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It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh?

He's as gay as a window.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?
does it matter who's gay and who isn't? not to me.

because, I believe out of all the TOS characters, Sulu was the only one who was family oriented.

(also his daughter dies in one of the Star Trek novels. :( )

Yes he is and that was terrific.

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh?Both, I'd imagine.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?Veeeeery old story :rolleyes:

Sulu is not just gay... he's awesome gay

He was hilarious at the Will Shatner roast where everyone kept calling him otu on his gayness (him and Andy Dick who is a surprisingly poor sport about it - unless it's just an act but he seems to get pretty pissed, but then he goes and pretends to give Tommy head)... anywayyyyyyyyyyy

Yeah

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2329/lastweekgd2.jpg

Or last year.

I love it when gays bash themselves. Tim is so far in the closet he passed the Christmas presents ages ago.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?
If he were gay, Pat Robertson would have phoned god to make him strike him down with a big fucking fat thunderbolt. So no.;)

Yes, he is gay, and in a long term relationship with, I believe, his publicist. I love his sense of humor. Go George!

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?

...Nazz...YES Takei is gay. He announced as much last year or so...possibly back in 2005.

Sulu is not just gay... he's awesome gay

He was hilarious at the Pamela Anderson roast where everyone kept calling him otu on his gayness (him and Andy Dick who is a surprisingly poor sport about it - unless it's just an act but he seems to get pretty pissed, but then he goes and pretends to give Tommy head)... anywayyyyyyyyyyy

Yeah


Andy Dick is I believe bisexual, so you can figure he'd take gay jokes a bit less well.

Yes he is.

He has been on the Stern show many times.

He is much more funny now!

(also his daughter dies in one of the Star Trek novels. :( )

Actually, she never really died in the novel, if I remember correctly(I only read it once, a few years ago.) I think what died was actually some kind of medical experiment or something on an old planet that creates insane, barbaric clones of people because it failed...or some Orion pirates took it over...or something...but in any case, Demora Sulu never actually died.

Actually, she never really died in the novel, if I remember correctly(I only read it once, a few years ago.) I think what died was actually some kind of medical experiment or something on an old planet that creates insane, barbaric clones of people because it failed...or some Orion pirates took it over...or something...but in any case, Demora Sulu never actually died.

ah... good to know.

Actually, she never really died in the novel, if I remember correctly(I only read it once, a few years ago.) I think what died was actually some kind of medical experiment or something on an old planet that creates insane, barbaric clones of people because it failed...or some Orion pirates took it over...or something...but in any case, Demora Sulu never actually died.

Dear lord, don't let this thread turn into a flame war between alternative Trek factions over the canonicity of Demora dying or not.

Andy Dick is I believe bisexual, so you can figure he'd take gay jokes a bit less well.

I wouldnt figure that because I am bisexual and I take gay jokes just fine.

I wouldnt figure that because I am bisexual and I take gay jokes just fine.

I believe he's had quite a number of people try to tell him he's just gay, so he's sensitive about it. Either that or he's just a drama queen.

sulu is straight. takei is gay gay gay.

why arent there gay people in the future?

Dear lord, don't let this thread turn into a flame war between alternative Trek factions over the canonicity of Demora dying or not.

...what?

No, see, the novel in question, with its title, front cover picture, and back cover summary makes it look like she dies, but that's part of the plot twist, and I figured JuNii didn't know that because she didn't read the novel, whereas I did so I thought I'd let her in on it.

It's not like the novels are canon anyway, because they're not. I was just letting a person in on information, nothing more.

sulu is straight. takei is gay gay gay.

why arent there gay people in the future?

Because the Trek writers are pansies.

...what?

No, see, the novel in question, with its title, front cover picture, and back cover summary makes it look like she dies, but that's part of the plot twist, and I figured JuNii didn't know that because she didn't read the novel, whereas I did so I thought I'd let her in on it.

It's not like the novels are canon anyway, because they're not. I was just letting a person in on information, nothing more.

and that is correct, I didn't read the book, so no argument from me about it. :p

Sulu is gay?

No! Next thing you know, people will be saying I'm gay, and how ludicrous is that?

