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Hey, I was wondering if anyone from the UK, especially from england could help me out. I am doing a geneaology family tree type of thing, and well I have come to a stopping point.

I was wondering if you could do me two favours:

1) Do you know any good census/ record keeping places that have records of the area from before 1600?

2) Can you tell me a bit about Boston, Linconshire, England? That is where I trace my last known ancestor. I just want to know where I came from and all that :)

oh, and if any one wants to look at my family tree thus far, here (http://zilam.myheritage.com)it is

Hey, I was wondering if anyone from the UK, especially from england could help me out. I am doing a geneaology family tree type of thing, and well I have come to a stopping point.

I was wondering if you could do me two favours:

1) Do you know any good census/ record keeping places that have records of the area from before 1600?

2) Can you tell me a bit about Boston, Linconshire, England? That is where I trace my last known ancestor. I just want to know where I came from and all that :)

oh, and if any one wants to look at my family tree thus far, here (http://zilam.myheritage.com)it is

I couldn't look at your family tree, it said I needed a password.

Have you tried dealing with the Mormon Church? They have extensive genealogical information.

Urm... I reckon parish records would be your best bet, and I'd imagine that means actually tramping through them here in England.

As far as Boston's concerned, the best I can do for you would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Lincolnshire

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful; genealogy's not my strong-point.:p

Most of the churches in england (c of e) have extensive records of marriages and christenings. If you know which parish your ancestor is from, then you could probably track his parents, their parish, relatives and what not.

I'm sure I've been to licolnshire a few times, but I can't say I remember anything about it.

I couldn't look at your family tree, it said I needed a password.

Have you tried dealing with the Mormon Church? They have extensive genealogical information.

oops, i made it public now :)

Urm... I reckon parish records would be your best bet, and I'd imagine that means actually tramping through them here in England.

As far as Boston's concerned, the best I can do for you would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston%2C_Lincolnshire

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful; genealogy's not my strong-point.:p

So, looking through the church would be the best bet...this might cost me too much :p

However, that wiki site actually helps me piece a bit of the puzzle together... I have info on the origins of my ancestors from around the time of Rome up until the Norman invasion, but nothing after that until 1575...now I can see where they ended up after the invasion...hmm..

You could actually just call the vicar. Most of them have copious amounts of time on their hands and will help out with that sort of thing.

Again - Parish Records FTW.

One of my relatives is obsessed with the family tree and managed to trace the family back to the middle ages - the only thing that stopped him was that a lot of churches had fires at some point in the last several hundred years which destroyed or partially destroyed a lot of their records.

If you're lucky and your ancestors were married in churches that did not suffer fires (good luck...) there is no reason you can't trace your family back a thousand years or so

Have you tried putting a request on www.genesreunited.co.uk there may be distant relatives who have already done the work - you will have to register which costs about $20 for six months.

2) Can you tell me a bit about Boston, Linconshire, England? That is where I trace my last known ancestor. I just want to know where I came from and all that :)
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Well it's just up the road from me, what would you like to know?

What the hell is a 'UKian'?

What the hell is a 'UKian'?

It's American for British.

What the hell is a 'UKian'?

Some of the Yanks got pissed at the Pomms, Krauts and Frogs for calling them USians so they now call them UKians and EUians.

It's American for British.
And probably technically more correct.

And probably technically more correct.

How?

*pushes Zilam around with Norman genes* (I have a castle dammit!)

I doubt you will have luck as far as the 1500’s go not the most stable of times

What the hell is a 'UKian'?

a member of UKIP?

And probably technically more correct.

Well if you conisder the basis for USian then this is like the opposite situation, but the same logic applies, given that the US doesn't cover all of the continent of America, and by this logic they shouldn't be called "Americans"; technically not every citizen of the UK can be referred to as British, what with not all of its territory being contained on the island of Britain. (I don't support the use of the term USian, so don't bother flaming me.)

And probably technically more correct.

Both are correct, when referring to Lincolnshire. 'English' would also have been correct. I'm from Britain and I'm also from the UK, so I take no offense. The only reason for a USian to get offended is because the name challenges their belief that they're the only Americans or something... Anyway that's irrelevant to the thread.
Boston is quite nice. Nowt special, like. Nice sea views.

How?
Someone from Northern Ireland is a 'UKian', but technically isn't British, but Irish.

Both are correct, when referring to Lincolnshire. 'English' would also have been correct. I'm from Britain and I'm also from the UK, so I take no offense. The only reason for a USian to get offended is because the name challenges their belief that they're the only Americans or something... Anyway that's irrelevant to the thread.
Boston is quite nice. Nowt special, like. Nice sea views.
Of course. In any case, 'Ukian' is a bit pedantic really. Everybody knows what you mean.

