NationStates Jolt Archive

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose US civil rights standards on a non-American culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

When has religion not caused an environment of hostility?

Ok. So one guy goes crazy and kills someone for not wearing a veil. That means THE ENTIRE MOOSLEM POPULATION HATES CIVIL FREEDOMS AND WANTS TO KILL ALL OF CHRISTIANITY AND POPULATE THE EARTH FOR GAZILLIONS OF YEARS TO COME!!!!


No. Just no.

*sigh*

Crusades.

Baaaaaad OP. Allah crush. Allah maim.

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose US civil rights standards on a non-American culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose US civil rights standards on a non-American culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

Thats funny, cause I haven't killed anybody ever nor have I ever said do what Allah says or die. Am I not a good Muslim? Oh wait thats right, I am which is why I don't do those things. Sorry but your little theory fails. Thats like saying one or two Christians bomb abortion clinics, so they all must be like that.

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No.

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No.

I think you'll find the long answer is "nooooooooooo."

No. No he doesn't, and yet somehow he sticks around while fun trolls like Means To An End and Un Abassadorship are cut down in their prime. He's a real troll, the kind that actually does infest the internet, rather than the fun Nationstates variety we've become accustomed to. It's sad.

MTAE would take things to an extreme to provoke thought, and then flame and troll.

He was fun.

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?

No. No he doesn't, and yet somehow he sticks around while fun trolls like Means To An End and Un Abassadorship are cut down in their prime. He's a real troll, the kind that actually does infest the internet, rather than the fun Nationstates variety we've become accustomed to. It's sad.

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?

So the events mentioned are fabricated?

UKULELE!

Oh, and you messed up again - she wasn't killed solely because of her refusal to wear a veil. The "bloodthirsty savage from Somalia"-bit that you have pulled out of your ass can safely be ignored as well it seems, as the article makes no mention of that at all.

Baaaaaad OP. Allah crush. Allah maim.

O chance would be a fine thing....

So the events mentioned are fabricated?

I think it was the mad generalisations he was making about Islam.

MTAE is banned?

He left.


EDIT: Actually, I never saw the thread in which he retired. Anyone got a link to it?

MTAE would take things to an extreme to provoke thought, and then flame and troll.

He was fun.

At least he came back to defend his posts. 90% or more of the OPs threads are Troll-and-runs, and I bet you a shiny old 0.25$ coin that he won't be seen in this thread ever again.

No. No he doesn't, and yet somehow he sticks around while fun trolls like Means To An End and Un Abassadorship are cut down in their prime. He's a real troll, the kind that actually does infest the internet, rather than the fun Nationstates variety we've become accustomed to. It's sad.

MTAE is banned?

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose US civil rights standards on a non-American culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.
A selection of 3 word phrases :

Abortion Clinic Shootings
The Spanish "Reconquista"
All The Crusades
Britain In Africa

Thank You Kindly.




Oh, by the way, this is indeed an awful event, but saying that all Muslims are like this one person is horribly, horribly sweeping, and it'd be great if you could keep such comments to yourself, instead of us wasting tens of man-hours correcting your stupidity, really.

So the events mentioned are fabricated?

No, it's the way he phrased his post, not to mention his bigoted dismissal of a sixth of the world's population as hateful and evil and whatnot that makes it verbal diarheaa, to quote the post you quoted.

Kleptos: He was banned months ago.

O chance would be a fine thing....

Alas, the world is an unjust place.

At least he came back to defend his posts. 90% or more of the OPs threads are Troll-and-runs, and I bet you a shiny old 0.25$ coin that he won't be seen in this thread ever again.

No worries, Black Forrest can substitute for him.

No worries, Black Forrest can substitute for him.

Eh? I don't follow. I am a troll?

Eh? I don't follow. I am a troll?

No. You are not, nor do I see anything in your posting history that would suggest that, which is far different from Mitanni's posting history.

In my years here, I have only read one post of Mitanni's that was not overtly racist or bigoted.

Did ya'll notice that the articles he posted happen in countries, dominated by Islam, in countries which are not considered 'developed'? We almost never hear of Islam's crimes in the west. Methinks it's culture at play in the international cases we hear of.

No, it's the way he phrased his post, not to mention his bigoted dismissal of a sixth of the world's population as hateful and evil and whatnot that makes it verbal diarheaa, to quote the post you quoted.

Kleptos: He was banned months ago.

Ah. Never was good at detecting aliases.

My comment was only directed to the links. I try to tune out the static that surrounds the stories.

Eh? I don't follow. I am a troll?

I dunno, I can't really remember you. All you "The _____ _____" people mix up in my head.

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose US civil rights standards on a non-American culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

I agree that Islam is a violent religion, but the two incidents you mentioned don't really make a good case for your point. Someone could say that Eric Rudolf represents Christianity, even though that is false. Use better examples next time.

I dunno, I can't really remember you. All you "The _____ _____" people mix up in my head.

Ahhhhhh!

Hearing voices are we? :p

My comment was only directed to the links. I try to tune out the static that surrounds the stories.

Oh, and I have to say - the stories did indeed happen, but it's the static that surrounds the links that's the ukulele-waving bullshit that makes the OP loose all credibility. Well, that happened some time ago...

Did ya'll notice that the articles he posted happen in countries, dominated by Islam, in countries which are not considered 'developed'? We almost never hear of Islam's crimes in the west. Methinks it's culture at play in the international cases we hear of.
Of coures it's the indiginous cultures at play, not the religions. But that would make sound, logical sense, and we know people like New Mittani can't have any of that.

I agree that Islam is a violent religion, but the two incidents you mentioned don't really make a good case for your point. Someone could say that Eric Rudolf represents Christianity, even though that is false. Use better examples next time.

Islam is not a violent religion, however Allah swt has given us the right to fight back against oppression. This does not make the religion itself violent.

Blah blah bloodthirsty savages blah blah religion of peace blah blah.

How about this New Mitanni, whenever you retire from the 101st Keyboarding Division you can go to the middle east and kill those bloodthirsty savages yourself. I imagine that would be much more fun than simply sitting on the sidelines cheering your own racial supremacy.

Of coures it's the indiginous cultures at play, not the religions. But that would make sound, logical sense, and we know people like New Mittani can't have any of that.

Racists like black and white. The rest of us camp here in the shades of grey, enjoying the flames of the Mod Firesquad.

Blah blah bloodthirsty savages blah blah religion of peace blah blah.

How about this New Mitanni, whenever you retire from the 101st Keyboarding Division you can go to the middle east and kill those bloodthirsty savages yourself. I imagine that would be much more fun than simply sitting on the sidelines cheering your own racial supremacy.

Pwned :p

Blah blah bloodthirsty savages blah blah religion of peace blah blah.

How about this New Mitanni, whenever you retire from the 101st Keyboarding Division you can go to the middle east and kill those bloodthirsty savages yourself. I imagine that would be much more fun than simply sitting on the sidelines cheering your own racial supremacy.

Nah, New Mitanni's a member of Operation Yellow Elephant.

Operation Yellow Elephant: Because Ranting is safer than Enlisting (http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/)

Blah blah bloodthirsty savages blah blah religion of peace blah blah.

How about this New Mitanni, whenever you retire from the 101st Keyboarding Division you can go to the middle east and kill those bloodthirsty savages yourself. I imagine that would be much more fun than simply sitting on the sidelines cheering your own racial supremacy.

