'm sure i will in the future.

but anyone who wants to act like a thug, black, white, blue, or green, i think they all just need to fall off the face of the earth.


Yo yo yo! What be wrong wit bein gansta G? Ahhh yeah buncha ol' skoo niggaz be kicking it for real you know what I am sayin'?

Even as ethnic group, the correct word is "latin", or in your case, if you are a citizen of the United States, for some reason, "hispanic".

Actually the correct word is "Hispanic" because Mexicans and just about everyone else in Centeral and South America are of Spanish decent. "Latin" would imply that you are somehow Italian; as last time I checked it was the Romans (Rome=Italy) who spoke and spread Latin throughout the 'known' world during their time.

So either Latins are every race that the Romans had conqured and absorbed,which is quite a few, or we can just call the original people of Rome and their Italian predecessor the true Latins.

Yo yo yo! What be wrong wit bein gansta G? Ahhh yeah buncha ol' skoo niggaz be kicking it for real you know what I am sayin'?

Eeek! Brian has escaped from Family Guy! :eek: ;)

Actually the correct word is "Hispanic" because Mexicans and just about everyone else in Centeral and South America are of Spanish decent. "Latin" would imply that you are somehow Italian; as last time I checked it was the Romans (Rome=Italy) who spoke and spread Latin throughout the 'known' world during their time.

So either Latins are every race that the Romans had conqured and absorbed,which is quite a few, or we can just call the original people of Rome and their Italian predecessor the true Latins.

I have been curious about this for a while too. I doubt if many people know if they are Etruscan or Latin as opposed to Italians. Why is Latin America "latin" as opposed to "Spanish"? Was it because Latin was used in the Catholic masses which are very important down there? I do not get it either.

Oriental women are sooooo hot. I think I am an Oriental Supremist at least in the respect that I think that the Oriental ladies are soooo freaking hot from their voices to their bodies! Ok I guess that I am an Oriental Female Supremacist.

I think that the term Asian for Oriental is pretty goofy because Asia is a big continent. I am an Asian in the sense that I am a Jew so I am from Israel and Israel is in Asia.

I have been curious about this for a while too. I doubt if many people know if they are Etruscan or Latin as opposed to Italians. Why is Latin America "latin" as opposed to "Spanish"? Was it because Latin was used in the Catholic masses which are very important down there? I do not get it either.

I always thought it was because Spanich and I think Portugese were ROmantic languages, meaning they developed from Latin, unlike English which is predominant in Canada and the USA and is of Germanic origin.

Why is it that Asian chicks look better in Nazi apparel than 6ft blonde German chicks? :confused:
I'm pretty sure that tube tops weren't exactly standard apparel for Hitler's Reich. At least not for the women.

I read the column earlier today - not well written at all. I was expecting him to launch into some kind of Duke-esque tirade, and I was sorely disappointed.

Also, a pet peeve of mine - would Asian not include Indians (classified as white in the US for some odd reason), Russians and "Asia Minoreans"?

Actually the correct word is "Hispanic" because Mexicans and just about everyone else in Centeral and South America are of Spanish decent. "Latin" would imply that you are somehow Italian; as last time I checked it was the Romans (Rome=Italy) who spoke and spread Latin throughout the 'known' world during their time.

So either Latins are every race that the Romans had conqured and absorbed,which is quite a few, or we can just call the original people of Rome and their Italian predecessor the true Latins.

Latin is the tribe that occupied the central Italian peninsula Rome was their city....

I read the column earlier today - not well written at all. I was expecting him to launch into some kind of Duke-esque tirade, and I was sorely disappointed.

Also, a pet peeve of mine - would Asian not include Indians (classified as white in the US for some odd reason), Russians and "Asia Minoreans"?

I get that all the time... :headbang:

Why should this story surprise anyone? The warning signs have been present for years. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg)
Hawt. ;)

Hawt. ;)

Ayeh. But to quote the Dead Kennedys, "Nazi punks fuck off!"

Mexicans aren't an ethnic group, a race, or a culture. Mexican is a nationality.

I'm pretty sure Mexico has a culture. Anyway, if someone describes the hispanic population of L.A. as "Mexican," it's probably because 95% of them are, in fact, Mexican.

