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Are Jews smarter?

New Genoa
25-02-2007, 07:17
yes because of kosher stuff
Antebellum South
25-02-2007, 07:18
Are Jews smarter than the rest of humanity? Why are there so many Nobel prize-winning Jews? Is this genetic?
Pyotr
25-02-2007, 07:19
No, race as a scientific construct does not exist.
Infinite Revolution
25-02-2007, 07:22
they're not even a race. an 'ethnic' group at most. and by no means a homogenous group. no, people who follow jewish traditions are no more intelligent than any other group.
Good Lifes
25-02-2007, 07:23
Jews have a culture in which education is valued. As a percent of their population, they attend university and get advanced degrees in greater numbers than others. This puts them in position to lead industries and science.
Pepe Dominguez
25-02-2007, 07:25
I went to a mostly-Jewish high school.. I didn't see any evidence of Jews being any brighter, on average, than anyone else.
Jannteuvvel
25-02-2007, 07:35
I went to a mostly-Jewish high school.. I didn't see any evidence of Jews being any brighter, on average, than anyone else.

Same here. I'm half Jewish myself and find I'm still pretty damn stupid.
Appledore
25-02-2007, 07:37
There is a significant Jewish population at my school, and they seem to have more or less the same intelligence as the rest of the student body.
IDF
25-02-2007, 07:46
We aren't more intelligent. I would say though that our culture embodies the value of an education within us. There is also the fact that when you are younger, it helps to have your parents involved in your education.

Having overbearing mothers who ground you if you get a B (really happened to me) forces you to apply yourself and get straight As. It does help though. If it weren't for that growing up, I don't think I would be organized enough with my time to do well in Purdue Engineering and have a social life on top of it.

That could be a contributor to why 1 out of 7 Nobel prize winners are Jews while only 1 out of 500 people on the planet are Jews.
Kyronea
25-02-2007, 07:47
Are Jews smarter than the rest of humanity? Why are there so many Nobel prize-winning Jews? Is this genetic?

Nah. As stated, it's just the Jewish culture that prizes education and thus leads to a greater number of Jews possessing the highest education. It'd be nice if more cultures prized education...
Mikesburg
25-02-2007, 07:53
Smart + Science = Jew.

It's basic math. What's the big deal?
Pepe Dominguez
25-02-2007, 07:54
they're not even a race. an 'ethnic' group at most. and by no means a homogenous group. no, people who follow jewish traditions are no more intelligent than any other group.

Very true. Most of the Jews I've known are Russian or Dutch, usually relatively-recent (past hundred years or so) converts.
The Jade Star
25-02-2007, 07:59
Of course Jews are smarter than everybody else.
How the hell do you think theyve managed to run the world for the last 2,000 years?

Honestly, some people. Seessh.
Neesika
25-02-2007, 08:01
They like kinky sex. That's definately a sign of intelligence.
IDF
25-02-2007, 08:03
This thread reminds me of the Family Guy episode "When you Wish Upon a Weinstein." Peter tries to get Chris to become a Jew so his math grades will improve.
Mikesburg
25-02-2007, 08:04
They like kinky sex. That's definately a sign of intelligence.

kinky sex = smart? Is it because the basic grind is too mundane for the sexual intellectual?
The Jade Star
25-02-2007, 08:04
They like kinky sex. That's definately a sign of intelligence.

Alright, so heres my list so far:

Why Jews are Smarter than Everybody Else:

1. Klonor
2. World Domination
3. Kinky sex

Anything else?
Mentholyptus
25-02-2007, 08:07
Alright, so heres my list so far:

Why Jews are Smarter than Everybody Else:

1. Klonor
2. World Domination
3. Kinky sex

Anything else?

Yeah, they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. :D
The Jade Star
25-02-2007, 08:08
Yeah, they vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. :D

Alright, so...

1. Klonor
2. World Domination
3. Kinky sex
4. Vote for Democrats
CthulhuFhtagn
25-02-2007, 08:10
Ooh, they have additional brains in their noses. Or something. I'm not very good with stereotypes.
Dobbsworld
25-02-2007, 08:11
Alright, so heres my list so far:

Why Jews are Smarter than Everybody Else:

1. Klonor
2. World Domination
3. Kinky sex

Anything else?

