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Lights Out For Australia

Londim
20-02-2007, 23:14
Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1851776.htm)


Turnbull to pull plug on light bulbs
Federal Environment Minister Malcolm Turnbull is announcing today that conventional, incandescent light bulbs are to be phased out over the next three years and replaced with energy-saving globes.

He says this will save up to two million tonnes of carbon dioxide emissions in Australia over the next few years.

Mr Turnbull has told AM that new energy standards will be introduced.

"It'll be illegal to sell a product that doesn't meet the energy standard so that'll happen by 2009, 2010, and so by that stage you simply won't be able to buy incandescent light bulbs because they won't meet the energy standard," he said.

Mr Turnbull told Channel Nine this action could also make an enormous impact globally.

"If the rest of the world supports us, does what we've been doing here, follows our lead, this will reduce an amount of energy, in effect make the world more energy efficient to the tune of five times as much energy as Australia consumes, so this is a little thing but it's a massive change," he said.

'Baby step'

Environment Victoria's Tricia Phelan it is only a small step forward.

"It's going to save the average family around $30 a year for each globe, because they are around 80 per cent more efficient," she said.

"However the Government does need to do more on climate change, this is a baby step, a good baby step, but we need much bigger steps in the right direction."

The Queensland Greens have welcomed the plan.

Greens spokesman Drew Hutton says he cannot see the plan causing problems for people who still use the bulbs.

"As long as you've got a proper phase in period, and as long as you've got the alternatives there, then I don't think there'll be much difficulty at all," he said.

"This is one of the easiest things in fact, that is going to be able to be done.

"A lot of people are shifting over from incandescent light bulbs already.

"I don't think we've got any left in my house, for example."

Mr Hutton hopes this is just the first of a number of initiatives by the Government to tackle global warming.

"If that's all that's being done by Government, and if they continue with old methods like ensuring that most of our power comes from coal-fired power stations, then I'm afraid we're going anywhere near far enough along the road to being globally responsible with greenhouse gas emissions," he said.

The Government is not the first to flag a ban on incandescent bulbs; last month, lawmakers in California proposed a bill to phase out the traditional light bulbs in the state by 2012.


Well not literally...

So what do you guys think?
Neu Leonstein
20-02-2007, 23:30
I think Turnbull is positioning himself for PM at the election after this year's.
Kryozerkia
20-02-2007, 23:46
I think it's a load of political horse manure and it's stinkin' up the place.
Zagat
21-02-2007, 01:04
Seems a reasonable policy to me providing the devil of the detail can be satisfactory anticipated and appropriately addressed.
Laerod
21-02-2007, 01:07
So what do you guys think?It's a start.
Vetalia
21-02-2007, 01:08
If Australia cuts the CO2 produced by waste, it can expand power supplies like coal or natural gas without causing an increase in greenhouse gases. For a nation that has rich deposits of these resources, it would be advisable to cut emissions in as many places as possible so as not to damage these industries.
Nobel Hobos
21-02-2007, 01:35
I'm sorry to say that I actually don't like the damn things. Whatever colour they're tinted, the light is still recognizably fluorescent. I use 'em, but I don't like 'em.

A strict efficiency standard is the way to go, though. We may find an alternative to compact fluorescents (the radiofrequency ones I believe still use the fluorescent effect, haven't seen one) and such an solution wouldn't have a chance in the market until the incandescents are gone.

EDIT: The Wikipedia entry (they're called CFL, compact fluorescent light) is pretty comprehensive. It seems to bear out my gut feeling that these things will never produce a full-spectrum light, but they're getting better. LED's don't either, but the own CFL's for efficiency.
Boonytopia
21-02-2007, 11:50
I already use them in my house.

I think Turnbull is positioning himself for PM at the election after this year's.

If the conservatives win power, Turnbull might be the least worst outcome. At least we'd get the republic back on the agenda.
Hamilay
21-02-2007, 11:55
Great, better than nothing.
Turquoise Days
21-02-2007, 11:56
I thought the current government was all "Climate Change doesn't exist"?
Luporum
21-02-2007, 12:00
This shocks me coming from one out of the two opposers of the Kyoto Treaty.
Proggresica
21-02-2007, 12:20
If the conservatives win power, Turnbull might be the least worst outcome. At least we'd get the republic back on the agenda.

Agreed. The more I hear from and about him the more I like him. Costello would be none too happy though.
Kanabia
21-02-2007, 12:36
I think it's good news.
Boonytopia
21-02-2007, 12:51
I thought the current government was all "Climate Change doesn't exist"?

