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http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264

The report, Towards Greater Understanding – Meeting The Needs of Muslim Pupils In State Schools, says all schools should bring in effective bans for all pupils on “un-Islamic activities” like dance classes.

It also wants to limit certain activities during Ramadan. They include science lessons dealing with sex, parents’ evenings, exams and immunisation programmes.

The holy month – when eating and drinking is not allowed in daylight hours – should also see a ban on swimming lessons in case pupils swallow water in
the pool.

When swimming is allowed, boys should wear clothing covering their bodies “from the navel to the neck”, even during single-sex pool sessions, while girls must be covered up completely at all times, apart from the face and hands.

The MCB adds that schools should ensure contact sports, including football and basketball, “are always in single-gender groups”.

Even school trips are targeted in the report, which wants them all to be made single-sex “to encourage greater participation from Muslim pupils”.

It wants Arabic language classes for Muslim pupils, and says the Koran should be recited in music classes. And all schools should ensure they have prayer rooms with washing facilities attached, it says.

In art classes, Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people, as this is forbidden under some interpretations of Islamic law.

And while the MCB insists that all British children should learn about Islam, it wants Muslims to have the right to withdraw their children from RE lessons dealing with Christianity and other faiths.


Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264



Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

How interesting that you can take "Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people" to mean "OMG we all have to ASSIMILATE into Islam11!11!shift"

It's an amazing feat of intellectual dishonesty that I suppose only paranoid bigots and fearmongers can accomplish.

If they get Arabic Koran songs then they also have to sing Anglican and Catholic Latin Songs on Easter, have to wear Crosses, have to say the Rosary, have to to get drunk on St. Patty's day, and the list goes on and on if they want this to be fair.

Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

Yeah...that's really going to happen. DK, you're so silly.

Isn't the Daily Express basically a rag?

Any UK types want to clarify for me?

Meh. They can want all they want. Doesn't mean it will happen.

It's an amazing feat of intellectual dishonesty that I suppose only paranoid bigots and fearmongers can accomplish.

We should just engage in illicit nookie in this thread since it is essentially content free.

A British tabloid with a history of mistating articles (as well as fear mongoring) as well as missing this quote "But other Muslim groups criticised the report. Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain said: “There has been no discussion on these issues in the Muslim community.”...

Good job DK, you really are a loon.

Question though, do you have ANYTHING else to do besides read British rags? I mean, really now...

Isn't the Daily Express basically a rag?

Any UK types want to clarify for me?
Yup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

Yup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

Thank you!

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.That gives me an idea.

*Takes out chisel and makes a replica of the statue David and puts it in front of a school.*

How interesting that you can take "Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people" to mean "OMG we all have to ASSIMILATE into Islam11!11!shift"

It's an amazing feat of intellectual dishonesty that I suppose only paranoid bigots and fearmongers can accomplish.

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264

Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Oh, wait, the government has already dismissed the report. link (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2018191,00.html)

And, oh, wait, your characterization of the 72-page report is hysterical fear-mongering and bigotry. pdf link (http://www.mcb.org.uk/downloads/Schoolinfoguidance.pdf)

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.

I expect you to get a sex change.

Will you?

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.
How odd, another article has a quote saying this was directed at schools with a Muslim majority and not at all pupils.

Tahir Alam, who wrote the report, said: "It's not about special or separate treatment. It's about recognising the needs of Muslim children. We're not asking every school to do that, just where there's a Muslim majority.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2017439,00.html

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article. It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.

And you obviously didn't bother to read the report -- or even anything about it other than tabloid hysteria.

Well this thread died quickly.

Well this thread died quickly.
Thank God for small favors.

I'm sure Eve Online will take the time to read the whole thing first hand, hmm?

I've just started looking through it, and I have to go to work now, but one quick point:


The holy month – when eating and drinking is not allowed in daylight hours – should also see a ban on swimming lessons in case pupils swallow water in
the pool.