I had someone who supported the war who could join actually respond to that when I pointed it out to them once. They told me that I should join because my life is worthless since I don't support the President so it can be wasted in the military no problem, while theirs is worthwhile and should be protected from war so they continue to support the troops.

*snip of OP*
Ugh, spare us please. When right wing Christian zealots murder doctors who practice abortions, no one goes prattling on about how 'Christianity is teh ebil'.

They should, but they don't.

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?
THE most pertinent question of the day.

I had someone who supported the war who could join actually respond to that when I pointed it out to them once. They told me that I should join because my life is worthless since I don't support the President so it can be wasted in the military no problem, while theirs is worthwhile and should be protected from war so they continue to support the troops.

So I take it you've done your fair share of discussing with a moron...

Because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property_crime

would

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Army_of_God

never

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

do

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity#Justifying_violence

that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

Sorry, I have a BAD case of hiccups.

Because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property_crime

would

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Army_of_God

never

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps

do

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials

like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity#Justifying_violence

that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

Sorry, I have a BAD case of hiccups.

But that's in the paaaaast!! The 3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/|z r still beheading people todaaaaay!![/Bushevik Whinge]

:D

So I take it you've done your fair share of discussing with a moron...

I live in Colorado and went to high school here. What do you think?

I live in Colorado and went to high school here. What do you think?

What do I think? That's a damn good question! :D

You're wrong.

Next idea.

*pours bleach on thread*

I live in Colorado and went to high school here. What do you think?

Point taken.

But that's in the paaaaast!! The 3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/|z r still beheading people todaaaaay!![/Bushevik Whinge]

:D

Christians also attack abortion clinics today. And Phelps is still alive. ;)

*pours bleach on thread*

It's already pretty white.

silly troll.

Well I dont know what's going on with the rest of you, but I'm totally convinced. If two incidents involving the grand total of two members of some group consisting of many millions of people doesnt convince you of the evilness of the entire group, I have to wonder if unlike the OP you all are not merely spouting whatever nonesense you can come up with in a desperate, ineffective and lame attempt to hold onto and disseminate your preconceived bias. :headbang:

Honestly, 2 whole incidents, involving 2 whole members of a group numbering in the millions, just what would it take to convince you people that the Muslims are indeed T3h Ebil?:confused:

Well I dont know what's going on with the rest of you, but I'm totally convinced. If two incidents involving the grand total of two members of some group consisting of many millions of people doesnt convince you of the evilness of the entire group, I have to wonder if unlike the OP you all are not merely spouting whatever nonesense you can come up with in a desperate, ineffective and lame attempt to hold onto and disseminate your preconceived bias. :headbang:

Honestly, 2 whole incidents, involving 2 whole members of a group numbering in the millions, just what would it take to convince you people that the Muslims are indeed T3h Ebil?:confused:

TIGER UPPERCUT!!! :D

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagat#Gameplay - just a joke with Zagat's name and his PWNING of the OP. )

Isn't this the point where we start posting cat pictures?

Do you ever post anything that isn't a bigoted clump of verbal diarrhea?

Do you ever come up with an original response to anyone who doesn't buy your political orthodoxies?

In case you haven't figured it out, the word "bigot" isn't some kind of magical incantation that silences all opposition to you and those on your side of the political spectrum. As far as I'm concerned, those who use that "argument" have nothing intelligent to say, and I just ignore them, or laugh at them and then ignore them.

And BTW: as reported on FNC this afternoon, Malaysia is now using "religious" snoops, spies and secret police to root out those unmarried couples who are too close to each other. Another "tolerant" Islamic country heard from.

TIGER UPPERCUT!!! :D

I got that one! I got it! Yay me!

Do you ever come up with an original response to anyone who doesn't buy your political orthodoxies?

In case you haven't figured it out, the word "bigot" isn't some kind of magical incantation that silences all opposition to you and those on your side of the political spectrum.

Perhaps not, but everything I've seen of yours indicates you are indeed a bigot. A search on your posts confirms this. Maybe it isn't original to name you according to your bigotry, but that's because you don't seem to change your tune.

Isn't this the point where we start posting cat pictures?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/KDSez/server2.jpg

http://weaselhut.net/CHANGE2.JPG

And BTW: as reported on FNC this afternoon, Malaysia is now using "religious" snoops, spies and secret police to root out those unmarried couples who are too close to each other. Another "tolerant" Islamic country heard from.
Source it.

Do you ever*the point I stop caring*

Hey, he came back. How weird.

Do *The point I stop caring - I seem to be less resistant to lack of logic than Dinaverg*

So I take it you will agree with me that "Christians are teh ebil" as well? And that the examples I posted of Christian wrongdoing serve to tarnish them all? You can't have it both ways. If you believe your examples to be true, you HAVE to accept mine as proving the ebil that are Christians as well. Minding, I myself don't believe my examples (or yours) prove anything but the fact that using this kind of logic you use is wrong, but, as I said, you can't have it both ways.

Also, lookie here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US-sodomy-laws.png

See the states in red? Those were the states that only got their sodomy laws, by which homosexuality was a FELONY, repealed, in 2003. Where were these laws passed? The oh-so-evolved America. Why? Because of Christian fundamentalism. Supported by whom? George W. Bush. Look at this map and repeat after me: "I will not, being the pot, call the kettle black.".

*snip bigoted bullshit*
Holy shit! He didn't just post and run like he always does! He's actually responding and staying the course, listening to that deluded idiot he calls a President!:eek:

When has religion not caused an environment of hostility?

When it's Buddhist?

When it's Buddhist?

Not WHEN it's Buddhist.

ZEN it's Buddhist. :D

Okay, KILL ME NOW because of that pun. REALLY. :p

Hey, he came back. How weird.

And he didnt even defend his point. He just fired back with equally useless drivel.

http://www.orlyowl.com/liekwoa.jpg

So I take it you will agree with me that "Christians are teh ebil" as well? And that the examples I posted of Christian wrongdoing serve to tarnish them all? You can't have it both ways. If you believe your examples to be true, you HAVE to accept mine as proving the ebil that are Christians as well. Minding, I myself don't believe my examples (or yours) prove anything but the fact that using this kind of logic you use is wrong, but, as I said, you can't have it both ways.

Also, lookie here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:US-sodomy-laws.png

See the states in red? Those were the states that only got their sodomy laws, by which homosexuality was a FELONY, repealed, in 2003. Where were these laws passed? The oh-so-evolved America. Why? Because of Christian fundamentalism. Supported by whom? George W. Bush. Look at this map and repeat after me: "I will not, being the pot, call the kettle black.".

I might point out that killing women who refuse to wear a veil is not equal to classifying sodomy as a felony.

But the difference would be lost on you. ;)

snip
So when are you shipping out again? :rolleyes:

So when are you shipping out again? :rolleyes:

Sometime before the end of March.

I might point out that killing women who refuse to wear a veil is not equal to classifying sodomy as a felony.

But the difference would be lost on you. ;)

I might point out that bombing abortion clinics is EXACTLY EQUAL to killing women who refuse to wear veil. And equally against the local law. Mit was using an unsourced thing about something the Malaysian government did and I pointed out alother law, also based on religion. What's my mistake here?

I might point out that bombing abortion clinics is EXACTLY EQUAL to killing women who refuse to wear veil. And equally against the local law.