As a half-Asian, I must say that


, yeah most Asians are ethnocentric bastards.

Also, a pet peeve of mine - would Asian not include Indians (classified as white in the US for some odd reason), Russians and "Asia Minoreans"?

I haven't filled out a census form lately, but I doubt Indians are classified as white. My guess is that they're classified as Indian. I don't see a problem with calling asians asian and Indians Indian. The reason we don't categorize Indians and Pakistanis as asian is probably because they were latecomers to this country. The original asians for a hundred or so years were mainly Chinese and Japanese. If we had colonized India, it'd probably be another story.

Chinese are, in my pretty substantial experience here, some of the most openly and virulently racist people around.

I have to agree with this statement. I have had the experience of traveling to China myself. I would consider them very racist. Specifically against fellow Asians that are non-Chinese.

I haven't filled out a census form lately, but I doubt Indians are classified as white. My guess is that they're classified as Indian. I don't see a problem with calling asians asian and Indians Indian. The reason we don't categorize Indians and Pakistanis as asian is probably because they were latecomers to this country. The original asians for a hundred or so years were mainly Chinese and Japanese. If we had colonized India, it'd probably be another story.


Not really. Ever heard of the term Indo-European? Also compare an Indian person with say for example a Dutch person, the bone structure is the same more or less, the only difference is Indians tend to be a bit darker. Although Indians from the northern provinces can be as lightskinned as north europeans.
Same put a dutch person and an african from Ghana or a Han chineseman next to eachother, imagine they were the same skin color, you would still be able to tell the difference immediatly between the two simply by the differring bone structure and facial features (the difference between europeans and Indian's is almost non-existant bonestructurewise). I had to learn about this scholastically, trust me it's a pain rememberring all the lectures.

Blacks and Asians (and Mexicans too, for that matter) are all very family-first cultures and if you fill a city with these groups, they will naturally compete.

As there isn't a culture on the planet that isn't family-first, I think you meant to say something else.

Romeo Must Die much?

That movie was great cause it had a chick get impaled in the heart!

Why is it that Asian chicks look better in Nazi apparel than 6ft blonde German chicks? :confused:

ZOMG, yellow fever!!1!hold shift while pressing the one button!

What the hell is that guy doing in the paper? He should be on the internet with the rest of the idiots.

(I personally think the word 'Oriental' should be used more. Its way less ambiguous and I don't see anything overtly racist about it...)

What the hell is that guy doing in the paper? He should be on the internet with the rest of the idiots.

(I personally think the word 'Oriental' should be used more. Its way less ambiguous and I don't see anything overtly racist about it...)

Agleed! (sorry) he doesn't deserve to be in real journalism if he's just going to use it to spread hate. and he is only in his early 20s he probably hasn't had that much experience and is just using overtly contriversial issues to grab attention. A girl who wrote for my high school newspaper did the same.

Well this is depressing. I know from my experience that xenophobia, even for white people, is still very strong in some East-Asian-American neighborhoods. Which is very depressing, because as an East-Asian-American who grew up in an area dominated by black and hispanics, I almost never encountered any racism besides a few childhood taunts when I was really young. If more peope just intereacted with people outside of their own race sometimes. Gah.

There's the stereotype of all Asians being smart. On that front, bravo to Mr. Eng for smashing that stereotype.

I have to agree with this statement. I have had the experience of traveling to China myself. I would consider them very racist. Specifically against fellow Asians that are non-Chinese.

Yup, and even different kinds of chinese.

It is hard to tell a white southern KKK member from your average Taiwanese Mandarin when he talks about how little he likes the Cantonese.

It also reminds me, I wonder if similarly minded Japanese would take umbrage that a mere chinaman invoked the russo-japanese war in support of his own 'race.'

Japanisu Onree Divine Race!

I found the 'Blacks are easy to coerce' statement rich, coming as it did from someone whose entire country ran around waving little red books for all of 40 years just cause a meglomaniacal paedophile told them to.