What the report actually says is:


In general, participation in swimming is an acceptable activity while fasting. However, [...] the potential for swallowing water is very high. [...] Schools with a significant number of Muslim pupils should try to avoid scheduling swimming lessons during Ramadan to remove uneccessary barriers to full participation.

Why am I not surprised that the article you quote is lying?

Why am I not surprised that the article you quote is lying?

Because Deep Kimchi is a nutjob racist who cannot percieve Muslims as anything but evil dispicable entities who wish to forcebly alter his way of life or whatever other dumbfuck shit he nightmares about?

Why am I not surprised that the article you quote is lying?

It's the Diana Express - its it's job to look retarded.

Imagine how scary it would be if it did go through though. Not being racist or anything, because i really like most Moslems really, but for them to impose all of their restrictions on well...everyone seems to be taking it a bit far...

Imagine how scary it would be if it did go through though. Not being racist or anything, because i really like most Moslems really, but for them to impose all of their restrictions on well...everyone seems to be taking it a bit far...

Please, read the pdf. It may be a bit silly in places, but its not the all conquering conversion Deep Kimchi wants us to think it is.

Please, read the pdf. It may be a bit silly in places, but its not the all conquering conversion Deep Kimchi wants us to think it is.

Dont worry i have read it and everything, read my post more carefully and youll see i said 'Imagine' :p

Dont worry i have read it and everything, read my post more carefully and youll see i said 'Imagine' :p

Ah. :p Hmm, given your post, I got the impression that you'd read the article, but not the actual pdf. If you'd said 'imagine if the article was true, and it did go through', I'd have got you.

Meh, its too early and I have an exam in 45 mins.

Ah. :p Hmm, given your post, I got the impression that you'd read the article, but not the actual pdf. If you'd said 'imagine if the article was true, and it did go through', I'd have got you.

Meh, its too early and I have an exam in 45 mins.

Its not that early surely?

Good luck on your exam...Wait...Why arent you revising arrogant fool!;)

Its not that early surely?

Good luck on your exam...Wait...Why arent you revising arrogant fool!;)

Its before 10 - its early.

Multitasking! :cool: Wait... crap! *stops hijacking and scurries back to revision*

A tenner says It's a lie, exaggeration or both.

How interesting that you can take "Muslim children should not be allowed to draw people" to mean "OMG we all have to ASSIMILATE into Islam11!11!shift"

It's an amazing feat of intellectual dishonesty that I suppose only paranoid bigots and fearmongers can accomplish.

Well, hes found his soul-mate with the Express then.....

http://www.johncooperclarke.com/Pages/nipple.htm

If they get Arabic Koran songs then they also have to sing Anglican and Catholic Latin Songs on Easter, have to wear Crosses, have to say the Rosary, have to to get drunk on St. Patty's day, and the list goes on and on if they want this to be fair.

I wonder: are christian pupils in UK schools compelled by the school to wear crosses etc? Looks quite strange to me.

Parents should take a step back from the education their kids receive in schools: they aren't professional teachers, what the hell!

A tenner says It's a lie, exaggeration or both.

Easy money.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264



Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

No it doesn't. :p

Isn't the Daily Express basically a rag?

Any UK types want to clarify for me?

Meh. They can want all they want. Doesn't mean it will happen.Yes, but that doesn't mean that what it has reported is any less true. This piece of news is being reported by many other sources.

Sure you can oppose the slant a source has taken, but not objective facts. That the Muslim Council of Britain is recommending that swimming lessons be halted during Ramadan is absurd. It's akin to recommending that people get special air scrubbers to remove moisture from the air so that Muslims don't accidently let water vapour pass their lips during the daylight hours of Ramadan.

But it looks like the MCB has just fallen from government grace.

Google link to the current news sources (http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=wn&ncl=1113807028)

Easy money.
'll have to get into 6th form early today to see what the Daily Mail has to say about this. Should be a giggle.

So, some muslims want everyone to act muslim?



