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http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006924.htm

Gosh, he sounds like half of the posters on NS General.. ROFLMAO.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006924.htm

Gosh, he sounds like half of the posters on NS General.. ROFLMAO.

Doesn't sound like me, and seeing that you are the other 50 % in this thread....

Where is the proof that he was a "leftist"? Or right, the biased article-writing asshat said so. I forgot that right-wingers take what pundits say as gospel truth, which is why Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Coulter have jobs.

Once again, Malkin prooves that she can out bat-shit the bat-shit insane. No better way to attack a stalking radical than.... With a stalking radical?

DK, at least find an insult for anti-war types which isn't written by someone as fucking insane as Michele Malkin.

Gee, I wonder where that prostitute was when countless liberals got called America-haters, also attacked, with, among other things, a woman being threatened by two big men due to a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker! Do you WANT me to play this game with you, Eve? Two can play it, and I have 52 cards!

Let's not forget women getting fired or cars attacked for having Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers.

Let's not forget women getting fired or cars attacked for having Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers.

Really, if Eve decides to keep on this idiocy, I AM applying a technique on him!

I think DK is just upset that his latest Muslims are Evil(TM) thread got shot down before it left the first page.

Hey DK...enjoy yer holiday?

Michelle Malkin....journalist or pundit....which is it DK?

Hey DK...enjoy yer holiday?

Michelle Malkin....journalist or pundit....which is it DK?

Niether. Crazy, raving wingnut with large readership, more like.

I think DK is just upset that his latest Muslims are Evil(TM) thread got shot down before it left the first page.
I still find his initial finding that Geffen is turning Republican by ditching the Clintons and supporting Obama a good indication of his reliability.

Niether. Crazy, raving wingnut with large readership, more like.

Like insta-pundit...

I still find his initial finding that Geffen is turning Republican by ditching the Clintons and supporting Obama a good indication of his reliability.


Where did he say that?

Like insta-pundit...

Or Powerline, or Little Green Fasci- I mean Footballs, or Redstate (in case you missed the fun there this weekend (http://www.redstate.com/blogs/boobookitty/2007/feb/18/seventeen_pieces_of_silver)).The Right Wing Blogosphere seems to have a total lack of level heads in it right now.

*reads*

Ok, are they actually comparing Republican Congressmen voting in support of a Democratic proposal on Iraq to Judas' betrayal of Jesus... It would seem they are.

*sigh*

1. Once again, the traditional response trying to accuse me of being someone else.

2. Once again, you didn't read the guy's MySpace page, where it's ABSOLUTELY clear that he's a raving Democrat.

Of course, you call his MySpace page "bias", when it's a FACT.

1. Once again, the traditional response trying to accuse me of being someone else.

2. Once again, you didn't read the guy's MySpace page, where it's ABSOLUTELY clear that he's a raving Democrat.

Of course, you call his MySpace page "bias", when it's a FACT.

I don't really care if he says he's a flying horse. He doesn't represent peace activism or the Democratic Party any more than you represent the Rethuglicans.

The irony of Michele Malkin reporting on a wingnut is still overwhelming.

1. Once again, the traditional response trying to accuse me of being someone else.

2. Once again, you didn't read the guy's MySpace page, where it's ABSOLUTELY clear that he's a raving Democrat.

Of course, you call his MySpace page "bias", when it's a FACT.

You came back. Very well, let's play 52 pickup.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Joker, if you know your fighting games, you know what I mean.

I will beat you in 52 words, counting from the next line:

A man fired a woman for having a Kerry bumper sticker on her car. Two men threatened a woman for having a Kerry bumper sticker on her car. People were slandered, called America-haters and had property vandalized for opposing the war or for disagreeing with Bush. And you said nothing.

Why?

Where did he say that?Right here:
After spending 18 million on backing Bill Clinton, he's not so sure anymore.

All he would need to do to become a total Republican at this point would be to back the war in Iraq.

He failed to mention the bit about Obama though. All he seemed to care about was that someone didn't like the Clintons, not why.

You came back. Very well, let's play 52 pickup.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Joker.

I will beat you in 52 words, counting from the next line:

A man fired a woman for having a Kerry bumper sticker on her car. Two men threatened a woman for having a Kerry bumper sticker on her car. People were slandered, called America-haters and had property vandalized for opposing the war or for disagreeing with Bush. And you said nothing.

