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so, I know this kid, whom happens to run in a similar social circle as one of my daughters, who is way involved with these children's beauty pageants.

I don't even try to hide the fact that I am fundamentally against them when around the mom, who constantly tries to convince me that they are okay, good, proper and fun for her child.

this is NOT a picture of her child, but it may as well be, they all have these types of modified photos to enter the contest.... I only post it for your informational purposes and I do not know the kid in the picture.

http://www.universalroyalty.com/regan.JPG

so, apparently (according to the woman I know) there are two types of pageants, the ones that you pay to win, and the ones that you pay to enter but compete to win....

anyway, she isn't the only pageant mom I know, the things are pretty big around here, and it seems to me that 98% of the time it's the mom carting the kids around more than the kids wanting to participate.

what do you think about them?

Jesus... is that even real?

Reminds me of those face-averaging techniques that make "perfect" faces:

http://www.scottwesterfeld.com/blogimages/blandfaces.jpg

*shiver*

It's like a human uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley).

very nice... if you're a pedophile.

Do we need to sexualize children so young?

disgusting

abominable, awful, beastly, cloying, creepy, detestable, distasteful, foul, frightful, ghastly, gross*, gruesome, hateful, hideous, horrid, horrific, icky*, loathsome, lousy, macabre, monstrous, nasty, nauseating, nerdy*, noisome, objectionable, obnoxious, odious, offensive, outrageous, repellent, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, satiating, scandalous, scuzzy*, shameless, shocking, skank, sleazeball*, sleazy*, stinking, surfeiting, vile, vulgar, yecchy*, yucky*

abhorrent, atrocious, awful, base, beastly, contemptible, cursed, deplorable, despicable, detestable, disgusting, execrable, foul, grim, hairy*, hateful, heinous, hellish, horrible, loathsome, lousy, nasty, nauseating, obnoxious, odious, offensive, repellent, reprehensible, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sleazeball, stinking, terrible, very bad, vile, wretched

appalling, awful, bad, beastly, detestable, disgusting, dreadful, execrable, foul, god-awful, grody*, gross*, horrible, horrid, horrifying, icky*, loathsome, noisome, obscene, repulsive, rotten, sickening, terrible

abominable, alarming, appalling, atrocious, bad, deplorable, depressing, dire, disgusting, distressing, dreadful, fearful, frightful, ghastly, grody*, gross*, gruesome, grungy*, harrowing, hideous, horrendous, horrible, horrific, horrifying, nasty, offensive, raunchy, repulsive, shocking, stinking, synthetic, tough, ugly, unpleasant, unsightly


and I'm very sad after looking at the picture and I want to not have my eyes connected to my brain, anymore.

disgusting

abominable, awful, beastly, cloying, creepy, detestable, distasteful, foul, frightful, ghastly, gross*, gruesome, hateful, hideous, horrid, horrific, icky*, loathsome, lousy, macabre, monstrous, nasty, nauseating, nerdy*, noisome, objectionable, obnoxious, odious, offensive, outrageous, repellent, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, satiating, scandalous, scuzzy*, shameless, shocking, skank, sleazeball*, sleazy*, stinking, surfeiting, vile, vulgar, yecchy*, yucky*

abhorrent, atrocious, awful, base, beastly, contemptible, cursed, deplorable, despicable, detestable, disgusting, execrable, foul, grim, hairy*, hateful, heinous, hellish, horrible, loathsome, lousy, nasty, nauseating, obnoxious, odious, offensive, repellent, reprehensible, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sleazeball, stinking, terrible, very bad, vile, wretched

appalling, awful, bad, beastly, detestable, disgusting, dreadful, execrable, foul, god-awful, grody*, gross*, horrible, horrid, horrifying, icky*, loathsome, noisome, obscene, repulsive, rotten, sickening, terrible

abominable, alarming, appalling, atrocious, bad, deplorable, depressing, dire, disgusting, distressing, dreadful, fearful, frightful, ghastly, grody*, gross*, gruesome, grungy*, harrowing, hideous, horrendous, horrible, horrific, horrifying, nasty, offensive, raunchy, repulsive, shocking, stinking, synthetic, tough, ugly, unpleasant, unsightly


and I'm very sad after looking at the picture and I want to not have my eyes connected to my brain, anymore.

I desire to associate myself with these sentiments. And the mother of the child in the picture linked needs a good slapping. Talk about living vicariously. :rolleyes:

Jesus... is that even real?

according to the local photography studio, they use "the latest computer software to enhance your child's natural features and beauty"

here is a sample of before and after

http://www.naturalbeautiescontest.homestead.com/retouching.jpg

That doll's eyes scare me

what s/he said.

Those eys must be impossible. Bloody hell theyre like the size of Tchaivovskys hands...You know the composer. He cant play to save his life but his hands are apparently quite big. Ive never seen them though.
So its probably a lie. Anyway its a metaphor.

People could r@pe these girls anyway, cos they might get the wrong ideas.