If this is news then why aren't there reports on how the sky is blue?

So, some muslims want everyone to act muslim?



If this is news then why aren't there reports on how the sky is blue?Because it isn't?

In other news, water is wet. :)

It's what?!


But.....but......but....:confused:
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q100/TheSteveslols/1163920438-1162576236691.jpg

So, some muslims want everyone to act muslim?



If this is news then why aren't there reports on how the sky is blue?

In other news, water is wet. :)

In other news, water is wet. :)

And DK slinks away like a cheap scooby doo villain. I can just see him shaking his fists while shouting.

"Curse you meddling kids. If it weren't for your reading comprehension, I'd have gotten away with it"

i dont know whats more worrying:

the fact that Eve read the report so wrong because it fed into his prejudice or the likes of Ifreann who have ignored pages of posts destroying Eve's bigotry

i dont know whats more worrying:

the fact that Eve read the report so wrong because it fed into his prejudice or the likes of Ifreann who have ignored pages of posts destroying Eve's bigotry

Why thank you, I do try. :D

*wonders what peoples responses would be if this was a report about an American Christian group wanting schools with a majority of Christian students to alter their curriculum and run Christian themed classes*

*wonders what peoples responses would be if this was a report about an American Christian group wanting schools with a majority of Christian students to alter their curriculum and run Christian themed classes*Unlike this, you'd see a couple of fanatics defending it. It shouldn't be surprising though. Christian fanatics are statistically significantly more likely to have internet connections.

Isn't the Daily Express basically a rag?

Any UK types want to clarify for me?

Meh. They can want all they want. Doesn't mean it will happen.

Yes it basically is, although I give them effort points for getting off their backsides and writing a story that's not about Princess Diana for a change. Too bad the end result seems to be this though. Like it's ever going to happen.

I expect you to get a sex change.

Will you?

Ha! That's a completely different kind of expectation. You expect--as in, suppose with reasonable evidence--that he will get a sex change. But you have no power to affect such a change. If a government expects something of you, then this is an expectation in the form of you will do it because if you don't, you face consequences. SO yes, you are both expecting something, but the context and reasoning are completely different. Nice try though, I needed a good laugh.

Ha! That's a completely different kind of expectation. You expect--as in, suppose with reasonable evidence--that he will get a sex change. But you have no power to affect such a change. If a government expects something of you, then this is an expectation in the form of you will do it because if you don't, you face consequences. SO yes, you are both expecting something, but the context and reasoning are completely different. Nice try though, I needed a good laugh.

Sorry, you fail. The Muslim Council Of Britian has no more power to make you act in an Islamic fashion than Neesika has to make you get a sex change.

Ha! That's a completely different kind of expectation.Nope. If you'd bothered to read the thread, you'd see why it's the same damn thing.

have to to get drunk on St. Patty's day.

All schools, everywhere should do this. And Oktoberfest. All schools everywhere should celebrate that too.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264



Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

No doubt the slavish Islamophiles and wanna-be dhimmis on this board (and you know who you are) will make excuses for this latest outburst, like they do for every other Moslem assault on any civilization that doesn't conform to their infidel ideology.

The world didn't take notice of Hitler's Mein Kampf until it was too late. For the sake of civilization, we'd better not repeat that mistake.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in a while. Not even Pat Robertson and his ilk are as goofy as these guys; I'm surprised that anyone takes idiots like this seriously.

No doubt the slavish Islamophiles and wanna-be dhimmis on this board (and you know who you are) will make excuses for this latest outburst, like they do for every other Moslem assault on any civilization that doesn't conform to their infidel ideology.

The world didn't take notice of Hitler's Mein Kampf until it was too late. For the sake of civilization, we'd better not repeat that mistake.
You do realise that the news article has been proven to be complete bullshit, right?