Someone from Northern Ireland is a 'UKian', but technically isn't British, but Irish.

Why aren't they British?

Why aren't they British?

Technically Great Britian does not include Northern Ireland - which is why people say "Great Britian and Northern Ireland", although people in NI get British citizenship.

the United Kingdom however does include Northern Ireland.

Someone from Northern Ireland is a 'UKian', but technically isn't British, but Irish.

Incorrect. They are either British or Irish depending upon which passport they hold.

Technically Great Britian does not include Northern Ireland - which is why people say "Great Britian and Northern Ireland", although people in NI get British citizenship.

the United Kingdom however does include Northern Ireland.

The are, however, still a resident of the British Isles. Someone living in Eire could claim to be British using that measure also.

Why aren't they British?

Britain's the one on the right.

parish records mate o and no offense but maybe witches? I dunnno

Well it's just up the road from me, what would you like to know?


I want to know about the churches, historical places, type of landscape, weather/climate, ummm just the basics.

Boston is quite nice. Nowt special, like. Nice sea views.

Boston is bloody dump of place.The locals being some of the worst offerings that the human race had put forth in a long while. Mind you, most towns in Lincolnshire fit this description.

Incorrect. They are either British or Irish depending upon which passport they hold.
Nope. Someone from the Island of Ireland is Irish, and someone from Great Britian is British. Hence, there is no such thing as a British passport at all (there being no ruling only Great Britain), only a United Kingdom passport. Even the name 'United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland' recognises the difference between the two in the same country.

Nope. Someone from the Island of Ireland is Irish, and someone from Great Britian is British. Hence, there is no such thing as a British passport at all (there being no ruling only Great Britain), only a United Kingdom passport. Even the name 'United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland' recognises the difference between the two in the same country.

I think you will find that even the United Kingdom Passport Agency use the term 'British Passport'.

Frex: http://www.ukpa.gov.uk/general_biometrics_cloned.asp and http://www.passport.gov.uk/general_rules_ami.asp

Take it up with them.


So, are you also claiming that people in Northern Ireland can't be British citizens?

i can tell you that lincolnshire has the highest rate of incest of any county in the UK. other than that, can't help you. not that that was any help, or even welcome news. :p

not that i can talk coming, as i do, from a tiny island from which a 1/4 of my lineage hasn't left since the 1400s (the rest being immigrants) :p

Boston is bloody dump of place.The locals being some of the worst offerings that the human race had put forth in a long while. Mind you, most towns in Lincolnshire fit this description.

Oh well, it's on the right side of the Pennines anyway.

Before 1600? I don't think you'll have a lot of luck. I think this probably applies to most people, British or not.

My granddad managed to trace our family back to 1780-something.

How he bloody hell did you manage to find out about your family in Roman times Zilam? Sounds a bit dubious...

Oh well, it's on the right side of the Pennines anyway.

The south side?

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But that doesn't make any sense, how can you know so far back without being able to trace a line of descent?

But that doesn’t make any sense, how can you know so far back without being able to trace a line of descent?
That’s what I’m a-thinking. Sounds very much like one of these dodgy online genealogy sites.

I think you will find that even the United Kingdom Passport Agency use the term 'British Passport'.

Frex: http://www.ukpa.gov.uk/general_biometrics_cloned.asp and http://www.passport.gov.uk/general_rules_ami.asp

Take it up with them.


So, are you also claiming that people in Northern Ireland can't be British citizens?
No. They are citizens of the United Kingdom, not Great Britain. There's nothing really wrong with referring to the entire UK as just Britain colloquially, as the UKPA is, but on a physical passport, it only refers to the United Kingdom.

Oh well, it's on the right side of the Pennines anyway.
Boston's not in Lancashire dude. :rolleyes:

As for genealogy, my dad traced both his side and my mum's side through a combination of record offices and gravestones. Apparently I'm related to a load of Scottish border highwaymen. IIRC, there was mention of our family in a museum in Carlisle, but I was young at the time and my dad might have been embellishing the truth a little.

Hey, I was wondering if anyone from the UK, especially from england could help me out. I am doing a geneaology family tree type of thing, and well I have come to a stopping point.

I was wondering if you could do me two favours:

1) Do you know any good census/ record keeping places that have records of the area from before 1600?

2) Can you tell me a bit about Boston, Linconshire, England? That is where I trace my last known ancestor. I just want to know where I came from and all that :)

oh, and if any one wants to look at my family tree thus far, here (http://zilam.myheritage.com)it is

Just lettin ya know: I think you mean Lincolnshire (you missed out the second "L", which is often missed out when the word is spoken verbally but is NOT missed out when written down)

No. They are citizens of the United Kingdom, not Great Britain. There's nothing really wrong with referring to the entire UK as just Britain colloquially, as the UKPA is, but on a physical passport, it only refers to the United Kingdom.