Why?

I'm not saying you said nothing.

I'm saying that this particular person is a Democrat, which is true. I am not saying ALL Democrats are like this, but I am saying that a lot of people on this forum have the same kinds of opinions and posting that I see in this guy's posting on Facebook and MySpace.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted. Thanks for the complete non-sequitur.

2. Once again, you didn't read the guy's MySpace page, where it's ABSOLUTELY clear that he's a raving Democrat.I bet you haven't either, actually, considering that it's a Facebook group page.

I'm not saying you said nothing.

I'm saying that this particular person is a Democrat, which is true. I am not saying ALL Democrats are like this, but I am saying that a lot of people on this forum have the same kinds of opinions and posting that I see in this guy's posting on Facebook and MySpace.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted. Thanks for the complete non-sequitur.

Could you find posts that compare to this persons? Because I'm at a loss, I really don't know what's supposed to be the goal here. Am I supposed to defend this person? Is this person supposed to somehow represent me?

Your premise is flimsy, we'll need samples. Please quote the 'lot of people on this forum' that sound like his Facebook entry. I spend an unhealthy amount of time on the forum and don't see your premise. Please don't cop out with something lame like "It's all around if you can't see it..." etc...if it's a lot of people around here surely you'll have no problem finding examples. Anything less will be conceding that your premise is false.

Why don't you go back and read it, and tell me if he's anti-war and anti-Republican, and an anti-Semite to boot.He's an idiot, that much is clear. However you've been using that to smear "half the posters on this forum", which is why you're getting such a harsh backlash.

I bet you haven't either, actually, considering that it's a Facebook group page.

Why don't you go back and read it, and tell me if he's anti-war and anti-Republican, and an anti-Semite to boot.

I'm not saying you said nothing.

I'm saying that this particular person is a Democrat, which is true. I am not saying ALL Democrats are like this, but I am saying that a lot of people on this forum have the same kinds of opinions and posting that I see in this guy's posting on Facebook and MySpace.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted. Thanks for the complete non-sequitur.

Well, you have the same opinions as the guy that fired the woman, the people that vandalized cars, and so on, don't you?

Further, if YOU can, as you HAVE, use the "they didn't protest the terrorist attacks" line against the muslims (though I've shown you repeatedly that they did), you automatically give me the right to say you said nothing when your Republican companions vandalized, threatened and detroyed lives of those that disagreed with them. Only, in my case, it's true.

Well, you have the same opinions as the guy that fired the woman, the people that vandalized cars, and so on, don't you?

Nope, once again, another non-sequitur.


Further, if YOU can, as you HAVE, use the "they didn't protest the terrorist attacks" line against the muslims (though I've shown you repeatedly that they did),

No, you haven't.

Nope, once again, another non-sequitur.

Yes you do. You're republican, they are republicans. The article guy is a democrat, the guys here are democrats. And you're trying to link them.

No, you haven't.

Yes I have, but, if it shuts you up, I'll look for another 10 seconds and give you the link yet again.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Yes I have, but, if it shuts you up, I'll look for another 10 seconds and give you the link yet again.

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Have at it.

Have at it.

I just did. Now, since you didn't protest the republicans vandalizing other people's properties, it must mean you support them, no? Or this line of reasoning only works when you spread lies about Islam?

I just did. Now, since you didn't protest the republicans vandalizing other people's properties, it must mean you support them, no? Or this line of reasoning only works when you spread lies about Islam?

I didn't mention anything in this thread (or anywhere else) about people not protesting.

Where are you getting this ridiculous line of argument?

And I haven't posted any lies about Islam, either.

Take for instance the latest post about the Muslim Council of Britain.

Those were their exact demands. Are you saying that's all a lie, that they don't want their rules to apply to ALL pupils, Moslem or not?

I didn't mention anything in this thread (or anywhere else) about people not protesting.

Where are you getting this ridiculous line of argument?

The very Republican (and you agree with republicans, so you must be like them, by YOUR line of reasoning linking forum democrats to the guy in the story) idea that "muslims don't protest terror". And, again, if you're trying to associate the article guy to us in this forum (and you DID), you're very easy to link to the harassing, vandalizing republicans.

And I haven't posted any lies about Islam, either.

Take for instance the latest post about the Muslim Council of Britain.