The report, Towards Greater Understanding – Meeting The Needs of Muslim Pupils In State Schools, says all schools should bring in effective bans for all pupils on “un-Islamic activities” like dance classes

Isn't anyone going to tell these people to shit in their hat? Or would that be "islamophobic"? Seems to me just from the statement quoted above the people who drafted the report are freedom-phobic. No government should allow one religion to dictate to everyone what can and cannot be taught.

No doubt the slavish Islamophiles and wanna-be dhimmis on this board (and you know who you are) will make excuses for this latest outburst, like they do for every other Moslem assault on any civilization that doesn't conform to their infidel ideology.They're being idiots, obviously. Funny to see you taking sides with the National Secular Society and other Muslim groups besides the MCB that disagree with the report...

The world didn't take notice of Hitler's Mein Kampf until it was too late. For the sake of civilization, we'd better not repeat that mistake.
Let's just toss that last bit into the Godwin Bin.

http://www.express.co.uk/news_detail.html?sku=1264



Looks like the government is backing this one, so I expect the typical UK pupil to be forced to assimilate into Islam.

Well, banning ALL un-Islamic activities like dance class is ridiculous. If YOU don't want to participate, something else should be offered to you, but fuck off if you're going to say, "I can't, so you can't either."

If YOU can't do something during Ramadan, then you shouldn't be penalized, and an alternative should be offered. But fuck off if you're going to say NO ONE can do them. (I don't force you to fast during Lent, do I?)

If YOU don;t want to swim because of the danger of swallowing pool water -- which I think is slim anyway (chlorine sucks! and surely there is no prohibition against drowning?) then some other activity should be provided for you, but not EVERYONE should be banned from it.

Wear whatever you want to swim in. They make scuba diving suits. But if you don't want to see other people swimming in what they want to swim in, that's your problem. People are not going to cover up at the beach unless it's a beach where EVERYONE follows the same social rules.

If YOU want to be in single sex contact sports, fine. But don't forbid everyone else who does not share your view.

There should NOT be special language classes for one group of pupils. If you're saying offer Arabic to anyone who wants it, I'm all for it. If you're for segregating ONE group from everyone else with special privileges, not so much. And the Koran should NOT be recited in music class unless prayers from the Anglican church, from Judaism, and any other faith represented in the classroom is also recited.

I see nothing wrong with a prayer room with a sink -- provided all faiths can use it.

In art classes, let Muslim children draw still lifes, animals, architecture, abstract art -- whatever they are comfortable with. There should be no requirement for them to draw humans as it is prohibited by their faith. However, other children should draw what they please.

While I see nothing wrong with British students learning about Islam, they should also be exposed to Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Atheism, Animism, etc. And anyone who has a problem with that can do what they do in the USA -- take your kid out of the secular schools, and pay to send them to the religious school of your choice.

(and yes, I realize the original article is utter shit; I'm saying that asking for these things for individuals is not unreasonable -- expecting it of everyone would be.)

Isn't anyone going to tell these people to shit in their hat? Or would that be "islamophobic"? Seems to me just from the statement quoted above the people who drafted the report are freedom-phobic. No government should allow one religion to dictate to everyone what can and cannot be taught.
I''m fairly sure that even our government isn't even that stupid.

No doubt the slavish Islamophiles and wanna-be dhimmis on this board (and you know who you are) will make excuses for this latest outburst, like they do for every other Moslem assault on any civilization that doesn't conform to their infidel ideology.

The world didn't take notice of Hitler's Mein Kampf until it was too late. For the sake of civilization, we'd better not repeat that mistake.I make you special offer. I can convert you to Islam today and give you a matyrdom for free. And for the discerning convert we also have a choice of Islams. For the those who just want to fit in then Sunni Islam is for you. If you like parties then you'll just love being a Shi‘ite. For those looking for a more physical manifestation of Allah then you may wish to become an Alawite. And for those looking for something a little more proscriptive then we have Wahhabism. Finally, for those who enjoy philosophy then we have totally free Sufi add-ons for both the Sunni and Shia sects.