Ah, but you mentioned sodomy instead. Bombing abortion clinics is more accurate a comparison.

I might point out that bombing abortion clinics is EXACTLY EQUAL to killing women who refuse to wear veil. And equally against the local law. Mit was using an unsourced thing about something the Malaysian government did and I pointed out alother law...

And she didn't even add a sarcastic, 'but that would be lost on you' ending to that!

When it's Buddhist?
Sorry, even they had some times when they weren't being nice.

I think it's a feature of humanity in general.

Sometime before the end of March.

Good for him. I pity his platoon, because if he has that kind of attitude over there, he's liable to get them all killed.

Sometime before the end of March.

...

WHAT?!

One of the bigoted, idiotic Bush-loving wingnuts who supports the war is actually signing up and going to Iraq?!

Okay, that does it. Now we can't use that argument against them anymore. :(

Not WHEN it's Buddhist.

ZEN it's Buddhist. :D

Okay, KILL ME NOW because of that pun. REALLY. :p
Hmm... I think the Mods would ban me if I did. Would you accept the Monty Python Fish Dance with a dead cod instead?

Ah, but you mentioned sodomy instead. Bombing abortion clinics is more accurate a comparison.

Yes, I mentioned the law in the other post AFTER Mit rambled about Malaysia. If you look at my earlier one you'll see that I put several examples, including, yes, abortion clinic bombing.

What's my mistake here?
Fact-based reasoning ring any bells?


That you insist on resorting to such tactics strongly indicates that there really is no hope that you will ever think of the children. This is not only cruel, it's also foolish, because as it happens I have it on good authority that in Soviet Russia children think of you. Obviously this gives them the upper hand and further indicates that you have no understanding of the concept of reciprocity.

When someone has the courtesy to not use fact-based reasoning, it's churlish for you to resort to such tom-foolery, and to not think of the children (yes, Soviet Russian children are children too you know) when they are thinking of you is indescribably reprehensible.

I have no idea why you think it's appropriate or productive to employ fact-based reasoning in the face of such overwhelming evidence. Obviously being faced with 2 incidents perptrated by 2 members of a group many millions large has left you desperate and willing to cling to any old thing if you are forced to resort to fact-based reasoning and cannot even provide a single name-calling jibe in your lame and ill-conceived attempts to counter the OP's position.....talk about grasping at straws.

I dont know why you wont just accept the truth and start arbitarily hating on groups you dont belong to. Do you not understand how this hurts the children?

So in conclusion, quit the cheap fact-based reasoning tactics and for crying out loud just think of the children!

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/05.07.20.RealSuicideBomb-X.gif

Always making up the boogie man aren't we :D, I wonder who’s next after the "Islam threat"? Is it the Chinese?

*snip*
Right, because we all know judging people for their own actions and not as representatives for the whole of their people would lead to something like that. :rolleyes:

Perhaps being in a situation where I am often asked to stand in for the whole of the US or the western world I can better see the hypocracy of that, particuarly in a culture that places individualism and demands that everyone be judged only as an individual.

Always making up the boogie man aren't we :D, I wonder who’s next after the "Islam threat"? Is it the Chinese?

Been there, done that.

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/05.07.20.RealSuicideBomb-X.gif

Yes, because as we all know all Muslims are evil suicide bombers ready to kill everyone because of their faith, that no Muslim can ever live in a peaceful society, because every single country with Muslims in it is a war-torn wasteland, right Eve? :rolleyes:

I found something pretty intolerant linked to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bs909HtOwQ

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

Although karo-kari and misogyny is rampant in that country, this one seems to be by a mad person.

http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?169667
According to DPO Gujaranwala, Ghulam Sarwar had killed 12 call girls of Lahore. He was arrested for the murder of call girls and was released from the jail last year.

Dunno why he was released though...

http://www.pakistantimes.net/2007/02/21/top1.htm
The accused was handed over to CIA staff that shifted him at an undisclosed place.

wtf...is that the CIA of US or some other org of Pakistan. God I hate these 3 lettered govt orgs.

Snip.

:D

Yes, because as we all know all Muslims are evil suicide bombers ready to kill everyone because of their faith, that no Muslim can ever live in a peaceful society, because every single country with Muslims in it is a war-torn wasteland, right Eve? :rolleyes:
Every single country with a substantial Muslim population has incidents where Muslims commit crimes. Coincidence? I think not!

Been there, done that.

It'll be the Irish again for a few years. Then the Dutch. Then the Muslims again, but not for long. Then the English. Finally the Americans. At which point America, in a fit of confusion over how it should go about illegally invading itself, nukes itself and everyone on earth not caught in the various blasts dies from inability to process such an act of stupidity.

Every single country with a substantial Muslim population has incidents where Muslims commit crimes. Coincidence? I think not!

And every single country with a substantial Christian population has incidents where Christians commit crimes.

As a matter of fact, every single country with a substantial population of males has incidents where males commit crimes. Coincidence?!

And every single country with a substantial Christian population has incidents where Christians commit crimes.

As a matter of fact, every single country with a substantial population of males has incidents where males commit crimes. Coincidence?!

Every single country with a substantial bipedal population has incidents where bipedals commit crimes.

However, NOT every single country with a substantial quadrupedal population has incidents where quadrupedals commit crimes.

That settles it, cats should rule the world!

Swedish minister dies after stabbing (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3098834.stm)

Of course, no real Swede would do such a thing, because Sweden is the country of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Every single country with a substantial bipedal population has incidents where bipedals commit crimes.

However, NOT every single country with a substantial quadrupedal population has incidents where quadrupedals commit crimes.

That settles it, cats should rule the world!
I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords.

I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords.

So do I, especially if we're talking catgirls. :D

I, for one, welcome our new feline overlords.If they take care of me as well as I take care of them, everything will be copacetic.

Do you ever come up with an original response to anyone who doesn't buy your political orthodoxies?

Yes, I do. Feel free to look at my posting history. For example, I enjoy debating Psychotic Dan on immigration because (s)he provides intelligent discourse that reflects the views of people who do not agree with my views on immigration.

In case you haven't figured it out, the word "bigot" isn't some kind of magical incantation that silences all opposition to you and those on your side of the political spectrum. As far as I'm concerned, those who use that "argument" have nothing intelligent to say, and I just ignore them, or laugh at them and then ignore them.

Then why are you not ignoring me? To be honest, I wish the word would magically shut you up, but instead I will leave it to you to demonstrate the validity of my claim that you are, in fact, a bigot.

And BTW: as reported on FNC this afternoon, Malaysia is now using "religious" snoops, spies and secret police to root out those unmarried couples who are too close to each other. Another "tolerant" Islamic country heard from.

Here is the link you failed to provide:
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=iol1172005029415A551

And here is my own in response:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/21/asia/AS-GEN-Malaysia-Islamic-Opposition.php
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Malaysia's main Muslim opposition group is making new moves to cultivate support among ethnic Chinese and Indian minorities, who have long been suspicious of the party's ambition of creating an Islamic state.

The fundamentalist Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party said this week it has published 50,000 Mandarin-language newsletters explaining its policies to coincide with current Chinese Lunar New Year festivities, and launched a nationwide club for ethnic Indian supporters last week.

Apparently those evil Muslims are making efforts to create bridges with other cultural communities, which is more than I can say for you and your attempts to engage other cultural communities.