Creepy as hell.

Anybody see "Little Miss Sunshine"?

Those kids were actually not that far off from the photo Smunkee posted.
It was wreaking havoc on my brain: They were like 4 feet tall and had clearly childlike features, yet at the same time they looked like beautiful adult women.

It's the make-up (including false lashes) and hair and it's scary as hell.

according to the local photography studio, they use "the latest computer software to enhance your child's natural features and beauty"

here is a sample of before and after

http://www.naturalbeautiescontest.homestead.com/retouching.jpg

Bloody hell it looks like a doll!

according to the local photography studio, they use "the latest computer software to enhance your child's natural features and beauty"

here is a sample of before and after

http://www.naturalbeautiescontest.homestead.com/retouching.jpg

Uh, okay, now that's just stupid. That's about as far away from the original as you can go. Look at the teeth!

http://www.universalroyalty.com/regan.JPG


Look in to my eyes. Not around the eyes, in to the eyes. 3, 2, 1, you're under...

Those pictures are ugly beyond words....

And what the hell is the point of those pageants???

Grotesque, even.

the pageant moms get together and compare the photos, and they explain to me "we had to replace her mouth, and we added the doll eyes, and we had to retouch her skin since it's uneven and we digitally highlighted her hair, and we shaved some of her baby fat off her chin"

and the whole time I feel like I am going to vomit.

Had to? Why, who forced them?

Bloody hell it looks like a doll!

the pageant moms get together and compare the photos, and they explain to me "we had to replace her mouth, and we added the doll eyes, and we had to retouch her skin since it's uneven and we digitally highlighted her hair, and we shaved some of her baby fat off her chin"

and the whole time I feel like I am going to vomit.

I have always found them to be rather distubing; annother way for over pushy parents to show off to one annother.

You might want to add a poll? please.

Those pictures are ugly beyond words....

And what the hell is the point of those pageants???

the kids get an 8ft trophy, a crown, some candy, and a $200 college scholarship.

the kids get an 8ft trophy, a crown, some candy, and a $200 college scholarship.

People have to do things like that to finance their children's education???
What's next? Geting them undressed entirely so those pedophiles cough up halfway decent sums?

From "Little Miss Sunshine" (all the girls except Abigail Breslin were actual beauty pageant contestants) - pics are not the best quality but are the best I can find:

http://www.bigfanboy.com/pages/reviews/filmreviews/2006/littlemiss/ThePageant.jpg

http://pac.mercyhurst.edu/media/events/215.jpg

That's disturbing. And the kids in those pics look completely fake. If they wanted a picture of a doll, why didn't they just take a picture of a doll?

my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!

People have to do things like that to finance their children's education???
What's next? Geting them undressed entirely so those pedophiles cough up halfway decent sums?

$200 for college is shit. Even lousy colleges have tuition in the 10k range.

People have to do things like that to finance their children's education??? BS. They pay much more than that for the costumes, make-up, photos, driving etc.

I don't think you understand, the dresses they wear cost anywhere from $200-$1000, the entry fee into the pageant is usually a few hundred, not to mention hair, make-up, pictures, dance classes, pageant classes......the woman I know claims to spend $20K a year on the things, her daughter "won" over $3000 in scholarships last year.

They aren't in it for the scholarships, they are using that as an excuse.

When I was a kid I knew a girl who was in those, she wore make-up to grade school. Her mother was living vicariously and from what I could tell the girl was not having a good time.

I don't think you understand, the dresses they wear cost anywhere from $200-$1000, the entry fee into the pageant is usually a few hundred, not to mention hair, make-up, pictures, dance classes, pageant classes......the woman I know claims to spend $20K a year on the things, her daughter "won" over $3000 in scholarships last year.

They aren't in it for the scholarships, they are using that as an excuse.

That's disturbing. Really disturbing. And I mean REALLY disturbing. Really.

People have to do things like that to finance their children's education???
What's next? Geting them undressed entirely so those pedophiles cough up halfway decent sums?

I don't think you understand, the dresses they wear cost anywhere from $200-$1000, the entry fee into the pageant is usually a few hundred, not to mention hair, make-up, pictures, dance classes, pageant classes......the woman I know claims to spend $20K a year on the things, her daughter "won" over $3000 in scholarships last year.

They aren't in it for the scholarships, they are using that as an excuse.

S C A R Y

according to the local photography studio, they use "the latest computer software to enhance your child's natural features and beauty"

here is a sample of before and after

http://www.naturalbeautiescontest.homestead.com/retouching.jpg

Looks like something from the video to Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun.

It's creepy, it's probably really bad for the kids involved, but it's not breaking any laws.

I hate them. There's nothing good that comes from them.

I think you mean Rachmaninov.

