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t to do not like the fact that cloning comes at the expense of someones life but look it counld at the expense at what? At the EXPENSE OF AN EMBILICAL CORD. But I do look at it like this it would help those people with some chronic disease such as possibly Cancer or even diabetes or any other Chronical Disease. It would give those with such diseases hope that some day there could Be a possible cure. I am myself suffer from Diabetes and I speak for thise who sit in my place.

You might want to edit your post here. Not precisely sure what you're trying to say.

I like this thread a lot.

You might want to edit your post here. Not precisely sure what you're trying to say.

Ditto. I have no idea what's going on here.

doesnt that depend on how the cloning is done?

if you clone just a pancreas from the cells of an umbilical cord, no problem.

if the cloning process involves creating an embryo that then grows to a certain size before whatever magic is involved in creating a new pancreas is performed, dont you run into the same problem that you have with embrionic stem cell cloning?

and by you i mean YOU since not everyone has a problem with embryonic stem cell research

I agree Ray. Stem-cell research should be carried forth and we should be able to clone embryonic stem-cells for medicinal purposes. Does that help clear things up for everyone?

I cannot understand why the life of an embryo would be more important than the life of a human being. Those who are against stem-cell research say that the embryo is sacred-a potential life. But in many parts of the world, mothers and babies die during childbirth, and it's all too common. So in fact, a fetus could be a potential life or a potential death.

And life would not be sacred if it were not for the possibility to improve its quality. And honestly, stem-cell research will make it so those who will probably not live long enough to reproduce may do so.

I urge any stem-cell research opposer to try refuting me.

doesnt that depend on how the cloning is done?

if you clone just a pancreas from the cells of an umbilical cord, no problem.

Technically, no cloning would be involved in that process. It would simply be a cell- or tissue therapy using adult stem cells (the cells from the umbilical cord). Of course, this assuming that we could actually get beta cells from stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood....

Scientifically, when we refer to cloning in cell- or tissue-based therapies, we are referring to a process in which DNA from a cell or a whole somatic cell is placed within an egg cell in which the genetic material has been removed. That egg cell is then stimulated to begin dividing. This cloning can either be for the purpose of obtaining embryonic stem cells or the resulting embryo can then be placed within a uterus and, if it implants, may grow into a new organism (reproductive cloning).

t to do not like the fact that cloning comes at the expense of someones life but look it counld at the expense at what? At the EXPENSE OF AN EMBILICAL CORD. But I do look at it like this it would help those people with some chronic disease such as possibly Cancer or even diabetes or any other Chronical Disease. It would give those with such diseases hope that some day there could Be a possible cure. I am myself suffer from Diabetes and I speak for thise who sit in my place.

Who gets killed in cloning? Also how is a clone going to cure your diabetes? Are they going to rip the pancreas out of your clone and stuff it into you? In that case you've got a point. Someone's being killed.

Ditto. I have no idea what's going on here.

It's about cloning *nods*

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Who gets killed in cloning? Also how is a clone going to cure your diabetes? Are they going to rip the pancreas out of your clone and stuff it into you?

I *think* he may be referring to therapeutic cloning. The idea behind that process would be that we could take a somatic cell from the person with diabetes, create a cloned embryo from it, obtain embryonic stem cells matching the patient's DNA, and then differentiate those cells into the proper cells to either grow a replacement pancreas or to replace the dead cells within the patient's pancreas.

Of course, in the case of Type I diabetes, we need to do further research into the mechanism of the disease before we could have any hope of a permanent therapy of this type. We need to know why the immune system kills off the beta cells, so we could prevent it from happening again.

It's about cloning *nods*

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As long as they don't try and clone LG we should be alright.

As long as they don't try and clone LG we should be alright.

Clown a clone? The results would be unthinkable!

...or was it the other way around?

Technically, no cloning would be involved in that process. It would simply be a cell- or tissue therapy using adult stem cells (the cells from the umbilical cord). Of course, this assuming that we could actually get beta cells from stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood....

Scientifically, when we refer to cloning in cell- or tissue-based therapies, we are referring to a process in which DNA from a cell or a whole somatic cell is placed within an egg cell in which the genetic material has been removed. That egg cell is then stimulated to begin dividing. This cloning can either be for the purpose of obtaining embryonic stem cells or the resulting embryo can then be placed within a uterus and, if it implants, may grow into a new organism (reproductive cloning).

i guess our OP is a hit and run poster only interested in spreading his opinion across the net.

IF (big if) a person is against embrionic cell research because of it killing an embryo is creating an embryo from...well whatever source...and killing it any different?

Why would you want to cure Diabeetus when you're relative to Wilford Brimly?

Also. (http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/garble.htm)

i guess our OP is a hit and run poster only interested in spreading his opinion across the net.

IF (big if) a person is against embrionic cell research because of it killing an embryo is creating an embryo from...well whatever source...and killing it any different?

It really depends. I have met a few people who were against research involving an embryo that actually came from fertilization - a sperm and an egg, but not opposed to research into therapeutic cloning. Apparently, from a religious point of view, they didn't think that the cloned embryo received a soul, and it was therefore ok to use it in research.

Personally, I don't see a problem with it either way, as long as those who donate the materials (whether it is sperm and egg or egg and somatic cell) are informed about the process, what it is being used for, and are not in any way coerced into it.

Who gets killed in cloning? Also how is a clone going to cure your diabetes? Are they going to rip the pancreas out of your clone and stuff it into you? In that case you've got a point. Someone's being killed.

Sounds like something from that movie The Island.

Anyone who wants to clone me gets no sympathy from me. Or me.

I agree, bananas are the sole source of diabetes in the modern world.

It really depends. I have met a few people who were against research involving an embryo that actually came from fertilization - a sperm and an egg, but not opposed to research into therapeutic cloning. Apparently, from a religious point of view, they didn't think that the cloned embryo received a soul, and it was therefore ok to use it in research.


that seems wrong to me. if the embryo could grow into a full fledged human being it should have the same religious status at the same stage of growth as an embryo from fertilization.

but i dont suppose any religious books cover it in any detail.