Okay, because they're as stereotypically mean with their money as a broad cariacture of a Scotsman on holiday.

http://www.snow-forecast.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10942/normal_banff001.jpg
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 08:12
We aren't more intelligent. I would say though that our culture embodies the value of an education within us. There is also the fact that when you are younger, it helps to have your parents involved in your education.

Having overbearing mothers who ground you if you get a B (really happened to me) forces you to apply yourself and get straight As. It does help though. If it weren't for that growing up, I don't think I would be organized enough with my time to do well in Purdue Engineering and have a social life on top of it.

That could be a contributor to why 1 out of 7 Nobel prize winners are Jews while only 1 out of 500 people on the planet are Jews.


I don't know if overbearing mothers have anything to do with it, but i would put my jewish money ( 300 NIS remained from last trip to the Holy Land ) on the fact that the Jewish culture has had a higher respect and value for education for longer than almost any other western culture.


to quote from a Romanian Jewish writer of the 20th century
" you know how it is with us, girls- let's say a family has 20 members. Each one of them has a little gescheft, a small business, they work, they make money, they lose money, they wear old clothes on weekdays.... do you know why?

So that one of their family, the best their blood has to offer, can study in peace and become a rabbi."
The Jade Star
25-02-2007, 08:13
Alright...

1. Klonor
2. World domination
3. Kinky sex
4. Vote for democrats
5. Additional brains in their large noses
6. Moneywhoring penny pinchers

(And the Scottish holiday stereotype is at least partially true. I know from firsthand experience >_>)
The Scandinvans
25-02-2007, 08:26
To give a correct spectrum of the Jewish mind set would be that they are no smarter then me or you. This is due to the fact that I have met some damn stupid people of Jewish religion. Added the genetic sequneces nesscary to create superior intelligence have not been stressed enough in the century in which they were on rather equal ground. Also, to understand the enviromental stress has not been high enough to create stronger genetic traits of intelligence. Due to this the only real answer to this is a cultural one to which they have a higher emphasis of religion.

As for the Nobel prize statements, Jewish people are represented highly due to the fact that they are more strongly represented in those fields.
The Scandinvans
25-02-2007, 08:28
I don't know if overbearing mothers have anything to do with it, but i would put my jewish money ( 300 NIS remained from last trip to the Holy Land ) on the fact that the Jewish culture has had a higher respect and value for education for longer than almost any other western culture.You are wrong as before them the Greeks had a stronger value of education in the forms of innovation and general technological advancement.
IDF
25-02-2007, 08:33
I don't know if overbearing mothers have anything to do with it, but i would put my jewish money ( 300 NIS remained from last trip to the Holy Land ) on the fact that the Jewish culture has had a higher respect and value for education for longer than almost any other western culture.



I think that overbearing mothers are born out of the value we place on education. They know that if they breath down our necks that we will apply ourselves in our schoolwork. It definitely worked for me when a B in English meant no TV for a week.

When you're away at college, it's worse. My mom isn't breathing down my neck. She instead resorts to guilt trips (a Jewish mother's secret weapon). She will make me feel guilty if I get anything below a B in Thermo or Statics.
The Scandinvans
25-02-2007, 08:36
I think that overbearing mothers are born out of the value we place on education. They know that if they breath down our necks that we will apply ourselves in our schoolwork. It definitely worked for me when a B in English meant no TV for a week.

When you're away at college, it's worse. My mom isn't breathing down my neck. She instead resorts to guilt trips (a Jewish mother's secret weapon). She will make me feel guilty if I get anything below a B in Thermo or Statics.You have it easy if I get anything below a 87% I get beaten with oranges.;)
Otares
25-02-2007, 08:42
You are wrong as before them the Greeks had a stronger value of education in the forms of innovation and general technological advancement.

Yeah some how I don’t think classical Athenians and Delphians would look down on the Christianized descendants of Macedonia and call it Greek.

Moreover I think you are proving the point. When Greek culture valued and revered philosophy and the sort they ruled the world (academically speaking). Later when the Arabic empires – many of whom preserved a lot of what we know about Greek culture – emphasized education and learning they were the centre of the world’s intellectual elite.

When the enlightenment hit France had some time in the sun et cetera. The fact that the stereotype of who is intelligent can change so fluently - relative to normalizing a genetic mutation into the population at large – would suggest that intelligence cannot be attributed to racial makeup, but to something more fluid. I think the only reason Judaism has been able to put out so many strong performers over the centuries is because the culture of teachers and scholars i.e. Rabbis has prevailed.

