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1: Is 6 Space Marine Battlebarges and an unidentified amount of frigates a large force?
2 Grey Knight Battlebarges and 4 Dark Angel Battlebarges

2: Is the aforementioned 6 Battlebarges a reasonable response to fight 2 Styx Class Heavy Cruisers, a Murder Class Cruiser and a Carnage Class Cruiser and 9-12 escorts?

3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?

4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?

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Allright, I have had an arguement, etc. yadda yadda and I want this straightened out with outside information. PLEASE, if you know 40K info to a good degree respond. Like Chronosia >_>

1: Is 6 Space Marine Battlebarges and an unidentified amount of frigates a large force?
2 Grey Knight Battlebarges and 4 Dark Angel Battlebarges
Yes. That's a freaking huge force. An entire Space Marine Chapter has, at most, 3 Battle Barges.

2: Is the aforementioned 6 Battlebarges a reasonable response to fight 2 Styx Class Heavy Cruisers, a Murder Class Cruiser and a Carnage Class Cruiser and 9-12 escorts?
No. The Styx Cruisers are the heaviest ships in that fleet, and all they have is two Assault Craft bays and two rows of lances. Battle Barges are among the most powerful ships in the 40K universe.

The Battle Barges aren't a reasonable response, they're overkill.

3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?
Very. I don't know the specifics, though.

4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?
No. The entire chapter would have, at most, 3 Battle Barges.

No. The entire chapter would have, at most, 3 Battle Barges.

As the DA are a space based chapter they may well have more than the usual amount, however most of a chapters fleet is made up of stike cruisers.

3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?

Very, if you have ever read the Ravenor novels, Revenor is a gamma or delta. and alpha grade psykers are almost god like in their power so Beta level ones would be some were in between.

EDIT:On further research, in Dan Abnett's Sabbat Martryr, Agun Soric was a beta level psyker. While not powerful in the usual sence of the word he could fortell the future passively.

4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?

That would be over kill, even for the DA, they would turn up with something faster so possiblely a strike cruiser and assorted escorts.

BFG never was my thing, and thus in terms of rules, I can't really say. However, as for hunting the fallen, I would first doubt that the Dark Angels could actually muster four battle barges for one operation, given their reduction to a chapter, but, were there a large concentration of fallen, I should imagine they would do anything to combat them.

Incidentally, how fucking good are the Horus Heresy novels?

Incidentally, how fucking good are the Horus Heresy novels?

I have yet to start them, I've been getting up to date on my Gaunts Ghosts, but I have been told they're good.

I have yet to start them, I've been getting up to date on my Gaunts Ghosts, but I have been told they're good.

Absolutely superb. I've just finished "False Gods" (the second book of the series), and the revelations regarding the Emperor, and the exploration of Horus' motivation, are excellent.

Allright, I have had an arguement, etc. yadda yadda and I want this straightened out with outside information. PLEASE, if you know 40K info to a good degree respond. Like Chronosia >_>