Those were their exact demands. Are you saying that's all a lie, that they don't want their rules to apply to ALL pupils, Moslem or not?

No, because I didn't HAVE to, as your claims in the other OP were all disproven, and with ease.

I am NOT to be toyed with in an argument! If you plan to have any chance of winning this, start making an effort to at least sound coherent!

Well, I showered and dressed and still nothing from the 'lot of people on NS.' I submit that the premise is flawed.

Furthermore, I submit that the OP is more like the person in question than the mythical 'most people here.' Sure, the scree comes from the other side of an imaginary line, but the tune is the same.

Perhaps you are upset that you found a soulmate that got the words wrong?

I think all this article proves is that both the left and the right has certain idiots who will attack with force people on the other side of the political spectrum. The left isn't innocent, and neither is the right. So get over it and realize that both your side and the other side has idiots that do this crap. It's not just the other side.

I think all this article proves is that both the left and the right has certain idiots who will attack with force people on the other side of the political spectrum. The left isn't innocent, and neither is the right. So get over it and realize that both your side and the other side has idiots that do this crap. It's not just the other side.

Never claimed otherwise, but Eve did try to associate the left-wing of this forum with the moron in the article, so he automatically gave me carte blanche to link him to the republicans that did many similar things.

And then you went off on an inane tangent about "didn't speak up".

I have no idea where you got that from.

So, first you made an incoherent attempt at association and then I went off on a tangent about how you never said anything when REPUBLICANS were the ones that did it.

Is it clear now? Better yet, is it clear for EVERYONE ELSE now?

Never claimed otherwise, but Eve did try to associate the left-wing of this forum with the moron in the article, so he automatically gave me carte blanche to link him to the republicans that did many similar things.

And then you went off on an inane tangent about "didn't speak up".

I have no idea where you got that from.

I think all this article proves is that both the left and the right has certain idiots who will attack with force people on the other side of the political spectrum. The left isn't innocent, and neither is the right. So get over it and realize that both your side and the other side has idiots that do this crap. It's not just the other side.

I don't think anyone with half a brain would claim otherwise. Though with Fox News it does kind of give favor to the right-wing nuts as they have an entire TV station to blab their nonsense. Liberal idiots mainly need to stick with blogs.

1. Once again, the traditional response trying to accuse me of being someone else.

2. Once again, you didn't read the guy's MySpace page, where it's ABSOLUTELY clear that he's a raving Democrat.

Of course, you call his MySpace page "bias", when it's a FACT.

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D

I have yet to see ONE of you denouncing the vandalism many, MANY republicans committed during the elections. I denounced that guy as a moron.

Why? Because basically lefties are better people than righties.

But wait, you'll ignore this the same way you ignore the many muslims speaking up against terror and claim they support it.

Since you DID fail to speak up against Republican actions to attack those that disagree, of course, I'll assume you condone it then.

You're WAY over your head here.

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :DMeh. Stop lying.

Meh. Stop lying.

He won't, but he WILL run away.

Yes. I take blogs as unbiased truth, too.

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D
Just like the Republicans who knew about Foley and didn't tell anyone?

So a biased blog writes about a moron, and that moron is supposed to be representative for the "left" and "half the forum"? Seriously, only the ignorant and ill-informed would buy into that kind of reasoning.
Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D
See? I rest my case.

It's rather telling that the OP chooses to use the pejorative "moonbat", which I've only ever encountered as a nonsensical term employed by generic Bushevik and neocon cariactures in the comic strip "This Modern World" written by Tom Tomorrow.

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW022107.jpg

What's the matter, can't come up with your own verbiage?

Just like the Republicans who knew about Foley and didn't tell anyone, which allowed him to prey on the young people he was supposed to protect, thus making these same republicans responsible for what he did to them?

The part after the first comma was a complement by yours truly.

dude needs to chill out. I know he disagrees, but that is just too extreem!!!:(

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006924.htm

Gosh, he sounds like half of the posters on NS General.. ROFLMAO.

From the little I glanced at, he doesn't sound any nuttier than Malkin on an average day. Of course, this guy is a nobody and Malkin is one of the more prominent internet voices of the right, so to you that makes the guy way more influential and representative, I suppose, a la Ward Churchill.

Just like the Republicans who knew about Foley and didn't tell anyone?

Apparently we are expected to have short memories and forget about Foley already.

