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Lots of people are very fond of dogs, certainly more people than are fond of minks or baby seals. I guess it's the whole "man's best friend" thing.


Mwahaha, the thread, she is mine!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/23/ap/national/mainD8NFE42G0.shtml

or......maybe not.

so, who is shocked and disgusted?

why are dogs "better" than any other animal?

I mean really......I don't want to wear a dog fur coat, but I have little problem with the rabbit fur coat I had as a child.......why is that?

Lots of people are very fond of dogs, certainly more people than are fond of minks or baby seals. I guess it's the whole "man's best friend" thing.


Mwahaha, the thread, she is mine!

you keep warping my threads?!:eek: :( :mad: :D ;) :cool: :p

you keep warping my threads?!:eek: :( :mad: :D ;) :cool: :p

I get that exact reaction from women all the time.
It's cos we're on different servers. Mine is ahead of yours, or yours is ahead of mine, I don't know.

its kind of "funny" to think that its cheaper in china to use dog fur than it is to use fake fur so they are passing off real as fake.

it doesnt bother me that chinese dogs are being used for clothing i just want it to be correctly labelled so that no one ends up wearing it by mistake.

why are dogs "better" than any other animal?

Dogs and humans have a long history together. Hunting dogs, guard dogs, war dogs, it's not surprising that humans would put them above other animals.

Of the 25 coats tested, 24 were mislabeled or misadvertised.

Three coats _ from Tommy Hilfiger's Web site ShopTommy.com, Nordstrom.com and a coat from Andrew Marc's MARC New York line sold on Bluefly.com _ contained fur from domesticated dogs. The others had fur from raccoon dogs _ a canine species native to Asia _ or, in one case, wolves. The single correctly labeled coat was trimmed with coyote fur, but it was advertised as fake.

Most of the fur came from China.

What shocks me the most in this is the fact that apparently using real fur from real animals is cheaper than using fake fur!

Otherwise, the overseas manufacturers wouldn't have used it (I do very much believe the designers/brands here because I doubt any of them would knowingly use real fur (let alone dog fur) because they had to know it would be noticed and the backlash would be bad).

So while usually real fur coats cost in the tens of thousands of dollars, it at the same time is cheaper to skin some animals than to weave some stupid fake fur fabric?

The hell?

its kind of "funny" to think that its cheaper in china to use dog fur than it is to use fake fur so they are passing off real as fake.

it doesnt bother me that chinese dogs are being used for clothing i just want it to be correctly labelled so that no one ends up wearing it by mistake.

yeah. I agree with the labeling. I would really like to call someone I know right now who is continually giving me crap about my suede shoes, and bother her about her coat that is mentioned in the article.....she is wearing fur, real animal fur, real cruelly taken animal fur.........I bet she would feel compelled to picket her own house and throw red paint on herself.

Of course, that's probably not the nicest thing I could do.....so I just emailed her the article.

So while usually real fur coats cost in the tens of thousands of dollars, it at the same time is cheaper to skin some animals than to weave some stupid fake fur fabric?

The hell?

Why does that surprise you, different qualities of the same basic item can have huge price differences. You can buy a car for 45 thousand or 2 thousand, a computer for 600 or 3,500, a house for 2.2 million or 80 thousand, the list goes on and on.

EDIT: Why on earth is dog fur illegal, that's what surprises me. The government regulates way too many things that it shouldn't. Marking the coats needs to be done, let the consumer decide whether or not they want dog fur.

Why does that surprise you, different qualities of the same basic item can have huge price differences. You can buy a car for 45 thousand or 2 thousand, a computer for 600 or 3,500, a house for 2.2 million or 80 thousand, the list goes on and on.

All your examples are very much different in ways that real fur is not different from fake fur.

I thought this was going to be about carrying small dogs around as a fashion accessory. You know, the way Paris Hilton is always seen with a chihuahua? I thought I'd get tips on how to wear my pitbull puppy to accentuate my unique look. This thread is a rip off.

I thought this was going to be about carrying small dogs around as a fashion accessory. You know, the way Paris Hilton is always seen with a chihuahua? I thought I'd get tips on how to wear my pitbull puppy to accentuate my unique look. This thread is a rip off.

Wear is on your head. It's all the rage in Paris.

does not surprise me
60, 70 , 80 and wearing some one you killed trends been done,so now they came up with this

She's about 25 pounds right now and kind of hyperactive. I don't think that will work out too well.

You have to make sacrifices to be fabulous honey.

Wear is on your head. It's all the rage in Paris.

She's about 25 pounds right now and kind of hyperactive. I don't think that will work out too well.

yeah. I agree with the labeling. I would really like to call someone I know right now who is continually giving me crap about my suede shoes, and bother her about her coat that is mentioned in the article.....she is wearing fur, real animal fur, real cruelly taken animal fur.........I bet she would feel compelled to picket her own house and throw red paint on herself.

Of course, that's probably not the nicest thing I could do.....so I just emailed her the article.

it was kind of you to restrain yourself. she is probably completely freaked out now that she has found out that she is her own enemy.

Wear is on your head. It's all the rage in Paris.

i don't want to know whos raging in Paris :p

She's about 25 pounds right now and kind of hyperactive. I don't think that will work out too well.:p

Why does that surprise you, different qualities of the same basic item can have huge price differences. You can buy a car for 45 thousand or 2 thousand, a computer for 600 or 3,500, a house for 2.2 million or 80 thousand, the list goes on and on.
Yeah, well, I could see wild wolf fur being expensive simply because it's either illegal to shoot wolves or difficult to catch them or both, but, say, mink? Why would fur harvested from mink farms be any more expensive than fur harvested from raccoon dog farms?

EDIT: Why on earth is dog fur illegal, that's what surprises me. The government regulates way too many things that it shouldn't. Marking the coats needs to be done, let the consumer decide whether or not they want dog fur.