1: Is 6 Space Marine Battlebarges and an unidentified amount of frigates a large force?
2 Grey Knight Battlebarges and 4 Dark Angel Battlebarges
Like others have stated - it's a huge force!!!
2: Is the aforementioned 6 Battlebarges a reasonable response to fight 2 Styx Class Heavy Cruisers, a Murder Class Cruiser and a Carnage Class Cruiser and 9-12 escorts?
If you want to dispose of them very quickly, then yes - although I doubt that the Imperium would muster such an overkill-force to deal with a relatively minor threat.
3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?
Sorry, no idea!
4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?
Most probably not - but I'd say it all depends on many fallen they're after and what kind of equipment or allies they have.
Again, very overkilly... :D
Yes. That's a freaking huge force. An entire Space Marine Chapter has, at most, 3 Battle Barges.
That would depend on the chapter, too, I would say.
I know that the Space Wolves have one Battle Barge or Strike Cruiser for each of their 12 great companies, usually "aquired" from former enemies and put into good use in the Emperor's name.
But Battle Barges are very old in design and I don't think the Imperium still produces new ones.
No. The Styx Cruisers are the heaviest ships in that fleet, and all they have is two Assault Craft bays and two rows of lances. Battle Barges are among the most powerful ships in the 40K universe.
Yup, as well as amongst the oldest.
The Battle Barges aren't a reasonable response, they're overkill.
Maybe he's looking for exactly that?
No. The entire chapter would have, at most, 3 Battle Barges.
Do you have a fluff-link for that? (I love fluff!) Besides, don't you think that a chapter like the Ultramarines might have more? (Those silly fellows. Oh, look, we follow the codex... Look how shiny my badges are... Pah!)
BFG never was my thing, and thus in terms of rules, I can't really say. However, as for hunting the fallen, I would first doubt that the Dark Angels could actually muster four battle barges for one operation, given their reduction to a chapter, but, were there a large concentration of fallen, I should imagine they would do anything to combat them.
Dark Angels... can't trust'em! You turn your back to them and they hit you in the head...
One way around the limitations of having to deal with "only" one chapter could be to bring Dark Angel successor chapters into the play, for they usually hunt for the Fallen as well and are very alike in structure and purpose.
Incidentally, how fucking good are the Horus Heresy novels?
Absofuckinglutely awesome, man! Be warned - once you start them, you might as well take a vacation to only read. :p I enjoyed them greatly!
Absolutely superb. I've just finished "False Gods" (the second book of the series), and the revelations regarding the Emperor, and the exploration of Horus' motivation, are excellent.
You will probably enjoy Galaxy In Flames then, too. The battle on Isstvan III is just insane!
I can't wait for The Flight Of Eisenstein to be published!

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/ImperialEagleRotating.gif

I can't wait for The Flight Of Eisenstein to be published!

hehehe I know some people who have already read it and I can spoil it for you if you want. :D

hehehe I know some people who have already read it and I can spoil it for you if you want. :D
You would make an excellent dishwashing and dustcleaning servitor... :D

1: Is 6 Space Marine Battlebarges and an unidentified amount of frigates a large force?
2 Grey Knight Battlebarges and 4 Dark Angel Battlebarges


That's huge. Like, massive.

2: Is the aforementioned 6 Battlebarges a reasonable response to fight 2 Styx Class Heavy Cruisers, a Murder Class Cruiser and a Carnage Class Cruiser and 9-12 escorts?
It's a massive over-response. Like, uber pwnage overkill sort of response - the best ship there, apart from the Battle Barges, is the Styx, and even that would be happily pwned by the Battle Barges.

3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?

From what I gather, you wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley. I.e. pretty damn powerful, though I'm not sure.

4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?

No, probably not. I don't think the DA would muster that much of a force, to be honest. Maybe 2 or 3, but not 4.

1: Is 6 Space Marine Battlebarges and an unidentified amount of frigates a large force?
2 Grey Knight Battlebarges and 4 Dark Angel Battlebarges
Far, far too much. They'd send out a Strike Cruiser with escorts for recce first.
2: Is the aforementioned 6 Battlebarges a reasonable response to fight 2 Styx Class Heavy Cruisers, a Murder Class Cruiser and a Carnage Class Cruiser and 9-12 escorts?
Far, far too much.

They'd probably send out about 4 Strike Cruisers with escorts, although if they had a Grey Knight Battlebarge, they might send that out as well for heavy support.
3: How powerful is a Beta level psyker?
Nary a clue.
4: In hunting for the Fallen, would the Dark Angels show up with 4 Battlebarges?
They'd muster everything they could if it was a large force, and seeing as they're a space-borne Chapter, it's possible (although not very possible, true) that they might have 4 battlebarges.

I'd think that they'd send 2 and a lot of Strike Cruisers myself, to stay safe, but it's possible they'd send everything they have - and that might be 4 battlebarges, aye.

Given that the Dark Angels dedicate much of their time to stopping anyone from finding out about the Fallen, is it really very likely that they'll invite the Grey Knights along?

I've not played much Gothic but you might want to try fighting the four Dark Angels barges against the chaos fleet plus Grey Knight barges (to represent the Fallen).