This shocks me coming from one out of the two opposers of the Kyoto Treaty.

The election this year looms as being a close one, Australia is currently going through its worst drought in a century & the conservatives realise climate change is a major issue with voters. I don't think they've really changed their skeptical view on climate change & greenhouse emissions, it's just political pragmatism at its best/worst.
Neu Leonstein
21-02-2007, 12:56
If the conservatives win power, Turnbull might be the least worst outcome. At least we'd get the republic back on the agenda.
Exactly. Plus, his idea on tax reform are something to celebrate.
Nobel Hobos
21-02-2007, 12:59
I thought the current government was all "Climate Change doesn't exist"?

Howard acknowledges that emissions cause global warming. He is no longer an eco-skeptic, hooray.
A statement he made about drought being the same as climate change was a mistake and was retracted.
Nobel Hobos
21-02-2007, 14:01
By moving his position on climate change and rhapsodising about Kyoto 2 (an imaginary 'better, fairer' Kyoto Agreement the government has fabricated,) Howard kills two birds with one stone: they add green issues to the agenda, diluting the other major issues they're losing on, and he demonstrates that his government is not a puppet of the US.

It's that or the war. He's got to move on one of those, can't move on both.

I hope the Coalition sticks to it's Iraq policy to the next election (probably late this year.) It's a major issue (could be the deciding one) and it being their mistake, they should go to the people on it.
Also a landslide defeat with Iraq the major issue would obligate Rudd to actually do what he says he will do. He seems like the sort who will need a mandate rammed up his arse to actually do much.

I'm calling Rudd by 10-15 seats over Costello. A whole bunch of Greens in the Senate, easily a balance of power, and Bob Brown on the news a lot.

Yeah, Costello. It's a long bow to draw, I know, but we already know the guy quite well, trust him a bit without liking him. And Howard's last few years in the job have been based on one thing only: his popularity. Which is burning to the ground.
Proggresica
21-02-2007, 14:24
By moving his position on climate change and rhapsodising about Kyoto 2 (an imaginary 'better, fairer' Kyoto Agreement the government has fabricated,) Howard kills two birds with one stone: they add green issues to the agenda, diluting the other major issues they're losing on, and he demonstrates that his government is not a puppet of the US.

It's that or the war. He's got to move on one of those, can't move on both.

I hope the Coalition sticks to it's Iraq policy to the next election (probably late this year.) It's a major issue (could be the deciding one) and it being their mistake, they should go to the people on it.
Also a landslide defeat with Iraq the major issue would obligate Rudd to actually do what he says he will do. He seems like the sort who will need a mandate rammed up his arse to actually do much.

I'm calling Rudd by 10-15 seats over Costello. A whole bunch of Greens in the Senate, easily a balance of power, and Bob Brown on the news a lot.

Yeah, Costello. It's a long bow to draw, I know, but we already know the guy quite well, trust him a bit without liking him. And Howard's last few years in the job have been based on one thing only: his popularity. Which is burning to the ground.

If Costello takes over before the election, will he also get a honeymoon period like opposition leaders do?
Nobel Hobos
21-02-2007, 15:01
If Costello takes over before the election, will he also get a honeymoon period like opposition leaders do?

Honeymoons don't last through elections ... Latham being the prime example.

Cynically, I was imagining Costello getting the job because they were going to lose. He's Howard's bitch, after all :p

EDIT (23/02/2007): Phillip Adams is funny. "It's more like a choice between chips and mashed potato. Either way you get a spud."
Turns into a tirade against Howard for a while in the middle, then:Clearly there has been a Kirribilli deal. It's the only plausible explanation for Howard's erratic behaviour. The alternative is too awful to contemplate.

The Howard myth is based on three things. His legendary luck, his cunning as a strategist and his ability to sniff the political winds.

If his luck has run out, if he has a bad cold and has lost the plot, he's finished. As one of his loyal supporters, I prefer the conspiracy theory.
Proggresica
21-02-2007, 22:53
Honeymoons don't last through elections ... Latham being the prime example.

Cynically, I was imagining Costello getting the job because they were going to lose. He's Howard's bitch, after all :p

lol. Speaking of which did anyone happen to read Phillip Adams' column (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21252151-12272,00.html) in The Australian on Tuesday? Pretty funny. He suggests that Howard is actually trying to hand the election over to Rudd to make himself look better.

And lol again at this on the Australian's homepage and probably front page:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5396343,00.jpg
Soluis
21-02-2007, 23:10
I think Australia should build a massive load of solar panels in the Northern Territory. Just smack a load of them down in the middle of the desert and run a pipeline to the cities.