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This is an interesting survey. The questions can be a little arbitrary with their benchmarks, but their FAQ clearly indicates that this is supposed to be an estimate.

http://www.myfootprint.org/


These were my results...

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Food - 5.2 acres
Mobility - 3.5 acres
Shelter - 7.2 acres
Goods/Services -9.6 acres

TOTAL FOOTPRINT - 26 Acres

In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country (USA) is 24 acres per person.

Worldwide, there exist 4.5 biologically productive acres per person. (2.4 Hectares)

If everyone lived like you, we would need 5.7 planets.

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It seems I'm wasteful...:(

What's your footprint??

EDIT: After taking the test under a different nation, it seems the site takes acres/hectares into account...I edited in the easiest conversion, but Americans are going to irritate people again. :p

Category Global Hectares

Food 1.5

Mobility 0.2

Shelter 0.6

Goods/services 0.6

Total Footprint 2.9 (7.1659 acres)

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY (UK) IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.6 PLANETS

Category Acres

Food 4.2

Mobility 1.2

Shelter 1.7

Goods/services 2

Total Footprint 9



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 24 Acres Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 4.5 Biologically Productive Acres Per Person.




If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 2.1 Planets.

CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3.2
MOBILITY 0.7
SHELTER 2.5
GOODS/SERVICES 2.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 9



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS.

wow.........

5 hectares or 12.3 acres

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.2 PLANETS.

Utopia?

FOOD 1.9
MOBILITY 0.6
SHELTER 0.6
GOODS/SERVICES 0.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 4

COMIDA 1
MOVILIDAD 0.5
VIVIENDA 1
BIENES/SERVICIOS 2.4
SU HUELLA TOTAL 4.9

EN COMPARACIÓN, LA HUELLA ECOLÓGICA PROMEDIA EN SU PAÍS ES 2.3 HECTÁRES GLOBALES .

EN EL MUNDO ENTERO EXISTEN 1.8 DE ÁREA BIOLOGICAMENTE PRODUCTIVA PARA HECTÁRES GLOBALES CADA PERSONA.

SI TODOS LO HABITANTES DEL MUNDO VIVIERAN COMO USTED NECESITARÍAMOS 2.7 PLANETAS

Yuck, that was impressive. I'm going to buy a bycicle right now.

Category / Global Hectares
Food / 1.3
Mobility / 0.7
Shelter / 1
Goods/services / 1.3
Total Footprint / 4.3



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 5.3 Global Hectares Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 1.8 Biologically Productive Global Hectares Per Person.

If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 2.4 Planets.

i'm a bad and wasteful person, probably cuz i fly so much.

Food - 5.9 Acres
Mobility - 0.7 Acres
Shelter - 2.7 Acres
Goods/Services - 3.2 Acres
Total Footprint - 12 Acres

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.
Yet another reason why I am just that much better than everybody else.
WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.
Then it is a good thing that global warming is going to melt all that ice out of Greenland, Siberia and Antarctica.

CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.5
MOBILITY 1
SHELTER 0.8
GOODS/SERVICES 1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 4.3


IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

Pretty good my 20 hours a year flying hurts me though.

FOOD: 1.2
MOBILITY: 0.1
SHELTER: 0.7
GOODS/SERVICES: 0.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT: 2.9

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 4.7 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.6 PLANETS.

Well, there ya go. :p

Wow, there's an eye opener for me. I guess the fact that I fly frequently out-weighs the fact that I never drive and seldom use public transit (I mostly walk or bike), I live in a small apartment, and I produce relatively little household waste. Bummer. I would like to say that I would be prepared to cut down on my flying, but I just can't handle giving up seeing my family. :(

Wow, there's an eye opener for me. I guess the fact that I fly frequently out-weighs the fact that I never drive and seldom use public transit (I mostly walk or bike), I live in a small apartment, and I produce relatively little household waste. Bummer. I would like to say that I would be prepared to cut down on my flying, but I just can't handle giving up seeing my family. :(

My gas mileage on my SUV is killing me, it gets 28 MPG, but while that's awesome for an SUV it's just not good enough with the amount of driving I have to do.