Given that the Dark Angels dedicate much of their time to stopping anyone from finding out about the Fallen, is it really very likely that they'll invite the Grey Knights along?
Indeed. They don't really ever work with the Inquisition, Ordos Xenos, or any of that stuff, so I see no reason why they'd work with the Grey Knights.

And if they found The Fallen they'd sure as hell be in two minds as to what to do - they'd annihilate the ships for sure, but what'd they do with the Grey Knights?

They certainly couldn't shoot them down, or The Rock would become The Pebbles unless they ran, forever, and essentially became, ironically, another Traitor force.
I've not played much Gothic but you might want to try fighting the four Dark Angels barges against the chaos fleet plus Grey Knight barges (to represent the Fallen).
They'd annihilate the crap out of them. One Battle Barge can take out basically any other ship in the blink of an eye. Shields, hull and all, if they hit.

Plus you'd never send Battle Barges out alone - that'd be like the Imperial Navy sending out a fleet comprised of Emperor-class battleships out. You'd want the escort cruisers around, and then frigates, too.

As the DA are a space based chapter they may well have more than the usual amount, however most of a chapters fleet is made up of stike cruisers.
Being a space-based chapter, they would have the maximum number: three. Other chapters would have two or one.
That would depend on the chapter, too, I would say.
I know that the Space Wolves have one Battle Barge or Strike Cruiser for each of their 12 great companies, usually "aquired" from former enemies and put into good use in the Emperor's name.
So, I'd say nine are strike cruisers and three are battle barges.
Anyways, Space Wolves definitely don't follow the Codex Astartes. They might be above the "up to 3" rule.
Do you have a fluff-link for that? (I love fluff!) Besides, don't you think that a chapter like the Ultramarines might have more? (Those silly fellows. Oh, look, we follow the codex... Look how shiny my badges are... Pah!)
Bah, dammit. The only official source I can find now says that "most chapters only have two or three" (Vessels of the Imperium PDF, see page 22 (http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/assets/lrb/A_ImperialVessels.pdf)
But it brings up another interesting point: you can only have one battlebarge per thousand points in a fleet. The fleet that the Horned Rat mentioned sounded like it couldn't support one, let alone six.

Where the hell did I read that rule? I know I did, somewhere... I swear!

Indeed. They don't really ever work with the Inquisition, Ordos Xenos, or any of that stuff, so I see no reason why they'd work with the Grey Knights.

Agreed, I'm pretty sure the Dark Angels codex included a special rule which forbade the use of 'outsiders' in a Dark Angels army.

And if they found The Fallen they'd sure as hell be in two minds as to what to do - they'd annihilate the ships for sure, but what'd they do with the Grey Knights?

They certainly couldn't shoot them down, or The Rock would become The Pebbles unless they ran, forever, and essentially became, ironically, another Traitor force.

:D

They'd annihilate the crap out of them. One Battle Barge can take out basically any other ship in the blink of an eye. Shields, hull and all, if they hit.

Plus you'd never send Battle Barges out alone - that'd be like the Imperial Navy sending out a fleet comprised of Emperor-class battleships out. You'd want the escort cruisers around, and then frigates, too.

My entire experience of BFG is from playing the trial version in White Dwarf (complete with cardboard-cutout ships :) ) so I don't know what I'm talking about.[/flees thread]

Indeed. They don't really ever work with the Inquisition, Ordos Xenos, or any of that stuff, so I see no reason why they'd work with the Grey Knights.
Wait! The Dark Angels don't contribute forces to the Deathwatch? That's new to me!
And if they found The Fallen they'd sure as hell be in two minds as to what to do - they'd annihilate the ships for sure, but what'd they do with the Grey Knights?
I think the Grey Knights are just stand-ins for the Fallen.

