NationStates Jolt Archive

By government, I mean ALL aspects of your government, not the legislature or executive or whatever, but every branch and bureaucracy and whatever. Do you feel that it is satisfactory, and why?

My Government is teh sux0r.

Well, our setup is pretty good, but the people in it are not terribly clever.

By government, I mean ALL aspects of your government, not the legislature or executive or whatever, but every branch and bureaucracy and whatever. Do you feel that it is satisfactory, and why?

I liked my previous Social Democratic goverment but I totally dislike this new right wing goverment that got elected in september last year. Hopefully I will only have to live under it to the next election which is in september 2010.

I despise the Canadian government and I can't wait for the damn Conservatives to be toppled in a non-confidence motion. It'll happen. The attack ads will piss off the Grits enough to topple the minority government and Harper has pissed off enough Canadians with his bald-face hypocrisy and his unwillingness to listen to the Canadian public, and answer to the media.

any government that isn't run by me is automatically a no hoper.

'Tis half-arsed, but seems to do a relatively good job.

'Tis half-arsed, but seems to do a relatively good job.

Well they couldn't really screw up to much considering that the Social Democrats left behind a great economy to them.

It does okay. It could do a lot better, but it hasn't killed us all yet.

It's in need of work, shall we say :D

"meh" is all I say. It's not bad at running things, but it's nowhere near perfect either.

It does okay. It could do a lot better, but it hasn't killed us all yet.

Well let's just see about that!

*Presses red button*

The set up today in the UK is appalling, and in need of major reform; there is far too much executive domination.

The set up today in the UK is appalling, and in need of major reform; there is far too much executive domination.

Hence the use of the term "elected dictatorship" to describe our system.

Hence the use of the term "elected dictatorship" to describe our system.

Indeed, although even the 'elected' bit of that is slightly dodgy; 'supported by a few people up north' is probably a more accurate description of the current state of affairs. I have hope that it will change soon, though; getting on with reform of the Lords, and having a proper, strong, second chamber would be an excellent start to addressing the power imbalance.

Overall, I'd have to give my governmental system a C+.

In general, I think Canada has a good system which has provided a high-quality of life for most of our people, while remaining an economically strong nation. We are basically free to express ourselves, liberal socially, and have access to a well-respected health care system (even if it's in need of some fixing.)

It is however, far from perfect, and definitely needs improvement.

First and foremost, our first past the post electoral system has to go. In a nation with the geographical divisions that we have, combined with our multi-party system, ends up with governments that have the endorsement of less than half of voters, which still may end up with a majority government.

Worst of all, once in power, even with less than half of the electors consent, the leader of the ruling party runs with very few checks or balances to their power. The Senate is essentially an expensive rubber-stamping process, and the idea of representing your constituency goes out the window due to the heavy use of party politics in Canada. The Party Whips run our country.

Furthermore, this has degenerated into a point where parties consistently can promise whatever they want, as long as they feel that vote-splitting can give them enough seats to stay in power. The Liberals, for example, promised to remove the GST and end Free Trade once in power. Instead, they embraced both. And had three consectuive majorities. Time will tell what will happen with the Conservatives, but I don't trust them with a majority either.

Bottom line is, something has to be done about our antiquated electoral system. A democratic system that doesn't accurately reflect the opinions and aspirations of the electorate is worse than useless, because it's a sham. We are essentially run by banks, who lead around the major parties by the nose.

I've also come to believe that the Free Trade agreement was a mistake. The more we get economically intertwined with the United States, the more we become dependant on them, and the more we lose our ability to exercise our legislative options over our own economic destiny, which goes hand in hand with our environmental destiny, since we are largely a resource-based economy.

We are rapidly losing control of our political, economic, and environmental self-management. Canada's wonderful, but if we want to keep it that way, we need to make some changes.

Indeed, although even the ‘elected’ bit of that is slightly dodgy; ‘supported by a few people up north’ is probably a more accurate description of the current state of affairs. I have hope that it will change soon, though; getting on with reform of the Lords, and having a proper, strong, second chamber would be an excellent start to addressing the power imbalance.
Hear hear! An elected second chamber combined with a reform of the voting system is what we need.

Still looking for a legacy Mr Blair?