The picture in the OP looks like a Bollywood poster. Or something from www.realdoll.com


Does Racmaniov play the piano...I think he does but im not sure, a bit rusty on my theory :)

Its like...over here over the pond in England University fee's are an utter rip off. As you know we all go to Oxford expect to be paying £30k a year for the fees ($58k roughly) but we dont need to get money that way...oooh no, we do scholarships in subjects, such as English or History, or if you prove you can benefit your school in some way (such as being an exceptionally good piano player)

But we dont have child beauty pageants.

Actually i dont think theyre aired any more.

arghhhhh their evil looking

I think the fact that the judges might look at that first picture and honestly believe that it's real tells you all you need to know about the intelligence levels present at such events.

They are terrible things to put a child into.

Child beauty pageants are gross.

And Little Miss Sunshine was a funny movie.

There's no way in hell that's a real girl.

Surely it must boost the confidence of the child?

Yes, if by 'boost confidence' you mean 'turn them into an arrogant little brat'. And what about all the ones who don't win?

I dont support them at all, as you can see by my earlier replies, but just to brush up on my internet debating (teh b35t!!) Im going to say that...

Surely it must boost the confidence of the child?

...Im expecting aggressive replies and wikipedia! Dont let me down :D

I dont support them at all, as you can see by my earlier replies, but just to brush up on my internet debating (teh b35t!!) Im going to say that...

Surely it must boost the confidence of the child?

...Im expecting aggressive replies and wikipedia! Dont let me down :D

I don't think it would, since their picture isn't "good enough" without retouching and replacing their eyes, and nose, and mouth, and hair, and recoloring their skin.......

I mean, I wouldn't want to hear "you are beautiful, let's fix you!"

the kids get an 8ft trophy, a crown, some candy, and a $200 college scholarship.

8 ft trophies are really a safety hazard. Have you ever met someone who had an 8 ft. trophy fall on them? NO! YOU HAVEN'T! BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEAD!

I don't think it would, since their picture isn't "good enough" without retouching and replacing their eyes, and nose, and mouth, and hair, and recoloring their skin.......

I mean, I wouldn't want to hear "you are beautiful, let's fix you!"

At that age a better competition would be a talent show(not j/k) or maybe an evening gown show (j/k).

I don't think it would, since their picture isn't "good enough" without retouching and replacing their eyes, and nose, and mouth, and hair, and recoloring their skin.......

I mean, I wouldn't want to hear "you are beautiful, let's fix you!"

'Time for the plastic surgery at 8, boob job at 9, dentistry at 9 and a half, drugs at 11, rehab at 13, singer at 17, drugs at 18, alchoholic at 19, rehab til 22, shaves hair off after divorce at 25...'

Oh wait...this sounds rather similar to that attention seeker. Yep, something Spears. (minger)

Just because the child happens to be remarkably beautiful doesn't mean the parents should exploit that beauty and have the child enter a pageant. Then again, I think beauty contests in general are designed to bring out the most shallow aspect of the human nature. We ignore the true beauty; that of the soul and the mind and look at what is simply on the surface; that which can be so smoothly air brushed to hide the minor imperfections, all in the name of making another feel less than beautiful. It's sick really.

It could be worse.

Im sure we can think of something...

...Or not...

'Time for the plastic surgery at 8, boob job at 9, dentistry at 9 and a half, drugs at 11, rehab at 13, singer at 17, drugs at 18, alchoholic at 19, rehab til 22, shaves hair off after divorce at 25...'

Oh wait...this sounds rather similar to that attention seeker. Yep, something Spears. (minger)

I was going to say it sounded like Michael Jackson... mostly the parts about the boobs and hair shaving, though.

the kids get an 8ft trophy, a crown, some candy, and a $200 college scholarship.
And a complex. Don't forget the complex.

I was going to say it sounded like Michael Jackson...

Oh yeah, him to.

Excpet nose job as well.

It's parents living their lives and dreams through their children. Kids should be kids, running around and having fun, not forced into entering pagaents just because their parents are insecure about themselves.

I think they are extreme in their present state.

My daughters love to have a 'makeover'...where they got that from, I have no idea because I rarely wear any makeup. They both love to perform for people...that's all me, because I was like that since I could control my limbs. Yes, I performed in the womb.

So, I could see them wanting to participate in something that would allow them to dress up in pretty dresses, wear makeup, and perform for an audience. But no way in hell would I be allowing them to look like these freaky children. They should look like little girls...not like little women. Even with makeup, they've never looked older than they are...they just look like little kids who have had their faces slightly painted.

So child beauty queens like those described here? *shudder*

But there are pageants out there that are more 'normal'. Kids do kid things...they don't mimic adult women. Even then, my kids would REALLY REALLY have to want to do it before I'd even consider letting them. Just a passing interest on their part wouldn't be enough.

I think they are extreme in their present state.

My daughters love to have a 'makeover'...where they got that from, I have no idea because I rarely wear any makeup. They both love to perform for people...that's all me, because I was like that since I could control my limbs. Yes, I performed in the womb.