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?

Takei came out in late 05.

I now get a chuckle every time Sulu says "aft shields down Captain."

sulu is straight. takei is gay gay gay.

why arent there gay people in the future?

Because there already were a black woman (that even kissed a white alien) and a communist on the bridge. There is only so much controversy a show can take.

Because the Trek writers are pansies.

i guess thats why god made fanfiction. in fanfiction everyone is gay.

Because the Trek writers are pansies.

There was an episode of The Next Generation that was meant to serve as a way for straight people to see how gay people felt by showing people with any gender as wrong in some way. It was called First Contact, I think...lemme find it here on Ex Astris Scientia...
EDIT: Original link is wrong, as is title. let me find the REAL episode, please...

EDIT 2: Sorry, it was actually called The Outcast...no idea why I keep mixing the episode titles of those two episodes up...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/tng5.htm

Also, I think there may have been plans for a homosexually based episode back during the Original Series days, but Roddenbarry turned it down because it basically made the situation for the homosexual to be the same as it is now--rather persecuted--and he didn't like that since it didn't jive with his futuristic dream.

EDIT3: Wrong again:
Although certain groups were always calling for it, homosexuality never appeared as a topic in Star Trek. Actually, in the early days of TNG, a script by David Gerrold was turned down by Roddenberry because the homosexual relationship of two crew members was presented like something unusual - rather from a viewpoint of the 20th century and therefore not fitting for the world of the Federation where there should be more tolerance

Frankly, I think had they just made one of the main characters on DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise gay without making them all about their gayness, it would have fit perfectly.

...

Oh, wait, there IS homosexuality in Star Trek, specifically the DS9 episodes of the Mirror Universe. I'm pretty sure Mirror Kira is a lesbian, and I know Mirror Leeta and Mirror Ezri are as well. It's just lesbianism, no male homosexuality, but it's there.

Sulu is gay?

No! Next thing you know, people will be saying I'm gay, and how ludicrous is that?

Does that mean you can't have children?

It's just lesbianism, no male homosexuality, but it's there.

Yeah, because lesbianism isn't real homosexuality... :rolleyes:

There was an episode of The Next Generation that was meant to serve as a way for straight people to see how gay people felt by showing people with any gender as wrong in some way. It was called First Contact, I think...lemme find it here on Ex Astris Scientia...
EDIT: Original link is wrong, as is title. let me find the REAL episode, please...

EDIT 2: Sorry, it was actually called The Outcast...no idea why I keep mixing the episode titles of those two episodes up...

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/tng5.htm

Also, I think there may have been plans for a homosexually based episode back during the Original Series days, but Roddenbarry turned it down because it basically made the situation for the homosexual to be the same as it is now--rather persecuted--and he didn't like that since it didn't jive with his futuristic dream.

Frankly, I think had they just made one of the main characters on DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise gay without making them all about their gayness, it would have fit perfectly.

...

Oh, wait, there IS homosexuality in Star Trek, specifically the DS9 episodes of the Mirror Universe. I'm pretty sure Mirror Kira is a lesbian, and I know Mirror Leeta and Mirror Ezri are as well. It's just lesbianism, no male homosexuality, but it's there.


mirror kira is omnisexual. i dont know about mirror ezri, that episode was on today but i didnt watch it except to note that unlike regular ezri, mirror ezri is HOT.

it just means that Fass needs the help of a turkey baster in order to have children.

(Crude humor timewarp! WOOO!)

Does that mean you can't have children?

Not according to my sperm counts. Don't ask me why I know my sperm count...

mirror kira is omnisexual. i dont know about mirror ezri, that episode was on today but i didnt watch it except to note that unlike regular ezri, mirror ezri is HOT.

Dax has been both male and female. *Some* bisexual tendencies will no doubt have crept in when the symbiont joined with the host.

Besides, we have seen aliens that did not limit themselves to two genders ;)

Does that mean you can't have children?

pssst

no men can have children. they can impregnate women who can then have babies. that is possible regardless of sexual orientation.

i guess thats why god made fanfiction. in fanfiction everyone is gay.