I also found this bit funny:
In 2004, for an online magazine called Down in the Dirt, he wrote about experiencing racism as an Asian American student at New York University after he "expressed my negative views on America, religion and African Americans."
Well, colour me shocked. A Chinese guy in NY loudly proclaims how much he hates everything around him and New Yorkers - surely the most polite, quiet ppl in the universe - round on him and tell him to shut his sorry yellow arse up. Could not see that coming.

just cause a meglomaniacal paedophile told them to.

Mao was a paeophile? That I wasn't aware of.

It is hard to tell a white southern KKK member from your average Taiwanese Mandarin when he talks about how little he likes the Cantonese.
With good reason though. Most Cantonese are very boorish compared to your average Taiwanese.

There's a definite pecking order here in Asia. As a rough rule-of-thumb:
The Japanese view themselves as superior to and look down on everyone
The Chinese secretly admire the Japanese and view themselves as superior to everyone else.
Then comes the Koreans, Malaysians, Indonesians, Thai, Vietnamese and Cambomians.


The Chinese in China are constantly bombarded with state propaganda about how much better they are to everyone else and how much in awe the rest of the world is to their many 'great' accomplishments (even if it's something as trite as a monk's ability to stand on his head for a month).
Force fed that from day one, it's little wonder that they tend to have a over-developed sense of themselves.

Mao was a paeophile? That I wasn't aware of.
he had a penchant for young girls.

he had a penchant for young girls.

As, of course, have most people for most of history.

Recall, up until the last hundred or so years, people married a whole lot younger than they do now.

Actually the correct word is "Hispanic" because Mexicans and just about everyone else in Centeral and South America are of Spanish decent. "Latin" would imply that you are somehow Italian; as last time I checked it was the Romans (Rome=Italy) who spoke and spread Latin throughout the 'known' world during their time.

So either Latins are every race that the Romans had conqured and absorbed,which is quite a few, or we can just call the original people of Rome and their Italian predecessor the true Latins.

I always thought it was because Spanich and I think Portugese were ROmantic languages, meaning they developed from Latin, unlike English which is predominant in Canada and the USA and is of Germanic origin.

Pretty much. The French wanted to get involved in Central and South America, so they emphasized that they spoke French, a Romance language like Spanish and Portugese. Thus, the French hoped to establish a concept of brotherhood with Central and South Americans, and to differentiate themselves from the Germanic anglos inhabiting the US and Canada.

ZOMG, yellow fever!!1!hold shift while pressing the one button!
Oh dear, you are under the Asian Persuasion.

I found the 'Blacks are easy to coerce' statement rich, coming as it did from someone whose entire country ran around waving little red books for all of 40 years just cause a meglomaniacal paedophile told them to.

I also found this bit funny:

Well, colour me shocked. A Chinese guy in NY loudly proclaims how much he hates everything around him and New Yorkers - surely the most polite, quiet ppl in the universe - round on him and tell him to shut his sorry yellow arse up. Could not see that coming.

This post is ownage in a can. Well, not a actual can but a....Uh.....Damn.

The Chinese in China are constantly bombarded with state propaganda about how much better they are to everyone else and how much in awe the rest of the world is to their many 'great' accomplishments (even if it's something as trite as a monk's ability to stand on his head for a month).
Force fed that from day one, it's little wonder that they tend to have a over-developed sense of themselves.

And here I was thinking that 5000 years of good and healthy culture time would pretty much do the trick.
It's also not true. Chinese people are only overtly proud of themselves whenever they discuss their nations acomplishments with non-chinese. When amongst themselves, the Chinese will useally practise the grumbling about their goverment game (as long as it doesn't impair their health i.e. the police come chrashing on their doorsteps).

As for Chinese people secretly admiring the Japanese, I must say that it's more complicated than that. In my experiance Chinese people tend to respect power, whether it is economically, millitairly etc. Mind you, the moment they surpass somebody you can expect they will look down on them like an eagle viewing a field mouse.

Urgh, this thread is embarassing. Kenneth Eng is a moron... I can't believe he actually managed to write books. He's bad press for atheists (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/ATCXMPPVKTNTU) too. :headbang: I suppose every race/belief has its Jerry Falwell.