So, I could see them wanting to participate in something that would allow them to dress up in pretty dresses, wear makeup, and perform for an audience. But no way in hell would I be allowing them to look like these freaky children. They should look like little girls...not like little women. Even with makeup, they've never looked older than they are...they just look like little kids who have had their faces slightly painted.

So child beauty queens like those described here? *shudder*

But there are pageants out there that are more 'normal'. Kids do kid things...they don't mimic adult women. Even then, my kids would REALLY REALLY have to want to do it before I'd even consider letting them. Just a passing interest on their part wouldn't be enough.

What about the peedo threat?:headbang:

Wont someone please think of the children!

(being a child/teenager myself, i wish to be thought about...)

You'd think society would learn after the Jon-Benet Ramsey murder.

You'd think society would learn after the Jon-Benet Ramsey murder.

What is this learn you speak so highly of?

Why only girls? Can boys not be pretty too?

learn-

–verb (used with object) 1. to acquire knowledge of or skill in by study, instruction, or experience: to learn French; to learn to ski.
2. to become informed of or acquainted with; ascertain: to learn the truth.
3. to memorize: He learned the poem so he could recite it at the dinner.
4. to gain (a habit, mannerism, etc.) by experience, exposure to example, or the like; acquire: She learned patience from her father.
5. (of a device or machine, esp. a computer) to perform an analogue of human learning with artificial intelligence.
6. Nonstandard. to instruct in; teach.
–verb (used without object) 7. to acquire knowledge or skill: to learn rapidly.
8. to become informed (usually fol. by of): to learn of an accident.


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[Origin: bef. 900; ME lernen, OE leornian to learn, read, ponder (c. G lernen); akin to lesan to glean (c. G lesen to read). See lear]


learn-Main Entry: learn
Part of Speech: verb 1
Definition: acquire
Synonyms: apprentice, attain, be taught, be trained, become able, become versed, con, cram*, determine, drink in*, enroll, gain, get, get down, grasp, grind, imbibe, improve mind, lucubrate, major in, master, matriculate, memorize, minor in, peruse, pick up*, pore over, prepare, read, receive, review, soak up*, specialize in, study, take course*, take in, train in, wade through*
Antonyms: forget
Notes: learn means to acquire or gain skill, knowledge or comprehension; teach means to impart skill, knowledge or comprehension to

learn-

–verb (used with object) 1. to acquire knowledge of or skill in by study, instruction, or experience: to learn French; to learn to ski.
2. to become informed of or acquainted with; ascertain: to learn the truth.
3. to memorize: He learned the poem so he could recite it at the dinner.
4. to gain (a habit, mannerism, etc.) by experience, exposure to example, or the like; acquire: She learned patience from her father.
5. (of a device or machine, esp. a computer) to perform an analogue of human learning with artificial intelligence.
6. Nonstandard. to instruct in; teach.
–verb (used without object) 7. to acquire knowledge or skill: to learn rapidly.
8. to become informed (usually fol. by of): to learn of an accident.


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[Origin: bef. 900; ME lernen, OE leornian to learn, read, ponder (c. G lernen); akin to lesan to glean (c. G lesen to read). See lear]


learn-Main Entry: learn
Part of Speech: verb 1
Definition: acquire
Synonyms: apprentice, attain, be taught, be trained, become able, become versed, con, cram*, determine, drink in*, enroll, gain, get, get down, grasp, grind, imbibe, improve mind, lucubrate, major in, master, matriculate, memorize, minor in, peruse, pick up*, pore over, prepare, read, receive, review, soak up*, specialize in, study, take course*, take in, train in, wade through*
Antonyms: forget
Notes: learn means to acquire or gain skill, knowledge or comprehension; teach means to impart skill, knowledge or comprehension to

Oh, well in that case, no.

What about the peedo threat?:headbang:

Can you see the fnords?

you see, you have understood, thus you have just 'learnt' try it again with this...

'shape'

you see, you have understood, thus you have just 'learnt' try it again with this...

'shape'

Hmm...

They are alright, as long as there is nothing like some of the more 'revealing' events.

revealing eh...

Wait just a damned second...wouldnt that be like...'Child pr0n'.

Which i do believe is at least slightly illegal...

revealing eh...

Wait just a damned second...wouldnt that be like...'Child pr0n'.

Which i do believe is at least slightly illegal...

I think he was more talking about swimsuits. Which for obvious reasons, would not be a good idea.

You'd think society would learn after the Jon-Benet Ramsey murder.

I was the lighting guy for a benefit fashion show that Jon Benet and Patsy we featured in. Patsy was uptight and bossy, but Jon Benet seemed like a well-adjusted, happy little kid. "Poised" I think describes her best. Like anything, there's good and bad about these pagents. So what if they're mostly for the mom? The kids may well turn out maladjusted by something else, like cable television or seeing the neighbor's dogs copulating. We have no idea what's truly "best" for raising kids, and I'm sure it would vary from kid to kid anyway.

She must have been a good actor, then?

Could be. I was only around her the one day.