This doesn't sound like half the board, it sounds like a fucking nutjob.

This doesn't sound like half the board, it sounds like a fucking nutjob.
According to DK/Eve Online, half the board is made up of fucking nutjobs, myself included I'd imagine.

Nope, once again, another non-sequitur.




No, you haven't.

EO's usual defense "Nuh-uh"

And Yes he has shown you how Muslims protest terrorism but you ignore it as usual.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article924678.ece

Muslim Condemnations of 9/11
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Muslim leaders speak out against violence and terrorism

In the aftermath of the violence and horror of 9/11, criticisms were made that Muslim leaders and organizations were not outspoken enough in denouncing acts of terrorism. Muslims are constantly perplexed by this accusation, as we heard (and continue to hear) nothing but unequivocal and unified condemnations by the leaders of our community, both in the United States and worldwide. But for some reason, people are not listening.

For the record, the inhuman attacks of September 11 were condemned in the strongest terms by virtually all Islamic leaders, organizations, and countries. TheGrand Mufti of Saudi Arabia summarized that, "...hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts."

For more statements by Islamic leaders, see the following compilations:

Scholars of Islam and the Tragedy of September 11th - statements compiled by over 50 professors of Islamic Studies and Middle Eastern Studies from the U.S.
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Islamic Statements Against Terrorism in the Wake of the September 11 Mass Murders - compiled by Professor Charles Kurzman, University of North Carolina

Muslim American Groups Denounce Terrorist Attacks - from the U.S. Department of State, September 12, 2001

Kuala Lumpur Declaration on International Terrorism - unanimously adopted at the April 2002 conference of the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers (held by the 56 member nations/states of the Organization of Islamic Conference

The following statements, images, and links are provided
by the Study of Islam Section at the American Academy of Religion.

The following web page is produced through the cooperation of over 50 professors of Islamic Studies and Middle Eastern Studies from the US and Canada. These scholars are members of the Study of Islam section at the American Academy of Religion, the largest international organization responsible for the academic study of religion.

All of us have been affected personally by the Tragedy of September 11th. Many of us have lost students, family members, friends, and colleagues in this tragedy. We would like to begin by offering our prayers and sympathy to everyone around the world who has lost loved ones in the attacks on World Trade Center, Pentagon, and Pennsylvania.

Our aims in this web page are to bring to light a number of issues, many of which have not received adequate coverage in the national media:

-Statements by leading academic organizations regarding the tragedy of September 11th and the aftermath
-Statements by leading American Muslim organizations.
-Statements by President Bush to distinguish between Islam as the faith of one billion people all over the world (including 6 million in the US) and the actions of the terrorists.
-Expressions of grief, sympathy, and prayer from the international Muslim community, in response to the tragedy of September 11th.
-Hate crimes committed against American Muslims and Arab Americans, since 9/11.
-Information on the Taliban, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden.
-Statements issued by humanitarian and peace organizations,, trying to bring about a less violent resolution to this tragedy.
Statements from Nobel Peace Prize Winners, on how we should proceed in these difficult times.
-Information on the plight of 6 million Afghan refugees.
-Other international responses to the US retaliation against Afghanistan.
-Columns and editorial pieces which call for different ways of thinking about the complex current situation.

This web site is being continuously updated. Please check it frequently.
You have to scroll down in order to see all the items mentioned above.

Since its conception on 9/12, it has been used as a resource in some 70 countries. If you find the information here useful, we humbly ask you to share it with your own community.

For a summary of many of the points in this page, see Michael Sells' "The Interlinked Factors of a Tragedy."

To see a summary of the Muslim responses post-9/11 on-line, see Gary Bunt's Useful article: "Studying Islam after 9-11: Reflections and Resources."

Here's a Muslim calling our people who deny the halocaust

In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful

True Muslims Must Never Deny the European Holocaust

By Ibrahim Ramey

History will recall the tragedy of the genocide that slaughtered some six million European Jews between the rise of Adolph Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1933 and the culmination of the Second World War in Europe in May, 1945.

The evidence of this crime, and the horrible magnitude of this killing, is irrefutable. From sources as varied as Nazi war records, film documentation, and most importantly, the testimony of survivors and witnesses, we know that the mass murder of European Jews was, indeed, the single greatest crime of genocide in the twentieth century.