By government, I mean ALL aspects of your government, not the legislature or executive or whatever, but every branch and bureaucracy and whatever. Do you feel that it is satisfactory, and why?

I'm not going to answer that question because I know you're just using this as yet another insane rant against government of any sort. :p

My government sucks pretty bad, but it is better than most alternatives.

I could be getting screwed by two governments.

As far as I am concerned "my" government can go crawl under a rock and die. That'll be the best thing it could possibly do. In fact, I'd gladly pay it taxes to go and do just that. :)

My government sucks pretty bad, but it is better than most alternatives.

I could be getting screwed by two governments.
Threesome? :eek:

As far as I am concerned "my" government can go crawl under a rock and die. That'll be the best thing it could possibly do. In fact, I'd gladly pay it taxes to go and do just that. :)


Threesome? :eek:

Rotisserie style

I want it to be overthrown.

What does that tell you?

Rotisserie style
Haven't heard that one before... what does it involve?

Haven't heard that one before... what does it involve?

It doesn't take too much imagination, but if you can't guess:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rotisserie+style

there are so few abilities to modify it - need more options or decisions for leadership to make - my country could be run so much more horribly if only i had the options.

Meh... not particuarly thrilled by either the US or Japanese governments as a whole, there's a lot that could be done better; but it could also be very much worse.

And no, this does not mean that I think we should abolish them either before you get started on that again.

It doesn't take too much imagination, but if you can't guess:
Quite clear now. :) Still, how exactly would 2 governments end up screwing you if I may ask? By warring?


And no, this does not mean that I think we should abolish them either before you get started on that again.
I have neither the inclination nor the energy to do so these days, so no worries. :p

Quite clear now. :) Still, how exactly would 2 governments end up screwing you if I may ask? By warring?

The US's relationship with Middle Eastern dictatorships would show one way.

Bush isn't great, but at least he's not a rapist that leaves nuclear codes at the laundromat. The US current government pretty much stinks, but it's not all bad.

'My' government (UK), needs to go. Its too old and is just getting useless. Sure no government can please everyone, but they seem to be pissing everybody off. My one biggest gripe is the new Moderniseing Medical Careers crap they are bringing in. Its being done far too quickly for anyones good with out any thought to the fact that fast tracking a bunch of doctors to the system is going to cause problems when they bottleneck with all the doctors on the old system. I just hope it sorts itself by the time I'm in that kind of position, but if it doesn't i'm moving to Ireland and the government can have wasted another half a million. Serves them right.

By government, I mean ALL aspects of your government, not the legislature or executive or whatever, but every branch and bureaucracy and whatever. Do you feel that it is satisfactory, and why?

We give too much money to corporations and we don't get out of it what we put in. That said, it could easily be a lot worse than it is.

By government, I mean ALL aspects of your government, not the legislature or executive or whatever, but every branch and bureaucracy and whatever. Do you feel that it is satisfactory, and why?

I love my Government. no matter how bad it gets, it will correct itself. thus, unlike some other governments, it can actually give people a taste of not only what they think they want, but also what they really want.

it can show, without risk to being perminent, the dangers of extremism on either end of the spectrum.

and most importantly... it works the way it was designed to work... by not working.

My government is big into welfare statism, but we recently got a new conservative government elected, so I'm voting for "needs improvement" with the optimistic hope that improvement will indeed happen.

there is nothing any government can do to make me like it.

I absolutely despise my government. I would wish for a military coup, except that those rarely improve things (though there are rare exceptions).

On an unrelated note, according to the poll, I'm the only one who voted that likes pudding! :eek:

I'm not going to answer that question because I know you're just using this as yet another insane rant against government of any sort. :p

Ah! You've figured me out. Well done. :)

I want it to be overthrown.

What does that tell you?

It tells me I agree with you! No!

I absolutely despise my government. I would wish for a military coup, except that those rarely improve things (though there are rare exceptions).

I really can't think of any. Unnecessary violence tends to breed unnecessary violence, y'know.

On an unrelated note, according to the poll, I'm the only one who voted that likes pudding! :eek:

Odd. Usually pudding is one of the contenders for the top in my polls. Where's Bill Cosby when you need him?