Fanfic is so badly written though.. Enterprise bad.

Dax has been both male and female. *Some* bisexual tendencies will no doubt have crept in when the symbiont joined with the host.

Besides, we have seen aliens that did not limit themselves to two genders ;)

Hell, the first time we saw the Trill (which, by the way, presented them as taking over complete control of the host, rather than just giving memories and behavioral nudges) There was a Trill in a male body who had to be transferred into Riker's body, then into a female body, all the while the Trill symbiote was in a relationship with Beverly Crusher. The trill, now in a female body, asked Beverly if she wanted to continue the relationship, and Beverly said that she couldn't cope with the sudden changes in body. This seemed to imply that if she could have a guarantee that there would be no more body switching, that she would have pursued a relationship with a woman.

Yeah, because lesbianism isn't real homosexuality... :rolleyes:

My apologies for the misphrase, as that's not what I meant. I was merely pointing out that only one gender's homosexuality was represented. Considering my sister is a lesbian(not to mention could kill me six ways to Sunday) I'll be damned if I'd let anyone say that lesbianism is not real homosexuality, especially myself.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?


It is true, he is gay.

Sulu is gay?

No! Next thing you know, people will be saying I'm gay, and how ludicrous is that?

I wouldn't say gay... but you are really, extra happy most of the time. I think a better word would be "chipper".

it just means that Fass needs the help of a turkey baster in order to have children.

If you think I can't stick my penis into a vagina, well, been there, done that and you thought wrong.

My apologies for the misphrase, as that's not what I meant. I was merely pointing out that only one gender's homosexuality was represented. Considering my sister is a lesbian(not to mention could kill me six ways to Sunday) I'll be damned if I'd let anyone say that lesbianism is not real homosexuality, especially myself.

Way to deflate my argumentative mood.

/has a cookie instead.

The actor, George Takei is gay (As has been stated he came out a couple years ago.)

The character, Hikaru Sulu was not. He had a daughter, checked ou t the ladies on the shipp a few times, and alternate evil Sulu tried to pounce Uhura right on the bridge...

Just to avoid any confusion that may have arisen.

Hell, the first time we saw the Trill (which, by the way, presented them as taking over complete control of the host, rather than just giving memories and behavioral nudges) There was a Trill in a male body who had to be transferred into Riker's body, then into a female body, all the while the Trill symbiote was in a relationship with Beverly Crusher. The trill, now in a female body, asked Beverly if she wanted to continue the relationship, and Beverly said that she couldn't cope with the sudden changes in body. This seemed to imply that if she could have a guarantee that there would be no more body switching, that she would have pursued a relationship with a woman.

that wasnt the impression i had. i felt that should couldnt handle the trill being a woman. although the trill were somewhat different in TNG than in DS9, i dont think there was an implication that there would be constant body changing. the trill was in a body that didnt turn beverly on. they parted.

of course in series tv, you have to have a reason for twu wuv to be impossible so they had to manufacture a reason why beverly couldnt possibly keep her trill lover.

If you think I can't stick my penis into a vagina, well, been there, done that and you thought wrong.

It was more out of a desire for crude humor than ignorance, I assure you.

that wasnt the impression i had. i felt that should couldnt handle the trill being a woman. although the trill were somewhat different in TNG than in DS9, i dont think there was an implication that there would be constant body changing. the trill was in a body that didnt turn beverly on. they parted.

of course in series tv, you have to have a reason for twu wuv to be impossible so they had to manufacture a reason why beverly couldnt possibly keep her trill lover.

I agree. I got the impression it was that she wasn't interested in a non-male companion. She seemed to deal with the trill switching into Riker just fine...

Fanfic is so badly written though.. Enterprise bad.

as in so many things, god has bad quality control when it comes to fanfiction.

pssst

no men can have children. they can impregnate women who can then have babies. that is possible regardless of sexual orientation.


Psst ... it's something that takes both men and women to accomplish, neither can do it by themselves.

that wasnt the impression i had. i felt that should couldnt handle the trill being a woman. although the trill were somewhat different in TNG than in DS9, i dont think there was an implication that there would be constant body changing. the trill was in a body that didnt turn beverly on. they parted.

of course in series tv, you have to have a reason for twu wuv to be impossible so they had to manufacture a reason why beverly couldnt possibly keep her trill lover.