Yet the world now witnesses yet another wave of historical revisionism and Holocaust denial, this time emerging not from European Anti-Semites, but from none other than the President of Iran. Indeed, this head of state has taken the unprecedented act of hosting an international conference of anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, and even white racists like former Klan leader David Duke, to gather in Tehran to deny the magnitude, if not the very existence, of this barbaric act.

As a Muslim of African decent in the United States, whose ancestors were victimized by the enormous crime of slavery, I object. And I believe that all Muslims, like other human beings who value compassion and truth, must vigorously object to this gathering as well.

Like many in the global Muslim community, I regard the occupation of Palestinian land and the policies of the State of Israel as issues of extreme importance. I am certainly among those who believe that the occupation of Palestinian territory and the denial of full human rights to Palestinians, and even to Arab people regarded as Israeli citizens, is deplorable.

But I find it to be morally unconscionable to attempt to build political arguments and political movements on a platform of racial hatred and the denial of the suffering of the human beings who were victimized by the viciousness of Hitler's genocidal rampage through Europe.

President Ahmedinejad should recognize that the issue of the Palestinian people must not, and cannot, be transmogrified into the ugly and spiritually bankrupt context of racial hatred. The cause of freedom must never drink from the well of hatred and racism.

And indeed, as the Holy Qur'an compels Muslims to demand justice for the oppressed, we are also called to witness against ourselves when we are in error.

And in this case, the President of Iran most certainly is.

And more against terrorism. Let's the facts crack your thick skull.

Why are there no condemnations from Muslim sources against terrorists?

A common complaint among non-Muslims is that Muslim religious authorities do not condemn terrorist attacks. The complaints often surface in letters to the editors of newspapers, on phone-in radio shows, in Internet mailing lists, forums, etc.

Actually, there are lots of fatwas and other statements issued which condemn attacks on innocent civilians. Unfortunately, they are largely ignored by newspapers, television news, radio news and other media outlets.

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Overview:

The problem is not that condemnations do not exist; it is that they are not well publicized in the media. Allie Shah wrote in the Star Tribune in Minnneapolis, MN:

"The fact is that many prominent American Muslim groups have clearly and publicly denounced acts of terror in the name of Islam as barbaric, heinous and just plain wrong. Though they religiously send out press releases and e-mail statements after every attack, somehow their message doesn't seem to penetrate." 1

Two of the largest Muslim groups in the U.S. -- the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) regularly issue statements. However, they rarely appear in local newspapers, on TV or radio.

Allie Shaw continues:

"Last fall, CAIR launched a national petition drive as part of a campaign by Muslims called 'Not in the Name of Islam.' To date, nearly 700,000 Muslims have signed the petition condemning terrorism committed in the name of Islam, and many newspapers have covered the petition drive. As part of the same campaign, CAIR also created and paid for public service announcements set to air on television stations nationwide....."

"If all that wasn't enough, last Thursday the Fiqh Council of North America issued a fatwa, or religious ruling, against terrorism and extremism. Endorsed by more than 100 U.S. Muslim authorities, the fatwa boldly and unequivocally forbids terrorism and admonishes those who commit terrorist attacks....."

"The lengthy fatwa continues with references to the Qur'an that support the ruling. It may not be enough to dissuade a minority of extremists hellbent on destruction, but it is the right thing to do."

"In the meantime, we will continue to react with the same shock and dismay and, yes, anger, at the misguided people who continue to show no regard for human life. And we'll continue to speak out against terrorism in the hopes that someone is listening." 1

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Beliefs about terrorism in Islam:

Opinion is divided among Muslim commentators and theologians concerning "tattarrus" -- the principle that deals with the killing of non-combatants. This doctrine had been generally repudiated within Islam. The term is experiencing a new prominence as a result of terrorist attacks in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. 2 More info.

In response to major loss of life in terrorist attacks in Iraq; London, England; and Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt during 2005-JUL, Muslim leaders in the U.S., England and the rest of the world have issued fatwas and numerous other statements condemning random acts of terrorism. A sampling is shown below.