Which again draws an interesting question – which has been hinted at by some of the other posters: Judaism has always been able to produce learned individuals, but what do the Jews of today have to do with the original Semites who migrated from Egypt?
IDF
25-02-2007, 08:42
You have it easy if I get anything below a 87% I get beaten with oranges.;)

If I ever got below 80%, I bet my Mom would've cooked hard matzah balls and chucked them at me.:p
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 08:44
When you're away at college, it's worse. My mom isn't breathing down my neck. She instead resorts to guilt trips (a Jewish mother's secret weapon). She will make me feel guilty if I get anything below a B in Thermo or Statics.

Oh Dog, the guilt trips- Israel's national sport :)
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 08:47
You are wrong as before them the Greeks had a stronger value of education in the forms of innovation and general technological advancement.

Umm, two wrong things here:
1. Jewish civilization is somewhat longer than the greek one, although I said longer lasting not older
2. Remember that for the past 1500 years most of Europe has been under the Christianity veil of ignorance
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 08:55
Yeah some how I don’t think classical Athenians and Delphians would look down on the Christianized descendants of Macedonia and call it Greek.

Moreover I think you are proving the point. When Greek culture valued and revered philosophy and the sort they ruled the world (academically speaking). Later when the Arabic empires – many of whom preserved a lot of what we know about Greek culture – emphasized education and learning they were the centre of the world’s intellectual elite.

When the enlightenment hit France had some time in the sun et cetera. The fact that the stereotype of who is intelligent can change so fluently - relative to normalizing a genetic mutation into the population at large – would suggest that intelligence cannot be attributed to racial makeup, but to something more fluid. I think the only reason Judaism has been able to put out so many strong performers over the centuries is because the culture of teachers and scholars i.e. Rabbis has prevailed.

Which again draws an interesting question – which has been hinted at by some of the other posters: Judaism has always been able to produce learned individuals, but what do the Jews of today have to do with the original Semites who migrated from Egypt?

I said longer lasting. Not older. That hard for you people to read>
Soviet Haaregrad
25-02-2007, 09:05
Ooh, they have additional brains in their noses. Or something. I'm not very good with stereotypes.

It's actually just for increased cooling, they're overclocked.
Terrorist Cakes
25-02-2007, 09:22
They have special Jew powers, that's for sure. How else would someone like Mandy Patinkin ever exist? He's too amazing to be a mere mortal.
Otares
25-02-2007, 10:10
I said longer lasting. Not older. That hard for you people to read>

It must be, and I would suggest that the problem is communicable as you yourself seem to be exhibiting symptoms.

I suggested that Greek culture didn’t really follow through from its origins – whereas Jewish culture did. This would support your claim of ‘longer’.

I was responding to the person who had responded to you. I had worded the statement to give them the benefit of the doubt. That benefit being that he was asserting a continued Greek culture, this would’ve made the discourse flow naturally. I responded that intervening factors effectively ended the Greek’s preoccupation with education. Interestingly enough five minutes later you made the same reference to Christianity.

In the future I would appreciate the same courtesy and benefit of the doubt extended to me before you feel the need to question my reading comprehension.
Seathornia
25-02-2007, 10:16
There is a significant Jewish population at my school, and they seem to have more or less the same intelligence as the rest of the student body.

I think this says it all. That significant population is probably the reason why the Jews tend to get the bright ones. If more study, as this quote would imply, then more are, proportionally, going to get awards and such.

And as the rest of the quote says - They're not smarter. But there's more of them. So imagine if the entire world got an education :o
Seathornia
25-02-2007, 10:19
It's actually just for increased cooling, they're overclocked.

Is it to breathe in more nitrogen, because they were created before the creation of liquid nitrogen and thus need additional resources? :o
United Beleriand
25-02-2007, 12:25
1. Jewish civilization is somewhat longer than the greek one, although I said longer lasting not olderWhat Jewish civilization? You mean what Jews (poorly) copied from the real civilizations.
2. Remember that for the past 1500 years most of Europe has been under the Christianity veil of ignoranceWell, but Jewish ignorance is nevertheless older than any Christian thing could be. And Jews today believe in the same crap that Jews believed in 2300 years ago.
Vault 10
25-02-2007, 13:05
You are wrong as before them the Greeks had a stronger value of education in the forms of innovation and general technological advancement.
I wonder: how much do they intersect?