We changed from one government to another and nothing really changed, except that I'm really saving few more pennies when I buy something :D, thank you Mr. Harper. Now if I were a millionaire, I would be saving thousands instead of pennies but still thank you Mr. Harper. He's really out for the short man isn't he?

The government that governs best, governs least.

Untill my government starts doing that, the only recognition I give it is that it gets the job done, for the most part.

Could be better, could be worse.

I don't really care too much since I honestly don't interact with the government all that much; I'm in college and jobless so I pay no income taxes, and I don't need to get a new passport or anything like that so my interaction with the government is indirect at most.

It tells me I agree with you! No!

It's been a worrying trend of late.... ;)

I really can't think of any. Unnecessary violence tends to breed unnecessary violence, y'know.

I can only think of two coups that did good: Joseph Mobutu's first coup in 1960 (where he overthrew the prime minister and president and immediately handed control of the government over to highly qualified university graduates) and the 1966 coup in Ghana (where the military deposed a corrupt dictator, cleaned things up, and then stepped down and held elections, just as promised).

I can only think of two coups that did good: Joseph Mobutu's first coup in 1960 (where he overthrew the prime minister and president and immediately handed control of the government over to highly qualified university graduates) and the 1966 coup in Ghana (where the military deposed a corrupt dictator, cleaned things up, and then stepped down and held elections, just as promised).

I'd say the Tanzanian overthrow of Idi Amin in 1978 (I'm not 100% on the exact date) would be another one, although that was more of an invasion than a coup from within since most of the military deserted or fled. It was a coup in the sense that the former leadership was overthrown and a new one installed.

I feel that a strong is for the by the people but not against the people and a country without God at roots will fail. As for military might my military should state that!

I'd say the Tanzanian overthrow of Idi Amin in 1978 (I'm not 100% on the exact date) would be another one, although that was more of an invasion than a coup from within since most of the military deserted or fled. It was a coup in the sense that the former leadership was overthrown and a new one installed.

1979. That wasn't a coup, though. And when Amin's successors refused to toe the same line as President Nyerere, he put Milton Obote (dictator of Uganda 1962-1971) back in charge. Which led to several more years of upheaval and an additional hundreds of thousands of deaths.

I could go on a rant, but I think we've all heard that tune before, so I'll just give it a letter grade...

D+

Unnecessary violence tends to breed unnecessary violence, y'know.

How do you intend to introduce your anarcho-capitalist paradise?

Ask the state politely to privatize itself?

How do you intend to introduce your anarcho-capitalist paradise?

Ask the state politely to privatize itself?

lol

huh... if our government played by the official rules, such as they are, and actually entrenched the entrenching law.... [most of our 'constitution' such as it is, is simply entrenched law. and the law that entrenches it is not, it's self, entrenched... oys :eek: :confused: ]

as designed, the unicameral mmp constitutional monarchy with the executive drawn from the legislature [which is popularly elected] but run by the monarch or their representative... it'd Work. heck, it Did work.

these days, so long as they can keep on top of their party's internal issues... the leader of the party that can get the most seats to back it promptly after the elections is the PM, and they basically run ... well.. everything. which Doesn't work, for a very large number of reasons.

so... yeah, the government gets a definite "meh" ... it sucks. quite badly. but it works well enough for the nation to keep functioning and for it's spiral of decay to be... very slow.... so it's better than most in the world. [apparently rated 'least corrupt in the world', too... which, honestly, says more about how much other governments suck than how good ours is.]

No.

How do you intend to introduce your anarcho-capitalist paradise?

Ask the state politely to privatize itself?

Agorism (http://agorism.info/NewLibertarianManifesto.pdf)

Or we order it to dissolve itself democratically.

Agorism (http://agorism.info/NewLibertarianManifesto.pdf)

Or we order it to dissolve itself democratically.
So we ask it politely, just in a very stern manner. :)

How do you intend to introduce your anarcho-capitalist paradise?

Ask the state politely to privatize itself?

I have three words for you: See Fight Club.


(The answer lies within.) [somesortasmiley]

I don't like the party that's currently in power at all. Usually the government's not so bad though.

I have three words for you: See Fight Club.


(The answer lies within.) [somesortasmiley]
Why not read the book instead of just watching the movie?