I guess you have somewhat of a point at the last part, and I would hate to be a series character because of this. I thought High school was full of angst!

Of course, whenever Star Trek touches homosexuality, it seems to be with a ten foot pole. They touch the concept of transgendered people with an episode about an androgynous individual who wants to be female, and in a relationship with Riker. They touch homosexuality with the Trill, and then with the mirror universe. I vote that the next star trek just says to hell with it all and gives us a gay captain.

pssst

no men can have children. they can impregnate women who can then have babies. that is possible regardless of sexual orientation.

Pssst.

It was a joke.

Way to deflate my argumentative mood.

/has a cookie instead.

That's what I'm here for: peace, love, and harmony all around.

Psst ... it's something that takes both men and women to accomplish, neither can do it by themselves.

Liar!

Mrs. Cartman didn't have a problem!

I guess you have somewhat of a point at the last part, and I would hate to be a series character because of this. I thought High school was full of angst!

Of course, whenever Star Trek touches homosexuality, it seems to be with a ten foot pole. They touch the concept of transgendered people with an episode about an androgynous individual who wants to be female, and in a relationship with Riker. They touch homosexuality with the Trill, and then with the mirror universe. I vote that the next star trek just says to hell with it all and gives us a gay captain.

i wish they would too. not that trek is particularly family friendly. they suggest that there are married couples with children on the ship but none of the senior staff are married. companionship doesnt seem to be much of a priority with starfleet officers.

was it?

dont quit your day job.

edit-

Is there a rule against bad jokes?

Pssst.

It was a joke.

was it?

dont quit your day job.

Oh, wait, there IS homosexuality in Star Trek, specifically the DS9 episodes of the Mirror Universe. I'm pretty sure Mirror Kira is a lesbian, and I know Mirror Leeta and Mirror Ezri are as well.

Mirror Kira and Mirror Ezri are indeed lesbians (well, Mirror Kira may be bi; I can't remember exactly).

More interesting is the episode where Dax (Jadzia) and other female Trill resume a relationship from the days when Dax was male. And they do kiss on screen. The episode is cleverly done: the fact that they're both women is never commented on (and therefore not considered unusual or "shocking" in the 24th century); instead, the controversy is that they're breaking a Trill taboo based on relationships with the loved ones of previous hosts.

And of course "The Outcast" in TNG is implicitly about homosexuality and how it's perfectly normal and should be accepted.

After getting hammered in this thread, I'm starting to take a perverse pride for not knowing this.

More interesting is the episode where Dax (Jadzia) and other female Trill resume a relationship from the days when Dax was male. And they do kiss on screen. The episode is cleverly done: the fact that they're both women is never commented on (and therefore not considered unusual or "shocking" in the 24th century); instead, the controversy is that they're breaking a Trill taboo based on relationships with the loved ones of previous hosts.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Too bad it was taboo, too, as that might've made for an interesting new addition to the series rather than a one-shot.

After getting hammered in this thread, I'm starting to take a perverse pride for not knowing this.

you shouldnt

well at least not the part about takei being gay

well ok the rest is so geekish that it cant be a point of pride to not know this stuff. its too obscure. its like being proud that you never went to a trek convention dressed like an andorian.

anyway. takei turns out to be very funny. he did the william shatner roast on comedy central and was hilarious. he was totally game for being the focus of many quite crude gay jokes and told many of his own very well. he's really making up for far too many years in the closet.

anyway. takei turns out to be very funny. he did the william shatner roast on comedy central and was hilarious. he was totally game for being the focus of many quite crude gay jokes and told many of his own very well. he's really making up for far too many years in the closet.
I saw him at a con one time and he really IS hilarious. I still think they should have made a series based upon him instead of Enterprise.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?

Yes, he's gay. I've known that since the 1970s. What planet have you been on?

...Nazz...YES Takei is gay. He announced as much last year or so...possibly back in 2005.