I was the lighting guy for a benefit fashion show that Jon Benet and Patsy we featured in. Patsy was uptight and bossy, but Jon Benet seemed like a well-adjusted, happy little kid. "Poised" I think describes her best.

She must have been a good actor, then?

i swear i saw a docu drama on channel 4 about this kinda thing...

That doll's eyes scare me
me too!

me too!

Its even worse if you imagine 'it' killing people with knives and eating their nasal tubes.

i don't think there's a reasonable case for them to be illegal but they are disturbing and i think the parents that put their kids through them are a little scary. certainly no kid can be a child beauty queen without being a little fucked up by it all. and people that watch them are perhaps the most disturbing.

We can not outlaw everything which is/might be disturbing...

Thats Scary Just Look!!!!!!!

We can not outlaw everything which is/might be disturbing...

Absolutely. I wouldn't say they should be outlawed, although you might be able to make a case that they fall under child labor laws. Anyway, my kid would never be involved in anything like that.

8 ft trophies are really a safety hazard. Have you ever met someone who had an 8 ft. trophy fall on them? NO! YOU HAVEN'T! BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEAD!

lolol

i knew there was some reason i didnt like pagents!

The eyes! The fucking eyes! why would anyone want a picture of their child that makes them look like Chucky?

I keep thinking of JonBenet Ramsey.

What an unhealthy state of affairs.

this is like one of those dumb scary movies where a doll that looks exactly like that girl in the picture sneaks up on you while you're sleeping, creepy

:eek:

Yes, scary.

We can not outlaw everything which is/might be disturbing...

I know, I was trying to give extremists a poll option. I voted "they should be legal, but I don't like them"

I'm scared. Those doll-kid things look like they'll break my head open with a lead pipe. Then, she'll eat my face and leave my corpse out in the sun to make imitation tofu. Tofu is people! Tofu is people! Those vegetarians won't eat cows, but they'll eat flavorless people? Those hypocritical bastards. They must be working with the doll-people. Here are some smilies as evidence.

:rolleyes: :cool: :upyours: :p :headbang: ;) :sniper: :D :mp5: :( :

As you can see, more smilies=more proof and more proof=correct.

I'm scared. -snip-

yeah, I get it you are scared.

can you add anything else? or is it just the smiley spam?

*is cranky because she can't sleep*

according to the local photography studio, they use "the latest computer software to enhance your child's natural features and beauty"

here is a sample of before and after

http://www.naturalbeautiescontest.homestead.com/retouching.jpg

Someone has no fucking clue how to correctly use photoshop in a photography setting

You should NOT get the creeps from the photo

I think they're pretty sick. Children should be playing and learning, not being sexualized.

One of my cousin is in these little beauty pageants for teen girls now. and I can't stand her. Every damn time we have a stupid family reunion, she expects to be the center of attention. Of course with me being 23, and her being well 14, I can't really tell her off like I do with other people that annoy me. What irks me about these stupid little beauty pageants, is that most of the little girls are in them because their moms are trying to live through their child. The moms were not 'good' enough to be in the contest themselves when they were little, so they live through their child. The the child that wins many awards (like my cousin) they get this smugness about themselves that just annoys everyone that actually has a brain. If I ever have a daughter and she wants to be in these pageants, I will be 100% against it. A child should be learning the fundamentals of life, not being turned into meat for pedophiles to beat off to.

For those who are wondering what I would say to my cousin if I could, this is what I would've said. Ok, look here Little Miss Sunshine, now I know that you think that you're beautiful and that the whole would should just stop and pay attention to your annoying ass. However, here's the bad news, beauty that are only skin deep are fleeting, when you turn 20, you'll be so used up and so sexed out that you'll litterly look like grandma, and you'll probably be addicted on anything from Beers to E. Ever wonder what lies ahead for you? Well just look at Brittney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Anna Nicole Smith. That's right, you will probably be dead at 39 from drug overdose. Twenty years down the road, what will you say about your life when you get to go home alone because you're too much of a bitch for anyone to even remotely tolerate you?

Either that or slap her.

I think it is disgusting how they make them like sexualized objects, like grown women, thats sickening. I mean how cna these mothers be making their daughters look almost like little hookers or something. I mean its overdone makeup, overdone everything. Putting little girls in bathing suits on a stage?!?!!

No girl under 15 should be wearing makeup like that, and even at 15 its sort of wrong but its our culture.

I think it is disgusting how they make them like sexualized objects, like grown women, thats sickening. I mean how cna these mothers be making their daughters look almost like little hookers or something. I mean its overdone makeup, overdone everything. Putting little girls in bathing suits on a stage?!?!!

No girl under 15 should be wearing makeup like that, and even at 15 its sort of wrong but its our culture.

I agree. And as said beforehand, before everyone else started stealing my idea :P

'It's even worse if you imagine 'it' with a knife and eating your nasal tubes'

Disturbing...and ummm well just plain disturbing really...

