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Being my favorite Star Wars character, I am always interested in information about him. I was very upset that he died in Episode I. :( Anyway, my question is: If Qui-Gon Jinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qui_Gon_Jinn) had lived and took on Anakin as his apprentice, would Anakin have been kept from the Dark Side?

I think he would have because Qui-Gonn was more of a role-model for him than Obi-Wan. Also, there seemed a bit of...tension between Obi-Wan and Anakin. They cared for each other, but did not fully like or trust each other. They were forced together because of Qui-Gon's dying wish and the fear of a returning Dark Side.

So, what y'all think for this hopeful debate that deviates from the usual...

Speaking of Episode I, I've only watched it like four or five times at most because I lost my tape and the DVD is hard to find, except on the internet. I would like to get it now that I'm into Star Wars again. :)

no anakins mom and girlfriend would still have died turning him evil

When is this whole Star Wars thing finally going to peter out? Seriously, it's been thirty years. And the last three movies weren't even really that good.

When is this whole Star Wars thing finally going to peter out? Seriously, it's been thirty years. And the last three movies weren't even really that good.

They are all good, just Epis 1 and 2 weren't as good. TREKKIE!!! :upyours:

When is this whole Star Wars thing finally going to peter out? Seriously, it's been thirty years. And the last three movies weren't even really that good.

But... its Star Wars!

I think if it died out, the universe might just end.

This is the nerdiest thread since the days of "Your Favorite Star Trek" :p

In seriousness... we can't know. There might have been a whole range of different events.

Maybe George Lucas could help you.

Or since the "Your Favorite Star Trek Episode" thread thats up right now?

Being my favorite Star Wars character, I am always interested in information about him. I was very upset that he died in Episode I. :( Anyway, my question is: If Qui-Gon Jinn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qui_Gon_Jinn) had lived and took on Anakin as his apprentice, would Anakin have been kept from the Dark Side?

I think he would have because Qui-Gonn was more of a role-model for him than Obi-Wan. Also, there seemed a bit of...tension between Obi-Wan and Anakin. They cared for each other, but did not fully like or trust each other. They were forced together because of Qui-Gon's dying wish and the fear of a returning Dark Side.

So, what y'all think for this hopeful debate that deviates from the usual...

Speaking of Episode I, I've only watched it like four or five times at most because I lost my tape and the DVD is hard to find, except on the internet. I would like to get it now that I'm into Star Wars again. :)

This is the nerdiest thread since the days of "Your Favorite Star Trek" :p

In seriousness... we can't know. There might have been a whole range of different events.

Maybe George Lucas could help you.

My favorite character is Nute Gunray...that Jedi bastard interrupted a perfectly legitimate action against the Naboo. :mad:

But no, I doubt Anakin could have been saved. Qui-Gonn would have been a better teacher for him, but regardless the things that pushed him to the dark side would still have occurred. I think he was just too strong in the force and too vulnerable to that corruption for that to be avoided. Anakin was just too proud and too desiring of power; even though he probably would have had a stronger relationship with Qui-Gonn than Obi-Wan, he still would have fallen prey to the dark side.

Though watching the Trekkies debating over whether the original episodes or the "For 40 year-olds who live with their parents" special edition *jk there* was better was truly a display of nerderie.

IMO, Star Wars falls more towards geek than nerd, and Star Trek vice versa.

Or since the "Your Favorite Star Trek Episode" thread thats up right now?

Didn't see it at time of post, but yeah. I guess.

Though watching the Trekkies debating over whether the original episodes or the "For 40 year-olds who live with their parents" special edition *jk there* was better was truly a display of nerderie.

They are all good, just Epis 1 and 2 weren't as good.
Come on! It was just a bunch of eye candy, merchandising, and thinly-veiled political commentary. Plus a pinch of pseudo-Jamaican racism. :p

TREKKIE!!! :upyours:
I actually like Star Trek even less, if that's possible.

No, the question is more if Qui-Gon could have taken on Palapatine, and the answer to that is no. If Yoda couldn't do it, the Emperor would have still taken Anakin.

However, given Qui-Gon got himself chopped in half by Maul, chances are that he would have never been able to withstand Vader.

Hmm... that would have been interesting as a whole Vader would have been far more powerful than the Emperor and could have easily dispose him. He might never have been turned back by Luke in that case.

