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This is disgusting. If their censorship wasent bad enough, now they are attacking people who use the internet. Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.

Ah, good news. It's a sign China is losing the battle against internet freedom and they're trying to cover it up by acting against their most internet-savvy citizens. They can't really control the internet anymore, so they're trying to move in on the people using it...it's a losing battle, at the very least.

The great firewall is in its dying days.

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This is disgusting. If their censorship wasent bad enough, now they are attacking people who use the internet. Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.

As long as the internet becomes a tool of reactionary corporate marketting, then it is a threat to the people. Only when the internet is a truely communist and democratic, and all advertising and piracy laws are done away with, can the internet function as it was surposed to.

Not to condone their solution to the problem but there is a large problem in China of young people spending hours and hours playing online games, sometimes resulting in death:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/breaking/chinese-parents-sue-online-game-company-over-sons-suicide/2006/05/12/1146940714963.html

www.smh.com.au/news/World/Online-gamer-killed-for-selling-virtual-weapon/2005/03/30/1111862440188.html

They've introduced laws limiting the time a person is allowed to spend in an Internet cafe but these are very hard to enforce

In Xishuanbanna I've seen an entire Internet cafe populated by Buddhist monks playing Warcraft, not necessarily a bad thing but an indication of the level of addiction

In Xishuanbanna I've seen an entire Internet cafe populated by Buddhist monks playing Warcraft, not necessarily a bad thing but an indication of the level of addiction

Personally, I think it's a product of the society more than anything.

The internet offers an escape from the repressive and stifling world created by the Communist Party, and people seek it as much as possible for a chance to experience the kind of freedom that is unavailable offline, even if it's only for fleeting moments.

Not to condone their solution to the problem but there is a large problem in China of young people spending hours and hours playing online games, sometimes resulting in death:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/breaking/chinese-parents-sue-online-game-company-over-sons-suicide/2006/05/12/1146940714963.html

www.smh.com.au/news/World/Online-gamer-killed-for-selling-virtual-weapon/2005/03/30/1111862440188.html

They've introduced laws limiting the time a person is allowed to spend in an Internet cafe but these are very hard to enforce

In Xishuanbanna I've seen an entire Internet cafe populated by Buddhist monks playing Warcraft, not necessarily a bad thing but an indication of the level of addiction
it's simple. people want to escape the horrible world that is the PRC. The internet makes this possible, thus china wants it to be destroyed.

As long as the internet becomes a tool of reactionary corporate marketting, then it is a threat to the people. Only when the internet is a truely communist and democratic, and all advertising and piracy laws are done away with, can the internet function as it was surposed to.

nah. their real problem is the fact that dissidents exist.

As long as the internet becomes a tool of reactionary corporate marketting, then it is a threat to the people. Only when the internet is a truely communist and democratic, and all advertising and piracy laws are done away with, can the internet function as it was surposed to.

The internet was supposed to be an outlet for communist propaganda?

You cannot change an autocratic regime into a democratic nation filled with the spirit of civil rights in a single day. Its a give and take situation now with the CCP. Im confident that they are in a sense willing to slowly to lose their grip of power over their citizens in order to progress the nation even more but go too fast and it turns into the fiasco which is russia that now turns back to its autocratic ways.

Is it good from a humanistic point of view? Hell no, far from it, yet is it pragmatic? Well...when 1.3 billion all at once come to realize they are governed by a goverment which is archaic to say the least then I doubt it will be anything less that a bloody revolution.

Mind you im speaking of censorship here, not the attack of human beings which is wrong in any situation.

The internet was supposed to be an outlet for communist propaganda?

Enciting anti-japanese emotions? Yes..
Enciting anti-party emotions? No...

Pretty simple when you come to think of it

The internet was supposed to be an outlet for communist propaganda?

So you think it was supposed to be an outlet for capitalist propaganda?

So you think it was supposed to be an outlet for capitalist propaganda?

the internet is not supposed to be an outlet for propaganda, but i'm sure the chinese govt. would just love to turn it into one

it's simple. people want to escape the horrible world that is the PRC. The internet makes this possible, thus china wants it to be destroyed.

Still horrible for many, yet steadingly improving for alot aswell. I assure you that many chinese people while not being filled with love for the CCP still find their nation to be a beautifull one. As for the CCP, it will go...eventually, but then again the chinese have existed for at least 4000 years, of which 3500 years they controlled 25% of the world gdp. Im certain they can wait a few years longer.