Goddammit, this sort of thing winds me up as much as people flying the Union flag uspside down.

Britain =/= Great Britain. "Great" is not a description of how wonderful Britain is. "Great Britain", in a fairly standard method for naming the largest island in a grouping refers to the largest island in the British isles. "British" if it's not being used in a strictly geographical context is fairly standardly accepted as meaning referring to the United Kingdom. There needs be even less confusion when referring to "Britain" as there is virtually nothing else it can refer to other than the UK.

On the other hand i like the term UKian; briton is too formal and brit, if you're not sure of the tone, can sound condescending.

Goddammit, this sort of thing winds me up as much as people flying the Union flag uspside down.

Britain =/= Great Britain. "Great" is not a description of how wonderful Britain is. "Great Britain", in a fairly standard method for naming the largest island in a grouping refers to the largest island in the British isles. "British" if it's not being used in a strictly geographical context is fairly standardly accepted as meaning referring to the United Kingdom. There needs be even less confusion when referring to "Britain" as there is virtually nothing else it can refer to other than the UK.
I would say that the term 'Britain' and 'British' does refer only to the Island of Great Britain, not to Ireland, especially since when the terms first came into use Ireland was not a part of the Union. Although Ireland is one of the British Isles, I doubt there are many that would consider themselves British because of it.

Of course, I'm not arguing that using the term 'Britain' doesn't generally today refer to the UK, including NI, as a whole.

On the other hand i like the term UKian; briton is too formal and brit, if you're not sure of the tone, can sound condescending.
I just seems a bit made-up, but I suppose both British and American may well have sounded that way too.

You could always try looking at the Domesday Book. It is avalible online after all. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/domesday/

I can accurately say that I'm related to everyone in this village. The name just doesn't appear outside the village.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7580999&queryType=1&resultcount=1

I would say that the term 'Britain' and 'British' does refer only to the Island of Great Britain, not to Ireland, especially since when the terms first came into use Ireland was not a part of the Union. Although Ireland is one of the British Isles, I doubt there are many that would consider themselves British because of it.

Of course, I'm not arguing that using the term 'Britain' doesn't generally today refer to the UK, including NI, as a whole.


I just seems a bit made-up, but I suppose both British and American may well have sounded that way too.

Actually the name of the island is Albion.

No. They are citizens of the United Kingdom, not Great Britain.

You are making a fallacious correlation between 'British' and 'Great Britain'.

Well if you conisder the basis for USian then this is like the opposite situation, but the same logic applies, given that the US doesn't cover all of the continent of America, and by this logic they shouldn't be called "Americans"; technically not every citizen of the UK can be referred to as British, what with not all of its territory being contained on the island of Britain. (I don't support the use of the term USian, so don't bother flaming me.)

Yea, except that the island is called Great Britain, not Britain.

Britain's the one on the right.

No, Great Britain's the one on the right.

Yea, except that the island is called Great Britain, not Britain.

...but Great Britain is not an island.

No. They are citizens of the United Kingdom, not Great Britain. There's nothing really wrong with referring to the entire UK as just Britain colloquially, as the UKPA is, but on a physical passport, it only refers to the United Kingdom.

So even though it says "Nationality: British" on my passport, I'm not British because I'm not from Great Britain?

That's some misunderstanding you have going on there.

...but Great Britain is not an island.

Sure it is. The "Great Britain" part of the name may refer to more than the actual island of Great Britain, but geographically it's just one island. All the other smaller ones have their own names.

Sure it is. The “Great Britain” part of the name may refer to more than the actual island of Great Britain, but geographically it’s just one island. All the other smaller ones have their own names.
Maybe BWO means that ‘Great Britain’ only refers to the political union, not the physical island(s).

Maybe BWO means that ‘Great Britain’ only refers to the political union, not the physical island(s).

It may refer to the political union, but it is the name of a single island.

Maybe BWO means that ‘Great Britain’ only refers to the political union, not the physical island(s).

No, I mean that off-shore islands are also included in the term 'Great Britain' as a geographical term. Take Anglesey for example.

No, I mean that off-shore islands are also included in the term 'Great Britain' as a geographical term. Take Anglesey for example.

They're included in "Great Britain" as a political term, but not properly as a geographical term.

Grenada, off the coast of South America was also British and anyone born their is British, until it's independance. This goes for pretty much most of the colonies.

No, Great Britain's the one on the right.

Meh. I'll tell you what, I have a good view of Headingley Stadium from my window, you can look past it up to the Parkinson Tower and it's quite a nice skyline, but I wouldn't call it great, myself.