Modern Greeks have nothing to do with people from the Ancient Greece; the same with Roman Empire and Italians, with modern and ancient Egypt. Populations have totally changed times and times again.

And jews, as a whole, are hardly a nationality. There are white jews, arabic jews, even black jews.
From the Torah, one can see that the Jews didn't appear as a whole. The Jewish tribes were constantly absorbing others along the way, like with Levis. And the Jewish Culture, as stereotypically known today by Israel, for most of the history barely existed: the Hebrew language was long dead and had to be reinvented.
Normally, not counting the Zionist movement, Jews dissolve among the country, and the vast majority of them aren't religious at all. Many don't even know they are Jews (and others don't consider them as Jews as well) until they become famous, at which point their ancestors are reviewed better and a Jew is found among them.

So what? Well, just a few facts, not more. Maybe thinking of Jews as a nationality is wrong, and as a subculture more correct.
Neerlandije
25-02-2007, 13:09
Jews are really smarter. And you know why? It's very simple, because over the past 2,000 years they have been a minority, anywhere in the world. As a consequence of this, they had to work and studie harder, in order to be fully accepted. Also, since the migrated a lot (when they got kicked out of one country), they went to another and had to start over again.

Other factors are the fact of speaking several languages and knowing more than just one culture, which stimulates the brain and leads to an increase in IQ of 5 point or so.

Besides making a big effort to be succesful in christian or moslem dominated societies, they had to study hard to preserve their own cultural and religious heritage.

They had a lot of international contacts and networks with other jews, with whom they exchanged information, knowledge.

The same might be true for many minorities like the Chinese in SE Asia f.i.

(Becoming a majority in Palestine (by etnically cleansing), surrounded by hostile peoples, might prove not to B so intelligent afterall.)

O yeah, by the way, I admit there are many well-educated jews, but we're talking about a minority. Most Jews have been poorer and less educated than the average in christian Europe, let's not forget.

Bye,


Baldrick the Redeemer.
The Fleeing Oppressed
25-02-2007, 13:18
A smart group of people doesn't kill lots of people, and have lots of their own people killed, to claim a land an old book told them was there's, even though they hadn't owned it for well over 1500 years.

Therefore Jews not smart.:p
Vault 10
25-02-2007, 13:21
A smart group of people doesn't kill lots of people, and have lots of their own people killed, to claim a land an old book told them was there's, even though they hadn't owned it for well over 1500 years.

There are clowns in every group of people. Among Jews, they call themselves Zionists.

Aggressive clowns, unfortunately, but that's common to all religions except for far-Eastern.
Kormanthor
25-02-2007, 13:53
No
Soluis
25-02-2007, 14:26
I have read that Ashkenazi Jews have been "selectively bred" (not formally, but were put through the wringer to such an end) in Eastern Europe to be good at traditionally "smart" things, which explains the whole finance and banking stereotype. As for the other Jews, don't know.

So basically, racism created a more intelligent race. Following on from this, affirmative action may well bring about the return of slavery in America.
Kryozerkia
25-02-2007, 14:33
Jews in general are not smarter than anyone else, though there are exceptions when it comes to those cases of true intelligence that can happen for any race.
Farmina
25-02-2007, 14:36
The smarter the Jew, the more likely they were to survive a pogrom. Perhaps its a case of unnatural selection that has been limited to the Jews.
Aleshia
25-02-2007, 14:43
Don't think intrinsically smarter maybe however an argument that they may be better educated as many exile populations are.

Palestiniain friends often say to me that they would not invest in bricks, mortar or material things as these could not be taken back to Palestine however investing in knowledge would help them to rebuild their homes, community and nation.
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 14:51
Normally, not counting the Zionist movement, Jews dissolve among the country, and the vast majority of them aren't religious at all. Many don't even know they are Jews (and others don't consider them as Jews as well) until they become famous, at which point their ancestors are reviewed better and a Jew is found among them.

So what? Well, just a few facts, not more. Maybe thinking of Jews as a nationality is wrong, and as a subculture more correct.


actually, the phenomenon of the non religious Jew is a very new one historically. New enough for it to not be as of yet socially or even genetically relevant.


Second, you obviously know little about Jews... we rarely mix. You might need to remember that we were one of the most oppressed minorities for well over 1800 years as far as Europe is concerned, with only the Roma surpassing us... and they don't like mixing either.
Vault 10
25-02-2007, 15:03
Nope. It isn't new. It is as old as atheism itself, and it were Jews who created it as a popularized concept.