Come on! It was just a bunch of eye candy, merchandising, and thinly-veiled political commentary. Plus a pinch of pseudo-Jamaican racism.

That sounds exactly like Star Trek...sans pseudo-Jamaican racism. :confused:

IMO, Star Wars falls more towards geek than nerd, and Star Trek vice versa.

Nerd, geek... same point.

Hmm... that would have been interesting as a whole Vader would have been far more powerful than the Emperor and could have easily dispose him. He might never have been turned back by Luke in that case.

I don't know, actually. Vader striking down the Emperor would've been an act of anger and hatred that would have likely eliminated the last of his good nature and prevented him from ever being reclaimed. He would have been even more evil than Palpatine and even more powerful.

Remember, Darth Maul's training was completed when he attacked Sidious; that was the final test of his corruption to the Dark Side, and it would be the same with Anakin.

Nerd, geek... same point.

No, there's actually a big difference. ;)

That sounds exactly like Star Trek...sans pseudo-Jamaican racism. :confused:
I don't recall saying that I like Star Trek.

In fact, I distinctly recall saying that I don't like Star Trek.

"Just because Sel Appa says it doesn't make it true." :p

I don't know, actually. Vader striking down the Emperor would've been an act of anger and hatred that would have likely eliminated the last of his good nature and prevented him from ever being reclaimed. He would have been even more evil than Palpatine and even more powerful.
So it pretty much was a good thing that Qui-Gon bit the dust.

Maybe he could have been around long enough to explain why Obi Wan told Anakin's son that he was trained by Yoda and didn't start until he was in his late teens.

Or why it would have made more sense for the young aspiring pilot to build an astro droid instead of a protocol droid which would have then actually added something to the original movies since R2-D2 drove most of those films and was remarkable even in the narrative of the film so that if it turned out that R2 was made by Anakin it would make sense that R2 was that motivated.

But I digress...

If he was alive then Viceroy would kill him because he's the greatest Star Wars character of all time.

"But my lord, is that, leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeGAL?"

"What is... GOING ON DOWN THERE?!?!"

"I DON'T KNOW!"

"Somebody shoot them or something!"

"All batteries fire! FIRE!"

and my favorite, "CLOSE THE BLAST DOORS!!"

You really can't top his voice (well the Viceroy people as a whole) and the way he stresses his vowels.

I don't recall saying that I like Star Trek.

In fact, I distinctly recall saying that I don't like Star Trek.

I know, I'm just mentioning it.

"Just because Sel Appa says it doesn't make it true." :p

Lies!

Maybe he could have been around long enough to explain why Obi Wan told Anakin's son that he was trained by Yoda and didn't start until he was in his late teens.

Or why it would have made more sense for the young aspiring pilot to build an astro droid instead of a protocol droid which would have then actually added something to the original movies since R2-D2 drove most of those films and was remarkable even in the narrative of the film so that if it turned out that R2 was made by Anakin it would make sense that R2 was that motivated.

But I digress...

R2 was built already.

No, there's actually a big difference. ;)

Nerdy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1384277706451157121&q=White+nerdy&hl=en

If he was alive then Viceroy would kill him because he's the greatest Star Wars character of all time.

YES! Someone else who recognizes the greatness of Viceroy Nute Gunray.

You really can't top his voice (well the Viceroy people as a whole) and the way he stresses his vowels.

Neimoidians ftw. They're greedy, obsequious cowards....just like me.

Is that something to be proud of?

Nerdy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1384277706451157121&q=White+nerdy&hl=en

That is an epic video.

That is an epic video.

Indeed. Almost thread-worthy.

R2 was built already.

Yessss....

But it would have been better and made more narrative sense if R2 had been built by Anakin instead.

It came from..... behind.... ROFLCOPTOR!

Perhaps...

Or perhaps R2's mind would've been wiped at the end of E3 as C-3PO's was.

Well yes it would have, if they wanted to abandon the narrative work they had created by having Anakin build R2...

Yessss....

But it would have been better and made more narrative sense if R2 had been built by Anakin instead.

Perhaps...

Or perhaps R2's mind would've been wiped at the end of E3 as C-3PO's was.

1st off, Obi wan was a far better teacher than Qui Gon, IMO. Anakin was doomed from the start. The guidance of the council and his best friend couldn't save him from his fears, suffer, and anger, so why would Qui Gon be able to do so?