Everyone in SF fandom knew it in the 80s, or earlier. At least that's when he tried to pick up my friend at an after-party at ComicCon in San Diego. He was pretty blatant.

It's one of the funnier responses to the Tim Hardaway Hates Gay people story, on Jimmy Kimmel the other night:

Clicky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Esalon%2Ecom%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2F%3Flast%5Fstory%3D%2Fent%2Fvideo%5Fdog%2Fc omedy%2F2007%2F02%2F20%2Fjimmy%5Fkimmel%5Ftakei%5Fhardaway%2F)

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh? And why, out of all the old-ass characters in Generations, was he the one who had a kid?

He came out a while ago. It was, I believe, an open secret for some time and sometime during the last six or so months he confirmed it.

Everyone in SF fandom knew it in the 80s, or earlier. At least that's when he tried to pick up my friend at an after-party at ComicCon in San Diego. He was pretty blatant.

Really?

I thought he was attached to his boyfriends for a couple decades?

Hmpf? Then again I don't know the dates.

I thought people would have suspected it from that old star trek episode where he was running around the halls shirtless with a sword.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/STNakedTime.jpg

Really?

I thought he was attached to his boyfriends for a couple decades?

Hmpf? Then again I don't know the dates.

I thought people would have suspected it from that old star trek episode where he was running around the halls shirtless with a sword.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/STNakedTime.jpg

thats another joke right? that only gay guys go shirtless in the future?

thats another joke right? that only gay guys go shirtless in the future?

:rolleyes:

Keep digging.

thats another joke right? that only gay guys go shirtless in the future?

Nope. It's definitely serious. It's common knowledge that if straight or even bi people went shirtless in the future, their bodies would disintegrate in a matter of seconds. =]

zhukant

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thats another joke right? that only gay guys go shirtless in the future?

...waving their swords around, threatening to stab any Kingons... :p

Of course, now I keep thinking about sulu's measured, steady voice...

Sulu makes me hot.

Of course, now I keep thinking about sulu's measured, steady voice...
The word 'mellifluous' comes to mind.
Sulu makes me hot.
What's not to like?

i wish they would too. not that trek is particularly family friendly. they suggest that there are married couples with children on the ship but none of the senior staff are married. companionship doesnt seem to be much of a priority with starfleet officers.

Well, married life doesn't fit the concept of the explorer very well, which is what Kirk and Picard were doing. Now on DS9, there were at least 2 marriages ongoing, (Worf and Jadzia, Obrian and Keiko) as well as several long term relationships (Sisco and his girlfriend, Odo and Kira.) this probably has to do with the fact that DS9 was not about exploration, but about a space station, so things were much more stable.

Everyone in SF fandom knew it in the 80s, or earlier. At least that's when he tried to pick up my friend at an after-party at ComicCon in San Diego. He was pretty blatant.

Oh yeah, sure. Next you'll be trying to tell be that 2001: A Space Odyssey was written by some faggot.

Well, married life doesn't fit the concept of the explorer very well, which is what Kirk and Picard were doing.
No, PICARD was exploring space. Kirk was busy exploring alien women each week. ;)

Oh yeah, sure. Next you'll be trying to tell be that 2001: A Space Odyssey was written by some faggot.

or west side story...

oh yeah i guess that one is pretty obvious.

Yeah, because lesbianism isn't real homosexuality... :rolleyes:

Lesbianism is hot though.

Just watch the DS9 episode "The Emperor's New Cloak." You have to admit it's hot seeing that almost every woman in the mirror universe is either bi or a lesbian. I immediately began liking Ezri more after seeing that episode.

No, PICARD was exploring space. Kirk was busy exploring alien women each week. ;)

You have to admit we all had a chuckle during "Wrath of Khan." Everyone wondered how many little bastard Kirks were running around the galaxy. We finally met one in that movie.

Well, married life doesn't fit the concept of the explorer very well, which is what Kirk and Picard were doing. Now on DS9, there were at least 2 marriages ongoing, (Worf and Jadzia, Obrian and Keiko) as well as several long term relationships (Sisco and his girlfriend, Odo and Kira.) this probably has to do with the fact that DS9 was not about exploration, but about a space station, so things were much more stable.