Well as someone living in Malaysia, I can say that the Muslims here are generally very tolerant of other ethnicities. I've lived in two Muslim countries in my life (the Maldives and Malaysia) and extremists are in the minority. (Though sadly I would observe that they are a growing number).

One thing I dont like about the Muslim world however, is our oversesnitivity and inability to take criticisms. In the west you have books such as Dawkins "The God Delusion" or Sam Harris with his "End of Faith" both of which offer scathing criticisms of Christianity yet are both best sellers in nations predominantly Christian. Such phenomenons never occur in the Muslim world which is notorious for its censorship, even here in Malaysia, supposedly the epitamy of a moderate Islamic nation, it would be extremely surprising to walk into a bookstore and be able to find a Salman Rushdie novel.

Freedom of religion is also something that I take issue with. I beleive in evolution and strongly dislike certain aspects of Islam as a theology. For these reasons I am no longer a Muslim. Now, this is a problem for me because the Madlives (my own country) requires you to be Muslim in order to be a citizen, and by law apostates are to be dealt with via Sharia method. I now live in Malaysia where there are two seperate legal systems. One for non-Muslims, and Sharia Law for Muslims which deny Muslims the right to convert out of Islam. What irks me most about this whole issue, that even most moderates are opposed to granting the rights to apostasy. (Though, I'll confess that this is simply by observation, most of my relatives are moderates and strongly oppose freedom to apostasise, so needles to say I hide my own apostasy).

Okay, so I may have gone off on a bit of a tangent there. What I wanted to say is that the vast majority of Muslims are tolerant to other cultures, and certain individuals actions should not be used to define how all Muslims would behave. However there is also a need to acknowledge that when it comes to some certain human rights, a lot moderates even are nowhere near as tolerant as they should be.

Yeah? And some priest nailed a nun to a cross.

It's just religious lunacy. The actual brand doesn't really matter. Sit back and enjoy the show. :)

Do you ever come up with an original response to anyone who doesn't buy your political orthodoxies?
:eek: You came back! Not that you bothered to adress any points in this thread, but that would have given me a heart attack so I should be glad but DAMN YOU! I lost a quater due to that...
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In case you haven't figured it out, the word "bigot" isn't some kind of magical incantation that silences all opposition to you and those on your side of the political spectrum. As far as I'm concerned, those who use that "argument" have nothing intelligent to say, and I just ignore them, or laugh at them and then ignore them.
Hehehe... You're funny sometimes :p

Here's a little tidbit for New Mitanni and Eve "The Artist Formerly Known as Deep Kimchi" Online.

Quantico Marine Base has an Islamic Center.

According to your brand of "logic" that means the USMC has been taken over by Al-Qaeda.

Funny huh?

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I hate this kind of nazi trash. "Multi culturalism" - a policy of live and let live, tolerance for other cultures - is likened to terrorism. So what then... no tolerance? Kill the inferior cultures? And which culture is the "right" one for our nation? Because that's what you want, a national culture. One fatherland. Ein Volk!

In case you haven't figured it out, the word "bigot" isn't some kind of magical incantation that silences all opposition to you and those on your side of the political spectrum.

Of course not. It's just an accurate description of you.

Don't get your panties in a twist. "ZOMG THEYRE TRYING TO SILENCE ME!" Ridiculous.

I hate this kind of nazi trash. "Multi culturalism" - a policy of live and let live, tolerance for other cultures - is likened to terrorism. So what then... no tolerance? Kill the inferior cultures? And which culture is the "right" one for our nation? Because that's what you want, a national culture. One fatherland. Ein Volk! If we're going to talk about nazis, it is interesting how the ideology of the Aryan Nations etc. is similar to the ideology of Islamic terror groups. So much so that many neo-nazis actually admire Muslim fighters.

Tolerance, by the way, is great as long as it's reciprocal. The problem is when something like this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/29/nmuslims29.xml) occurs.

So much for integration. I have, by the way, yet to meet a single Muslim who doesn't have something unfavourable to say about the jooz.

I hate this kind of nazi trash. "Multi culturalism" - a policy of live and let live, tolerance for other cultures - is likened to terrorism. So what then... no tolerance? Kill the inferior cultures? And which culture is the "right" one for our nation? Because that's what you want, a national culture. One fatherland. Ein Volk!

He's The Artist Formerly Known as Deep Kimchi. You know, Mr. "Let's Sterilize All the Muslims"?

Of course not. It's just an accurate description of you.

Don't get your panties in a twist. "ZOMG THEYRE TRYING TO SILENCE ME!" Ridiculous.

He was a proud member of the (Not At All) Jew Crew don't forget. In fact, he'll join any group that lets him demonize and call for the death of all Muslims from the safety of his keyboard. God forbid he should actually enlist and go to Iraq.

If we're going to talk about nazis, it is interesting how the ideology of the Aryan Nations etc. is similar to the ideology of Islamic terror groups. So much so that many neo-nazis actually admire Muslim fighters.

Comparing Muslims as a whole to Nazis then?

Tolerance, by the way, is great as long as it's reciprocal. The problem is when something like this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/29/nmuslims29.xml) occurs.

So much for integration. I have, by the way, yet to meet a single Muslim who doesn't have something unfavourable to say about the jooz.

And so you assume each and every single Muslim in the world is a Jew-hating Jihadist who has Bin Ladin on speed dial?

I have, by the way, yet to meet a single Muslim who doesn't have something unfavourable to say about the jooz.
That's funny, because I've yet to meet one who had something unfavorable to say about Jews. Maybe you just hang out with too many anti-Semitic asshats?

You can find that kind of rotten apple in every barrel. I went to a high school with a very high Jewish population, and whenever we had hockey games against our rival town (which was almost exclusively WASP) they would pelt us and our team with bagels. (For anybody who doesn't know, that's a form of anti-Semitic harassment.)

The Crusaders didn't fight for their religion, they fought for access to the holy lands as an excuse for war. Muslim terrorists fight because they are racists and such, and use the Qur'an as an excuse to fight.

*sigh*

Crusades.

Excuse me;
when were the Crusades?
And what year are we living in now?
And when was the last Christian (In the Name of God) "Crusade" on a global scale?
And who is bent now on global submission to Allah?

Note: Bush does not count as the person forcing his relgion on other religions. That is a bunch of crap.

You can find that kind of rotten apple in every barrel. I went to a high school with a very high Jewish population, and whenever we had hockey games against our rival town (which was almost exclusively WASP) they would pelt us and our team with bagels. (For anybody who doesn't know, that's a form of anti-Semitic harassment.) The "rotten apple" excuse is becoming increasingly worn. Did you take a look at the poll of British Muslims I put up earlier?

Comparing Muslims as a whole to Nazis then? I said the ideology of terror cells and groups. Unless each and every Muslim is a member of said groups, then no.

And so you assume each and every single Muslim in the world is a Jew-hating Jihadist who has Bin Ladin on speed dial? Yes, because I said that. :rolleyes: It's no secret that Muslims have a higher dislike of Jews than other groups do. Whether this is due to Israel or the Qur'an I don't know - that fact is that it exists.

However, the Qur'an does say that Muslims cannot be friends with infidels, and major Islamic schools say that Muslims are on a higher level than infidels - not a recipe for harmony.

Presumably if all this is due to a few "bad apples" who can be found in equal numbers in every religion, we should be having Jewish extremist suicide bombers and Christian extremists who behead people and record it?

