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According to teen girls the hot new trend is pregnancy. Sure, because what could be trendier than mood swings, back pain, swelling up, and then being saddled with a screaming ball of incontinence for the rest of your life? That's hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=438036&in_page_id=1770

Not noticed it as being trendy. Emo is trendy, pregnancy is not.

to be fair the daily mail is like the Express only it talks about Diana slightly less. But still way too much

According to teen girls the hot new trend is pregnancy. Sure, because what could be trendier than mood swings, back pain, swelling up, and then being saddled with a screaming ball of incontinence for the rest of your life? That's hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=438036&in_page_id=1770

The girl on that page is not 14. No way in hell. She looks like she could be 30...

Family campaigners said her comments showed how the Government's sex education policy had left teens with the "ridiculous but extremely worrying" misconception that having a child was no different to getting a new handbag.

So what exactly do you learn in sex ed in England?

umm, it seems to be an unofficial rule that quoting the Daily Mail is not allowed...

Well, blame the government who doesnt give proper sex education.

I find extremely funny that the US is so conservative about sex, yet it looks like every 9 of 10 girls has done porn one point in their lives.

maybe it's a little bit hot but i think it's also a little bit stupid.

umm, it seems to be an unofficial rule that quoting the Daily Mail is not allowed...

Quoting the daily mali is equivilant to quoting an unfunny Onion.

The girl on that page is not 14. No way in hell. She looks like she could be 30...

You'd be amazed what smoking and a diet of fish and chips will do for your skin.

So what exactly do you learn in sex ed in England?
It is mostly based about the practicalities of sex and how various contraception methods work - there is little or no consideration for why you should have sex or for the responsibilities involved or consequences of your actions - which given the government will give you a house if you get pregnant at that age there really are no severe consequences - it's not like you'll have to really struggle to feed and clothe the rug-rat.


Edit: For those outside the UK the Daily Mail is often called the 'Daily Wail' - think of a bunch of grumpy old people whining about 'back in my day kids had respect' and the like and you kinda have what they are. But they are good for comedy value.

So what exactly do you learn in sex ed in England?

I remember my sex ed being a single lesson where the middle aged devout muslim chemistry teacher I had basically said you know what it's all about now don't get anyone pregnant.

I'm guessing the girls in question are the type who say "sumfink" instead of "something"?

I'm guessing the girls in question are the type who say "sumfink" instead of "something"?

Correct. You win a drama llama.

I'm guessing the girls in question are the type who say "sumfink" instead of "something"?

Yes girls from London and the south east

Right. So pregnancy is a trend, and any teenage girl who isn't pregnant is just horribly unfashionable and is going to be shunned by her peers? :rolleyes:

Yes girls from London and the south east

The entirity of London and the South East speaks like that? I can only assume that you've never been to either for you to make such a bizarre comment.

I remember my sex ed being a single lesson where the middle aged devout muslim chemistry teacher I had basically said you know what it’s all about now don’t get anyone pregnant.
My first ever sex-ed lesson (in Primary 4 or 5 I think) involved a video in which a robot that looked suspiciously like a Dalek beamed down from space into the bedroom of a small boy and girl,

The children jumped out of bed excitedly, and the robot said something along the lines of, “Hello. I am a robot from space. What is sex?”

To which the children, with the help of mind-boggling diagrams, explained the process of sex in the most unsexy and uninformative way possible.

Jump from that to high school sex-ed two or three years later, again with a video, this time with a rather sultry-looking woman walking into her bedroom from the shower and flinging off her dressing gown.

Well, blame the government who doesnt give proper sex education.

I find extremely funny that the US is so conservative about sex, yet it looks like every 9 of 10 girls has done porn one point in their lives.

Yeah, blame the government. After all, it's not the parent's responsibility to teach their kids anything. That would be ... unfashionable.

According to teen girls the hot new trend is pregnancy. Sure, because what could be trendier than mood swings, back pain, swelling up, and then being saddled with a screaming ball of incontinence for the rest of your life? That's hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=438036&in_page_id=1770
You have quoted evil. I will tame evil, I will get the evil ones, We must find the evil ones. We must get evil, we must laminate evil, we must wear it round our necks at the backstage party in paradise.

Well, blame the government who doesnt give proper sex education.
Yeah!! It's not like parents have any responsibility in bringing up their kids.

I find extremely funny that the US is so conservative about sex, yet it looks like every 9 of 10 girls has done porn one point in their lives.
Ummm... firstly you do realise this is a story about the UK, not the US don't you? And secondly - 9/10 girls have done porno... so you seriously think it is even remotely close to that? Do you even think most girls have done it? The porn industry is only about 10,000 strong...

umm, it seems to be an unofficial rule that quoting the Daily Mail is not allowed...

