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So what'll it be? Are you a Khan fan? Do you love the Borg? Are you on a search for God? Or maybe you just love whales?

Inspired by the "best episode" thread, here it is: your favorite Trek movie and why.

"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. Weve made too many compromises already; too mny retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done." -Captain Picard

First Contact wins, no contest. It's one of the only movies that non-trek fans can watch and appreciate, Patrick Stewart's acting is superb, the Borg are one of the greatest Sci-Fi "enemies" in history, and it's just a damn good movie. It's too bad the other TNG films couldn't quite reach it's level.

"And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it." -Captain Picard, quoting Moby Dick

TaH pagh taHbe'. DaH mu’tl Heghvam vlqelnlS.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!


How can you not love the most hated villan in Trek?

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Damn, beaten to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kirk_scream.jpg

Yupple, TWOK kicks butt. Just don’t go putting any ceti eels in my ear.


EDIT>> Grrr, I'm being stupid. Why can't I see Kirk's gurning face?

First Contact wins, no contest. It's one of the only movies that non-trek fans can watch and appreciate, Patrick Stewart's acting is superb, the Borg are one of the greatest Sci-Fi "enemies" in history, and it's just a damn good movie.


QFT.

It also added quite a bit of humor to it. I greatly enjoyed seeing Deanna Troi drunk off her ass.

holy shit! i didn't even know there was more than one. i've only seen generations. i remember that big space ship crashed and threw up loads of soil and shit, then picard met thingy and it was all like "OMG! you're, like, him! and wow! but... didn't you die? errr... this is weird" sort of thing.

So what'll it be? Are you a Khan fan? Do you love the Borg? Are you on a search for God? Or maybe you just love whales?

Inspired by the "best episode" thread, here it is: your favorite Trek movie and why.

Wath of Khan.

Two Captains. one experienced, the other a genius.

both ships on equal footing.

nothing at stake except their ships and crews.

"There is an old Klingon Proverb. Revenge is a Dish best served cold... and it is so very cold in space."

First Contact wins, no contest. It's one of the only movies that non-trek fans can watch and appreciate, Patrick Stewart's acting is superb, the Borg are one of the greatest Sci-Fi "enemies" in history, and it's just a damn good movie. It's too bad the other TNG films couldn't quite reach it's level.

Except, in order to make the movie, they re-wrote the character of Cochrane and removed the original discoverers of Earth. (it wasn't the Vulcans.)

Well...

Well...

...well what?

Never saw the eighth or tenth installments.

You really don't know what you're missing. I expect this to go as it has so far, with votes primarily split between WoK and FC. Nemesis is kind of a Khan rehash, but First Contact is excellent.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is the best one, hands down. The original was one of the worst films ever made. It has the distinction of being the only movie to ever put me to sleep. Not even The Blair Witch Project, Annie Hall, or My Stepmother is an Alien was able to do that.

The fifth one was also atrocious. I wasn't able to watch all of it. I had to force myself out of my chair to go turn it off before it could put me to sleep.

The third one was okay. The fourth was very good, but too silly. The sixth was awesome. Generations was so-so. Insurrection was beyond horrible. Never saw the eighth or tenth installments.

...well what?

While I *LOVE* StarTrek, I'm not sure I can can truly appreciate the movies for what they really are. I'm more into all the action shown.

You really don't know what you're missing. I expect this to go as it has so far, with votes primarily split between WoK and FC. Nemesis is kind of a Khan rehash, but First Contact is excellent.

I'll add them to my Netflix list, then. :)

Okay, WTF. Who voted for the first option? :mad:

Okay, WTF. Who voted for the first option? :mad:
It couldn’t be... could it?

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!

It couldn’t be... could it?

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!

:eek:

Star Trek 6. Nicholas Meyer was one of the best things to happen to the trek movies.

Okay, WTF. Who voted for the first option? :mad:

Well, at least no-one's voted for The Final Frontier or Nemesis.

The Voyage Home was good, but so different from the others that it's rather difficult to rate. First Contact was good, albeit not partcularly original. The Undiscovered Country was very good - possibly the best.

One is good, but it's between Two and Six for me. Next Gen boils down to the Picard and Data show.

Star Trek 6. Nicholas Meyer was one of the best things to happen to the trek movies.

QFT.

One is good, but it's between Two and Six for me. Next Gen boils down to the Picard and Data show.

How was one good? Even most Trekkies hate it. It's way too long, way too slow, way too boring, and utterly devoid of any kind of action or excitement.