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Applicable texts from the Qur'an and Sunnah:

Perhaps the most commonly cited passage from the Qur’an, Islam’s revealed text, in opposition to killing states: "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)

Other applicable passages of the Qur'an and Sunnah were cited by the Fiqh Council of North America in their fatwa against terrorism issued on 2005-JUL-28:
bullet "Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil." (Al- Tirmidhi)
bullet "We made you to be a community of the middle way, so that (with the example of your lives) you might bear witness to the truth before all mankind." (Qur’an, 2:143)
bullet "Let there arise from among you a band of people who invite to righteousness, and enjoin good and forbid evil.” (Qur’an, 3:104)
bullet "All creation is the family of God, and the person most beloved by God (is the one) who is kind and caring toward His family."

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Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) on 2005-MAY-22:

The Society issued the following statement condemning terrorism:

Not In the Name of Islam

"We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

"As it states in the Quran: 'Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do'." (Quran 4:135) 3

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Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) on 2005-JUL-14:

Sayyid M. Syeed, Secretary General of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) issued the following statement:

ISNA joins American Muslims around the country in expressing their shock, sadness, and outrage in response to recent findings that British nationals were responsible for the horrific terror attacks in London last week. These attacks not only violated Islamic principles that forbid the taking of any innocent life, but betrayed Islamic teachings that members of a community have a duty and obligation to protect, safeguard and uphold the laws of that community.

ISNA condemns this breach of trust and senseless act of violence, and stands with its fellow American citizens united against any such tendencies in the Muslim community in this country and in the world, and committed to the protection, security, and well being of the citizens of this nation that is our home. To those who seek to divide us through fear or hatred, we will not allow the voices of hate to defeat the voices of unity and goodwill. We send our continued prayers and condolences for the family members and all those affected by these deplorable acts. 4

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Muslim Students Association-National on 2005-JUL-23:

Muslim Students Association-National issued a statement on 2005-JUL-23, on behalf of young Muslim leaders across the U.S. It said:

"This afternoon, the world witnessed a second terrorist attack on London. In light of these hostile events, we Muslim American students and youth stand united in condemning all acts of terror and the burgeoning war on ideas. We refuse to remain silent while others claiming to represent Islam preach an ideology of hatred. Islam does not tolerate the use of terrorism for any purpose, regardless of who the aggressors are and what their justifications might be. This sensitive time calls for solidarity not only for the people of London but for the international community, regardless of race or faith, to oppose the evil of terrorism.

"As part of this campaign, the Muslim Students Association-National, a coalition of Muslim student organizations in universities across America and Canada and a constituent of the ISNA, has pledged to be steadfast in combating this ideology of hatred. MSA-National President Mohamed Sheibani said, 'Muslim students across the country condemn today's attacks in London and all terrorism irrespective of its motivation or perpetrator. We believe that these attacks are cowardly and barbaric and we call upon all people of conscience to stand with us in speaking out against these crimes against humanity.'

"The voice of American Muslim youth is essential at this tenuous time, and we will rise to the occasion of making our values heard. It is our duty to work for the cause of our future, and we will do so with a noble vision. We seek to cultivate a culture of pluralism, tolerance and coexistence for the advancement of all people.

"This ongoing campaign is currently endorsed by Muslim student organizations and communities in over 30 individual universities across the nation...." 5

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Figh Council of North America on 2005-JUL-28:

The Fiqh Council of North America issued a fatwa on 2005-JUL-28. It states, in part:

"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism.

Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not 'martyrs'. In the light of the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah we clearly and strongly state:

1. All acts of terrorism targeting civilians are haram (forbidden) in Islam.
2. It is haram for a Muslim to cooperate with any individual or group that is involved in any act of terrorism or violence.
3. It is the civic and religious duty of Muslims to cooperate with law enforcement authorities to protect the lives of all civilians.

We issue this fatwa following the guidance of our scripture, the Qur'an, and the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad - peace be upon him."

This fatwa was sponsored by Council on American-Islamic Relations, and the Islamic Society of North America. It was endorsed by 145 U.S. Muslim groups, leaders and institution as of 2005-JUL-28. 6,7

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CAIR initiates PSAs:

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) released TV public service announcements (PSAs) for TV titled "Not in the Name of Islam." Like the online petition drive with the same name, the PSAs attempt to dissociate the faith of Islam from the violent acts of a few radical, extremist Muslim terrorists. The PSAs are available online in four languages:
bullet Audio:
bullet English: http://www.cair-net.org/psa/english.mp3
bullet Arabic: http://www.cair-net.org/psa/arabic.mp3
bullet Urdu: http://www.cair-net.org/psa/urdu.mp3
bullet Video:
bullet English: http://www.cair-net.org/video/psa.ram