So convert today and be secure in the knowledge that there will a place for you in paradise when you die. With an offer this good, what are you waiting for, Qiyamah?

You do realise that the news article has been proven to be complete bullshit, right?

You do realise that you expect him to actually read through the thread and adress the points made, right? :p

You do realise that you expect him to actually read through the thread and adress the points made, right? :p
I only realised it was NM after I posted.

I''m fairly sure that even our government isn't even that stupid.
Don't count on it, this government has always crawled to the MCB, they're pathetic and gutless. They're so pathetic that they've already approved allowed islamic state schools to open. It's time we had a government that would tell these people to shut up.

hmmm, link that to the controversy about the girl banned from wearing the niqab to school and see that you are standing on the top of the slippery slope.

No, even in Muslim majoritary areas the Muslim code of conduct should not be enforced. Not on my tax money, if they want religious education, go to private schools.

The column might be a joke, but I have met the attitude before, in a lot of Muslims I know and work with. Whether the bleeding heart neville Chamberlains want to remember hat happens when you settle for peace in your time or not, I believe that something as severe should be voted on, not sneaked into rule.

I refuse to have my tax money spent on helping a community get even farther from the rest of the society. They can do it on their own fucking dime.

The column might be a joke, but I have met the attitude before, in a lot of Muslims I know and work with. Whether the bleeding heart neville Chamberlains want to remember hat happens when you settle for peace in your time or not, I believe that something as severe should be voted on, not sneaked into rule.Even the collumn mentions that other muslim groups are opposed to the report...

Even the collumn mentions that other muslim groups are opposed to the report...

This is group with a lot of power, probably the strongest pressure group in the UK.

This is group with a lot of power, probably the strongest pressure group in the UK.Apparently not enough.
(http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2018191,00.html)

Apparently not enough.
(http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,2018191,00.html)
Looking at our government's track record on their relations with the MCB, this is just a drop in the ocean. All they've ever done is kiss the MCB's arses. We need a government that will shut the MCB up, using violence if necessary.

We need a government that will shut the MCB up, using violence if necessary.

I preemptively call Godwin.

Looking at our government's track record on their relations with the MCB, this is just a drop in the ocean. All they've ever done is kiss the MCB's arses. We need a government that will shut the MCB up, using violence if necessary.The idea that using violence might become necessary to shut an interest group up is a rather primitive notion.
I preemptively call Godwin.Aw... you're no fun :(

The MCB have as much power over policy as the CND. I don't see the problem here really

There a quiet a few christian state schools in England actually.

You need to remember that there are already muslim state schools in England. The only ones that cater to a specific religious minority. No Jewish ones, no Christian ones, no Hindu ones.

How are you going to defend that?

We need a government that will shut the MCB up, using violence if necessary.

That's just silly.

While DK has predictably exaggerated and distorted the report in question it still has some rather worrying features. Remember kids, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Some of the ideas are things which I've been saying for years, like if schools are going to have a daily act of "collective worship" then it's silly to limit the speakers to Christian vicars and priests; other ideas are eminently reasonable such as making sure that the canteen clearly labels vegetarian and halal foods (which they should really be doing already IMO). Other parts are worse:

Not only should swimming classes be single sex, but the teachers and pool attendants should be too. (page 38)

Teachers are expected to actively intervene if Muslim children try to take part in a non-Muslim act of worship:

"It is not permissible for Muslims to actively participate in non-Islamic acts of worship. Within the context of collective worship in schools, this would include the saying of non-Islamic prayers or the singing of hymns or religious songs from other faith traditions or bowing their heads. In situations where Muslim pupils are merely observing non-Islamic acts of worship, it should be made clear that they are not to participate in the act of worship." (at the very bottom of page 43)

and repeated in the chapter summary:

"School ensures that Muslim pupils do not actively participate in any acts of collective worship that are not Islamic in character."