The majority of people in China do not feel they are oppressed or stifled, life in China is actually rather free until you cross a boundary, much like any country. The boundaries are tighter in China absolutely, but most people live happy, productive lives.

The real problem for China here is a historic penchant for gaming, from Mahjong to Warcraft coupled with a void in terms of belief. Look at Macau where over 60% of gamblers are mainland Chinese and gambling revenue has exceeded Las Vegas.

The 'void in belief' problem is that there's a moral vacuum left from the loss of belief in everything the party says. Confucianism is based on respect for elders according to a natural order but many young Chinese cannot respect parents who cling to outdated thoughts. There's a massive generation gap between 40 year olds, parents, and 20 year old, their children.

the internet is not supposed to be an outlet for propaganda, but i'm sure the chinese govt. would just love to turn it into one

By having advertisements on every website it has become an outlet for capitalist propaganda, it if it indirectly it's subtlety makes it all the more sinister and dangerous. Having the internet based on money and for dirty corporatists to try and sell things by advertising in your face is disgusting when compared to the pluralistic democratic character the internet should have.

So you think it was supposed to be an outlet for capitalist propaganda?

I'd rather the Internet remain, you know, neutral. A system for the mass exchange of information between people.

There's a reason for the austere treatment - internet and game addiction among the teenagers in China is almost an epidemic. There are cases were teenagers would hole themselves in internet cafes for days and threaten suicide if their parents intervene.

Connecting this to China's internet censorship is quite bizarre.

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This is disgusting. If their censorship wasent bad enough, now they are attacking people who use the internet. Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.

You conveniently forget to add one word to your post. They're not fighting the "internet", they're fighting internet addiction.

That being said, I do find the methods somewhat...ah, questionable, to put it lightly.

In Xishuanbanna I've seen an entire Internet cafe populated by Buddhist monks playing Warcraft, not necessarily a bad thing but an indication of the level of addiction

I know this are a srs thred, but...
Am I the only one who quite nearly laughed out loud at the mental picture this conjured up? :P

It was hilarious - if there'd been a spare seat we'd have looked to play with them ; )

Maybe this is China's version of the Hungarian revolt or the Prague uprising? Tightening their grip on a population to keep power. It's obvious that the PRC is gaining more power in the world, but as their influence increases, they need to maintain a good image of themselves both in the West and at home. They don't EVER want Tiananmen Square / events of the like to appear on their connections.

Ah, good news. It's a sign China is losing the battle against internet freedom and they're trying to cover it up by acting against their most internet-savvy citizens. They can't really control the internet anymore, so they're trying to move in on the people using it...it's a losing battle, at the very least.

The great firewall is in its dying days.

Doubt anything will happen anytime soon...

it's simple. people want to escape the horrible world that is the PRC. The internet makes this possible, thus china wants it to be destroyed.

However, the problem also exists in South Korea. Which could hardly be called a horrible place.

The Internet's Foreign Affairs spokesperson has released the following statement in response to the Peoples' Republic of China's declaration:

"z0mgwtf!!1/?"

Hmm. I hear China's electro-shock therapy for electro-shock therapy addiction is also drawing heavy criticism.

When will China ever learn?

My site has about 9 active members - it's blocked by China for being defense related.

China made you talk to the hand? Funky...

My site has about 9 active members - it's blocked by China for being defense related.

Doubt anything will happen anytime soon...

Yeah, but it does show that they're in decline; it might not go away immediately, but its days are numbered.

You conveniently forget to add one word to your post. They're not fighting the "internet", they're fighting internet addiction.

That being said, I do find the methods somewhat...ah, questionable, to put it lightly.

there is no such thing as internet addiction. You cannot be addicted to a place.

Well, it's their funeral I guess. If it's going to be China vs. the Internet, the PRC's going to lose.

As long as the internet becomes a tool of reactionary corporate marketting, then it is a threat to the people. Only when the internet is a truely communist and democratic, and all advertising and piracy laws are done away with, can the internet function as it was surposed to.
The internet was supposed to function as a means of allowing universities and other institutions share information regarding their research. You want the internet to go back to the way it was supposed to be? Then unplug your modem or whatever and burn it. Now
there is no such thing as internet addiction. You cannot be addicted to a place.

:rolleyes:

there is no such thing as internet addiction. You cannot be addicted to a place.