My only other option that makes sense is to get a newer SUV......like a hybrid, but then I only pick up 3 or 4 MPG so it's not worth the money to me.

CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

FOOD 1.4

MOBILITY 0.4

SHELTER 0.7

GOODS/SERVICES 0.6

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.1

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.7 PLANETS.

Thank god for the desperatly poor - they help ease my conscience.

My car's water pump blew yesterday putting it out of commision for a while so call it 2.9.;)

I'm wondering how it is that I still have the "biggest" footprint.

I do drive a lot, and my car kinda sucks (freakin OLD), but I never fly, and I recycle religiously.

...grr.

I'm wondering how it is that I still have the "biggest" footprint.

I do drive a lot, and my car kinda sucks (freakin OLD), but I never fly, and I recycle religiously.

...grr.
I think its your Food Score, I remember reading somewhere that herd animals are only about 1/4th or so as efficient as plants at using land, so while everyone else here is playing at veganism and locally grown produce, you and I are living large on imported beef.

I'm wondering how it is that I still have the "biggest" footprint.

I do drive a lot, and my car kinda sucks (freakin OLD), but I never fly, and I recycle religiously.

...grr.

how much processed food do you eat? how many times a week do you eat meat?

I think our diet saved us from the bulk of my driving.

All our food is local grown, unprocessed, except for a few treats.

I think its your Food Score, I remember reading somewhere that herd animals are only about 1/4th or so as efficient as plants at using land, so while everyone else here is playing at veganism and locally grown produce, you and I are living large on imported beef.

how much processed food do you eat? how many times a week do you eat meat?

That's probably it. Although I almost never eat beef or pork, I'd bet almost none of what I eat is grown around here...excepting the occasional trip to the farmers market for fresh produce.

...I'll have to work on that, since my city isn't going to improve mass transit anytime soon.

ACRES

FOOD 4.9

MOBILITY 0.2

SHELTER 3.7

GOODS/SERVICES 2.7

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12

It's so low because I walk more than I ride in cars and I don't drive.

However, since not everyone does live like me, one planet is easily sufficient.

Category Global Hectares

Food 0.5

Mobility 0.7

Shelter 0.7

Goods/services 1.3

Total Footprint 3.2



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 5.3 Global Hectares Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 1.8 Biologically Productive Global Hectares Per Person.




If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 1.8 Planets.

CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.9
MOBILITY 0.6
SHELTER 0.5
GOODS/SERVICES 0.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.9

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 4.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.2 PLANETS.

Playing around with it, to get down to "sustainable levels" I have to give up meat and only buy non-processed local foods, shack up with somebody and reproduce, and go back home every two years.

Category Global Hectares

Food 1.7

Mobility 0.1

Shelter 0.5

Goods/services 0.5

Total Footprint 2.8



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 5.3 Global Hectares Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 1.8 Biologically Productive Global Hectares Per Person.




If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 1.6 Planets

CATEGORY/ACRES
FOOD/5.9
MOBILITY/1.5
SHELTER/6.7
GOODS/SERVICES/7.4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT/22

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.8 PLANETS.

Apparently, I'm a little better than average for my country, but not much. Sounds about right. My only major difference with other Americans is that I spend next to nothing on entertainment, and I'm only slightly more environmentally-friendly in my lifestyle choices. Hopefully I can become more so over the years.

CATEGORY - GLOBAL HECTARES

FOOD - 1.8
MOBILITY - 2.6
SHELTER - 1
GOODS/SERVICES - 2.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT - 8.1

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.5 PLANETS

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I suck.

FOOD 0.9
MOBILITY 0.3
SHELTER 0.8
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.2



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 6.7 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

i think it must be a bit larger, but i don't use a car/motocycle/airplane (public transport, bicycle), i'm a quite strict vegetarian (although i don't really know if my food is local or from the other side of the world), live with a lot of people (5)in a not to big house house , but i do use a lot of energy and water.

This thing is retarded. It takes into account the billions of those in poverty like their "footprints" actually do anything to the ecosystem, then compares them to you and goes "Horry shit compared to a old blind chinese man who walks barefoot through a rice patty every morning, you're sixty billion planets!"

This is the kinda shit that makes people not take global warming seriously.