On sex education:

"Often schools will invite external agencies, nurses or health professionals to teach aspects of SRE to their pupils. In such cases schools should ensure the material is acceptable, and gives appropriate consideration and reflection of Islamic perspectives, moral values and conduct with regard to Muslim pupils."

and

"In addressing issues such as sexual conduct and behaviour, abortion, contraception, sexual orientation, hygiene, forced marriages, drugs, child abuse and relationships between males and females, Islamic moral perspectives should be included and explored when teaching Muslim pupils. Such inclusion would make the subject more meaningful and relevant to preparing Muslim pupils for the responsibilities, moral challenges and risks that they may face in relationships during their life."

My bolding on 'moral challenges'. Given the context I'm guessing this will mean "abortion is murder, homosexuality is evil, masturbation almost as evil". If this is the case then it is clearly unacceptable.

Then there's the segregated school trips:

"When organising overnight trips involving Muslim pupils, mixed-gender groups should be avoided. This will encourage greater participation, particularly from Muslim girls, as Muslim parents will be more willing to send their children if they are assured that the Islamic requirements of modesty and morality will not be compromised." (page 56)

To cap it all, on page 64 the report refers to http://www.harunyahya.com/ as a valuable educational resource. For those who are unfamiliar with Yahya, he is a creationist and a Holocaust denier who calls 'Darwinism' the true source of war and terrorism. He also nurtures a passionate hatred for Atheism.

That's just silly.

Seconded.

You need to remember that there are already muslim state schools in England. The only ones that cater to a specific religious minority. No Jewish ones, no Christian ones, no Hindu ones.

How are you going to defend that?By asking you to prove those assumptions first.

You need to remember that there are already muslim state schools in England. The only ones that cater to a specific religious minority. No Jewish ones, no Christian ones, no Hindu ones.

Rubbish, do you live in England? Have you never heard the jokes about the parents who only attend church so their children can get into the local CofE school? What about the new city academies? What about the London Oratory?

Personally I think they should all be secularised but that's another debate entirely.

http://www.muslimcommunitycollege.org/

in my own city
show me some jewish and hindu ones, please


and I agree, religion should not be allowed to ahve any influence on public matters

Rubbish, do you live in England? Have you never heard the jokes about the parents who only attend church so their children can get into the local CofE school? What about the new city academies? What about the London Oratory?

Personally I think they should all be secularised but that's another debate entirely.

my bad indeed. still , where are the jewish and hindu ones?

By asking you to prove those assumptions first.

Don't hold your breath, here's an article from Wikipedia:

English education includes many schools linked to the Church of England which sets the ethos of the school and can influence selection of pupils where there is competition for places. These form a large proportion of the 6,955 Christian faith schools in England. There are also 36 Jewish, seven Muslim and two Sikh faith schools. Faith schools follow the same national curriculum as state schools. Religious education in Church of England schools is monitored by the local Diocese, but does not typically take up much more of the timetable than in secular schools.

Church Schools (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_school)

That's right, Muslim state schools comprise just 7 out of 7,000 faith schools in the UK, just 0.1%.

my bad indeed. still , where are the jewish and hindu ones?

There are 36 Jewish schools and 2 Sikh ones, no Hindu schools as far as I know.

how many of the faith schools are private and how many are state schools?

how many of the faith schools are private and how many are state schools?

I think all of those receive a degree of state funding (although it varies from school to school), because there are far more than 7 private Muslim schools in the country. I seem to remember there being about 120.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in a while. Not even Pat Robertson and his ilk are as goofy as these guys; I'm surprised that anyone takes idiots like this seriously.

Yes they are. :)

Faith schools follow the same national curriculum as state schools.

doesn't this imply faith schools are private?

Is this Muslim bashing week on NSG? I guess I didn't get the memo. Seriously though, how many more threads are there going to be like this?

Is this Muslim bashing week on NSG? I guess I didn't get the memo. Seriously though, how many more threads where there be like this?