This is why I am not overly surprised;

<snip>

And that is just scratching the surface :eek:

I thought posting Swastika pics was naughty?

I thought posting Swastika pics was naughty?

Not when it's hawt Asians nazis =P

Actually the correct word is "Hispanic" because Mexicans and just about everyone else in Centeral and South America are of Spanish decent. "Latin" would imply that you are somehow Italian; as last time I checked it was the Romans (Rome=Italy) who spoke and spread Latin throughout the 'known' world during their time.

So either Latins are every race that the Romans had conqured and absorbed,which is quite a few, or we can just call the original people of Rome and their Italian predecessor the true Latins.

OK, let's consider you have a point there, to avoid further discussion.

"Latino", then, is you think it is more fitting. That's the way we like to be called, down here.

For example, although for us the correct term to name citizens of the United States is United Staters, they like to be called Americans in the english language. Even although that term isn't entirely correct, because it labels the inhabitants of a entire continent, that includes many countries, instead of the inhabitants of a single country as a nationality, we use it because americans like to be called that way.

All one could aspire to, is to receive the same courtesy. I think it is not asking too much, don't you think? So forget the "Latin" part, and use latino, more preferable than "hispanic".

OK, let's consider you have a point there, to avoid further discussion.

"Latino", then, is you think it is more fitting. That's the way we like to be called, down here.

For example, although for us the correct term to name citizens of the United States is United Staters, they like to be called Americans in the english language. Even although that term isn't entirely correct, because it labels the inhabitants of a entire continent, that includes many countries, instead of the inhabitants of a single country as a nationality, we use it because americans like to be called that way.

All one could aspire to, is to receive the same courtesy. I think it is not asking too much, don't you think? So forget the "Latin" part, and use latino, more preferable than "hispanic".
I use Latino and Hispanic both, to be honest...quite interchangably. However, I'll call you guys whatever you want, it doesnt really matter to me and its only common courtesy. However, American and America, while it may be incorrect in Spanish....and it doesnt have to be, cuz where I live ALL the Cubans call it America and they call us Americanos.....is totally correct in English, and German, and Dutch..and probably more Germanic languages...but I can think of those off the top of my head.

It really comes down to the fact that America is an Anglo country, therefore what we are called in English is the most correct because it is OUR language and what we call ourselves...and it matters more than what we would be called in Spanish. Compare it to Sweden or something. Sure, we call them Swedish but the most correct name for them would be Svensk because thats what they call themselves, and thats their name for themselves.

So yeah, I have no problem calling you guys Hispanics, Latinos, Latins, whatever you want...just do us the same courtesy.:)

I thought posting Swastika pics was naughty?
Not just as examples.....he wasnt glorifying Nazism or anything..just showing examples.:rolleyes:

As for Chinese people secretly admiring the Japanese, I must say that it's more complicated than that. In my experiance Chinese people tend to respect power, whether it is economically, millitairly etc. Mind you, the moment they surpass somebody you can expect they will look down on them like an eagle viewing a field mouse.
Yeah, that's what I meant by secretly admiring them. You just said it better.

Not when it's hawt Asians nazis =P
you mean like this:
http://www.netnewsasia.com/images/stories/Akasi_tiger_heil_sm.jpg
A few years ago, some soft porn mag in HK try to shock and sell by having a chick dress up as a nazi. No-one here gave a damn apparently.
There's a better pic of here using a Herman Goring doll to hide her nipples, but I won't post it as it's getting close to the 'bone'.

As, of course, have most people for most of history.

Recall, up until the last hundred or so years, people married a whole lot younger than they do now.
that hardly excuses him chasing after pre-pubescent girls well into his middle-ageness.

I use Latino and Hispanic both, to be honest...quite interchangably. However, I'll call you guys whatever you want, it doesnt really matter to me and its only common courtesy. However, American and America, while it may be incorrect in Spanish....and it doesnt have to be, cuz where I live ALL the Cubans call it America and they call us Americanos.....is totally correct in English, and German, and Dutch..and probably more Germanic languages...but I can think of those off the top of my head.

All the cuban-american descendants, in the United States of America. In Cuba, they don't. As I say, we have to call you americans because that's the form you elected to be called in the english language. It is courtesy indeed.