But if Grey Knights show up, there's not much you can do about it. Quite the contrary - when they have reason to show up, it usually means that your average Joe Space Marine can't deal with the problem at hand and will be more than happy to step aside and let them deal with the enemies.
Plus you'd never send Battle Barges out alone - that'd be like the Imperial Navy sending out a fleet comprised of Emperor-class battleships out. You'd want the escort cruisers around, and then frigates, too.
The latest Dawn Of War novel Tempest proves you wrong, though. There the Blood Ravens do indeed send out a single Battle Barge - because they lack the escort and support ships...
Being a space-based chapter, they would have the maximum number: three. Other chapters would have two or one.
So, I'd say nine are strike cruisers and three are battle barges.
Anyways, Space Wolves definitely don't follow the Codex Astartes. They might be above the "up to 3" rule.
Hehe. I love the Space Wolves. :D
Bah, dammit. The only official source I can find now says that "most chapters only have two or three" (Vessels of the Imperium PDF, see page 22 (http://www.specialist-games.com/battlefleetgothic/assets/lrb/A_ImperialVessels.pdf)
But it brings up another interesting point: you can only have one battlebarge per thousand points in a fleet. The fleet that the Horned Rat mentioned sounded like it couldn't support one, let alone six.
Where the hell did I read that rule? I know I did, somewhere... I swear!
Thanks for the link! I never really got into BFG and wouldn't know where to look for the rules. (Too bad that my PC just froze up when I opened the PDF - looks like I've opened one application too many for my little machine...)
The information about 1 BB per 1000P is on page 20 of the PDF you provided. ;)

Hehe. I love the Space Wolves. :D

Fetch boy *throws stick*

Thanks for the link! I never really got into BFG and wouldn't know where to look for the rules. (Too bad that my PC just froze up when I opened the PDF - looks like I've opened one application too many for my little machine...)

Mine did too.

Fetch boy *throws stick*
http://www.geocities.com/~pack215/wolf-growling195x250.jpg (http://www.searchingwolf.com/nkgrowl1.wav)

(Press picture to experience how much I like the idea of "fetching the stick")

http://www.geocities.com/~pack215/wolf-growling195x250.jpg (http://www.searchingwolf.com/nkgrowl1.wav)

(Press picture to experience how much I like the idea of "fetching the stick")

We can just argee to disagree Dark Angels for me and Space Wolves for you.

But you would make a good rug. :p

We can just argee to disagree Dark Angels for me and Space Wolves for you.
Sounds good.
But you would make a good rug. :p
Dark Angels, on the other hand, make lousy Space Marines - you never know when they turn traitor... :eek:;):D

Sounds good.

Dark Angels, on the other hand, make lousy Space Marines - you never know when they turn traitor... :eek:;):D

I prepose a truse, we should concentrate our efforts on the Ultramarines! :cool:

Those bossy boots don't know one end of a bolter from the other, they spend to much time with thier head up their arses.:eek:

I prepose a truse, we should concentrate our efforts on the Ultramarines! :cool:

Those bossy boots don't know one end of a bolter from the other, they spend to much time with thier head up their arses.:eek:
You mean you propose a truce, right? :p

I never understood why someone would want to associate themselves with a chapter like the Ultramarines, TBH.

You mean you propose a truce, right? :p

Thats it! I know I hadn't got it right. :)

I never understood why someone would want to associate themselves with a chapter like the Ultramarines, TBH.

Not when there are other chapters with much more history and charactor.

But I will admit that when I first started WH40K I did think of doing Ultramarines before I knew any better, luckly I choose Dark Angels.

Thats it! I know I hadn't got it right. :)

Not when there are other chapters with much more history and charactor.

But I will admit that when I first started WH40K I did think of doing Ultramarines before I knew any better, luckly I choose Dark Angels.
Well, you know that I don't consider that a better alternative. :p

Anyway, I'm still surprised that if you really want to go with a Codex chapter, why not make up your own?

I never really had much of a choice. Even before I knew what WH40K was all about, I fell in love with the Space Wolves' Iron Priest model, the first one I got in the spring of 1993 while in England.
After that, things developed beyond my immediate control and now I have way too many models to ever finish the paint job... I'm talking Great Companies here...

well I only really choose DA originally because I liked their colour scheme better than all the others. Now I'm loyal to them because I've colected them for so long. I did consider SW but my brother said he was going to get them (he hasn't yet).

And as for making my own I have always been one for a strong fluff background and I'm hopeless at making my own up.