Do they do this in other countries? or is it just an American thing? They don't make much of adult beauty contests over in the UK anymore, they used to show 'Miss World' on TV, but they don't even do that now.

oh god that is so horrible, I think that it should be investigated by social services and Dr's and the parents should be psycho-analyzed.

Disturbing...and ummm well just plain disturbing really...

Do they do this in other countries? or is it just an American thing? They don't make much of adult beauty contests over in the UK anymore, they used to show 'Miss World' on TV, but they don't even do that now.

oh god that is so horrible, I think that it should be investigated by social services and Dr's and the parents should be psycho-analyzed.

Yeah I think it is just an American thing. They do still do the adult contests over here, but they arent aired on TV anymore.
I do believe they do it in India and Pakistan, like Miss India...

*shudders*

agreed, it is rather disturbing.

Serving up the peedo's pleasures in a contest. You can almost imagine them saliviating over the TV screens...eww

Tacky.

That just about sums it up. Another thing is that who is it really for the children or the parents? IMO its worryingly the parents who need to feel good about their children.

Tacky.

That just about sums it up. Another thing is that who is it really for the children or the parents? IMO its worryingly the parents who need to feel good about their children.

Yeah weve been through that...the parents are insecure about themselves so they try to make the child less insecure about themselves then the parent was and the child just ends up even more insecure...

I just find them unbelievably creepy. And these parents wonder why there seems to have been an increase in paedophilia cases reported? Maybe you should stop dressing your 5 your old kids up to look like 20 year old women...

Plus that picture Smunkee posted is just... I mean, shouldn't parents love their children for what they are, rather than try and improve them by adding fake stuff?

Said many times before...And will probably will continue to be said...

Ch ch ch ch chucky!

Does Racmaniov play the piano...I think he does but im not sure, a bit rusty on my theory :)

Its like...over here over the pond in England University fee's are an utter rip off. As you know we all go to Oxford expect to be paying £30k a year for the fees ($58k roughly) but we dont need to get money that way...oooh no, we do scholarships in subjects, such as English or History, or if you prove you can benefit your school in some way (such as being an exceptionally good piano player)

But we dont have child beauty pageants.

Actually i dont think theyre aired any more.


Rachmaninov was a skilled pianist.

Little girls aren't supposed to look like dolls, it's the other way around!

8 ft trophies are really a safety hazard. Have you ever met someone who had an 8 ft. trophy fall on them? NO! YOU HAVEN'T! BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL DEAD!

I can attest to this. I've seen an 8ft trophy go on a killing spree. 10 people died.

Rachmaninov was a skilled pianist.


I thought so, the guy im thinking off definately didnt play the piano...Im pretty sure it was Tchaivovsky...Im pretty sure that he composed but couldnt play the piano...Maybe it was Kabalvesky..To many names...but anyone if they know, id like to get an answer :)

I thought so, the guy im thinking off definately didnt play the piano...Im pretty sure it was Tchaivovsky...Im pretty sure that he composed but couldnt play the piano...Maybe it was Kabalvesky..To many names...but anyone if they know, id like to get an answer :)

I don't know, but google (www.google.com) does.

so, I know this kid, whom happens to run in a similar social circle as one of my daughters, who is way involved with these children's beauty pageants.

I don't even try to hide the fact that I am fundamentally against them when around the mom, who constantly tries to convince me that they are okay, good, proper and fun for her child.

this is NOT a picture of her child, but it may as well be, they all have these types of modified photos to enter the contest.... I only post it for your informational purposes and I do not know the kid in the picture.

http://www.universalroyalty.com/regan.JPG

so, apparently (according to the woman I know) there are two types of pageants, the ones that you pay to win, and the ones that you pay to enter but compete to win....

anyway, she isn't the only pageant mom I know, the things are pretty big around here, and it seems to me that 98% of the time it's the mom carting the kids around more than the kids wanting to participate.

what do you think about them?
I find beauty pageants in general to be sickening, and doubly so when children are involved. But I find a lot of elements of our culture sickening.

If these pagents were made illegal tomorrow, I would have no complaints.

I just find them unbelievably creepy. And these parents wonder why there seems to have been an increase in paedophilia cases reported? Maybe you should stop dressing your 5 your old kids up to look like 20 year old women...

Plus that picture Smunkee posted is just... I mean, shouldn't parents love their children for what they are, rather than try and improve them by adding fake stuff?

20 year old women who've had too much plastic surgery. The whole thing is perverse, unnatural and fucking weird. Anybody over the age of 18 involved is a freak, and anyone under a victim.

that girl...she looks like...a deer caught in headlights or something :p


I don't know, but google does.

what is this, google, you speak off :D thanks i forgot about that...

she looks like a creepy doll

Okay, I don't mean to hijack, but a lot of people are bringing up the issue of pedophiles. As I understand it, a pedophile is a person who is attracted to prepubescent (or peripubescent) children.