Okay, WTF. Who voted for the first option? :mad:

Oh. That'd be me. :)

How was one good? Even most Trekkies hate it. It's way too long, way too slow, way too boring, and utterly devoid of any kind of action or excitement.
It was never meant to be a full-length film, it was supposed to be a pilot episode for a new trek series. It did have some beauty shots of the new Boobyprize, close-ups of really detailed cling-on ships, ground-breaking special effects for the time, and crappy transporters that killed Commander Sonak, the new science officer so that Spock could come back. sure it was a slow crawl in the middle but that's just because they were trying to fill time with grand visuals instead of a new, longer story. It was their first go and I think they deserved some slack for that. At least is was better than 5 and 10.

Oh. That'd be me. :)

Freak. :p

What a greek convention

What a greek convention

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/05/images/040514_troy.jpg
"Oh, good. I'm in the right place then."

I don't think he's in the right place anywhere. And definitely not in a film about the Trojan War (which turned also Achilles' homosexual lover into his mere "friend").

Wrath of Kahn no doubt about it!

Some of the best quotes

Kirk: Khan... Khan, you've got Genesis, but you don't have me. You were going to kill me, Khan. You're gonna have to come down here. You're gonna have to come down here.
Khan: I've done far worse than kill you, Admiral. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive. Buried alive.


Khan: I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flames before I give him up.

Why is 5 on the list? We do not speak of 5, it is an abomination!


First Contact, love that movie. Stewart does the obsessed rage thing very well there.

Wath of Khan.

Two Captains. one experienced, the other a genius.

both ships on equal footing.

nothing at stake except their ships and crews.

"There is an old Klingon Proverb. Revenge is a Dish best served cold... and it is so very cold in space."

dang. Beat me to it. Khan for the win.

Except, in order to make the movie, they re-wrote the character of Cochrane and removed the original discoverers of Earth. (it wasn't the Vulcans.)

Who was it then? I obviously have a gaping hole in my Star Trek lore.

Who was it then? I obviously have a gaping hole in my Star Trek lore.

in one of the books (way before the movies, and I believe in the TOS episode with Balok) they mention the First Federation. the last of the original races that formed the Federation of United Planets. they supposidly had some catastrophe that caused them to dissapear, and the Federation's Governing Body was moved to Earth.

then there was TOC: Metamorphsis, where you meet Cochrane and what he says didn't indicate the first visitors to Earth were Vulcans.

Nevermind the fact that Cochrane orignally was an Alpha Centurian who used his warp drive to go to Earth...

To me, First Contact, like the series Enterprise, was only used to 'correct' the scientific mistakes TOS had.

in one of the books (way before the movies, and I believe in the TOS episode with Balok) they mention the First Federation. the last of the original races that formed the Federation of United Planets. they supposidly had some catastrophe that caused them to dissapear, and the Federation's Governing Body was moved to Earth.

then there was TOC: Metamorphsis, where you meet Cochrane and what he says didn't indicate the first visitors to Earth were Vulcans.

Nevermind the fact that Cochrane orignally was an Alpha Centurian who used his warp drive to go to Earth...

To me, First Contact, like the series Enterprise, was only used to 'correct' the scientific mistakes TOS had.

The sad thing is that I've sat here waiting for you to come back and tell me that.

The really sad thing is that I was prepared to give it another 6 hours :(

The sad thing is that I've sat here waiting for you to come back and tell me that.

The really sad thing is that I was prepared to give it another 6 hours :(

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I know what you mean.


guess for some of us, NSG is now our lifeblood.

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I know what you mean.


guess for some of us, NSG is now our lifeblood.


If by "lifeblood" you mean "crack," then yes.

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I know what you mean.

guess for some of us, NSG is now our lifeblood.
You make that sound as if it were a really bad thing... :(

I would have to go with First Contact. The Enterprise is so beautiful in it. Plus I have always prefered NG to TOS.

In the TOS films kirk acts more like a pirate than a federation captain.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b152/ktwhistler/AwesomeKirk.jpg

The Undiscovered Country.
I like the explanation of sabotage.

in one of the books (way before the movies, and I believe in the TOS episode with Balok) they mention the First Federation. the last of the original races that formed the Federation of United Planets. they supposidly had some catastrophe that caused them to dissapear, and the Federation's Governing Body was moved to Earth.

then there was TOC: Metamorphsis, where you meet Cochrane and what he says didn't indicate the first visitors to Earth were Vulcans.

Nevermind the fact that Cochrane orignally was an Alpha Centurian who used his warp drive to go to Earth...