I've reserved my copy of the new DA codex for next weekend and I can't wait!

...and now I have way too many models to ever finish the paint job... I'm talking Great Companies here...

I started my imperial guard force over 2 years ago and the first squad still isn't finished, my DA army always has priority. Currently working on some scouts.

You can see some of my work here (http://www.thewarp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2490).

*reserves judgement, being largely a Dark Eldar player*

*looks at above conversation*

Gooooo Carnifex! :D
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tyranids/carnifex/images/us-carnifex-2-6.gif

well I only really choose DA originally because I liked their colour scheme better than all the others. Now I'm loyal to them because I've colected them for so long. I did consider SW but my brother said he was going to get them (he hasn't yet).
He totally should!
And as for making my own I have always been one for a strong fluff background and I'm hopeless at making my own up.
I have more fluff and background for my Arctic Wolves than anything else...
I've reserved my copy of the new DA codex for next weekend and I can't wait!
I hope that the new SW codex won't consist of the old one with only 2 pages changed...
I started my imperial guard force over 2 years ago and the first squad still isn't finished, my DA army always has priority. Currently working on some scouts.
You can see some of my work here (http://www.thewarp.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2490).
Nice job!
*reserves judgement, being largely a Dark Eldar player*
*takes down name*
*looks at above conversation*
Gooooo Carnifex! :D
BUGS!
Aw no! Not again the bugs... ;)

Here's my half-finished Captain conversion:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/RaknufThunderaxe.jpg

Real terminator Armour for you German Nightmare


http://www.nimbacreations.com/Library/Terminator%20marine%20big.jpg

Well, you know that I don't consider that a better alternative. :p

Anyway, I'm still surprised that if you really want to go with a Codex chapter, why not make up your own?

I never really had much of a choice. Even before I knew what WH40K was all about, I fell in love with the Space Wolves' Iron Priest model, the first one I got in the spring of 1993 while in England.
After that, things developed beyond my immediate control and now I have way too many models to ever finish the paint job... I'm talking Great Companies here...

You're all losers here. By Raven Guard, or Night Lords, are far cooler....:D

Real terminator Armour for you German Nightmare
Dude, sweet! I'd totally go nuts over that one... :D

Which reminds me - I sent my little sister to the store (she lives closer to it) to get me a limited SM captain, and she decided that I might also like the new 4th edition rulebook [She's such a great sister!!!]. Next thing I know, she calls me up and asks whether I can borrow a car, because she got a life-sized cardboard Crimson Fist along with it. (She was the 2nd to enter the store that day and that's what you got in addition). Its two halves lean against the wall behind me - can't wait to finish university, move to another domicile and mount that sucker on a wall.

And because I didn't have much else to do, I also did a little photoshop tinkering with the sticker and put my head onto it:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/CrimsonFistNightmare.jpg (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/GermanNightmareCrimsonFistSpaceMari.jpg)
(Click to enlarge!)

BTW, I take it you're all familiar with Turnsignals on a Land Raider? (http://tsoalr.com/)

You're all losers here. By Raven Guard, or Night Lords, are far cooler....:D
By Russ - your spelling is bad! :D

Na, I'll stick to my crew.

Real terminator Armour for you German Nightmare


http://www.nimbacreations.com/Library/Terminator%20marine%20big.jpg

*drools*

Space Hulk was the best game ever. Well, board game, anyway.

I've yet to find a video game that supplants System Shock.

You're all losers here. By Raven Guard, or Night Lords, are far cooler...
I'd expect you to go with the Lamenters: the emo cousins of the Adeptus Astartes family.

BTW, I take it you're all familiar with Turnsignals on a Land Raider? (http://tsoalr.com/)

Just a bit. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEM!!!!

Wait! The Dark Angels don't contribute forces to the Deathwatch? That's new to me!
They don't contribute anything to anyone if they don't want to. They generally keep themselves to themselves as much as possible - they don't want or receive much help from the Inquisition, or any of that stuff. At all.
But if Grey Knights show up, there's not much you can do about it. Quite the contrary - when they have reason to show up, it usually means that your average Joe Space Marine can't deal with the problem at hand and will be more than happy to step aside and let them deal with the enemies.
... The Grey Knights turn up if there are demons all over the place and a heretical sect type affair going on, on an enormous scale.