Looking at your post count, I'd say you're addicted to NS.

Looking at your post count, I'd say you're addicted to NS.

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I can leave this place...I can leave this place...I can...I...

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I can leave this place...I can leave this place...I can...I...

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Don't even try. You can never leave.

Don't even try. You can never leave.

We should compile a list of the best quotes from NSG over the years and make it into a book. ^That can be the title^.

Looking at your post count, I'd say you're addicted to NS.

nah, I've just made a lot of posts? so what that I have more then twice as much as you?

nah, I've just made a lot of posts? so what that I have more then twice as much as you?

And I've been here longer. That tells me you're addicted. To prove me wrong, you'd have to vanish and not post for 6 consecutive months.

And I've been here longer. That tells me you're addicted. To prove me wrong, you'd have to vanish and not post for 6 consecutive months.

Technically, it's an addiction when it interferes with other aspects of your life and you can't get away with it.

And I've been here longer. That tells me you're addicted. To prove me wrong, you'd have to vanish and not post for 6 consecutive months.

nah. I'd say you stand out as having an incredibly low poustcount for someone who has been here so long.

The Internet is not intended to support any particular political philosophy. It lends itself to democracy by nature of its construction. And it also supports capitalism by offering a free space for advertising and business. However, it also harms capitalism by providing a free space for people to share any kind of information they damn well please.

No-one controls the internet. Well, actually, in theory the US government does, but they have yet to use their power.

Well, it's their funeral I guess. If it's going to be China vs. the Internet, the PRC's going to lose.
QFT.

And I've been here longer. That tells me you're addicted. To prove me wrong, you'd have to vanish and not post for 6 consecutive months.

*twitch*

What's wrong with being an NSG addict?

*epileptic seizure*

I read about this. Apparently since China has good records curing drug addiction they think they can "cure" people from the internet. Sad, as if loving the internet is a disease. :(

As long as the internet becomes a tool of reactionary corporate marketting, then it is a threat to the people. Only when the internet is a truely communist and democratic, and all advertising and piracy laws are done away with, can the internet function as it was surposed to.

As it was "surposed to" according to whom? The government financed capitalists who created it? The sad thing about people who make statements like you did is, you are products of "reactionary marketing" too. Just a different brand name, one that targets a demographic of young, angst-ridden trendy latte-drinking "Che" shirt wearing economically ignorant teens. One that cloaks itself with the mystery advertisements of ideology instead of more practical things like usability, likability.

Communism will only be brought about by the use of force. Of law. Of government that imposes it on the people who, like myself, are unwilling to be slaves to totalitarian collectivism. So for you to rant against the evils of laws is a bit hypocritical IMO. You need laws for your agenda to work - or what, you think just blabbing about communism is going to convince people like me - let alone, a majority of the population? Of course it won't. It isn't here. The internet is working just as it's supposed to - what you really oppose is the fact that people, by the use of individualism and thinking for themselves, aren't going as you think they are "supposed" to.

Well, that's reality. Deal with it!

Commie.

Fucking commies. We should have blown them all up back in the Cold War:mp5:

Fucking commies. We should have blown them all up back in the Cold War:mp5:

wow. excellent argument for this. :rolleyes:

I believe I speak for many of us when I say: You be messin' wit China, you be messing wit da WHOLE INTARWEBS!

wow. excellent argument for this. :rolleyes:

I especially liked the way he conveyed his emotions with a gun smiley. It was a nice touch, truly.

As it was "surposed to" according to whom? The government financed capitalists who created it? The sad thing about people who make statements like you did is, you are products of "reactionary marketing" too. Just a different brand name, one that targets a demographic of young, angst-ridden trendy latte-drinking "Che" shirt wearing economically ignorant teens. One that cloaks itself with the mystery advertisements of ideology instead of more practical things like usability, likability.

Communism will only be brought about by the use of force. Of law. Of government that imposes it on the people who, like myself, are unwilling to be slaves to totalitarian collectivism. So for you to rant against the evils of laws is a bit hypocritical IMO. You need laws for your agenda to work - or what, you think just blabbing about communism is going to convince people like me - let alone, a majority of the population? Of course it won't. It isn't here. The internet is working just as it's supposed to - what you really oppose is the fact that people, by the use of individualism and thinking for themselves, aren't going as you think they are "supposed" to.

Well, that's reality. Deal with it!