2 reasons come to mind

1) it was pushed by animal rights activists who knew that since we dont use dog fur normally and do love our pets, that a ban can be passed and maybe in the future it can be expanded to other animals. as in the "raccoon dog" mentioned in the article. if they could change the name of mink to minkdog, we might stop wearing it.

2) it helps to eliminate the sorry practice of stealing people's pets and killing them for their pelts.

so, who is shocked and disgusted?

I'm always disgusted that anyone would wear fur, but shocked - not so much.

Yeah, well, I could see wild wolf fur being expensive simply because it's either illegal to shoot wolves or difficult to catch them or both, but, say, mink? Why would fur harvested from mink farms be any more expensive than fur harvested from raccoon dog farms?

Maybe minks are harder to skin? Or they take longer to grow large enough to be worth skinning?

Maybe minks are harder to skin? :rolleyes:
Or they take longer to grow large enough to be worth skinning?They might be smaller than raccoon dogs (even though the latter don't exactly look very big in the pic in the article) so you would need more of them for the same amount of fur, but no way in hell that difference amounts to tens of thousands of dollars. More like 10 dollars, maybe.

I'm always disgusted that anyone would wear fur, but shocked - not so much.

I assume you feel the same about suede?

Dogs and humans have a long history together. Hunting dogs, guard dogs, war dogs, it's not surprising that humans would put them above other animals.

Or in some places, as food.

I assume you feel the same about suede?

Any type of animal flesh processed to be used for clothing, basically.

What shocks me the most in this is the fact that apparently using real fur from real animals is cheaper than using fake fur!

Otherwise, the overseas manufacturers wouldn't have used it (I do very much believe the designers/brands here because I doubt any of them would knowingly use real fur (let alone dog fur) because they had to know it would be noticed and the backlash would be bad).

So while usually real fur coats cost in the tens of thousands of dollars, it at the same time is cheaper to skin some animals than to weave some stupid fake fur fabric?

The hell?

Fake furs -- at least the ones that don't look immediately like a stuffed toy -- take a lot of petroleum products to make, if I recall correctly.

So yes, real 'trash' fur would be cheaper. Less polluting, too.

(Note that this is NOT me saying that some animals are less worthy of life than others -- simply that the worth of their fur as decided by people who buy it separates them into "good" and "trash".)

Any type of animal flesh processed to be used for clothing, basically.

yeah. I get that. It's pretty sad when you think about it.......which is why living in denial is so much easier.

Any type of animal flesh processed to be used for clothing, basically.

Just curious: what about cowhide, pigskin... basically animals also used for food?

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I know someone who is really happy...

Fake furs -- at least the ones that don't look immediately like a stuffed toy -- take a lot of petroleum products to make, if I recall correctly.
Hm, true, but all fabrics except wool and cotton (and silk and hemp) need a lot of those and I haven't noticed clothing get more expensive lately, which you assume would happen, like it happens with gasoline.
Neither have plastic bags or plastic food containers or really anything with plastic in general, at least not in a way the consumer has noticed.

But then again, apparently you are right and it's less a question of "has it gotten more expensive lately" than of it being more expensive than ripping the skin of animals you can get for less (i.e. the cost of either catching them or, more likely, of breeding them and keeping them in dirty cages and feeding them miserably until they're big enough) to begin with.

Fucking appalling.

Hm, true, but all fabrics except wool and cotton (and silk and hemp) need a lot of those and I haven't noticed clothing get more expensive lately, which you assume would happen, like it happens with gasoline.
Neither have plastic bags or plastic food containers or really anything with plastic in general, at least not in a way the consumer has noticed.

But then again, apparently you are right and it's less a question of "has it gotten more expensive lately" than of it being more expensive than ripping the skin of animals you can get for less (i.e. the cost of either catching them or, more likely, of breeding them and keeping them in dirty cages and feeding them miserably until they're big enough) to begin with.

Fucking appalling.

*nods* Which is why I don't wear fur.

*nods* Which is why I don't wear fur.
Which apparently gives you the powers of posting while offline. Not bad.

Which apparently gives you the powers of posting while offline. Not bad.

:eek:

Mod Magicks, surely.

Just curious: what about cowhide, pigskin... basically animals also used for food?

I see no ethical difference between them.

I don't wear fur, and so it took alot of thought for me on this.

no, not disgusted, not shocked (other than the mislableing thing.)

What I have to say is "Who gives a fuck?" Round up all the stray dogs in China, groom them, then make fur coats out of 'em. Animal rights groups be damned. It isn't like domestic dogs, or cats for that matter, are endangered, or on the horizon of a threat thereof.

why are dogs "better" than any other animal?

Several emotional reasons.

Honestly I'd rather spike an infant than kill a dog for some reason. I care far more about my furry companions than the children and elderly for some reason. *shrugs*

My Maincoon is soooooooooo soft. :)

My Maincoon is soooooooooo soft. :)

I used to have one of those, they are so pretty, very nice cats.

When he would get mad though? his tail would be so funny, very raccoon like.

I used to have one of those, they are so pretty, very nice cats.

When he would get mad though? his tail would be so funny, very raccoon like.

Really? I've always noticed that racoons keep their tails down the ground, but my cat always keeps his up top with a curl on the end. Whenever he gets mad he swishes it everywhere.

Really? I've always noticed that racoons keep their tails down the ground, but my cat always keeps his up top with a curl on the end. Whenever he gets mad he swishes it everywhere.

oh I meant that he was usually a very sleek cat, even though he had the long hair, it was always smooth, but when he would get mad it was like his tail doubled in size, the hair would stick straight out......very bushy, very funny.

(btw I didn't intentionally piss him off, my tabby kitten used to annoy him. )