They're not some kind of rapid deployment force sent to take out anyone that looks a bit tricky, for example - unless a Waaagh was commanded by a Greater Daemon who was gallivanting around summoning up his mates, they wouldn't get involved at all. Even if it was a trillion Orks strong - it's not their job.
The latest Dawn Of War novel Tempest proves you wrong, though. There the Blood Ravens to indeed send out a single Battle Barge - because they lack the escort and support ships...
2 things here -

1) Dawn of War breaks canon like Pete Doherty break the law
2) Well that's the clincher... they couldn't do anything else.

On the other hand, the Dark Angels live in space, and have factories building fleets. They're going to have more Strike Cruisers and escorts than you can shake a stick at, as well as a couple more Battle Barges than most chapters.

They don't contribute anything to anyone if they don't want to. They generally keep themselves to themselves as much as possible - they don't want or receive much help from the Inquisition, or any of that stuff. At all.
Contributing troops to the Deathwatch is an honor.
... The Grey Knights turn up if there are demons all over the place and a heretical sect type affair going on, on an enormous scale.

They're not some kind of rapid deployment force sent to take out anyone that looks a bit tricky, for example - unless a Waaagh was commanded by a Greater Daemon who was gallivanting around summoning up his mates, they wouldn't get involved at all. Even if it was a trillion Orks strong - it's not their job.
I've read the fluff and novels on Grey Knights as well. All I was saying is that when your average Joe Space Marine is fighting against whomever and Grey Knights show up, they don't show up for no reason and it's better to step aside since them showing up already means you couldn't make it on your own...
2 things here -

1) Dawn of War breaks canon like Pete Doherty break the law
2) Well that's the clincher... they couldn't do anything else.
The game might break canon for reasons of playability - not so sure about the novels.
On the other hand, the Dark Angels live in space, and have factories building fleets. They're going to have more Strike Cruisers and escorts than you can shake a stick at, as well as a couple more Battle Barges than most chapters.
Really now? And where do they get all the ressources from? It's not like the DAs have a ressourceful dominion like the UMs.

Blood Angels and Dark Angels are the ones i like

Real terminator Armour for you German NightmareLooks a lot like CGI to me :p

Anyway.. Why are Spacewolves always overpowered compared to other SM chapters? Granted, it's not a big deal in v.3 (unlike in previous editions), but why does GW keep doing it? Rabies, wolf fetish or what?

Looks a lot like CGI to me :p

Yeah I thought that, but I swear it's real. Here is a close up of the head it looks more real there.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Gauss_Flayer/termanator.jpg

Really now? And where do they get all the ressources from? It's not like the DAs have a ressourceful dominion like the UMs.

There is nothing stopping them from setting up astoroid mining bases or from just taking resources. Just because they don't have a set home or system doesn't stop them from doing anything.

But from what I understand most chapters don't make their equipment or ships, thats what forge worlds and asorted shipyards are for. I think that might be slightly different in a space based chapter but I don't really know.

Yeah I thought that, but I swear it's real. Here is a close up of the head it looks more real there.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Gauss_Flayer/termanator.jpg

look nice in Blood Red or Dark Green

look nice in Blood Red or Dark Green

Do you know nothing?!:eek:

Dark Angels terminators are a sort of bone colour.:p

Yeah I thought that, but I swear it's real.You know for a fact it's real? - It still looks like CGI or at the very least heavily photoshopped. Of course, it also looks fucking brilliant.There is nothing stopping them from setting up astoroid mining bases or from just taking resources. Just because they don't have a set home or system doesn't stop them from doing anything.According to RT supplemental fluff (the big compendium thing that I can't remember the name of right now), space based chapters are supplied by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Fluff changes though, so I don't realy know.But from what I understand most chapters don't make their equipment or ships, thats what forge worlds and asorted shipyards are for. I think that might be slightly different in a space based chapter but I don't really know.Again according to that compendium thing (now it's starting to bug me - what's that thing called?), non-space based chapters have their hardware supplied directly by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Everything else's taken care of by locals. If memory serves, the only official exception is the Spacewolves, where one of the duties of the wannabes (forgot what they're called too.. Damn my memory's shoddy today) is to supply the chapter.