It really comes down to the fact that America is an Anglo country, therefore what we are called in English is the most correct because it is OUR language and what we call ourselves...and it matters more than what we would be called in Spanish. Compare it to Sweden or something. Sure, we call them Swedish but the most correct name for them would be Svensk because thats what they call themselves, and thats their name for themselves.

It is the language of the United Kingdom, not yours, as much as spanish is the language of Spain, and not ours. But yes, I deeply believe it is a translation issue. We call the germans "Alemanes" in spanish, for example, "germans" in english, but I believe the correct name for them is "deutsch".

So yeah, I have no problem calling you guys Hispanics, Latinos, Latins, whatever you want...just do us the same courtesy.:)

Will do. :)

We call the germans "Alemanes" in spanish, for example, "germans" in english, but I believe the correct name for them is "deutsch".
Which I find odd - I thought Alemanic was meant to refer to a specific region of Germany. I suppose it's the same as calling citizens of the US "Americans".

Not when it's hawt Asians nazis =P
Some of them probably aren't even Nazis. (East) Asians are a lot more experimental when it comes to fashion. For example, some pics from Harajuku (Japan):

http://www.howardwfrench.com/photos/albums/Tokyo-and-more/harajuku_blue_bride_01.sized.jpg

http://p.vtourist.com/1293077-Goth_inspired_teens-Harajuku.jpg

Personally, I find it really cool. I suppose most Westerners will find this weird though (even if the styles used are from older times in Western history).

that hardly excuses him chasing after pre-pubescent girls well into his middle-ageness.

All modern pedophile-hysteria aside, it might be a little more morally healthy to fault him for the untold millions of people he killed.

English terminology in certain respects is pretty confoundingly dumb;

Perfect example.

Dutch people are "Niederländer"

Germans people are "Deutsch"


It wouldn't have been easier to turn the Deutsch(the word for the German people) into Dutch people for english use?

This led to more then one mistake with immigrants in the past. A German immigrant says "Ich bin Deutscher", and the immigration officer takes it for Dutch. This is how the Old Dutch Church in Pennsylvania got it's name, despite being of german origin and having virtually nothing to do with the netherlands.

Don't be so suprised when Asians wear swastika's seeing as many of them could care less about the european theatre of war during world war 2.

I see alot of people wearing the flag of Imperialistic Japan (The one with the rising sun and the red sunbeams) in the west, but try the same in China and the outcome could very well be ugly.

What we tend to percieve as the ultimate evil doesn't immediatly mean others do so aswell.

Also on a related note, people in Eastern Asia could really care less about the swastika as it is a common holy symbol.

What we tend to percieve as the ultimate evil doesn't immediatly mean others do so aswell.

Also on a related note, people in Eastern Asia could really care less about the swastika as it is a common holy symbol.
Exactly. Like I said, this doesn't seem to be much more than a fashion statement.

I read the article. Kenneth Eng calls himself an "Asian supremacist" (alarm bell one) and has written many other provocative articles including "Proof Whites Hate Us" (alarm bell 2). He deserves nothing other than ridicule.

I wholeheartedly agree. Where do these people come from anyway? So terrible.

I am almost tempted to send mr eng a letter inviting him to partake in the pleasures of railroad building. :D

after being robbed at gunpoint by a black person, i must admit that my views towards certain black people are skewed more heavily than they used to be...

My views were a bit skewed towards Chinese people after 2 personal incidents and more than one recounted incident of Chinese people seeming to want to have nothing to do with English people (examples from student accommodation, here's two: I was in sharing a house with Chinese people, walked into the dining room where they were sat, talking in Chinese. Not one said hi to me, they just carried on talking in Chinese and of course I couldn't initiate conversation as I couldn't speak Chinese and had no idea what they were talking about so had no idea whether it would have been appropriate to try to start up a conversation with them when they may be in the middle of a debate for all I know. another: went into dining room (dif house), two housemates talking in Chinese. Again, none said hi. Made some food, sat down at table and they never spoke a word to me. All they had to do was say "We're just talking about something pivate" if it was private. I questioned them about it and it turned out there was no reason any of them HAD to talk in Chinese - they just preferred to. Fair enough. But that's no excuse for being rude. I know if I knew Chinese and was in a China, I would talk Chinese in front of my housemates, not my native language if I could speak Chinese well enough, and as they could both speak English well, they could have spoken English if it wasn't a private conversation. But one of their excuses? "Chinese people do it" (she was from Hong Kong, which of course is no longer part of China)) - of course this makes Chinese people look very rude, combined with some posters I've seen in Chinese which actually amounts to racism as it's the same as saying "we only want Chinese people to respond".