Six. *nod*

Is this Muslim bashing week on NSG? I guess I didn't get the memo. Seriously though, how many more threads where there be like this?

Week? It's more like Muslim Bashing Year.

No doubt the slavish Islamophiles and wanna-be dhimmis on this board (and you know who you are) will make excuses for this latest outburst, like they do for every other Moslem assault on any civilization that doesn't conform to their infidel ideology.

The world didn't take notice of Hitler's Mein Kampf until it was too late. For the sake of civilization, we'd better not repeat that mistake.
Hang on, how is this an assault on English civilisation? It's just one muslim group making unreasonable demands (that it couldn't possibly be stupid enough to think the government would ever grant) probably just so they can whine about how the governement is oppressing them or something equally foolish.

Hitler hated Muslims too? That guy had some serious rage problems.
I preemptively call Godwin.

I think the post above deserved that more.

Hang on, how is this an assault on English civilisation? It's just one muslim group making unreasonable demands (that it couldn't possibly be stupid enough to think the government would ever grant) probably just so they can whine about how the governement is oppressing them or something equally foolish.

Hitler hated Muslims too? That guy had some serious rage problems.


I think the post above deserved that more.

Hitler only had one ball. You'd be pissed too. :p

in my own city
show me some jewish and hindu ones, pleaseNo. You made the statement that Christian, Jewish, or Hindu equivalents don't exist. You have to prove that.

There are 36 Jewish schools and 2 Sikh ones, no Hindu schools as far as I know.

So out of all the religons its only really Hindu's who don't have an all Hindu school.

But really, Hindu's are so laid back and just well...cool about everything i bet you they don't care less...well maybe some do but you get extremists in every religon. Thats the thing i dont get on this forum, the holier then thou, bible bashers (who are out there flaming people) to provoke a reaction by distorting truth and reality about other people...

Basically being mini Hitlers, them flamers.

Hitler only had one ball. You'd be pissed too. :p

Damn right I would. How dare those jews steal my ball.



Hey, I think you're on to something here.

I think the post above deserved that more.A preemptive Godwin? Are you sure?

You obviously can't read English, and didn't bother to read the article.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.

Guess what....

They're not going to get what they want anyway, so this is irrelevant. Just because 1 special interest groups want something doesn't mean its going to happen. Now, if the special interest has money, then maybe. But I don't think muslim immigrants can put forth the mega cash to do anything like that. Not to mention this group is on the lunatic fringe of muslims in the western world.

Not to mention this group is on the lunatic fringe of muslims in the western world.

Guess what. It's the moderate voice of Muslims in the UK.

Just like CAIR is in the US.

Hitler only had one ball. You'd be pissed too. :pAnd poor old Goebbels, had no balls, at all. :D

this makes me feel weird about living in the UK, I never cared about this and assumed that state schools were not religious...

i should move. I can pay high taxes somewhere else

A preemptive Godwin? Are you sure?

Maybe just a garden variety one would do.

Guess what. It's the moderate voice of Muslims in the UK.

Just like CAIR is in the US.

Uh huh, sure. That's like going to the KKK for a fair and balanced look at Americans.

doesn't this imply faith schools are private?

Nah, I think it's trying to explain that Church schools aren't comparable to Seminaries or Madrassahs as they're effectively just normal schools with a bit of Jesus/YHWH/Allah thrown in.

I went to a Church of England infant school and it was just like a normal school except we trudged down to the local church on Sunday mornings to listen to the vicar for an hour.

Maybe just a garden variety one would do.

Would mentioning Kristalnacht do?

Guess what. It's the moderate voice of Muslims in the UK.

Just like CAIR is in the US.

Actually, it's what the UK government have arbitrarily declared to be the moderate voice of Islam in the UK.

Nah, I think it's trying to explain that Church schools aren't comparable to Seminaries or Madrassahs as they're effectively just normal schools with a bit of Jesus/YHWH/Allah thrown in.

