NationStates Jolt Archive

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

Too apparent a troll. Neither points nor demerits awarded.

The Religion of Unoriginal Topic Titles seems to have struck again too.

Obviously you do not understand that this Arab-Nationalist dictatorship has little to do with Islam

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak [/URL]




I'd imagine the former was thrown in to help justify the latter. If you had any inkling about egypt, you'd know that.

Reagan was a scumbag, by the way.

Yeah, those Egyptian Muslims are just copying their Chinese Muslim brethren, oh wait...

Sounds as if this is more of an example of an oppressive government than any kind of religious intolerance.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

Hi, bias.

Bye, bias.

Sounds as if this is more of an example of an oppressive government than any kind of religious intolerance.

True enough...Mubarak isn't exactly a shining example of a democratic leader.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

Politicians have been abusing religion for their own ends for thousands of years. It happens in Egypt like it has happened in Europe and Asia and the Americas. Old news from an old country.

Politicians have been abusing religion for their own ends for thousands of years. It happens in Egypt like it has happened in Europe and Asia and the Americas. Old news from an old country.

Political power is the very purpose of organised religion.

Political power is the very purpose of organised religion.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. But whether or not that was the purpose of a particular religion, they have a strong tendency to function as a means of perpetuating current social institutions once they have a significant number of adherents.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

That is NOT religious intolerance, that's narrow-mindedness, something that is a common trait of a few Christians who frequent this forum and others. The Egyptian government is simply censoring this person because it doesn't like it when people speak out. It's religious insecurity.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

Don't expect to change the slavishly Islamophilic attitudes that prevail on this board merely by citing a few inconvenient truths (to coin a phrase).

The usual suspects will come up with any explanation except the obvious one to explain this and all other Islamic outrages.

Don't expect to change the slavishly Islamophilic attitudes that prevail on this board merely by citing a few inconvenient truths (to coin a phrase).

The usual suspects will come up with any explanation except the obvious one to explain this and all other Islamic outrages.

the explaination that is most "obvious" to the bigotted is almost always incorrect. there is not a case for an exception here.

It's less of a problem with Islam here than it is a problem with Mubarak. The guy's a scumbag who makes sure democracy and free press never become a challenge to his power. He's the lesser of two evils though. Wouldn't want the Muslim Brotherhood to replace him and his cronies.

To be fair, whether or not this has anything to do with Islam (and there are some dodgy passages in the Qur'an - I have a copy), Catholicism IN GENERAL got slagged off across the world due to paedophilic outrages in some countries, so whilst I don't advocate tarring one group of people (Muslims) with the same brush as one person in that group, I don't think it's particularly unfair, in comparison to how other religions have been (or are being) treated, to slagg off Islam when atrocities happen that are comitted by Muslims (especially people high in a hierarchy, such as Imams and judges and governments). Catholics high up people in the Catholic hierarchy stopped covering up child molestation after they got such a media-lashing (and after they continued to get such a media lashing even after their claims of "that [child molestation] is not real Catholicism!") - so I now think the most important thing to do when attacks happen at the hands of a Muslim (or at least at the hands of Muslim judges / Imams etc.) is to deliberately slag off Islam until policies (such as dodgy Sharia Law policies) change.

Freedom of speech is great, but it depends on what perspective you're looking at it from. It's not that the government is trying to cover up whatever this man said, it's simply retaliation.

For Example,

Me: "**** you!"
You: "**** you right back!"

It's as simple as that. Just because our governments don't care doesn't mean others don't. In a religion like Islam, honor is a big part of ones character.

*snip*
Yeah. Not about Islam really. You fail.

Don't expect to change the slavishly Islamophilic attitudes that prevail on this board merely by citing a few inconvenient truths (to coin a phrase).

The usual suspects will come up with any explanation except the obvious one to explain this and all other Islamic outrages.

The "obvious" one is what - Muslims are barbarians, inferior?

Fuckin' racist garbage. That's all you peddle, that's all you've ever peddled, and that's all you will ever peddle.

Fuckin' racist garbage.

Actually, Muslims aren't a race, so I'm afraid it's only "Fuckin' garbage".

Actually, Muslims aren't a race, so I'm afraid it's only "Fuckin' garbage".

No one is a "race." I use "racism" to refer to ethnic-based discrimination and superiority/supremacy complexes, not because I happen to believe that all humans are one of this or that "race."

No one is a "race." I use "racism" to refer to ethnic-based discrimination and superiority/supremacy complexes, not because I happen to believe that all humans are one of this or that "race."

My point is that a religion and a race, even if neither are clearly defined, are still very obviously different things. Any human can choose to be a muslim, but no-one chooses their "race".

However, it is true that a person of any religion can choose to interpret their religion however they want. Being a muslim doesn't automatically make you better or worse that being a christian.

Actually, Muslims aren't a race, so I'm afraid it's only "Fuckin' garbage".