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Florida's Muslim community on 2005-JUL-29:

Almost a dozen Muslim leaders from South Florida joined Altaf Ali, Florida's executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), at a news conference to declare that there is no justification for violence and that their religion promotes peace.
bullet Roshan Goolsarran of Cooper City FL said: "Islam teaches us to act in a caring manner. Islam strictly condemns terrorism, and there is no justification for terrorism or extremism."
bullet Altaf Ali said: "September 11 shocked the Muslim world. We were not prepared for it. Now this issue has affected the whole world." He attributed the speed with which the British police rounded up terror suspects to the close connection between the government and the Muslim community. "Our government has not given us that chance. We need to engage the (Bush) administration and work together."

The group plans to release a public service announcement titled "Not in the Name of Islam." It is designed to "disassociate the faith of Islam from the violent acts of a few Muslims." CAIR plans to put up billboards that read: "Islam Condemns Terrorism." 8

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References used:

1. Allie Shah, "Those who accuse Muslims of silence aren't listening very well,"
Star Tribune, Minneapolis, MN, 2005-JUL-31, at: http://www.startribune.com/
2. Amr Taheri, "To kill or not to kill," New York Post, 2005-JUN-10. Online at: http://www.benadorassociates.com/
3. "ISNA denounces terrorism in the name of Islam," Islamic Society of North America, 2005-MAY-22, at: http://www.isna.net/
4. "ISNA Condemns Role of Nationals in Terrorist Bombings in London," Islamic Society of North America, 2005-JUL-14, at: http://www.isna.net/
5. "Muslim Youth Across America Unite Against Ideology of Hatred," Islamic Society of North America, 2005-JUL-23, at: http://www.isna.net/
6. "U.S. Muslim religious council issues fatwa against terrorism," Islamic Society of North America, 2005-JUL, at: http://www.isna.net/
7. "Fiqh Council of North America Issues a FATWA AGAINST TERROR," Islamic Society of North America, 2005-JUL-28, at: http://www.isna.net/
8. Susan R. Miller, "Muslim PR campaign rejects terror, extremism," Palm Beach Post, 2005-JUL-30, at: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/
9. "U.S. Muslims and Terrorism," Religion & Ethics Newsletter, 2005-JUL-29, at: http://www.pbs.org/
10. Charles Kurzman, "Islamic Statements Against Terrorism," University of North Carolina, at: http://www.unc.edu/

:p NOW YOU CAN'T SAY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWN

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006924.htm

Gosh, he sounds like half of the posters on NS General.. ROFLMAO.

Namecalling just does SO much to support your argument.

MAJOR PWNAGE snip.

Thank you.

And NEW MITANNI, THAT GOES DOUBLE TO YOU!!!

Thank you.

And NEW MITANNI, THAT GOES DOUBLE TO YOU!!!

So many puppets so little time. Doesn't it seem trite to have to make another name just to have someone to agree to your points? EO has 3 total names as far as I can see, and that doesn't include the rumor of his DK connection.

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D

i haven't seen anyone on the left defending this guy. if you have i'd interested to see what you can bring up. i haven't seen any republicans denounce the wingnuts affiliated with them. if you have i'd be interested to see what you can bring up.

So many puppets so little time. Doesn't it seem trite to have to make another name just to have someone to agree to your points? EO has 3 total names as far as I can see, and that doesn't include the rumor of his DK connection.

Maybe right-wing neocons have a hive mind.

We are conservative. Facts are irrelevant. Resistance is futile.

i haven't seen anyone on the left defending this guy. if you have i'd interested to see what you can bring up. i haven't seen any republicans denounce the wingnuts affiliated with them. if you have i'd be interested to see what you can bring up.
Basic rule--if you see a wingnut conservative complaining about something the left is supposedly doing, chances are they're doing it themselves. I've never seen a conservative call out Malkin, for instance, for releasing the private phone numbers of Santa Cruz students who were involved in a protest against military recruiters. I've never seen any conservative call out Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) for advocating the murder of Iranian scientists in contravention of both US and International law--and that fuck is a Law professor. I've never seen any conservative call out Little Green Footballs or Powerline for their various uses of eliminationist rhetoric in the past. But they accuse us of that very sin. How expected.