The Jews in other religions have existed for as long as these religions and Jews.

There's a lot of pure and more often part-blood Jews who don't care much about Israel, Judaism or the rest. People don't even know they are Jews, and sometimes they don't know too. I have reasons to suspect I might be one of them, but I don't care anyway so don't bother checking.
They aren't regarded as Jews by the judaist part, and sometimes rejected by them. Yet specifically these irreligious Jews are the ones who win the prizes in science and technology, and create the fame for the Jews as a whole. Not Zionists and Hassids. Of course, once they become famous, they become regarded by the judaist/zionist crowd as Jews.
Ifreann
25-02-2007, 15:10
It's part of their global domination conspiracy. They aren't really spamrter, they're just fixing it so they look smarter, and thus we'll be more willing to obey them when the time comes.





Duh. :rolleyes:
IL Ruffino
25-02-2007, 15:13
Yes, and sexier.
Shreetolv
25-02-2007, 15:24
Nope. It isn't new. It is as old as atheism itself, and it were Jews who created it as a popularized concept.

aside from that being an antisemitic myth ( protocols, anyone?), do you ahve anything to back it up?

The Jews in other religions have existed for as long as these religions and Jews.

see above

There's a lot of pure and more often part-blood Jews who don't care much about Israel, Judaism or the rest. People don't even know they are Jews, and sometimes they don't know too. I have reasons to suspect I might be one of them, but I don't care anyway so don't bother checking.

anecdote...
They aren't regarded as Jews by the judaist part, and sometimes rejected by them. Yet specifically these irreligious Jews are the ones who win the prizes in science and technology, and create the fame for the Jews as a whole. Not Zionists and Hassids. Of course, once they become famous, they become regarded by the judaist/zionist crowd as Jews.

you need to be explained the difference between Ethnically Jew and Religious Jew
Vault 10
25-02-2007, 15:35
you need to be explained the difference between Ethnically Jew and Religious Jew
Nope. In fact, I've just explained it in that post.

Religious Jews are the clowns in Israel and around the world following their religion and shouting about the Jewish Supremacy.

Ethnical, but irreligious Jews are the ones winning prizes in science and creating the fame for the Jews. Well, not all of them are pure ethnical Jews, most are half-blood, quarter-blood or sixteenth-blood, but Religious Jews count them as their Jews once they become famous. Not before, of course, they don't count towards the total Jewish population.
LiberationFrequency
25-02-2007, 15:40
Religious Jews are the clowns in Israel and around the world following their religion and shouting about the Jewish Supremacy.



I haven't heard this so they obviously arn't shouting loud enough.
Vault 10
25-02-2007, 15:50
I haven't heard this
You mean you haven't read this thread?
Cybach
25-02-2007, 16:00
Obviously it must be their gigantic crooked noses and hunchbacks that somehow increase their mental abilities! ,............na.

I however came to an even more plausible explanation. Of the jews who were nobel prize winners. I would say almost all if not all were Ashkenazi jews. Note the ashke"nazi", this apparently means Hitler had it all wrong, or at least only halfright. The european jews, or ashkenazi jews are obviously the herrenrasse as their nobel prize collecting shows. While Sephardic jews on the other hand are the untermensch, and white people are somewhere in the middle. BTW, it is also ashkenazi jews that control the world obviously!




















Anyone who took what I said seriously, is seriously disturbed and needs some .50 caliber aspirin for being too serious for this world.
LiberationFrequency
25-02-2007, 16:00
You mean you haven't read this thread?

I have and no where does it claim that. A few people have said that Jewish culture has a greater focus on education but no one has said they are superior.
Northern Borders
25-02-2007, 16:12
Natural selection.

All the dumb jews died 65 years ago.
IDF
25-02-2007, 16:17
What Jewish civilization? You mean what Jews (poorly) copied from the real civilizations.
Well, but Jewish ignorance is nevertheless older than any Christian thing could be. And Jews today believe in the same crap that Jews believed in 2300 years ago.
No, you're not anti-semitic at all:rolleyes:
Cybach
25-02-2007, 22:52
No, you're not anti-semitic at all:rolleyes:

He likes Arabs so I would say he is 50/50 anti-semitic. >_>
CthulhuFhtagn
25-02-2007, 23:03
You mean you haven't read this thread?