Western countries with higher proportions of Muslims tend to have more successful anti-Muslim parties - such as the Vlaams Belang in Belgium.

The Crusaders didn't fight for their religion, they fought for access to the holy lands as an excuse for war. The Crusades were a response to a war of aggression that turned into a mess.

Comparing Muslims as a whole to Nazis then?



And so you assume each and every single Muslim in the world is a Jew-hating Jihadist who has Bin Ladin on speed dial?

I doubt it was to all Muslims.

Also, why was whenever asked about how they feel about the use of terrorism, usually they don't fully condem it? They go apeshit when their Koran gets "desecrated" or a mosque gets "desecrated" but you never see a massive protest agianst terrorist bombings, or denoucment of suicide bombings on mass.

A few bad apples is correct, but the problem is the bad apples are alot of the times in the lead. Every single on of the germans weren't evil Nazis, but because Hitler and his SS ruled in the way they did no one had a choice but to live the way they did. If your teacher constantly tells you for example "Jews are evil" and you are told so by the leaders of the community as well you begin to believe it yourself. Even though there appears to be alot of Anti jewish muslims this is not necessarily because this is what they think, btu what their parents and leaders thnk

I doubt it was to all Muslims.

Also, why was whenever asked about how they feel about the use of terrorism, usually they don't fully condem it? When have you heard of Christians saying they are in favor of terror attacks agianst other "non-Christians"?

Probably because the Western "Liberal Media" likes to pay more attention to "Muslims" who cheer and high-five these terrorist attacks instead of moderates who have publically condemned the acts as unIslamic?

this could be going to the war on iraq.. the USA need constant terrorism to justify it

However, the Qur'an does say that Muslims cannot be friends with infidels, and major Islamic schools say that Muslims are on a higher level than infidels - not a recipe for harmony.



Hm, what has the bible say to other religions? I think it's something like: "If your family wants to convert, stone all of them to death!". And there several things like this in the bible...

The Qur'an is much more tolerant than the bible in this case. Jews and Christians can reach heaven in the Islamic faith. They may not enter the highest level, but they are not damned to burn in hell - like muslims in the christian faith.

Hm, what has the bible say to other religions? I think it's something like: "If your family wants to convert, stone all of them to death!". And there several things like this in the bible...

The Qur'an is much more tolerant than the bible in this case. Jews and Christians can reach heaven in the Islamic faith. They may not enter the highest level, but they are not damned to burn in hell - like muslims in the christian faith.

Of course he'll try to cop out by saying that was Old Testament and that the New Testament doesn't have anything like that.

The point is assumes that every Muslim in the world is an anti-Jewish jihadist. Of course that misses the point that there's more than two different Islamic sects in the world. You never hear about Sufi terrorists do you?

Hm, what has the bible say to other religions? I think it's something like: "If your family wants to convert, stone all of them to death!". And there several things like this in the bible...
Of course he'll try to cop out by saying that was Old Testament and that the New Testament doesn't have anything like that. Damn right I'll cop out. And that "excuse" works for Islam; later verses abrogate earlier verses. Surah 2:106: None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

The Qur'an is much more tolerant than the bible in this case. Jews and Christians can reach heaven in the Islamic faith. They may not enter the highest level, but they are not damned to burn in hell - like muslims in the christian faith. It's nice to know that after living all your life under the jizya tax and being a second-class dhimmi, you can go to heaven.

But I have my doubts about unbelievers reaching heaven:
2:6-7 "As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom."
9:73 "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."
66:9 "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."
9:123 "Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you."

but alot of people who actually think about it arent as blind as ignorant as the stereotype when it comes to muslims I used to buy into the "religion of peace and tolerance" stuff. Then I did some research. :)

It was the old testament not the new one, but your right the bible is full of contradictions and stories that wouldnt be on the top of "lessons to teach your children"

I dont think the world does assume that all muslims are terrorists, but your right, that is the image created. Thats because of ignorance, and alot of it is the news that we hear. The only links to Muslims we hear on the news are about violence and terrorism, but alot of people who actually think about it arent as blind as ignorant as the stereotype when it comes to muslims

The "rotten apple" excuse is becoming increasingly worn. Did you take a look at the poll of British Muslims I put up earlier?

This has more to do with young people looking for a cultural identity in an increasingly multicultural world. Without a clear and distinct community with which to identify, many youth are looking back towards the fundamentalist communities that their forefathers came from. This is prevalent in many communities, not just Muslims. The poularity of nationalist parties with local youth is as indicative of this as the popularity of Sharia among young Muslims.

I said the ideology of terror cells and groups. Unless each and every Muslim is a member of said groups, then no.

I agree, and may I say that is awfully amusing.

Yes, because I said that. :rolleyes: It's no secret that Muslims have a higher dislike of Jews than other groups do. Whether this is due to Israel or the Qur'an I don't know - that fact is that it exists.

I think this is one of those things that has complicated roots extending into history, current global politics, the fact that antisemitism has never disappeared from evne the most enlightened societies, and the fact that Jews have always made good scapegoats, and many other things.

However, the Qur'an does say that Muslims cannot be friends with infidels, and major Islamic schools say that Muslims are on a higher level than infidels - not a recipe for harmony.

Yes. Islam does share that bigotry with other religions.

Presumably if all this is due to a few "bad apples" who can be found in equal numbers in every religion, we should be having Jewish extremist suicide bombers and Christian extremists who behead people and record it?

If we had as many Jews and Christians living in third world conditions like the Middle east, then I am sure we would see that.

Western countries with higher proportions of Muslims tend to have more successful anti-Muslim parties - such as the Vlaams Belang in Belgium.

Probably because it is easier to convince the locals that the muslims are taking their jobs when there are more muslims employed in the area. This is also why most northern Europeans don't really care about Mexican illegals.

The Crusades were a response to a war of aggression that turned into a mess.

I think you and I can agree that the Crusades have little, if any, bearing on the current situation.

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I went to a high school with a very high Jewish population, and whenever we had hockey games against our rival town (which was almost exclusively WASP) they would pelt us and our team with bagels. (For anybody who doesn't know, that's a form of anti-Semitic harassment.)

Mmmm... Bagels :fluffle:

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Multi-culturalism is what's preventing people from kicking your arse for being a git, I hope you know that.

Otherwise people would say "ah yes, not in our culture of vague acceptance, hence you can get the fuck out, sharpish".

This has more to do with young people looking for a cultural identity in an increasingly multicultural world. Without a clear and distinct community with which to identify, many youth are looking back towards the fundamentalist communities that their forefathers came from. This is prevalent in many communities, not just Muslims. The poularity of nationalist parties with local youth is as indicative of this as the popularity of Sharia among young Muslims. I think it has more to do with the older generation being more willing to "integrate". Certainly multiculturalism has not helped, but neither have France's assimilatory policies.

I agree, and may I say that is awfully amusing. Eh?

I think this is one of those things that has complicated roots extending into history, current global politics, the fact that antisemitism has never disappeared from evne the most enlightened societies, and the fact that Jews have always made good scapegoats, and many other things. Probably true. They also never had a holocaust to shock them into sensibility, although those Hezbollah nutters want to make one.

Yes. Islam does share that bigotry with other religions. Incorrect. Christianity has the "golden rule" which applies to everyone. Islam - and possibly Judaism - only extend altruism to the in-group.