For a while, due to these things and what my friend recounted to me, I considered all Chinese people to be rude. But I now realise it's unfair to judge a race based on a few incidents of some ignorant and rude members of that race.

I was expecting anime. Why is there no anime?

:p

.....

Odd, seeing as most people I know find Chinese people almost annoyingly polite. Though be aware that the nice facade of a "Chinaman" tends to drop exponentially with each extra chinese person.

Though mind you, since there are more than 1.3 billion chinese in this world it's rather silly to make such generalistions.

As for those posters well, seeing as you don't say what those posters were about it's easy for me to take it out of context. If they were recruiting for, let say, a kungfu movie then its rather obvious that they might be inclined not to invite -non-chinese...

Some of them probably aren't even Nazis. (East) Asians are a lot more experimental when it comes to fashion.
If I remember correctly, the image (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg) I posted was actually snapped by some guy at a Return to Castle Wolfenstein promotional-thing.
I was expecting anime. Why is there no anime?
Because no one thought to ask (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/23145235_d898cbfeb4_m.jpg). Thanks that you did. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/sb24b002.jpg) :P

If I remember correctly, the image (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg) I posted was actually snapped by some guy at a Return to Castle Wolfenstein promotional-thing.
Indeed. I was referring to the other ones more, such as the shops selling Nazi apparel.

I know if I knew Chinese and was in a China, I would talk Chinese in front of my housemates, not my native language if I could speak Chinese well enough

If you were with a friend who was also a native English speaker and talking with them you would have talked in English.

All the cuban-american descendants, in the United States of America. In Cuba, they don't. As I say, we have to call you americans because that's the form you elected to be called in the english language. It is courtesy indeed.
Don't be so quick to jump on the Cubans...many of them are not Cuban American descendants, but actually born/lived in Cuba. I'm not JUST talking about young people here, but about people who are actually from Cuba who have, as they put it "fleed to America"....Simply because you guys may not say "America" in your country, doesnt mean they dont in other Latin-American countries..."Cuando veniste a America?" "Y como te gusta America? Piensas que es mejor de tu otra pais?"....are all totally correct in Spanish, and are found frequently in conversations in South Florida and Southern California, two places where I have lived.


It is the language of the United Kingdom, not yours, as much as spanish is the language of Spain, and not ours. But yes, I deeply believe it is a translation issue.
It can be "of" the UK and still be "our" language..seeing as they are not identical but different. Its similar to going to Switzerland, and hearing "Schwiezerdüütch"....and saying "your language is of Germany but it is still your language because it is not German from Germany.
We call the germans "Alemanes" in spanish, for example, "germans" in english, but I believe the correct name for them is "deutsch".
Yes, in English and German "Allemanish" is actually a Swiss-German dialect...located in the Alps...so its interesting that in Spanish we say "Allemania"...and all that. But just goes to show....like you said, all a matter of translation.

Will do. :)
As will I.:)

Simply because you guys may not say "America" in your country, doesnt mean they dont in other Latin-American countries..."Cuando veniste a America?" "Y como te gusta America? Piensas que es mejor de tu otra pais?"....are all totally correct in Spanish, and are found frequently in conversations in South Florida and Southern California, two places where I have lived.

They don't in Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, Uruguay, Ecuador, Mexico and República Dominicana, places where I have been and lived. And if those people use THAT spanish, well, it is not weird that they say "America" to refer to the United States.

Most of the spanish speakers would say "¿Cuándo fuiste a América? ¿Te gusta América? ¿Piensas que es mejor que tu país?". I think that's the "hispanic" dialect people is talking about this days.