I would've thought that the "Jews have extra brains in their giant noses" bit would have revealed that we were joking.
Arinola
25-02-2007, 23:10
Jews aren't more or less intelligent than anyone else.
Greater Trostia
26-02-2007, 01:07
Are Jews smarter?
Are Asians smarter than Whites?
Are Whites smarter than Blacks?

Saying "Jews are superior in intelligence" is no less offensive than saying "Jews are less than human."
Arthais101
26-02-2007, 01:19
Are Jews smarter?
Are Asians smarter than Whites?
Are Whites smarter than Blacks?

Saying "Jews are superior in intelligence" is no less offensive than saying "Jews are less than human."

you have very strange standards of offense.
Greater Trostia
26-02-2007, 01:23
you have very strange standards of offense.

Racism is racism, whether it's the idea that my "race" is superintelligent or subhuman, it's offensive. I don't see what's so strange about it. One implies that Jews are inferior, the other that everyone but Jews are inferior.
Sel Appa
26-02-2007, 01:31
Jews FTW! Of course we are smarterrrrr!!!
Arthais101
26-02-2007, 01:32
Racism is racism, whether it's the idea that my "race" is superintelligent or subhuman, it's offensive. I don't see what's so strange about it. One implies that Jews are inferior, the other that everyone but Jews are inferior.

so, just for the hell of it, you argue that a group that is highly insular, doesn't generally breed out of that group, may have resulted in a higher intellect due purely to a genetic quirk that was neither generally spread to the wider population, nor lost through breeding outside of the group?

This is simply impossible?
Greater Trostia
26-02-2007, 01:37
so, just for the hell of it, you argue that a group that is highly insular, doesn't generally breed out of that group, may have resulted in a higher intellect due purely to a genetic quirk that was neither generally spread to the wider population, nor lost through breeding outside of the group?

This is simply impossible?

Oh hey, that's not impossible! Why, it's just as possible as the "genetic quirk" making them inferior to good Germans!

...
United Beleriand
26-02-2007, 01:47
you need to be explained the difference between Ethnically Jew and Religious Jewethnic jews were invented so that those non-believers in israel today could still count as jews.
other than that there has been no such thing as an ethnic jew. not even before the diaspora were jews a homogeneous ethnic group. jews have always been a mixture of all kinds of people, only related through their beliefs.
IDF
26-02-2007, 01:50
You mean you haven't read this thread?

I can't see a single Jew claiming to be superior here. The people making the claim on this thread are all gentiles.
Arthais101
26-02-2007, 01:52
Oh hey, that's not impossible! Why, it's just as possible as the "genetic quirk" making them inferior to good Germans!

...

certainly, a genetic condition in certain groups might make them on average less capable of something over others.

For instance, whites from western europe are generally inferior at fighting off malaria than blacks from africa.

Or have you never heard of sickle cell anemia? You know, the genetic far more common in blacks who are from, or originate from, Africa? You realize that those with sickle cell traits are far more capable of surviving malaria? It can in fact easily be argued that white western europeans are far worse at fighting malaria than black africans, on average.

oh, sorry, am I racist for pointing out that? Is it racist to believe that the ONLY difference between people, EVER, is skin color?

That's kind of stupid.

isolated groups develop different genetic variances. Just as people isolated in africa developed sickle cell traits where as people in europe, generally, did not. If those groups remain insular, those genetic traits may remain with the group. If it does not remain insular, those traits both get "spread out" to the general population, as well as not necessarily passed on to generations, and the trait either becomes mainstream, or fades away. Or becomes sporatic and not representative of any one group.

And if you don't think the jewish population, in whole, is not closed off enough to develop genetic differences that exist primarily with jews, I just have one thing to say.

Tay-Sachs.

You know, the disease that in the US, 99% or more of the carriers are Ashkenazi jews.

Now, I'm not saying that jews are either inferior, or superior. But to simply declare any suggestion in the slightest that a group MIGHT have certain advantages or disadvantages due to genetic differentials and isolated breeding as pure racism denies not only fact, but a fundamental understanding of genetics. I've provided you TWO examples of conditions that occur with MUCH higher frequencies in certain populations over others.

you refuse to admit that there might be a similar case with intellect?
CthulhuFhtagn
26-02-2007, 01:53
I can't see a single Jew claiming to be superior here. The people making the claim on this thread are all gentiles.