If we had as many Jews and Christians living in third world conditions like the Middle east, then I am sure we would see that. Funny you should say that - there used to be many Christians and Jews in modern-day Islamic countries in the Middle East, but, uh, not any more.

Still, there are Christians in Bangladesh, Thailand, and Indonesia to name but three. As for Jews, there are plenty in Africa.

Probably because it is easier to convince the locals that the muslims are taking their jobs when there are more muslims employed in the area. This is also why most northern Europeans don't really care about Mexican illegals. I would venture that Europeans don't care about Mexicans because they are not being impacted by Mexicans.

With Muslims in the UK, especially those of Pakistani/Bangladeshi origin, unemployment is a problem - not stealing jobs. In fact, even the BNP hasn't been running the "stealing jobs" line. People are more concerned about Sharia law, a loss of culture, and crime than they are about stealing jobs.

Plus - it has to be said - 7/7 didn't help. The general attitude of a growing number of people is "Why do we need these people in particular in this country?" - and it's hard to rebut that. Which is why someone invented a lovely neologism, Islamophobia. :)

I think you and I can agree that the Crusades have little, if any, bearing on the current situation. Yes, but they are frequently brought up as some thousand year grudge.

The poll posted erlier does concern me but it should proberbly be taken with a small pinch of salt. I'm not at all keen on the idea of sharia law here in the UK. One hopes that these responses are merely a resault of youthfull rebeliousness, but somehow that seems like a rather forlawn hope.

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Has the constant ramming of your own idiocy back down your craw finally reduced you to silence...?

The poll posted erlier does concern me but it should proberbly be taken with a small pinch of salt. I'm not at all keen on the idea of sharia law here in the UK. One hopes that these responses are merely a resault of youthfull rebeliousness, but somehow that seems like a rather forlawn hope.

There'll be Sharia Law in the UK at about the same moment O.J. Simpson finds The Real Killers and Clay Aiken sleeps with a woman.

Excuse me;
when were the Crusades?
And what year are we living in now?
And when was the last Christian (In the Name of God) "Crusade" on a global scale?
And who is bent now on global submission to Allah?

Note: Bush does not count as the person forcing his relgion on other religions. That is a bunch of crap.

Christianity was around for how long when the Crusades happened? About 1200-1400 years.

Islam has been around for how long? 1300 years.

Now, I'm not saying that it necessarily follows, but if you think about it, it's sort of like the rebellious adolescence of religion.

And now Christianity is going through the early stages of "crotchety old age"

There'll be Sharia Law in the UK at about the same moment O.J. Simpson finds The Real Killers and Clay Aiken sleeps with a woman. I would agree. It's not unforseeable that there might be considerable unpleasantness some time in the future, though.

The poll posted erlier does concern me but it should proberbly be taken with a small pinch of salt. I'm not at all keen on the idea of sharia law here in the UK. One hopes that these responses are merely a resault of youthfull rebeliousness, but somehow that seems like a rather forlawn hope.
In my opinion, it's the unfortunate logical result of growing disaffection with society - something not unique to Muslims at all.

I think it has more to do with the older generation being more willing to "integrate". Certainly multiculturalism has not helped, but neither have France's assimilatory policies.

Perhaps, but it may also have to do with the fact that the first-generation immigrants remember what it was like living under Sharia, and prefer western law, while the youth are mytholigising something they have never lived.

Eh?

I was agreeing with you that you never claimed that Muslims were comparable to Nazis, when you were really discussing how Aryan groups have more in common with Jihadists than with normal people. I thought it was funny that neo-Nazis should look up to Muslim extremists.

Probably true. They also never had a holocaust to shock them into sensibility, although those Hezbollah nutters want to make one.

Perhaps. I 'll have to think about that.

Incorrect. Christianity has the "golden rule" which applies to everyone. Islam - and possibly Judaism - only extend altruism to the in-group.

Well the Quran does have something similar:
5:8 O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.
and...
7:199 Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.
and...
41:34 The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.

Funny you should say that - there used to be many Christians and Jews in modern-day Islamic countries in the Middle East, but, uh, not any more.

Still, there are Christians in Bangladesh, Thailand, and Indonesia to name but three. As for Jews, there are plenty in Africa.

Are they living in the same conditions as the Islaimc people of the middle east are? What I am trying to get at is this: the barbaric acts perpetrated by the Jihadists are a product of horrible living conditions, an environment scarce in resources but rife with violence, and a bigoted upbringing, not Islam.

I would venture that Europeans don't care about Mexicans because they are not being impacted by Mexicans.

With Muslims in the UK, especially those of Pakistani/Bangladeshi origin, unemployment is a problem - not stealing jobs. In fact, even the BNP hasn't been running the "stealing jobs" line. People are more concerned about Sharia law, a loss of culture, and crime than they are about stealing jobs.

Plus - it has to be said - 7/7 didn't help. The general attitude of a growing number of people is "Why do we need these people in particular in this country?" - and it's hard to rebut that. Which is why someone invented a lovely neologism, Islamophobia. :)

Exactly. People are concerned with what impacts them, regardless of whether it is Muslims, the price of gas, healthcare, etc. That is why countries with high Muslim populations have more popular anti-muslim parties. It is not really an indication of something wrong with Islam. It is more an indication of politicians using current events to consiolidate or expand their power base.

There'll be Sharia Law in the UK at about the same moment O.J. Simpson finds The Real Killers and Clay Aiken sleeps with a woman.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml
Islamic sharia law is gaining an increasing foothold in parts of Britain, a report claims.

Sharia, derived from several sources including the Koran, is applied to varying degrees in predominantly Muslim countries but it has no binding status in Britain.

However, the BBC Radio 4 programme Law in Action produced evidence yesterday that it was being used by some Muslims as an alternative to English criminal law. Aydarus Yusuf, 29, a youth worker from Somalia, recalled a stabbing case that was decided by an unofficial Somali "court" sitting in Woolwich, south-east London.

Perhaps, but it may also have to do with the fact that the first-generation immigrants remember what it was like living under Sharia, and prefer western law, while the youth are mytholigising something they have never lived.

True and well put.


Are they living in the same conditions as the Islaimc people of the middle east are? What I am trying to get at is this: the barbaric acts perpetrated by the Jihadists are a product of horrible living conditions, an environment scarce in resources but rife with violence, and a bigoted upbringing, not Islam.

If Muhammed were to live today, would he be called an extremist or moderate or a jihadi ?

True and well put.



If Muhammed were to live today, would he be called an extremist or moderate or a jihadi ?

I imagine he'd be seen as a heretic or a crazy person or both.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

That's non-binding. Not sanctioned by the British government. Anyone can make their own laws that aren't binding, but if it goes against established rule, then it's their funeral.

Excuse me;
when were the Crusades?

Not nearly long enough ago for them to be forgotten.

And what year are we living in now?

Not nearly long enough after the Crusades for them to be forgotten.

And when was the last Christian (In the Name of God) "Crusade" on a global scale?

Does the "let's not give them condoms because of our prejudice thereby spreading AIDS" count?

And who is bent now on global submission to Allah?

130,000 people out of 2 billion. It'd be less than one out of ten thousand muslims.

Note: Bush does not count as the person forcing his relgion on other religions. That is a bunch of crap.

PROVE. IT. Saying it's a "bunch of crap" is, guess what, a bunch of CRAP in an argument!

I doubt it was to all Muslims.