Why should this story surprise anyone? The warning signs have been present for years. (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/Fiddlebottoms/122201.jpg)

MWHAHAHA. God, that cracked me up! Thx, I needed it, trying to write a fucking essay in FRIDAY!!!

They don't in Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Argentina, Uruguay, Ecuador, Mexico and República Dominicana, places where I have been and lived. And if those people use THAT spanish, well, it is not weird that they say "America" to refer to the United States.

Most of the spanish speakers would say "¿Cuándo fuiste a América? ¿Te gusta América? ¿Piensas que es mejor que tu país?". I think that's the "hispanic" dialect people is talking about this days.
Could be...I've only been to Mexico and Dominican Republic..so I'm not really sure how people talk IN South America or most of Central America...but I know that how people speak Spanish here wouldnt be "correct" in my Spanish book at all. Except "Cuando fuiste a America"....because that is used here also...but thats like "when did you go to America"..as opposed to "cuando veniste a America"....which is more like when did you come to America....I tend to think "veniste" is more accurate in this situation, or maybe just cuz I am a product of the American spanish influence. ;) :p

¿Hace cuánto viniste a América?

¿Cuándo llegaste a América?

or rather

¿Hace cuánto llegaste a América?

Would be all valid forms, in that case. ¿Cuándo veniste a América? is not correct, and sounds pretty incomplete and uncomfortable.

I knew this was going to happen eventually, americans eventually telling us, native speakers, how spanish is actually spoken, according to your weird and globalized views. Then you suddenly are astonished why most people here in the south think you are a lot of bigots who don't respect other peoples' cultures, and vote for America's fierce opposers.

I don't believe in any generalizations at all, although. And not in stereotypes. That's why I decided to learn english and form my own opinion.

And we don't use a form of "How" when asking about taste, as in "How much do you like América?", going forward to simply "Do you like América?/¿Te gusta América?". Additionally, "¿Qué tanto te gusta América?" would be a valid form, although a bit formal, to translate those words. Otherwise, "¿Y cómo te gusta América?" it is just a rather rude, literal and inproper form of translating the english form and grammar of the question.

But of course, I don't deny that your english book holds more authority than a native speaker with a Mass Communication and Journalism major and a Spanish literature minor.

*SNIP The Anti-American bullshit and you basically shitting your pants due to NOT reading my post*

Remember in the post above when I said, "but I know that how people speak Spanish here wouldnt be "correct" in my Spanish book at all.".....:rolleyes: Yeah...perhaps you should actually READ what I write instead of going "OMG GRINGO THINKING HE KNOWS MORE THAN ME IN SPANISH. NOOOOO PUEDE SER VERDAD!!!!!!!!!"....:rolleyes: If you want to have an actual conversation...please, act in a civlized manner. I CLEARLY stated that spanish here is not what is correct in my spanish book, but it is the spanish here nonetheless. God, calm the hell down.

But of course, I don't deny that your english book holds more authority than a native speaker with a Mass Communication and Journalism major and a Spanish literature minor.
And by the way, get the fuck over yourself. I don't even know what you're talking about here as I didnt even mention my English book. R.E.A.D.I.N.G. C.O.M.P.R.E.H.E.N.S.I.O.N.

it is just a rather rude, literal and inproper form of translating the english form and grammar of the question.
Actually, I do agree with this..and I think that is most likely what it is. Spanish adapting to an Anglo country...and no matter what you think of it, thats what it is, and spanish here is not spanish in Latin-America.

Actually, it wasn't an anti american bullshit at all. Actually, people hate America and americans around here for that reason, and that's a fact, and yet I managed to say, through needed careful reading comprenhension, that I didn't share that opinion.

Sorry about the spanish book part. I understood it in the wrong way.

Yet the "fuck" part wasn't needed at all. If you need to "clarify some verbal matters", you could at least do it in a gentle, SUBTLE, and educated manner.

And one more point. Then the spanish from there is more valid, as valid, or less valid than the central, south american or the spanish "Spanish"?

And one more point. Then the spanish from there is more valid, as valid, or less valid than the central, south american or the spanish "Spanish"?
Equally as valid in the sense that it exists and you just have to deal with it...less valid in the sense that its not official and may be a bastardasation of your language...but, like I with American Blacks and their ghetto "english",...you'll still have you live with it.