Do you know nothing?!:eek:

Dark Angels terminators are a sort of bone colour.:p

try telling this lot :p
http://www.yossman.net/~realtime/wh40k/Dark_Angels_04.jpg

You know for a fact it's real? - It still looks like CGI or at the very least heavily photoshopped. Of course, it also looks fucking brilliant.

Yes, I think it was on display at GW HQ at one time. It's a proper suit, it was created for a small film which used to be shown in bugmans bar at the HQ.

There is even normal suits of space marine armour (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Gauss_Flayer/ultramarine2.jpg).

I believe they were also used for the small films in some of the early 40K games (like Final Liberation).

try telling this lot
http://www.yossman.net/~realtime/wh4..._Angels_04.jpg

Ah but they're not terminators. These (http://www.urfinjuice.ru/design/max/575.jpg) are.

since a battlebarge carries three companies of marines with extra space, and most chapters have 9 companies (10th being scouts and typically divided up) the maximum number of battlebarges they need is three, with perhaps one spare so they can have an alert/drydock refit rotation, but given the chapter will also have strike cruisers even that would probably be overkill for anyone with a vague adherence to codex as regards size, space marines are first and foremost ground forces and don't prioritise a space superiority force.

also my understanding is the space marines have a regular tithe from the imperium that ranges from grain to battleships. which is how they gather resources though the less codex they are the more autonomous they are likely to act.

There is even normal suits of space marine armour (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Gauss_Flayer/ultramarine2.jpg).

Imagine turning up to a fancy dress party in that!

Imagine turning up to a fancy dress party in that!

It'd be so cool, I'd want the full size storm bolter, that I remember seeing last time I went to GWHQ, to go with it though.

It'd be so cool, I'd want the full size storm bolter, that I remember seeing last time I went to GWHQ, to go with it though.

seen and hold one of those it was cool,now if someone can made a working life size of one these
http://www.buddyrockafeller.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/dreadnaught-front.jpg

Looks a lot like CGI to me :p
Nah - GW is crazy enough to produce those for real!
Anyway.. Why are Spacewolves always overpowered compared to other SM chapters? Granted, it's not a big deal in v.3 (unlike in previous editions), but why does GW keep doing it? Rabies, wolf fetish or what?
Because Space Wolves are the best Space Marine chapter there is.

Don't even try to dispute the Imperial Truth. :p

But it's not like the Wolves' 12 Great Companies include more SMs than, let's say, all those Black Templar Crusades... (Who keeps an eye on those guys anyway?)
But - they're Wolves, and that's all that counts!
There is nothing stopping them from setting up astoroid mining bases or from just taking resources. Just because they don't have a set home or system doesn't stop them from doing anything.
But from what I understand most chapters don't make their equipment or ships, thats what forge worlds and asorted shipyards are for. I think that might be slightly different in a space based chapter but I don't really know.
And what keeps a planet-based chapter from installing docks in orbit?!?
look nice in Blood Red or Dark Green
Pffft. You would not want to mess with a Space Wolf's suit of Terminator Armor!
You know for a fact it's real? - It still looks like CGI or at the very least heavily photoshopped. Of course, it also looks fucking brilliant.According to RT supplemental fluff (the big compendium thing that I can't remember the name of right now), space based chapters are supplied by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Fluff changes though, so I don't realy know.Again according to that compendium thing (now it's starting to bug me - what's that thing called?), non-space based chapters have their hardware supplied directly by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Everything else's taken care of by locals. If memory serves, the only official exception is the Spacewolves, where one of the duties of the wannabes (forgot what they're called too.. Damn my memory's shoddy today) is to supply the chapter.
They're called Chapterserfs - but they're not enslaved or failed Space Marines - they're those who live on the continent of Anaheim and have served alongside the Legion. Now they man the Fang, the ships, and also serve their lords as menial staff. Just like the population of the Ultramar segment serves the Funnymarines...
try telling this lot :p
http://www.yossman.net/~realtime/wh40k/Dark_Angels_04.jpg
Gah.
Yes, I think it was on display at GW HQ at one time. It's a proper suit, it was created for a small film which used to be shown in bugmans bar at the HQ.
There is even normal suits of space marine armour (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d98/Gauss_Flayer/ultramarine2.jpg).
That one looks ridiculously small if you compare it to, mmh, let's say, this one (http://static.flickr.com/50/135759310_c92ddae844.jpg)!
I believe they were also used for the small films in some of the early 40K games (like Final Liberation).
I want that commissar outfit from Final Liberation!
Imagine turning up to a fancy dress party in that!
Yeah. No way out, no place to piss. :D