But most Islamaphobes assume all Muslims are Arabic.

The usual suspects will come up with any explanation except the obvious one to explain this and all other Islamic outrages.

1- You have no authority whatsoever to call anyone a suspect. If anything, YOU are suspect of hate speech.

2- The obvious explanation is Mubarak, an US ALLY, is using Islam to push his agenda, much like Bush uses Christianity to push his.

3- If that is an "islamic outrage", I'll be glad to assume Auschwitz was a Christian outrage, and make that point against you in EVERY post. What? Spurious logic? Like YOU should talk.

1- You have no authority whatsoever to call anyone a suspect. If anything, YOU are suspect of hate speech.

2- The obvious explanation is Mubarak, an US ALLY, is using Islam to push his agenda, much like Bush uses Christianity to push his.

3- If that is an "islamic outrage", I'll be glad to assume Auschwitz was a Christian outrage, and make that point against you in EVERY post. What? Spurious logic? Like YOU should talk.

Not that New Mitanni ever listens to reason or reality, but you might want to remind him that the Marines have an Islamic Center at Quantico. Maybe he'll get the bright idea to shoot every Leatherneck he sees as an Al-Qaeda dhimmi.

But most Islamaphobes assume all Muslims are Arabic.

Yeah, if people are anti-Muslim because they see muslims as arabs, then they are racist, however, we can't just assume that this is the reason why they are anti-Muslim (although maybe it is in this case; I tend not to follow these type of threads too closely).

My point is that a religion and a race, even if neither are clearly defined, are still very obviously different things. Any human can choose to be a muslim, but no-one chooses their "race".


Okay, so if anyone can choose to be a Jew, how come Jew-hating is termed "racism?"

Seems to be a lack of logical consistency.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh
Could someone please merge all these unoriginal, bullshit threads into one steaming pile please? This is really pathetic.

Or perhaps, each time a 'new' thread is begun thusly, we can just post the link to the last thread, and spare ourselves the trouble of once again, pointing out the obvious to these thick-skulled bigots.

Not that New Mitanni ever listens to reason or reality, but you might want to remind him that the Marines have an Islamic Center at Quantico. Maybe he'll get the bright idea to shoot every Leatherneck he sees as an Al-Qaeda dhimmi.

I'll let you do it. You're likely a Christian. I'm an occultist, which, to him, is, likely, close enough to "muslim". (Of course, he knows JACK about either occultism and Islam, but, as you said, he doesn't really care.)

Yeah, if people are anti-Muslim because they see muslims as arabs, then they are racist, however, we can't just assume that this is the reason why they are anti-Muslim (although maybe it is in this case; I tend not to follow these type of threads too closely).

Will it kill this discussion if the other guy replaces "racist" with "idiotic bigot"?

And the OP cuts and runs.

Do you think it was New Mitanni's puppet?

And the OP cuts and runs.

Do you think it was New Mitanni's puppet?

Even if it wasn't, wouldn't matter. There's still Busheviks here on NSG and they all think Muslims are best dead.

Okay, so if anyone can choose to be a Jew, how come Jew-hating is termed "racism?"

Seems to be a lack of logical consistency.

And you seem to be trying to deceive people with a false analogy. The term "Jew" refers to both an ethnicity and a religion, "Muslim" does not.

And the OP cuts and runs.

Do you think it was New Mitanni's puppet?

I missed all the fun? :(

And you seem to be trying to deceive people with a false analogy. The term "Jew" refers to both an ethnicity and a religion, "Muslim" does not.

People who hate Jews are universally termed racists regardless of whether they particularly hate the religion or particularly hate the ethnicity. If that distinction doesn't matter then it shouldn't matter with Muslims.

But I keep forgetting - it's politically correct to hate Muslims, but not Jews. Muslims are the Jews of today.

People who hate Jews are universally termed racists regardless of whether they particularly hate the religion or particularly hate the ethnicity. If that distinction doesn't matter then it shouldn't matter with Muslims.

But I keep forgetting - it's politically correct to hate Muslims, but not Jews. Muslims are the Jews of today.

How about if you join me in praying for the Space Aliens to invade so Muslims can finally get a break?

People who hate Jews are universally termed racists regardless of whether they particularly hate the religion or particularly hate the ethnicity. If that distinction doesn't matter then it shouldn't matter with Muslims.
WTF? There is no muslim ethnicity. That's what I'm saying. As for the "jew haters", that was always a race thing.

But I keep forgetting - it's politically correct to hate Muslims, but not Jews. Muslims are the Jews of today.
Finally! I was waiting for you to accuse me of being a Muslim hater. What the hell took you so long? Now, you can start getting some support by people who haven't read my earlier posts. You would do well to remember that you can't beat logic without appeals to emotion.

What else do you expect where religion reigns supreme?