And they're all joking.
Rainbowwws
26-02-2007, 01:55
you have very strange standards of offense.

Whenever I want to insult a black guy I tell him he has a big penis
IDF
26-02-2007, 01:55
And they're all joking.

for the most part yes.

Hey, I wish we were genetically smarter. Then I wouldn't be bending over only to be anally violated by what is known as Purdue Engineering.
Greater Trostia
26-02-2007, 01:57
certainly, a genetic condition in certain groups might make them on average less capable of something over others.

For instance, whites from western europe are generally inferior at fighting off malaria than blacks from africa.

Or have you never heard of sickle cell anemia? You know, the genetic far more common in blacks who are from, or originate from, Africa? You realize that those with sickle cell traits are far more capable of surviving malaria? It can in fact easily be argued that white western europeans are far worse at fighting malaria than black africans, on average.

oh, sorry, am I racist for pointing out that? Is it racist to believe that the ONLY difference between people, EVER, is skin color?

Sickle cell anemia is different from intelligence. There is no universally agreed upon scientific way to even quantify "intelligence." It's a concept much like "superiority."

And why don't you apply your genetic bullshit to me. An ancestor of mine converted to Judaism so I am technically a Jew. You going to tell me I am smarter because of genetics resulting from that? Oh I'm sorry, you thought Judaism was a race. Well, that's kind of stupid.


isolated groups develop different genetic variances. Just as people isolated in africa developed sickle cell traits where as people in europe, generally, did not. If those groups remain insular, those genetic traits may remain with the group. If it does not remain insular, those traits both get "spread out" to the general population, as well as not necessarily passed on to generations, and the trait either becomes mainstream, or fades away. Or becomes sporatic and not representative of any one group.

And if you don't think the jewish population, in whole, is not closed off enough to develop genetic differences that exist primarily with jews, I just have one thing to say.

Tay-Sachs.

You know, the disease that in the US, 99% or more of the carriers are Ashkenazi jews.

Oh, well. Since I'm Jewish, I'm superior. My intellect is superior to yours. So, I refute your argument by way of superior genetics. Also, genetics explains why so many Jews have political and economic influence in the US - it's all part of our racial supremacism plan. What, you don't think insular groups can dominate other, less genetically superior, groups? That's kind of stupid!
Arthais101
26-02-2007, 02:02
To clarify, all I'm saying is that different group develop different genetic characteristics. If those groups remain insular, those genetic characteristics may remain only with that group.

I provided two examples, both sickle cell anemia, highly disproportionatly prevelant amongs those of african decent, and Tay-Sachs, highly disproportionatly prevelant among jews.

Obviously certain genetic conditions exist in groups that do not breed outside much, and as such those conditions remain isolated.

I also don't think it at all impossible for a genetic differential to develop that might make a group smarter, or not as smart.

I'm not saying that this is the case, I'm saying that the recognition of it, the recognition of the POSSIBILITY is not racism, unless you want to say that the recognition of Tay-Sachs as predominantly affecting jews is racism.
Arthais101
26-02-2007, 02:05
Sickle cell anemia is different from intelligence. There is no universally agreed upon scientific way to even quantify "intelligence." It's a concept much like "superiority."

So you're saying that you deny the possibility that some genetic differential MIGHT make one group smarter than another? Just a possibility?

And why don't you apply your genetic bullshit to me. An ancestor of mine converted to Judaism so I am technically a Jew. You going to tell me I am smarter because of genetics resulting from that? Oh I'm sorry, you thought Judaism was a race. Well, that's kind of stupid.

A race? No, of course not. A population that is generally more insulare than the population at large? Yes.


Oh, well. Since I'm Jewish, I'm superior. My intellect is superior to yours. So, I refute your argument by way of superior genetics.

psssst, so am I.


Also, genetics explains why so many Jews have political and economic influence in the US -

it might well explain why 1 in 7 nobel prize winners are jews but jews only represent 1 in 500 of the population.

Or it might just be cultural. I'm saying only two things:

1) The presence of Tay-Sachs demonstrates that the jewish population, in general, is insular ENOUGH to have conditions existing primarily only with it

2) it's possible that genetic differential can result in higher intelligence
Federation Armies
26-02-2007, 02:19
Not to sound raceist or anything but they were'nt too smart when Hitler got at them ROFL:mp5:
Zhidkoye Solntsye
26-02-2007, 02:24
Tay-Sachs.