And what keeps a planet-based chapter from installing docks in orbit?!?

Nothing, in fact they would have to.


That one looks ridiculously small if you compare it to, mmh, let's say, this one (http://static.flickr.com/50/135759310_c92ddae844.jpg)!

Ah but one is a full sized one and the other is one which you can accually wear without needing to become a superhuman.

Snip

it look just as good in red
http://www.zefigurines.net/photos/data/media/2/gmp2.jpg

Ah but one is a full sized one and the other is one which you can accually wear without needing to become a superhuman.
Yeah. And I've always cursed the day when I realized I was too old for the implants...
it look just as good in red
http://www.zefigurines.net/photos/data/media/2/gmp2.jpg
If you like vampires...

Yeah. And I've always cursed the day when I realized I was too old for the implants...

I know how you feel, I had always hoped we were a lost world in the Imperium and any second a battle barge could enter orbit any day. ;)

If you like vampires...

Well I've always prefered Vampires to Werewolves. :p

If you like vampires...

and werewolves

i guess its not that hard to make your own armor as this lot haves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HosVudcdTDQ

I know how you feel, I had always hoped we were a lost world in the Imperium and any second a battle barge could enter orbit any day. ;)
That'd surprise quite a lot of people. (There are stories where lost worlds have referred to themselves as "Terra" or "Earth", only to learn that they're not genuine.
Hope we are - 'cause otherwise...
Well I've always prefered Vampires to Werewolves. :p
With me, it's always been the other way around. :p

With me, it's always been the other way
around. :p

Just shows how twisted your mind is then. :D ;)

Just shows how twisted your mind is then. :D ;)
That it is. (Who told you?) :D

[I blame it on the curse of the Wulfen...]

That it is. (Who told you?) :D

[I blame it on the curse of the Wulfen...]

thats what they all say :p

Contributing troops to the Deathwatch is an honor.
And the Dark Angels want to keep themselves to themselves, so they're not so into that conventional honour business.
I've read the fluff and novels on Grey Knights as well. All I was saying is that when your average Joe Space Marine is fighting against whomever and Grey Knights show up, they don't show up for no reason and it's better to step aside since them showing up already means you couldn't make it on your own...
I still don't think it's "if a normal marine can't handle the situation". It's more "if there is a specific reason for them to be there". Ultramarines could handle a daemonic invasion, and their Librarians could keep it down, for sure, but the Grey Knights would probably turn up "just to make sure" and to stop the Marines doing anything untoward in the aftermath.
The game might break canon for reasons of playability - not so sure about the novels.
Think about this in real-world terms. Why on earth would you send out a flagship when you could get a patrol boat to do the same recce job?

It'd be an overinvestment in terms of resources, and would put a great amount of crew in danger to do the same job that could be done with a squadron of escort ships - which would lead to the loss of, at most, 6 or so marines (usually one per ship, they might put on an extra one for recce missions) instead of 300.
Really now? And where do they get all the ressources from? It's not like the DAs have a ressourceful dominion like the UMs.
... They fly about in a continent - they can get resources from that - as well as being able to take the resources of any planet they like due to the fact that nobody's going to do a damned thing about it.

Plus they do get resources from the Ministorium etc. like any other Chapter.

*drools*

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