....

Sorry to hear that. i've met a lot of nice chinese. (most of them are from malaysia, but one from shanghai) and i don't think i've ever had that problem. but then, if i walk in on two ppl speaking a different language than i, i'm so quiet that i wouldn't care if they were talking to me or not. Although i may ask what they're talking about if i get curious.

¿Hace cuánto viniste a América?

¿Cuándo llegaste a América?

or rather

¿Hace cuánto llegaste a América?

Would be all valid forms, in that case. ¿Cuándo veniste a América? is not correct, and sounds pretty incomplete and uncomfortable.

I knew this was going to happen eventually, americans eventually telling us, native speakers, how spanish is actually spoken, according to your weird and globalized views. Then you suddenly are astonished why most people here in the south think you are a lot of bigots who don't respect other peoples' cultures, and vote for America's fierce opposers.

I don't believe in any generalizations at all, although. And not in stereotypes. That's why I decided to learn english and form my own opinion.

And we don't use a form of "How" when asking about taste, as in "How much do you like América?", going forward to simply "Do you like América?/¿Te gusta América?". Additionally, "¿Qué tanto te gusta América?" would be a valid form, although a bit formal, to translate those words. Otherwise, "¿Y cómo te gusta América?" it is just a rather rude, literal and inproper form of translating the english form and grammar of the question.

But of course, I don't deny that your english book holds more authority than a native speaker with a Mass Communication and Journalism major and a Spanish literature minor.

I guess I now understand why some Americans think that people are jealous of them when they are being criticized. You can cut the inferiority complex in your post with a knife. Atlantian was just trying to maintain a casual chat. Go out and have some fresh air.

I guess I now understand why some Americans think that people are jealous of them when they are being criticized. You can cut the inferiority complex in your post with a knife. Atlantian was just trying to maintain a casual chat. Go out and have some fresh air.

And your "casual" remarks come out now that everything started to solve out regarding what reasons in specific?

To provoke?

he had a penchant for young girls.

I can't find anything about it on his wikipedia page, therefore it is not true.

I can't find anything about it on his wikipedia page, therefore it is not true.
because we all know how reliable wiki is - and also how carefully monitored Mao's page would be by the Chinese.

Quick googling found this:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/east_asian_history/116516/1
As Mao aged, he became obsessied about his personal health. He took seriously the traditional Chinese belief that making love to a young woman, preferably a virgin, would help to restore and reinvigorate a man's health and vigour.
Girls from throughout China were brought to his bed, some willingly and some not.

A very good book about Mao is "Mao: The Unknown Story" by Jon Halliday and Jung Chang (author of "Wild Swans"). It makes mention of Mao's demands for teenage (and younger) virgins to be brought to his bed to help 'restore' his flagging vitality.

Also you should read "The Private Life of Chairman Mao" written by his personal physician of 20 years, Li Zhi-Sui. It reads more like a National Enquirer tale at times but it's worthwhile. It also details Mao's obsession with young girls.

Clearly, this is an angry individual with a chip on his shoulder. I find it unfortunate that he was compelled to resort to this kind of bile, but to a certain extent, I can understand it. My Vietnamese friend tells me of racism he has experienced, and as a Jew, I've experienced some anti-semitism, so I know that path myself. I think what frustrates some minorities is that white people are just completely ignorant of the racism that goes on, or are themselves implicitly complicit in it.

*snip*

Actually it just has to do with Chinese etiquette. In Chinese culture it is polite to mind your own buisiness, and considered rude to harass others, and crude to talk too much (especially to strangers). For those of you in retail, you may notice Chinese customers prefer not to be served until they are ready to buy. To try and treat them like customers usually irritates them.
Sorry to hear that. i've met a lot of nice chinese. (most of them are from malaysia, but one from shanghai) and i don't think i've ever had that problem. *snip* Incidentally, Malaysian chinese are very westernised (my fiancee is Malaysian Chinese). Likewise, Shanghai has always been the 'guailo' city of China (apart from HK, of course).