Whether it is bias or not, I have found it to be far more reliable then many other alternatives. It's completely retarded to refuse to debate an issue simply because it appeared in that newspaper.

The porn industry is only about 10,000 strong...

Yeah, 10,000 professionals.

Everyone else do it for free.

You have quoted evil. I will tame evil, I will get the evil ones, We must find the evil ones. We must get evil, we must laminate evil, we must wear it round our necks at the backstage party in paradise.

In fairness, although the Daily Wail is a winge rag - rather than ad-hom the source you could try addressing the issue.

In fairness, although the Daily Wail is a winge rag - rather than ad-hom the source you could try addressing the issue.
I wasn't even planning on addressing the issue (teen pregnancy is rather boring). It was just an absolutely hilarious joke.

Dear Brits:

Is this an example of the female version of the creature known as a "chav", or is this an entirely new breed? Must we take measures to limit the spread of this clearly nasty diesease?
I suggest culling, or at least sticking them on Canvey Island and nuking it.

Dear Brits:

Is this an example of the female version of the creature known as a "chav", or is this an entirely new breed? Must we take measures to limit the spread of this clearly nasty diesease?

According to teen girls the hot new trend is pregnancy. Sure, because what could be trendier than mood swings, back pain, swelling up, and then being saddled with a screaming ball of incontinence for the rest of your life? That's hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=438036&in_page_id=1770
Urmm...

You quoted the Daily Mail. They're the same people who were incredulous about white men not being allowed into the police force due to massive overrepresentation, and said "BAN THESE EVIL GAMES" after some murder or other which involved the victim owning a copy of Manhunt and his friend wanting it or some othr crap.

www.uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Daily Mail

Extremely close to the truth.



Oh and our sex ed (having just had some) is essentially :

- Use contraeceptives, so as not to get STIs
- Make sure you want to have sex with your partner, and that they want it too
- If you do get pregnant, there's lots of help available
- If you don't want to go full term, this is how to get emergency contraeceptives (the morning after pill etc.)
- Go to a GUM clinic if you might have caught something, and tell all of your previous sexual partners and, by extention their partners to get checked, too (note : this is aimed at fifteen / sixteen year olds who probably won't have had more than about two)
- The ins and outs (*chuckles*) of the mechanics of it all, as far as the stuff you learn at 10/11 goes.

Dear Brits:

Is this an example of the female version of the creature known as a "chav", or is this an entirely new breed? Must we take measures to limit the spread of this clearly nasty diesease?

Yep that's pretty chavvy, but teenage pregnancies do not always happen to chavs.

Yep that's pretty chavvy, but teenage pregnancies do not always happen to chavs.
Correct. My mother was only 18 when I was born, due to an accidental condom breakage-based incident. Certainly not a chav, either.

Dear Brits:

Is this an example of the female version of the creature known as a "chav", or is this an entirely new breed? Must we take measures to limit the spread of this clearly nasty diesease?

She does not look totally chavvy, but that might just be that the photographer did a good job.

She is definately on the spectrum of chavness though.

It's not "fashionable". It's "the quickest way to get a council flat", with the convenience of the rent being paid for you.

Sex ed at my school was pretty decent, but I don't know what other schools teach.

By the way, here's a selection of comments posted (I'd assume) by Mail readers. This is why the intellectual left don't like their crappy hate-rag :

It's about time we brought back SHAME. These girls are taught and advised how to have babies and nothing about MORALS. What an appalling society we have become. These girls parents should know where they are at all times and who with. It is a dereliction of duty. Stop all benefits and housing for these kids kids as well.

- Mrs Jackie Chown, Helston Cornwall

More of Bliar's legacy for all of the world to see.

And to whom does the bill get passed on to? Ah yes, the mugs, the taxpayers that is.

At 14, are they not under the age of consent, therefore committing an offence. May be as a penalty, they should forefit all benefits and let their parent(s) assist with bringing up the offspring

Is it any wonder this country has become a nation of drop outs and scroungers?

Money for nothing and your kids for free!

- Neil Robinson, Hartlepool, England

Answer is simple. Bring back religion and stop benefits. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to sort out the mess this government is making of this once-proud nation.

- S.R.Ambrose, London


Thanks if you read that crap. If not, it's probably for the best, to be honest.

Well, blame the government who doesnt give proper sex education.

I find extremely funny that the US is so conservative about sex, yet it looks like every 9 of 10 girls has done porn one point in their lives.

Why is it the Government's fault? Why not the Parents? I would think that the Parents should be responsible.

Why is it the Government's fault? Why not the Parents? I would think that the Parents should be responsible.