Also, why was whenever asked about how they feel about the use of terrorism, usually they don't fully condem it? They go apeshit when their Koran gets "desecrated" or a mosque gets "desecrated" but you never see a massive protest agianst terrorist bombings, or denoucment of suicide bombings on mass.

http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm

And all the links inside.

It took me 10 seconds of google to find this link. It took me ten measly seconds to prove you utterly, completely and absolutely wrong.

Not interested in knowing or admitting the widespread condemnation of terrorism by Islam? Tough luck, I'm calling your bluff for everyone here to see.

If Muhammed were to live today, would he be called an extremist or moderate or a jihadi ?


Not sure. Depends on what he acted like. To be honest, I am using the word Jihadist here to mean the terrorists/extremists/criminals who are using Islam to excuse their terrorism/crime/extreme behaviour. This may or may not be a good way to use the term.

Perhaps, but it may also have to do with the fact that the first-generation immigrants remember what it was like living under Sharia, and prefer western law, while the youth are mytholigising something they have never lived.

I was agreeing with you that you never claimed that Muslims were comparable to Nazis, when you were really discussing how Aryan groups have more in common with Jihadists than with normal people. I thought it was funny that neo-Nazis should look up to Muslim extremists. Yeah, apparently the JOOZ are more of a threat to the white man's society than the AK and beard crowd. Some people never cease to amaze me!

Well the Quran does have something similar:
5:8 O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.
and...
7:199 Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.
and...
41:34 The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend. But are these earlier (Medinan) or later (Meccan) verses? Remember the doctrine of abrogation; many of the "nice" verses are overshadowed by, say, the Verse of the Sword (which has influenced all the beheadings).

Are they living in the same conditions as the Islaimc people of the middle east are? What I am trying to get at is this: the barbaric acts perpetrated by the Jihadists are a product of horrible living conditions, an environment scarce in resources but rife with violence, and a bigoted upbringing, not Islam. Christians in Pakistan live in worse conditions than Muslims. They are an oppressed minority. I don't know how Jews get on, but I'd guess it's not good.
And of course there's to prime contributor to terror, Saudi Arabia, which oppresses religious minorities beyond what Sharia stipulates.

I don't buy the line that bigoted upbringings and poverty are to blame. Consider the radicalised youth in Britain.
I did find an article claiming that higher-educated people are more susceptible to jihadi persuasion, but I've lost it. Certainly, though, it's the great and the good of Saudi Arabia and Iran who are pushing extremism, not the man in the street.

Exactly. People are concerned with what impacts them, regardless of whether it is Muslims, the price of gas, healthcare, etc. That is why countries with high Muslim populations have more popular anti-muslim parties. It is not really an indication of something wrong with Islam. It is more an indication of politicians using current events to consiolidate or expand their power base. I would have thought it to be an indicator of a growing dislike of Islam.

The BNP very rarely says anything about black people nowadays, despite the fact that there are many of them in the UK. It concentrates on Muslims much more - because people around the country are more likely to see them as a threat.

I think, to clear things up ill educate you all. A bit. If you have a Ph.D let me know so you can correct me.

Jihad is only ever used to regain land lost in a combat, or as a way (peacefully) of settling small domestic disputes. Thus the terrorist threat arent actually Jihadi extremeists. Just extremists.

And to all the Nazis - Yep. We all know how nice the Nazis were to the Jewish population aswell dont we. If we're bringing up the bloody crusades im bringing up World War Two.

Jihad is only ever used to regain land lost in a combat, or as a way (peacefully) of settling small domestic disputes. Thus the terrorist threat arent actually Jihadi extremeists. Just extremists.

Jihad means struggle or effort. To study a bit more before eating even though hungry, for instance, would be a jihad. But you are correct in that it, in war, is a DEFENSIVE struggle.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/29/nsharia29.xml

In the end, the standing UK law still has precedence.

yeah what she said, I didnt make that clear but Jihad is not an excuse for an offensive way of life.

I think, to clear things up ill educate you all. A bit. If you have a Ph.D let me know so you can correct me. GCSEs and AS levels pwn PHDs.

Jihad is only ever used to regain land lost in a combat, or as a way (peacefully) of settling small domestic disputes. Thus the terrorist threat arent actually Jihadi extremeists. Just extremists. So Muslims being a majority in Arabia, North Africa and most of the Middle East is unjustified?

Mohammed wasn't very kind to his Quraysh tribe after they rejected him.

And to all the Nazis - Yep. We all know how nice the Nazis were to the Jewish population aswell dont we. If we're bringing up the bloody crusades im bringing up World War Two. To what nazis? No nazis here as far as I can see.

yeah what she said, I didnt make that clear but Jihad is not an excuse for an offensive way of life.

Why does everybody think I'm female?

Mohammed wasn't very kind to his Quraysh tribe after they rejected him and attacked him and his followers repeatedly.

Hey, what about that, I found that piece of the sentence you lost!

Why does everybody think I'm female?

maybe its the way you shake it...

Hey, what about that, I found that piece of the sentence you lost!

Aww... now he's going to have to find some other way of claiming "|\/|0zl3|\/|z r 3b1l".

Christianity was around for how long when the Crusades happened? About 1200-1400 years.

Islam has been around for how long? 1300 years.Nope Islam is basically 600 years yonger then Christianity.

http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/not_this_shit_again.jpg

http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/not_this_shit_again.jpg

Unfortunately, it'll happen over and over until Space Aliens invade and replace Muslims as T3h Ub3r 3bil.

So when are you shipping out again? :rolleyes:

Eh?

Ugh, spare us please. When right wing Christian zealots murder doctors who practice abortions, no one goes prattling on about how 'Christianity is teh ebil'.

They should, but they don't.

:rolleyes:

maybe its the way you shake it...

I only shake speare!

(Ugh.)

If we're going to talk about nazis, it is interesting how the ideology of the Aryan Nations etc. is similar to the ideology of Islamic terror groups. So much so that many neo-nazis actually admire Muslim fighters.

OK, so where can I find neo-nazis who admire Muslim terrorists? Got a handy source or is it just conjecture?

Tolerance, by the way, is great as long as it's reciprocal. The problem is when something like this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/29/nmuslims29.xml) occurs.

I guess protesting would be a bad thing from the perspective of hating freedom of speech.

Oh wait, I mean to say, gosh, Muslims are intolerant, we should kick them out of the nation!

That's just an extended tu quoque policy: It's OK to be intolerant because other people will be intolerant.

So much for integration.

I lived here my whole life and I'm not "integrated" into some stupid socialist hive-mind collective consciousness that apparently, Muslim immigrants have to plug in to.

I have, by the way, yet to meet a single Muslim who doesn't have something unfavourable to say about the jooz.

Nice anecdote. I haven't met any Muslims that said anything "unfavourable" about Jews. I'm guessing my anecdote is the more truthful, though.

All that aside, ranting against "multiculturalism" is a nazi thing to do. Especially when the only cultures you seem to dislike are Muslim ones. It's just like Jew-hating, only it's Muslim-hating. Jew-hating is uncool, but Muslim-hating is patriotic.

I only shake speare!

(Ugh.)

Hello? Pun Police? We have a violation...

OH YEAH! I GOT ADMINBOT'S BOYFRIEND!

Four posts ago. Just didn't notice. Oh well.