Commie.

You clearly know nothing about communism, and are victim to the same mainstream propaganda, and can't think for yourself. I myself have some theories of how socialism can be reached democratically.

'Democracy is the road to socialism' - Karl Marx.

I don't think Social Democracy should be classified as hopeless, it more refers to less radical social changes within an established pluralist democracy. In case point, Scandinavian state welfare socialism takes place within an immensely wealthy state with high taxes, but lots of welfare and social support. I support this mostly because there is, I think alot of things Marx did not predict about the future.

I am hopeful about democracy and socialism, but remember pro-business reactionaries can hijack the system and abolish state welfare. For this reason I do not advocate authoritarianism so much as the socialist policies being constitutionally established and put in stone for good.

It needs to be established that helping the poor, dislocated and marginalized of society is not controversial, and that national control of assets is best so that greedy exploitive firms at home and abroad cannot rob the people. In short there needs to be unassailable safeguards for social support within the mainframe of the state.

You clearly know nothing about communism, and are victim to the same mainstream propaganda, and can't think for yourself.

Ah! That must be it.

I do have an alternative theory though - bear with me, I have to pull it out of my mainstream propaganda box which I just happen to call my mind.

Here it is: I'm right, you're wrong, the only argument you have is an ad hominem one attempting to dismiss me outright by appeals to my apparent "ignorance" and intellectual inability.

Yeah... think I'm going to go with that theory instead of yours. Sorry, no offense intended.

I myself have some theories of how socialism can be reached democratically.

I guess it would be a tad hypocritical of me to suggest you are too stupid for these theories to hold water, yes? So I won't. But ya know, I really want to.

I am hopeful about democracy and socialism, but remember pro-business reactionaries can hijack the system and abolish state welfare.

Behold, the trained language of the communist/socialist bloc. "Reactionaries." Repeat as often as one needs. "The system." This puts you in with the X Filed crowd who sees conspiracies everywhere. And of course, anyone who is pro-business, wants to abolish state welfare -and anyone who wants to abolish state welfare, is pro-business. The enemy is X and X is the enemy!

Appealing in a sort of mindless way.

For this reason I do not advocate authoritarianism so much as the socialist policies being constitutionally established and put in stone for good.


Without authoritarianism, you will not achieve overthrow of "the system." History shows this - communism and socialist revolutions. Violent, chaotic, bloody.


It needs to be established that helping the poor, dislocated and marginalized of society is not controversial

Of course it isn't. It is however, a question of whether I should be made into a poor man just so the government can have my money.

, and that national control of assets is best so that greedy exploitive firms at home and abroad cannot rob the people.

Ah, yes. Government should have national control, because greediness (apparently not found in government) would make all alternatives "robbery."

Interesting, I see the government mandated monopoly on the use of force, and the use of that force to extract my own wealth from me, as a kind of legalized robbery. Most taxpayers do if they're honest. One reason why communism appeals to teens - you own nothing and you pay nothing to the government you want to give the whole world too.

But governments can't be trusted with the power you'd give them. No way. Even the biggest corporation is at best involved with a couple billion dollars. Pocket change compared to the immense reserves of military power, legal authority, and taxed wealth which any even smallish government has at its command. Governments put the people in the concentration camps. Governments start the wars. Governments put people in prison.

Yet you trust them. Blindly. Naively. It would be admiral if it wasn't also incredibly dangerous.

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This is disgusting. If their censorship wasent bad enough, now they are attacking people who use the internet. Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.

It isn't a threat to the world but it is a threat to the government of China.

Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.

Because it is a threat to their world. Information is the worst enemy of a government like China's. The more informed the public gets, the more they realize that there are other options, better ways of doing things. Rebellion and revolution is the next step, and obviously the Chinese government doesn't really want that...

It isn't a threat to the world but it is a threat to the government of China.

Bah...beat me to the punch. Curse me for not reading the entire thread!

China is a disgrace. I don't know which is worse, that they try to pass themselves off as a 'legitimate' country in international affairs or that the rest of the world accepts it.

Why don't they get it that the internet is not a threat to this world.
It is not the world that they concern for, Swit. Their power is the thing they fear is on the chopping block.

It isn't a threat to the world but it is a threat to the government of China.

what don't they consider to be a threat?

I believe I speak for many of us when I say: You be messin' wit China, you be messing wit da WHOLE INTARWEBS!

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