WTF? There is no muslim ethnicity. That's what I'm saying. As for the "jew haters", that was always a race thing.


Muslims have ethnicity. Ethnicities New Mitanni terms as "barbaric."

And really, are you trying to imply it would be okay to hate Jews for their religion? I mean that wouldn't be racist right?

Finally! I was waiting for you to accuse me of being a Muslim hater. What the hell took you so long? Now, you can start getting some support by people who haven't read my earlier posts. You would do well to remember that you can't beat logic without appeals to emotion.

I didn't accuse you, so you can wipe that stuff off your pants already.

Muslim ethnicity being...? Arabs only make up a portion of Islam. You seem to forget that there a large amount of South Asian Muslims as well.

Keep in mind, brilliant religious scholars like New Mitanni see every Muslim as Arabic regardless of their actual origin and assume they're Wahhabist/Shia/Sunni regardless of actual denomination.

Muslim ethnicity being...?

Don't be obtuse. I said ethnicities. Plural.

Arabs only make up a portion of Islam. You seem to forget that there a large amount of South Asian Muslims as well.

Oh, New Mitanni hates them as well. I guess it's not racist if you hate enough people?

Ok, will you stop discussing semantics and go back to the fact that muslim-haters are bigots?

Muslims have ethnicity. Ethnicities New Mitanni terms as "barbaric."
They, like everyone, have ethnicities, but the word "Muslim" does not refer to any specific ethnicity or ethnicities.

And really, are you trying to imply it would be okay to hate Jews for their religion? I mean that wouldn't be racist right?
I'm not implying anything, I just made the mistake of trying to get the facts straight. However, whenever one attempts such corrections, one is inevitably assumed to be on the opposite side of the argument to whoever made the errors.

I didn't accuse you, so you can wipe that stuff off your pants already.

I don't mind being insulted, but can you be less ambiguous, please? Since I cannot think of any pants-dirtying physiological reaction to being accused of hateful views, I cannot determine which substance you are describing.

Ok, will you stop discussing semantics and go back to the fact that muslim-haters are bigots?

Discussing semantics ensures that everyone gets the facts straight. The bigotry of muslim haters is obvious, and thus does not need to be stated.

They, like everyone, have ethnicities, but the word "Muslim" does not refer to any specific ethnicity or ethnicities.

However, Islam arose in the Middle East and as far as the mainstream media - and racist assholes - are concerned, being Muslim is inseperable from being Arabic or what-have-you. Yes, it isn't an ethnicity in and of itself. No, that doesn't mean hating ethnicities which practice Islam is not a racist position. It's similar to how you can commit "genocide" just by killing lots of people - you don't actually have to eliminate their genes from the total human population.

I'm not implying anything, I just made the mistake of trying to get the facts straight. However, whenever one attempts such corrections, one is inevitably assumed to be on the opposite side of the argument to whoever made the errors.

Unless you can show he isn't a racist - and you would have had to read more of his lovely posts to get that - then you're not really correcting the facts here.

I don't mind being insulted, but can you be less ambiguous, please? Since I cannot think of any pants-dirtying physiological reaction to being accused of hateful views, I cannot determine which substance you are describing.

You seemed to be overly ecstatic about "finally" being "accused" of being a Muslim hater, so much so that you then congratulated yourself for not making appeals to emotion and apparently having won the debate, according to you. That's just splooge. Premature splooge at that.

You seemed to be overly ecstatic about "finally" being "accused" of being a Muslim hater, so much so that you then congratulated yourself for not making appeals to emotion and apparently having won the debate, according to you. That's just splooge. Premature splooge at that.
There was nothing self-congratulatory about it. Obviously the use of "finally" sounded too genuine. I didn't really want that to happen. 'Twas just a jest.

Unless you can show he isn't a racist - and you would have had to read more of his lovely posts to get that - then you're not really correcting the facts here.
I concede defeat.

Discussing semantics ensures that everyone gets the facts straight. The bigotry of muslim haters is obvious, and thus does not need to be stated.

You have a point, but I think you two agree on the bolded fundamental.

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Alexandria court convicted an Egyptian blogger on Thursday for insulting both Islam and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and sentenced him to four years in jail over his writings on the Internet.

Egypt blogger jailed for insulting Islam (http://************/2k67do)

But they have a different culture and values that MUST be respected....

Uh huh

No, he was jailed for insulting dictator Mubarak(100% US backed btw). It had nothing to do with Islam,and everything to do with political oppression.

There was nothing self-congratulatory about it. Obviously the use of "finally" sounded too genuine. I didn't really want that to happen. 'Twas just a jest.

Okay, well it seemed like it to me. Oh well, its the internet.

I concede defeat.

Heh ok. Enough semantics!

No, he was jailed for insulting dictator Mubarak(100% US backed btw). It had nothing to do with Islam,and everything to do with political oppression.

"When these dictators die, the sky will rain with confetti"
-Blakston