You know, the disease that in the US, 99% or more of the carriers are Ashkenazi jews.



I read an article in the science section of the economist that claimed that Jews do in fact statistically speaking have slightly higher IQs on average, and theorised that it was the same genetics that causes vulnerability to Tay-Sachs that increases IQ.

With the racism thing, surely the point is it isn't racist to say a group is on AVERAGE more or less intelligent, as long you still believe in treating all people as individuals irrespective of their race.
CthulhuFhtagn
26-02-2007, 02:25
I read an article in the science section of the economist that claimed that Jews do in fact statistically speaking have slightly higher IQs on average, and theorised that it was the same genetics that causes vulnerability to Tay-Sachs that increases IQ.


That "study" has been debunked so many times it isn't even funny.
Posi
26-02-2007, 02:34
It's because they keep kosher. Don't you know that mixing meat and milk makes you stupid?
IDF
26-02-2007, 02:38
It's because they keep kosher. Don't you know that mixing meat and milk makes you stupid?

Let's not forget eating pork.:p
Posi
26-02-2007, 02:41
Let's not forget eating pork.:p
*hits forehead with palm in a manner indicative of failure and/or disappointment*
Johnny B Goode
26-02-2007, 02:42
Are Jews smarter than the rest of humanity? Why are there so many Nobel prize-winning Jews? Is this genetic?

Uh...what the fuck?
Rainbowwws
26-02-2007, 02:45
Uh...what the fuck?

Yeah really. I genetically inherited this nobel prize. Most people have to do something amazing for it. I was just born with it. Lucky me.
Soviestan
26-02-2007, 03:12
A big fat NO!
Andaluciae
26-02-2007, 03:14
Through the beginning and middle of the twentieth century a certain subculture in central Europe managed to develop a group of extremely well educated people, mainly because of instilled cultural values. The Ashkenazi Jews had cultural characteristics that led to a uniquely well educated bunch of folks. The phenomenon is no longer as prevalent, after the cultural line was broken by the holocaust.
Otares
26-02-2007, 07:20
I think what was suggested by the refuting of intelligence as a hereditary trait was that intelligence is too broad to point at genetics. Lets start taking our William Shakespeares and stacking them against our Immanuel Kants. How can we decide whether Fermi or Einstein is more intelligent? Is mathematics or humanities a better test for intelligence?

What is the basis of your argument? Right now it seems like you are posting that there is a genetic mutation for ‘intelligence’ which must be both incongruent and racist. If you were to suggest that perhaps there is a genetic mutation which, due to insular breeding and the other reasons listed above, gave one genetic group a better spatial acuity - or other left brain functions – a better than average performance it might be justified. You would then have to show how this genetic aptitude might skew our definition of intelligence. I for example am able to be very analytical when I need to be. Whenever I take standardized testing this gives me an advantage over my partner. As such I consistently scored higher these types of tests throughout university. That said my partner'sability to interact with others makes my own social relations seem laughable and shallow in contrast. I strife under authority where they can create bridges, I become frustrated with others incomprehension while they make others gracious learners. So who is to say which of us is more intelligent?

If you would permit me an allegory what would you say if I suggested that – for the reasons listed above – the Japanese were more violent than other races, the blacks more stupid, the white more gluttonous et cetera? The problem with using the word intelligent is the connotation attached to it. If you want to continue to suggest that intelligence can be altered by genetic predisposition than I would suggest that you would need to start to show a very succinct definition of intelligence. You would then need to be very particular in showing what exactly it is that COULD be genetically predisposing people towards said intelligence. I am fairly certain that – for example - my immunological responses do not determine my ability to perform to society’s expectations of personality. If you would like to suggest other examples of hereditary: height, proportion, bone density, eye colours, skin colours, hair colours, and other things which could generally be explained in the context of geography and natural selection I – and I think others – would probably give you heed. The idea that the mating habits of my ancestors somehow prepared me to be declared intelligent by a definition they had no conception of is however harder.
The Scandinvans
26-02-2007, 07:26
Or have you never heard of sickle cell anemia? You know, the genetic far more common in blacks who are from, or originate from, Africa? You realize that those with sickle cell traits are far more capable of surviving malaria? It can in fact easily be argued that white western europeans are far worse at fighting malaria than black africans, on average.Yet, we Europeans have Delta-32, well at least me, that makes us immune to HIV/AIDs and the Black Death.;)