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.7

MOBILITY 0.7

SHELTER 8.2

GOODS/SERVICES 8.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 23

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 5.1 PLANETS.

Haha...oh well. Punish me cause I live in a nice house, have a car, and eat meat, protein, almost every meal. I'd rather live like that, sorry. :rolleyes:

15 acres?

Hmmm considering the 7 acres that belong to my family is kept in natural conditions, I need to buy 8 more and break even.

(I guess it's the fact I don't drive or fly that kept me low)

The quiz is odd, as for example:

If I wanted to radically decrease my footprint without changing my lifestyle, all I'd have to do is move to France.

As my footprint in France is 2.3 Hectares, whilst my US footprint is 3.4 hectares.

Whazupwitdat?

15 acres? Hmmm considering the 7 acres that belong to my family is kept in natural conditions, I need to buy 8 more and break even.

Well I "got" 23...so I suppose I need to buy 21.5 more? O.o

I finally figured out how to get down to only one planet.

I had to make some serious sacrifices, admittedly. I'm now living in a hut with seven other people, which is smaller than 500 sq. feet. I'm a vegan who only eats stuff that's been grown locally, I don't travel by any non-biological means and I probably don't drink beer.

I do have electricity, but I must operate under principles of energy conservation.

What's your footprint??

EDIT: After taking the test under a different nation, it seems the site takes acres/hectares into account...I edited in the easiest conversion, but Americans are going to irritate people again. :p
Category USA (in ha) Germany (in ha)
Food 2.1/ 1.7
Mobility 0.1/ 0.1
Shelter 1.5/ 0.4
Goods/Services 1.5/ 0.5
Total 5.2/ 2.7

Did this as homework for a class back at UVA. I did it twice to see what I would be like with my slightly more wasteful habits back in Germany. I'd need 2.9 and 1.5 planets respectively.

FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 1
SHELTER 2.4
GOODS/SERVICES 2.6
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 7.6

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

Take that starving third world children!


IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.2 PLANETS.
ZOMG!!!111

CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3
MOBILITY 1.5
SHELTER 4.2
GOODS/SERVICES 4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.8 PLANETS.

Oh lawdy.

CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 1.7
SHELTER 1
GOODS/SERVICES 1.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 9

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.1 PLANETS.

I think college life helps me out big-time here...sharing a smallish box with another person and not having a car (or money to buy wasteful things...or food) seems to be rather efficient, at least compared to the rest of the country.

What I find interesting is that I can cut My footprint/# of earths by moving from the US to Italy or even better by moving to Japan. No other changes needed.

US 2.4 earths
Italy 1.8 earths
Japan 1.4 earths

Strange as I thought that Tokyo was colder than LA so would use more power as heat not less.

I'm still the worst! :p

Take that starving third world children!
Hm, I wonder how many Ethiopian children you can fit into a single acre . . .

Total Footprint - 0.5 Hectares

Less than 1, it seems. Ah well, so much for the human race.

Category Acres
Food 6.9
Mobility 0.2
Shelter 4.2
Goods/services 4
Total Footprint 15

In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 24 Acres Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 4.5 Biologically Productive Acres Per Person.

If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 3.4 Planets.

"Food - 6.9 acres
Mobility - 2 acres
Shelter - 8.6 acres
Goods/Services -9.6 acres

TOTAL FOOTPRINT - 27 Acres

In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country (USA) is 24 acres per person.

Worldwide, there exist 4.5 biologically productive acres per person. (2.4 Hectares)

If everyone lived like you, we would need 6.1 planets."

Not about to change, either :D

Food .....................3.0 acres
Mobility .................0.7
Shelter ..................2.0
Goods/services.....2.0
Total Footprint......7.6


In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 18.8 Global Acres Per Person.
Worldwide, There Exist 4.5 Biologically Productive Global Acres Per Person.

If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 1.7 Planets.

still, crap! :(

This is an interesting survey. The questions can be a little arbitrary with their benchmarks, but their FAQ clearly indicates that this is supposed to be an estimate.

http://www.myfootprint.org/


These were my results...