Maybe he could have been around long enough to explain why Obi Wan told Anakin's son that he was trained by Yoda and didn't start until he was in his late teens.

Or why it would have made more sense for the young aspiring pilot to build an astro droid instead of a protocol droid which would have then actually added something to the original movies since R2-D2 drove most of those films and was remarkable even in the narrative of the film so that if it turned out that R2 was made by Anakin it would make sense that R2 was that motivated.

But I digress...

He built a protocol droid for his mother, to help with the chores. I wonder who did build R2D2... hmmm anyone know?

He built a protocol droid for his mother, to help with the chores. I wonder who did build R2D2... hmmm anyone know?

Industrial Automaton built R2. He was a standard R-series droid.

He built a protocol droid for his mother, to help with the chores. I wonder who did build R2D2... hmmm anyone know?

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Just so I'm sure we're all on the same page...we all know that this is made up, yes? A story? And that it can be told pretty much anyway? Yes?

He built a protocol droid for his mother, to help with the chores. I wonder who did build R2D2... hmmm anyone know?

I know why he said he did it...I watched the movie. It was a lame excuse and added nothing to the overall narrative since C3P-0 was not a motivator for the story and just a passenger, so that when C3P-0 and R2 then become part of the story again it's sort of ridiculous coincidence instead of something narratively interesting like the genius Anakin child making R2 and perhaps in a brief moment of clarity before subcoming to the darkside tasking R2 to look after his child no matter what-thus linking up and adding depth to the original films instead of what happened.

I know why he said he did it...I watched the movie. It was a lame excuse and added nothing to the overall narrative since C3P-0 was not a motivator for the story and just a passenger, so that when C3P-0 and R2 then become part of the story again it's sort of ridiculous coincidence instead of something narratively interesting like the genius Anakin child making R2 and perhaps in a brief moment of clarity before subcoming to the darkside tasking R2 to look after his child no matter what-thus linking up and adding depth to the original films instead of what happened.

It would have, but then again Luke would have never been able to get R2 in the first place if that R4 unit hadn't malfunctioned, and also if the escape pod carrying R2/C3P-0 hadn't landed on Tatooine. The entire encounter between them was pretty much random chance.

Really, C3P-0 and R2 should've been worked in to another part of the story rather than try and tie them to Anakin.

Speaking of Episode I, I've only watched it like four or five times at most because I lost my tape and the DVD is hard to find, except on the internet. I would like to get it now that I'm into Star Wars again. :)

I'm happy to say that I never, ever bought Episode One.

I got all the others at a great price, so I own them, fortunately I didn't buy one.

My favorite character is Nute Gunray...that Jedi bastard interrupted a perfectly legitimate action against the Naboo. :mad:

But no, I doubt Anakin could have been saved. Qui-Gonn would have been a better teacher for him, but regardless the things that pushed him to the dark side would still have occurred. I think he was just too strong in the force and too vulnerable to that corruption for that to be avoided. Anakin was just too proud and too desiring of power; even though he probably would have had a stronger relationship with Qui-Gonn than Obi-Wan, he still would have fallen prey to the dark side.

Actually, this makes me think of another point. Anakin wanted a mentor who cared about him(even in an evil plotting way) and that he chose. Qui-Gon would have provided this and he wouldn't have swayed.

No, the question is more if Qui-Gon could have taken on Palapatine, and the answer to that is no. If Yoda couldn't do it, the Emperor would have still taken Anakin.

However, given Qui-Gon got himself chopped in half by Maul, chances are that he would have never been able to withstand Vader.

Hmm... that would have been interesting as a whole Vader would have been far more powerful than the Emperor and could have easily dispose him. He might never have been turned back by Luke in that case.

Maul was extremely well-trained and disciplined. He used a Sith trick that is seen for a split-second: knocking your opponents chin with the hilt to disorient him for a few precious seconds. Qui-Gon was stunned by the hit and Maul just swept through.

IMO, Star Wars falls more towards geek than nerd, and Star Trek vice versa.

I hate when people say this. It's just a cult following lik Harry Potter, Hitchhiker's Guide, JRRRRRR Tolkien, Jimi Hendrix, etc...

Just so I'm sure we're all on the same page...we all know that this is made up, yes? A story? And that it can be told pretty much anyway? Yes?