Nice anecdote. I haven't met any Muslims that said anything "unfavourable" about Jews. I'm guessing my anecdote is the more truthful, though.

It depends though, I'm guessing your'e an American or at least western. Majority of Muslim migrants to western countries tend to be quite tolerant, because the extremist school of thought advises against settling into Non-Muslim communities. Granted, I have yet to hear any Muslim make an anti-semitic remark towards all Jews over here in Malaysia. Although, we tend to be quite suspicious of Israel, and back home in the Maldives there is common loathing and revulsion for Zionists and Israel.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

Why do you translate the whole sentence in the title, with the sole exception of the word "Allah"? Its translation is "God". The title is, then, "Do what God says or die".
Actually this sentence and the likes of it has been uttered by a lot of people in history, and hailing from different religions.
I gather that you used the term "Allah" to mean "this is not the God of the Christians", thus revealing a strong anti-islam bias - and also some ignorance, given that it is the very same God of Abraham etc.
"God's will" has always be used (and I fear, will always be used) by men and organisations to justify repression, violence, murder and war. Islam has done that, the Catholic Church has, the Protestants have, the Orthodoxes have, the Jews have. May I remember here just two typical examples:
The "Holy Slaughter" made by catholics against haeretics in northern Italy in the late middle-age: "Kill them all, God will choose his own"
"Gott mit uns" (God is with us), by the lovely Hitler-Goebbels team

So, please, stop crusading and evolve.

Why do you translate the whole sentence in the title, with the sole exception of the word "Allah"? Its translation is "God". The title is, then, "Do what God says or die".
Actually this sentence and the likes of it has been uttered by a lot of people in history, and hailing from different religions.
I gather that you used the term "Allah" to mean "this is not the God of the Christians", thus revealing a strong anti-islam bias - and also some ignorance, given that it is the very same God of Abraham etc.
"God's will" has always be used (and I fear, will always be used) by men and organisations to justify repression, violence, murder and war. Islam has done that, the Catholic Church has, the Protestants have, the Orthodoxes have, the Jews have. May I remember here just two typical examples:
The "Holy Slaughter" made by catholics against haeretics in northern Italy in the late middle-age: "Kill them all, God will choose his own"
"Gott mit uns" (God is with us), by the lovely Hitler-Goebbels team

So, please, stop crusading and evolve.

Right,

Should we use Deus for the Catholic God?

Every single country with a substantial Muslim population has incidents where Muslims commit crimes. Coincidence? I think not!

And every single country with a substantial Christian population has incidents where Christians commit crimes.

As a matter of fact, every single country with a substantial population of males has incidents where males commit crimes. Coincidence?!

Every single country with a substantial bipedal population has incidents where bipedals commit crimes.

However, NOT every single country with a substantial quadrupedal population has incidents where quadrupedals commit crimes.

That settles it, cats should rule the world!
Oh dear, I can't tell if you knew I was being sarcastic or not. :headbang: So just for the record, I was.

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Right,

Should we use Deus for the Catholic God?

Yes, if you're Brazilian or Portuguese.

Oh dear, I can't tell if you knew I was being sarcastic or not. :headbang: So just for the record, I was.

Don't you hate it when that happens?

I thought you were, if not completely sure, but relax: So was I. ;)

Yes, if you're Brazilian or Portuguese.


So the thread title should be:

Do What God/Allah/Deus/Dieu/Gott Says or Die

So the thread title should be:

Do What God/Allah/Deus/Dieu/Gott Says or Die

Actually it should be:

Do what Allah/God/Deus/Dieu/Dios/Gott/Kami-sama/Eloheem/Owa Tagoo Siam/Khudah/Бог/Gud/上帝/isten/dio/jumala/Kadavul/bhagawan says or die! Well, that and about 6,000 more languages. 6,500 if you include the dead ones.

I thought you were, if not completely sure, but relax: So was I. ;)
Oh, you were being sarcastic? :(
I for one would have welcomed our new feline overlords.

Hmm, the two top threads are "Do What Allah Says or Die!" and "The gays are trying to destroy our way of life!" The sad thing is they sound so similar, but one is in perfect seriousness.

Oh, you were being sarcastic? :(
I for one would have welcomed our new feline overlords.

Well, depends. If I was given a catgirl I'd welcome them.

Actually it should be:

Do what Allah/God/Deus/Dieu/Dios/Gott/Kami-sama/Eloheem/Owa Tagoo Siam/Khudah/Бог/Gud/上帝/isten/dio/jumala/Kadavul/bhagawan says or die! Well, that and about 6,000 more languages. 6,500 if you include the dead ones.

I'm impressed that you managed to sneak bhagawan in there at the end. Not many people know that word.

Also, I already refer to him as Deus *points to country name*.

EDIT: Well, not many people know that word aside from the 1 billion or so Hindus in the world. Just to clarify and all...

A female Pakistani government minister was murdered for refusing to wear the veil:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253125,00.html

A bloodthirsty savage from Somalia, having stolen a cab and posed as a legitimate cab driver, attempted to run down two students who had the audacity to engage in an argument over religion with him:

http://www.wsmv.com/news/11048353/detail.html

Of course, no real Moslem would do such a thing, because Islam is the religion of peace and advocates tolerance and wants women to have equal rights with men yadda yadda yadda.

Er, that or Islam is the religion (to arrogantly impose Western civil rights standards on a non-Western culture) that creates a hostile environment of hatred, intolerance and violence everywhere its minions reach critical mass.

BTW: since the first story was reported by Fox News, and the second story was the subject of postings on http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015333.php , they must also be biased and part of that vast right-wing conspiracy. Be warned.

First, I do not know you well, thus I am having difficulty parsing your stance out of this heap of sarcasm. If you could write more coherently that would be much appreciated--unless, of course, you are merely here to rant.

Second, I changed "American" to "Western" in the above (bold) quote for the reason that it is largely ignorant to assume that those civil rights standards are American alone when it is the result of Westernization, which extends well before the American nation, that has resulted in the misunderstanding and misapplication of cultural norms as you describe.

I'm impressed that you managed to sneak bhagawan in there at the end. Not many people know that word.

Also, I already refer to him as Deus *points to country name*.

EDIT: Well, not many people know that word aside from the 1 billion or so Hindus in the world. Just to clarify and all...

I actually did a quick research on that Yahoo questions page about God's name in a few languages.

Do what Jesus says or burn in hell for all eternity while saved Christians laugh down at you from heaven.

Somehow Allah is looking pretty merciful.

Actually it should be:

Do what Allah/God/Deus/Dieu/Dios/Gott/Kami-sama/Eloheem/Owa Tagoo Siam/Khudah/Бог/Gud/上帝/isten/dio/jumala/Kadavul/bhagawan says or die! Well, that and about 6,000 more languages. 6,500 if you include the dead ones.

:mad: You missed mentioning my 33 million gods of the hindu pantheon. I am offended.


:p

Do what Jesus says or burn in hell for all eternity while saved Christians laugh down at you from heaven.

Somehow Allah is looking pretty merciful.

You forgot, Fred Phelps and the 700 Club doesn't compute in Mit's mind.

You forgot, Fred Phelps and the 700 Club doesn't compute in Mit's mind.

Neither does Muslim Marines apparently. He hasn't tried to blow up Quantico yet.

:mad: You missed mentioning my 33 million gods of the hindu pantheon. I am offended.


:p

Vishnu...

Ok. One down, 32,999,999 to go.