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Food - 5.2 acres
Mobility - 3.5 acres
Shelter - 7.2 acres
Goods/Services -9.6 acres

TOTAL FOOTPRINT - 26 Acres

In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country (USA) is 24 acres per person.

Worldwide, there exist 4.5 biologically productive acres per person. (2.4 Hectares)

If everyone lived like you, we would need 5.7 planets.

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It seems I'm wasteful...:(

What's your footprint??

EDIT: After taking the test under a different nation, it seems the site takes acres/hectares into account...I edited in the easiest conversion, but Americans are going to irritate people again. :p

ATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.7
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 4.4
GOODS/SERVICES 3.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.9 PLANETS.
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I guess I'm less wasteful than you.

CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 3.1
MOBILITY 0.9
SHELTER 1.2
GOODS/SERVICES 2.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 7.4



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 7.6 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.1 PLANETS.



Hmm. I don't have a car or a drivers licence and rely almost exclusively on public transport, but since I put around 15km-50km a week (which would count the times I need to use a taxi), it asked me how much petrol the car uses. The hell should I know? And I don't have any idea how big my house is in terms of square meters. But I eat too much meat, apparently.

EDIT - although hang on, I dispute that...while most of my meals contain meat, I usually eat only one major meal per day.

Stupid quiz! Making me feel wasteful! :mad:

CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 3.1
MOBILITY 0.8
SHELTER 1.2
GOODS/SERVICES 2.1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 7.2

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.7 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4 PLANETS.

Much of this was guess work though, so I could be a bit more consuming, or a bit less. Still, much of the problem with there not being enough room is all those Third World people that do not have a clue what a condom is - the world can hold up to about three billion of us comfortably.

CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 1.7
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 7



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.7 PLANETS.

My low score is mostly because I don't drive and live in a college dorm room. We're trying to increase our energy efficiency but not making a lot of progress, largely due to general apathy and the difficulty/expense of making improvements.

Hm, I wonder how many Ethiopian children you can fit into a single acre . . .

Total Footprint - 0.5 Hectares

Less than 1, it seems. Ah well, so much for the human race.

I tried that and got 0.3 hectares. Sure your Ethiopian kid isn't flying somewhere?
0.5 into 1.8 goes about 3 times. So if we all lived like a very poor ethiopian child, there would be room on earth for three times the current population.

Category Acres
Food 6.9
Mobility 1
Shelter 5.2
Goods/services 4.2
Total Footprint 17



In Comparison, The Average Ecological Footprint In Your Country Is 24 Acres Per Person.

Worldwide, There Exist 4.5 Biologically Productive Acres Per Person.



If Everyone Lived Like You, We Would Need 3.9 Planets.

I tried that and got 0.3 hectares. Sure your Ethiopian kid isn't flying somewhere?
Lies! Little Wendimu is afraid of flying, and you know it!
0.5 into 1.8 goes about 3 times. So if we all lived like a very poor ethiopian child, there would be room on earth for three times the current population.
Actually, that makes more sense, but, for some reason, the program won't admit to the possibility that someone might require less than 1 Earth to sustain them.

These were my results...

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 38

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 8.4 PLANETS.

Uh oh. I'm a bad, bad man.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 8.4 PLANETS.

Uh oh. I'm a bad, bad man.

Eh, don't worry. That's still fewer planets than we have in the solar system.

Not anymore: they nixed Pluto, remember?

I'm afraid, Karakachan, that I'm going to have to ask you to leave the solar system now.

Shit.

Well, I imagine there's at least 0.4 planets floating around in the Kuiper Belt, although those almost absolute zero temperatures and lack of sunlight might make it a little difficult to live there.

Eh, don't worry. That's still fewer planets than we have in the solar system.
Not anymore: they nixed Pluto, remember?
I'm afraid, Karakachan, that I'm going to have to ask you to leave the solar system now.

Well, I imagine there's at least 0.4 planets floating around in the Kuiper Belt, although those almost absolute zero temperatures and lack of sunlight might make it a little difficult to live there.

Still probably easier than, say, Jupiter, though.

Still probably easier than, say, Jupiter, though.

Or Neptune. Those 2000 mph winds would make building stuff pretty difficult.

Yay...I'm not the worst anymore! :D