Do you have any links? I've just metioned this to a mate who's quite a Trekie and he doesn't quite believe it.

in one of the books (way before the movies, and I believe in the TOS episode with Balok) they mention the First Federation. the last of the original races that formed the Federation of United Planets. they supposidly had some catastrophe that caused them to dissapear, and the Federation's Governing Body was moved to Earth.

then there was TOC: Metamorphsis, where you meet Cochrane and what he says didn't indicate the first visitors to Earth were Vulcans.

Nevermind the fact that Cochrane orignally was an Alpha Centurian who used his warp drive to go to Earth...

To me, First Contact, like the series Enterprise, was only used to 'correct' the scientific mistakes TOS had.

The books are not canon though. First Contact certainly is. This "first Federation" or whatever is not "real" in the Star Trek universe.

Now, as for the Cochrane in the TOS episode, haha, ya that's definately a difference, however I've heard a lot about how he can still be from Alpha Centauri and have First Contact still make sense. Alpha Centauri is a human colony, so he could have been born there, moved to Earth, and invented warp drive.

In the TOS films kirk acts more like a pirate than a federation captain.

Not to mention how horrible the acting is. In Khan, the real battle between Kirk and Khan is to see who can be more overly dramatic and over-act, not who can kill the other with a starship.

Not to mention how horrible the acting is. In Khan, the real battle between Kirk and Khan is to see who can be more overly dramatic and over-act, not who can kill the other with a starship.

I well give them one mark though, in the way they realised that space is 3D so you can go up and down not just forward/backward and sideways.

KHHAAAAAAAAN!!!!

And Kirk ftp*w

* proverbial

I had to go with the Wrath of Khan because it seems to me to be quintessential star trek. Yeah yeah, it's melodramatic and cheesey... but hello, that's what star trek is!

Plus it seems to have an almost operatic nature what with the James Horner soundtrack and the strong themes of vengence, death, rebirth, old age. Something classical about that that is missing from the others I have seen.

Do you have any links? I've just metioned this to a mate who's quite a Trekie and he doesn't quite believe it.

unfortunatly, no. since First Contact, everything has been altered to fit that new timeline.

but there was one book, a companion book that mentioned a difference race that discovered Earth and "sponsored" it into the Federation... unfortunatly, I can't remember the title. it was one that focused on the alien species in the Star Trek universe... and it was published in the early - mid 80's. (which is why i don't remember the name.)

but in metamorphosis, watch Cochrane's interaction with Spock. for someone who set up diplomatic relations with the vulcans, he sure didn't know much about them...

I had to go with the Wrath of Khan because it seems to me to be quintessential star trek. Yeah yeah, it's melodramatic and cheesey... but hello, that's what star trek is!

Plus it seems to have an almost operatic nature what with the James Horner soundtrack and the strong themes of vengence, death, rebirth, old age. Something classical about that that is missing from the others I have seen.

Thats why the original series was so good...totally over the top...its great...

The books are not canon though. First Contact certainly is. This "first Federation" or whatever is not "real" in the Star Trek universe.

Now, as for the Cochrane in the TOS episode, haha, ya that's definately a difference, however I've heard a lot about how he can still be from Alpha Centauri and have First Contact still make sense. Alpha Centauri is a human colony, so he could have been born there, moved to Earth, and invented warp drive.

some of the books are cannon. others are. the difference is the ones authorized by Paramount. (but I will agree that the books may not have been canon.)

also, considering the distance from Alpha Centauri to earth, it's more likely that he moved there using Warp Drive... infact, now all resources say that's what he did.

some of the books are cannon. others are. the difference is the ones authorized by Paramount. (but I will agree that the books may not have been canon.)

Only two books are canon, both written by Jeri Ryan and both dealing with the backstories of Voyager characters. Other than that, only the shows and movies (and recently the animated series thanks to a vote) are considered canon.

As for your resources which say Cochrane travelled from AC to Earth with warp drive, they are all non-canon as well if they contradict FC.

Only two books are canon, both written by Jeri Ryan and both dealing with the backstories of Voyager characters. Other than that, only the shows and movies (and recently the animated series thanks to a vote) are considered canon.

As for your resources which say Cochrane travelled from AC to Earth with warp drive, they are all non-canon as well if they contradict FC.

which is why I said, I didn't like FC because it re-wrote the Star Trek History.

also, considering how fast Paramount and the Roddenberry Estate stopped other non cannon elements, (How many people will get this reference...StarFleet Marines? ) also the very short lived comic series Star Trekker, one wonders why they let Non-Cannon things exsist?

unless they are cannon untill contradicted by either movie or series. (which is the standing rules.)

Well, at least no-one's voted for The Final Frontier or Nemesis.

Or Insurrection. In fact I think those could have been left out of the poll and no one would've complained.