If that is the case, then making a child look like an adult would actually reduce the child's appeal to pedophiles, wouldn't it? The real problem would be that men who are normally attracted to adult women might respond to the "aged-up" child, wouldn't it?

Okay, I don't mean to hijack, but a lot of people are bringing up the issue of pedophiles. As I understand it, a pedophile is a person who is attracted to prepubescent (or peripubescent) children.

If that is the case, then making a child look like an adult would actually reduce the child's appeal to pedophiles, wouldn't it? The real problem would be that men who are normally attracted to adult women might respond to the "aged-up" child, wouldn't it?

I don't think your average garden variety hetrosexual man would ever mistake one of these girls for an adult woman. Not unless she's undergone some hugely altering and extremely well done surgery.

I think it is disgusting how they make them like sexualized objects, like grown women, thats sickening. I mean how cna these mothers be making their daughters look almost like little hookers or something. I mean its overdone makeup, overdone everything. Putting little girls in bathing suits on a stage?!?!!

No girl under 15 should be wearing makeup like that, and even at 15 its sort of wrong but its our culture.

I think we could a little further and say make-up is never needed.

I'm of the contention that if a woman wears make-up, she isn't confident in her natural beauty, though my mother has tried to convince me otherwise, and has failed miserably. I hate make-up; I really hate it. I'm one of those chicks who hates make-up to the point that I would be part of the lynch mob that raids a store and burns the stash.

My mother put make-up on me as a child and I hated it so much; it just felt like caked on gunk. That's all it is, just friggin' gunk.

I can see the need for certain beauty products, like cleansers, facial masks (peels), scrubs and anything that helps clean the pours, and creams to help sooth the skin. But make-up is... ick!

If I ever have a daughter, I would indoctrine the evils of make-up into her. I would teach her that true beauty requires no face paint and it's extremely natural to not look perfect. I know, it's extreme, but I still remember my mother repeatedly trying to force it on me, that and other really frilly girly shit... like bright colours and not cutting my hair. :headbang:

Physically beauty can be brought out in other ways other than with make-up.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days...

What is the difference here between the pageants parents and the parents who put their kids through turmoil to become golfers or tennis players?

Are we looking to ban golf or tennis or football? I don't think so.

what do you think about them?

Very much against. Both for the child's psychological wellbeing and because of the paedophilic nature of them.

I don't think your average garden variety hetrosexual man would ever mistake one of these girls for an adult woman. Not unless she's undergone some hugely altering and extremely well done surgery.
I'm not saying that they would actually mistake the child for an adult, but there are certain cues that are associated with adult female sexuality. Put those cues on a child, and you can get some mixed reactions from people who are most certainly not attracted to children.

That's my whole point. People who are attracted to CHILDREN are going to be less attracted to a kid who is made up in ways that deemphasize and hide their childishness. If somebody is attracted to a little kid who is made up to look like a grown-up sex-doll, then I don't know if that's the same thing as actual pedophilia.

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days...

What is the difference here between the pageants parents and the parents who put their kids through turmoil to become golfers or tennis players?

Are we looking to ban golf or tennis or football? I don't think so.

I think the difference lies with the sexualised aspect of pageants. Sports are seen in a different light because it has the child being active, which is positive in the eyes of today's world, especially given the childhood obesity rates.

But golf doesn't involve them making their children look like freaks through plastic surgery and photo doctoring, just through really dodgy clothes. :p

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days...

What is the difference here between the pageants parents and the parents who put their kids through turmoil to become golfers or tennis players?

Are we looking to ban golf or tennis or football? I don't think so.

Everything can be taken to extreme. These pageants start out that way. I know kids who spend 25-30 hours a week preparing for this. They are not happy, they are not focusing on values that I think are important either, but they aren't my kids.......so........anyway, I don't think they should be illegal, but I will discourage parents who ask me if I think it's a good idea.

A few of the mom's tell me that my kid should compete, because she is so beautiful that "she would barely need her photos doctored" but my kid has more important things to focus on, and her self esteem is too high to worry about what random adults might think of her eyelashes.

What is the difference here between the pageants parents and the parents who put their kids through turmoil to become golfers or tennis players?

1. The self-image issues
2. The paedophile factor

I once knew a girl that got 3rd in the Miss America pageant. I can't describe how beautiful she was even without makeup. And also a wonderful, down to earth, person. But she didn't do beauty pageants until about 17. She had other aspects to her life other than looks before entering a contest.

I just have to believe this is better than telling a child from birth that looks is the only thing they have to give society.

How nauseating. It is things like this that make me wish that people had to acquire a parenting license before being allowed to procreate.

I once knew a girl that got 3rd in the Miss America pageant. I can't describe how beautiful she was even without makeup. And also a wonderful, down to earth, person. But she didn't do beauty pageants until about 17. She had other aspects to her life other than looks before entering a contest.

I just have to believe this is better than telling a child from birth that looks is the only thing they have to give society.

And also by 17 im pretty sure she will have settled herself in pscycholgically aswell as physically blah....