I know why he said he did it...I watched the movie. It was a lame excuse and added nothing to the overall narrative since C3P-0 was not a motivator for the story and just a passenger, so that when C3P-0 and R2 then become part of the story again it's sort of ridiculous coincidence instead of something narratively interesting like the genius Anakin child making R2 and perhaps in a brief moment of clarity before subcoming to the darkside tasking R2 to look after his child no matter what-thus linking up and adding depth to the original films instead of what happened.

C-3P0*

Star Wars is real!!!

Another thing to add is that R2-D2 is the only character who has seen everything and knows the whole story. It is hypthesized that the Saga may be from his pount of view.

It would have, but then again Luke would have never been able to get R2 in the first place if that R4 unit hadn't malfunctioned, and also if the escape pod carrying R2/C3P-0 hadn't landed on Tatooine. The entire encounter between them was pretty much random chance.

Really, C3P-0 and R2 should've been worked in to another part of the story rather than try and tie them to Anakin.
With R2-D2 being built and tasked by Anakin then its chance encounter on Tattoine with Luke would tie in more with profecy and destiny and the Force etc. (of course, in order for this last part to happen they would have also had to have not demystified the Force by explaining it as a bacterial infection...) than a random encounter.

C-3P0*

Star Wars is real!!!

Another thing to add is that R2-D2 is the only character who has seen everything and knows the whole story. It is hypthesized that the Saga may be from his pount of view.
Exactly! (I've actually made this argument before) So it would have made much more narrative sense overall if he was making R2 instead of 3PO.

With R2-D2 being built and tasked by Anakin then its chance encounter on Tattoine with Luke would tie in more with profecy and destiny and the Force etc. (of course, in order for this last part to happen they would have also had to have not demystified the Force by explaining it as a bacterial infection...) than a random encounter.

Exactly! (I've actually made this argument before) So it would have made much more narrative sense overall if he was making R2 instead of 3PO.

I think it makes more sense if he already existed.

I want to point something out. Qui-Gon was not cut in half, he was stabbed in the torso with one side of Darth Maul's double bladed lightsaber. It was Obi-Wan that cut Darth Maul in half (with Qui-Gon's lightsaber).

Just so I'm sure we're all on the same page...we all know that this is made up, yes?

Exactly what part of "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" do you not understand?

Nuh-uh. Qui-Gon was regarded as a rogue by most of the Jedi Council, often doing things according to his own moral compass on what was right. Dooku, his former master, was the same and fell to the dark side.

Since Anakin was often in conflict with the Jedi Council and later betrayed them in order follow his own ideas (well, he thought they were his own, but it was Palpatine, of course) on what was the best for the galaxy (his desire to bring "peace") reflects a similar line of thinking, Anakin's fall would only have been speeded up by having Qui-Gon as his mentor, by encouraging him to stick to his own gut feelings rather than following the tutelage of the jedi council.

Oh dear. *washes off the geekiness*

Nuh-uh. Qui-Gon was regarded as a rogue by most of the Jedi Council, often doing things according to his own moral compass on what was right. Dooku, his former master, was the same and fell to the dark side.

Since Anakin was often in conflict with the Jedi Council and later betrayed them in order follow his own ideas (well, he thought they were his own, but it was Palpatine, of course) on what was the best for the galaxy (his desire to bring "peace") reflects a similar line of thinking, Anakin's fall would only have been speeded up by having Qui-Gon as his mentor, by encouraging him to stick to his own gut feelings rather than following the tutelage of the jedi council.

Oh dear. *washes off the geekiness*

For the love of cheeese, talking about Star Wars is not geeky, nerdy, or anything of the fucking sort.

Qui-Gon was a little more unorthodox and might have been a better Jedi. The Jedi were still with the Chancellor and the Senate until the end almost. Dooku was more of a Dark Jedi, which follows Jedi practices and training but are under the Dark Side of the Force. The Sith is a Dark Side force like the Jedi are a light side is.

They are all good, just Epis 1 and 2 weren't as good. TREKKIE!!! :upyours:

The movie where he kills his wife on a whim as part of his activities intended to prevent his wife's death was good?

The movie where he kills his wife on a whim as part of his activities intended to prevent his wife's death was good?

Scary and tear-jerking, but good. :)

Scary and tear-jerking, but good. :)

The premise was OK, I just don't think it was put into film very well. They needed to spend more time on his turn to the dark side. Say, compress eps 1 and 2 into a single film and expand 3 into two films.