You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to Britain....:p

Well, blame the government who doesnt give proper sex education.

I find extremely funny that the US is so conservative about sex, yet it looks like every 9 of 10 girls has done porn one point in their lives.

You do realize this article is about the UK, right?

Do we get to blame Britney?



Oh, and when will "Having a breakdown and going bonkers" be trendy?

You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to Britain....:p
Britian? Oh well... That explains everything. :p


I'm joking... please don't get sarcastic at me! :eek:

What a dumbass.

According to teen girls the hot new trend is pregnancy. Sure, because what could be trendier than mood swings, back pain, swelling up, and then being saddled with a screaming ball of incontinence for the rest of your life? That's hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=438036&in_page_id=1770
I hate to break it to you, but teen pregnancy is far less common today than it was in days gone by. Back in the good old days, a girl could expect to be sold into marriage as soon as her body was deemed old enough to successfully bear children, and there wasn't The Pill or latex condoms around to help people control their family size.

As far as I can see, most of the hand-wringing about teen pregnancy actually seems to be about people getting pissed when somebody has a baby they can't support. However, this is nothing unique to teens. Plenty of grown adults make babies they can't or won't care for sufficiently. And there are teen parents who manage to support themselves and care for their kids all by themselves.

I think Bottle is saying that young women get pregnant, whether it's in a patriarchal society where women are forced into marriages (a fetus farming support system, or a state run welfare program where women have their babies (a state-sponsored fetus farming support system).

The overall birth rate is down, but I'm not sure if it's down overall for young women (or young women in certain social groups).

Now, if there were state-sponsored abortion, we might see different numbers.

As far as I can see, most of the hand-wringing about teen pregnancy actually seems to be about people getting pissed when somebody has a baby they can't support. However, this is nothing unique to teens. Plenty of grown adults make babies they can't or won't care for sufficiently. And there are teen parents who manage to support themselves and care for their kids all by themselves.

I am not sure what it is like in Australia (you're Aussie yes? I think...) but in the UK the issue is young women (often intentionaly) having children they can't suport as a career option due to good benefits. I don't think many people would be bothered if this girl suported the kid on her own or with only the help of her family - but as the situation is in the UK she stands to be given a house and benefits that could quite easily see her never need to work in her entire life. I know several girls from my school choose this option as it presented an easier and better life to them than working in a shitty job on finishing school.

While there are adults who have children they cant support this is less common, however people are still often against the idea of people choosing to have children they have no intention of supporting.

On the other hand - it is particulary callous to deny a child proper support because of the mothers actions, however making 'state suported motherhod' a viable career also means you have many more children who need supporting. It seems the options are either callous indifference to childrens suffering or promoting 'state supported motherhood' as the best career option for young women who would otherwise go into minimum wage jobs.

I think Bottle is saying that young women get pregnant, whether it's in a patriarchal society where women are forced into marriages (a fetus farming support system, or a state run welfare program where women have their babies (a state-sponsored fetus farming support system).

The overall birth rate is down, but I'm not sure if it's down overall for young women (or young women in certain social groups).

Now, if there were state-sponsored abortion, we might see different numbers.
I am not denying that young women have babies, or that birth rates are down on historical levels, however I suspect the number of babies born to women who have no intention of actually supporting them has grown significantly in recent years due to the very good deal they get from the government.

We do have state-sponsored Abortion in the UK.

Linkey (http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=1)

NHS Abortions
In order to have an abortion on the NHS you need a referral of two doctors who have to agree that the requirements of the Abortion Act have been met. Usually, the first doctor is the woman’s GP and the second is a doctor working at the hospital or clinic where the abortion takes place.

Sometimes women do not feel happy about approaching their own GP to ask to be referred for an abortion. If this is the case, doctors at some family planning clinics, young people’s clinics and some genito-urinary medicine (GUM) clinics will also refer women for an NHS abortion.

Doctors can refuse to certify a woman for an abortion because of their personal beliefs. If this is the case, they should recommend another doctor who can help.

Funding of NHS abortion services differs in various parts of the country; the level of NHS provision ranges from more than 90% of local demand to less than 60% in some areas. In some areas the NHS will pay for abortions to be provided by private clinics, but in other areas it may be necessary to pay for an abortion in a private clinic.

The 60% and 90% refer to their ability to satisify demand for abortions rather than the level of subsidy - you have almost 6 months from conception to get an abortion in the UK - if you act promptly you will be pretty certain to get one free on the NHS even in the high demand areas, if you wait too long you might have to travel, but not very far.

So basically the majority of girls in the UK who get pregnant are free to have free abortions almost on demand, the doctor interviews are more or less a rubber stamp formality.