Dam...As we tutor children so hard to be beautiful or immense at sports...

...Why dont we do it in academic subjects like maths?

If you are going to use sexualisation in this discussion then ages need to be defined. A 17 year old will be viewed as a sexual being...only someone who is quite perverse will view a 3 year old as sexual.

My own thoughts on these pageants are quite simple...I find the entire idea, concept and execution to be highly distasteful.

Everything can be taken to extreme. These pageants start out that way. I know kids who spend 25-30 hours a week preparing for this. They are not happy, they are not focusing on values that I think are important either, but they aren't my kids.......so........anyway, I don't think they should be illegal, but I will discourage parents who ask me if I think it's a good idea.

A few of the mom's tell me that my kid should compete, because she is so beautiful that "she would barely need her photos doctored" but my kid has more important things to focus on, and her self esteem is too high to worry about what random adults might think of her eyelashes.

what is the benefit to having doctored pictures, especially these ones that are so obviously (dementedly) altered and that no one looks like? its like submitting one of those big-eyed anime girls as your photo on a dating service. the deception is glaringly obvious as soon as someone sees you in real life.

its sick enough that girls wear false teeth and wigs. but to suggest to these girls that the standard of beauty is so warped as to be completely unattainable is nutz. (i guess it gets them ready for the adult world where all pictures of beautiful women are airbrushed.)

do they accept girls this young into the pagent on the basis of a creepy picture? doesnt that make the whole thing some kind of racket to scam money out of stupid mothers?

I've been thinking about this for a couple of days...

What is the difference here between the pageants parents and the parents who put their kids through turmoil to become golfers or tennis players?

Are we looking to ban golf or tennis or football? I don't think so.

there is no difference. a 3 year old doesnt belong in a golf, tennis or football tournament either. parents who are spending 20 hours a week making their pre-schooler practice for the next competition should be investigated by social services for potential abuse.

It's really nutty, but so is scientology, and that's legal, so I'm not going to interfere.

there is no difference. a 3 year old doesnt belong in a golf, tennis or football tournament either. parents who are spending 20 hours a week making their pre-schooler practice for the next competition should be investigated by social services for potential abuse.

Tiger Woods...would Tiger Woods have been the best golfer the world has ever seen had he not been allowed to play as a very young child?

Also remember that Woods was never pressured into golf...he made that decision...not his father.

Who knows...but if the child is enjoying itself I fail to see what abuse there is to the extent of calling social services..

Tiger Woods...would Tiger Woods have been the best golfer the world has ever seen had he not been allowed to play as a very young child?

Also remember that Woods was never pressured into golf...he made that decision...not his father.

Who knows...but if the child is enjoying itself I fail to see what abuse there is to the extent of calling social services..

Yeah but golf is barely making pedophiles saliviate over there TV screens, just waiting, waiting for the opportune moment...

Now them watching little girls in make up and wandering around and skirts might.

Yeah but golf is barely making pedophiles saliviate over there TV screens, just waiting, waiting for the opportune moment...

Now them watching little girls in make up and wandering around and skirts might.

Um...I think Bottle covered that one....

Yeah but golf is barely making pedophiles saliviate over there TV screens, just waiting, waiting for the opportune moment...

Now them watching little girls in make up and wandering around and skirts might.

you cant run your (or your childs) life on the basis of what might set off a pervert. pedophiles like small children. what they are wearing doesnt much matter.

the harm is in the psyche of the child who instead of running around chasing butterflies or learning how to make mud pies spends all day perfecting her runway walk or tennis serve. preschoolers have many things to learn that they cant learn while spending half of their waking hours being pressured by mommy to be perfect.

so, I know this kid, whom happens to run in a similar social circle as one of my daughters, who is way involved with these children's beauty pageants.

I don't even try to hide the fact that I am fundamentally against them when around the mom, who constantly tries to convince me that they are okay, good, proper and fun for her child.

this is NOT a picture of her child, but it may as well be, they all have these types of modified photos to enter the contest.... I only post it for your informational purposes and I do not know the kid in the picture.

http://www.universalroyalty.com/regan.JPG

so, apparently (according to the woman I know) there are two types of pageants, the ones that you pay to win, and the ones that you pay to enter but compete to win....

anyway, she isn't the only pageant mom I know, the things are pretty big around here, and it seems to me that 98% of the time it's the mom carting the kids around more than the kids wanting to participate.

what do you think about them?



Like the dance recital I went to ONCE for a friend's kid.... it's a pedophile's wet dream. Tiny kids are made up to look sexy, and in the case of the dance recital I saw, made to do bumps and grinds more appropriate to pole dancers at strip joints. I refuse to go to either anymore and think that if anyone thinks displaying a six year old like a hunk of meat to slavering wolves is appropriate, they need their fucking heads examined.

the kids get an 8ft trophy, a crown, some candy, and a $200 college scholarship.

And how much did the parents spend for that scholarship? May as well have just put some money in a college fund instead of pimping out their kids.