Basic rule--if you see a wingnut conservative complaining about something the left is supposedly doing, chances are they're doing it themselves. I've never seen a conservative call out Malkin, for instance, for releasing the private phone numbers of Santa Cruz students who were involved in a protest against military recruiters. I've never seen any conservative call out Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) for advocating the murder of Iranian scientists in contravention of both US and International law--and that fuck is a Law professor. I've never seen any conservative call out Little Green Footballs or Powerline for their various uses of eliminationist rhetoric in the past. But they accuse us of that very sin. How expected.Propaganda 101 - Repeat a lie often enough and enough people will believe it.

I think DK is just upset that his latest Muslims are Evil(TM) thread got shot down before it left the first page.

Yup.

Propaganda 101 - Repeat a lie often enough and enough people will believe it.

Absolutely correct. This Administration has always been in favor of using the "big lie" to get their own way. They repeat (usually in short, easy to digest bits) a line like "Saddam Hussein was allied with Al Qaeda" or "Iraq has WMDs" as justification for a war they wanted hundreds of times and guess what? It becomes fact even though it is made up claptrap.

Not that the political left is historically any less guilty of using this tactic, it's just that the right was fully in charge and not allowing dissenting voices at the time.

Politicians will engage in hyperbole and misdirection in preference to the painful truth thinking that their respective constituencies can't handle the truth. How sad.

EO is basically another example of a person who does not critically think. I have yet to see him (or any of his puppets) denounce the political right even when they deserved it.

So many puppets so little time. Doesn't it seem trite to have to make another name just to have someone to agree to your points? EO has 3 total names as far as I can see, and that doesn't include the rumor of his DK connection.

New Mittani is not EO. At least EO actually debates stuff, and doesn't just troll 'n' run.

EO is basically another example of a person who does not critically think. I have yet to see him (or any of his puppets) denounce the political right even when they deserved it.

Why should he? You know that when Bush and his lackeys open their mouth only the pure, sweet smelling, God's honest truth ever emerges. So what can there be to possibly criticize about the conservatives in America? :rolleyes:

Absolutely correct. This Administration has always been in favor of using the "big lie" to get their own way. They repeat (usually in short, easy to digest bits) a line like "Saddam Hussein was allied with Al Qaeda" or "Iraq has WMDs" as justification for a war they wanted hundreds of times and guess what? It becomes fact even though it is made up claptrap.Ah, not quite. I agree in principle, but "the big lie" is a different tactic: Tell a lie big enough and they'll believe you simply because no one would dare about something like that. (Example: "Johnny, why didn't you do your homework?" "I'm sorry, my house burned down.")

(Example: "Johnny, why didn't you do your homework?" "I'm sorry, my house burned down.")

Why did you wait until AFTER I graduated to teach me that?

Propaganda 101 - Repeat a lie often enough and enough people will believe it.

Doesn't work if sufficient people are aware of (and make a stink about) the lie, though. Hooray for graduates of Media Studies programs!

Why don't you go back and read it, and tell me if he's anti-war and anti-Republican, and an anti-Semite to boot.So if somebody is anti-war, anti-Republican, and anti-Semite, they must be a Democrat?

Wow an ad hominem in the subject line.

I'd tap Michelle Malkin, if she didn't have such a twisted black heart that she'd be so likely to rip my penis off with some sort of sharp thorny alien apendages lodged in her vagina.

Donkocrats and other lefties never want to admit it when they're publicly exposed as evil.

LOL DONKOCRATS! OMG THATS HILARIOUSLY FUNNY AND WITTY, AND NOT AT ALL CHILDISH!

:rolleyes:

Why don't you go back to preaching your white christian supremacist bullshit, NM? Show what a real man you are, by typing shit on an online forum. It always impresses me what a can-do spirit you have, even if it's trapped in a do-nothing shell of a man.

Republicans and other righties, on the other hand, at least to some extent actually denounce their own errant members when their misdeeds come to light.

Blah blah blah. Yeah, like how MTAE and you other supposed "righties" blamed Mark Foley's crimes on... alcohol! Yeah, that's taking responsibility and denouncing your "errant members."

I'm going to tell you a secret, New Mitanni. You can ignore it like you always do, but I'm going to tell it to you anyway. Democrat does not translate to "left" nor Republican to "right." Shocking, but true!

Why? Because basically righties are better people than lefties :D

LOL SUPREMACISM IS FUN