I went to a Church of England infant school and it was just like a normal school except we trudged down to the local church on Sunday mornings to listen to the vicar for an hour.


I didn't realize this was done in England ( I have no kids, plan to ahve none and I am non religious).
Fuuck, I thought i lived in a civilised country

Is this Muslim bashing week on NSG? I guess I didn't get the memo. Seriously though, how many more threads are there going to be like this?

It probably isn't helped by the tendency of many Islamic groups to paint large, metaphorical targets on themselves... ;)

Is this Muslim bashing week on NSG? I guess I didn't get the memo. Seriously though, how many more threads are there going to be like this?

It's up to you and others like you to be a loud voice of reason among muslims. You have to drown out the voices of the extremists and show people that you are fundamentally no different then them.

It's up to you and others like you to be a loud voice of reason among muslims. You have to drown out the voices of the extremists and show people that you are fundamentally no different then them.

Yes, tell us you don't want any special treatment in publicly funded schools, and don't want to force other people to conform in any way to your religion.

Then you would be fundamentally no different.

This thread sucks. Does no one appreciate dirty British WWII propaganda poems?

Only Cockneys appreciate such things.

This thread sucks. Does no one appreciate dirty British WWII propaganda poems?

Yes, tell us you don't want any special treatment in publicly funded schools, and don't want to force other people to conform in any way to your religion.

Then you would be fundamentally no different.

What about Christian Reconstructionists? I can unequivocally say I'd rather live in a Muslim Theocracy then under their rule.

What about Christian Reconstructionists? I can unequivocally say I'd rather live in a Muslim Theocracy then under their rule.

You'll note I am for the complete separation of church and state.

Only Cockneys appreciate such things.I've lived most of my life in Hackney, London. I think I just about qualify as at least partially cockney. I would say I'm recovering, but the time I've spent outside of the East end was in Plymouth and now Birmingham...

I still love the poem though. :D
Hitler has only got one ball,
Goering has two, but very small,
Himmler, has something sim'ler,
And poor old Goebbels, has no balls, at all.

You'll note I am for the complete separation of church and state.

Complete Separation of Church and State, but "Death to Islam." Yet another example of your Muslim Exceptionalism, Kimchi.

You obviously can't read English

Oh, obviously. I'm just slapping the keyboard with my penis, and through random chance it just happens to seem as if I'm composing sentences in the English language that are in response to what is writtin in English. I am glad you are not fooled by the apparent design of my writing, and can see through to the truth - I am illiterate and, as it happens, extremely lucky.

Or maybe, you know, you took some tabloid propaganda and used it to fan-wank up more Islamophobia. Because you hate Muslims. Because you're afraid. Wah.

Nah, that couldn't be it!

, and didn't bother to read the article.

It made me nauseated. You didn't even address what the article really said - let alone what any reputable sources have to say. Cheap, dirty propaganda.

It says clearly that the MCB expects ALL PUPILS to abide by THEIR restrictions.

I think you need to read what "it" said. Cat-Tribe and others have already completely pwned you on that score, though, so I'll just go back to randomly cockslapping the keyboard. Not that I have any idea what I just wrote. It's just little black things that pop up on the glowing screen-thingy. Ooh, pretty lights!

i hate muslims lol

Grow up, emo kid.

Complete Separation of Church and State, but "Death to Islam." Yet another example of your Muslim Exceptionalism, Kimchi.

Boring, boring, boring.

Still haven't proven by mod that I am the object of your ardor, I see.

I am for the removal of religion from schools, with the exception of in religious studies classes where the amount of time spent on each should be more fairly ditributed.

why does one need religious studies anyway?

why does one need religious studies anyway?

Other than as a historical item in specific classes, I don't see any need for them in public schools.

why does one need religious studies anyway?
We should teach our children about religion so that they can make their own choice. Anyway RS in England (at least the GCSE course i'm taking) tends to bee a bit more ethicsy/moral.