TOS wouldnt have been amenable to long term relationships but TNG had more of a homey feel to it. a captain and the rest of the senior staff could easily have had actual private lives. it would have been good for them.

TOS wouldnt have been amenable to long term relationships but TNG had more of a homey feel to it. a captain and the rest of the senior staff could easily have had actual private lives. it would have been good for them.
Maybe, but then again, everyone in TNG seems to have dead parent(s) as well. So maybe there's some psycological issues there...


*Ok, I'm letting that sleeping trekie wake up waaaaay too much here*

Because the Trek writers are pansies.

That's why DS9 had what I believe was the first lesbian kiss on TV:rolleyes:

mirror kira is omnisexual. i dont know about mirror ezri, that episode was on today but i didnt watch it except to note that unlike regular ezri, mirror ezri is HOT.

I watched it today. I agree about mirror Ezri.

She was a lesbian though. Brunt made the comment that "he's not her type."

TOS wouldnt have been amenable to long term relationships but TNG had more of a homey feel to it. a captain and the rest of the senior staff could easily have had actual private lives. it would have been good for them.

well yeah, because in TNG they brought their spouses and kids along. In TOS, Starfleet was more military in nature.

That's why DS9 had what I believe was the first lesbian kiss on TV:rolleyes:

and TOS had the first interracial kiss on TV. ;)

Dax has been both male and female. *Some* bisexual tendencies will no doubt have crept in when the symbiont joined with the host.

Besides, we have seen aliens that did not limit themselves to two genders ;)That would affect Ezri in our universe, but not in the mirror universe. Ezri in the mirror universe was an unjoined Trill. The Dax symbiont likely died with Jadzia in the mirror universe.

I had a girl friend who was bisexual, but she cheated on me and did not even have the decency to let me watch.:(

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Too bad it was taboo, too, as that might've made for an interesting new addition to the series rather than a one-shot.

That taboo really made it interesting after Jadzia died since Ezri had to work with Worf on a day-to-day basis. They did hook up once though. That didn't end well.:p

Maybe, but then again, everyone in TNG seems to have dead parent(s) as well. So maybe there's some psycological issues there...


*Ok, I'm letting that sleeping trekie wake up waaaaay too much here*

lol. i would never talk about this stuff in public, it makes me feel like im wearing the andorian costume.

Poking fun of Tim Hardaway's demise, sweet :D & yet sad :( .

lol. i would never talk about this stuff in public, it makes me feel like im wearing the andorian costume.
Sadly, I once did talk about this in public and DID have the uniforms... and the posters... and the tape collection... and, well... Yeah, I was indeed a Trekie.

Maybe, but then again, everyone in TNG seems to have dead parent(s) as well. So maybe there's some psycological issues there...

You know...you're right.

Picard - parents both dead, as far as we know

Data - no real parents to speak of, his "father" died during the series

Diana - father dead, mother alive

Riker - mother dead, father alive

Wesley Crusher - father dead, mother alive and on the ship

Beverly Crusher - not explicitly stated, her parents are never mentioned

LaForge - mother declared MIA during the series

Worf - biological parents killed at kidimer, adoptive parents still alive. May be the only one with two people living he identifies as parents.

Sadly, I once did talk about this in public and DID have the uniforms... and the posters... and the tape collection... and, well... Yeah, I was indeed a Trekie.

ive only gone as far as reading the books back before the next generation started.

you didnt wear the uniforms in public when you werent at a convention did you? remember that woman on the whitewater grand jury who wore hers to court every day?

You know...you're right.

Picard - parents both dead, as far as we know

Data - no real parents to speak of, his "father" died during the series

Diana - father dead, mother alive

Riker - mother dead, father alive

Wesley Crusher - father dead, mother alive and on the ship

Beverly Crusher - not explicitly stated, her parents are never mentioned

LaForge - mother declared MIA during the series

Worf - biological parents killed at kidimer, adoptive parents still alive. May be the only one with two people living he identifies as parents. kinda reads like those Disney films.

how many full length animated films feature the main character having Both Parents alive?

ive only gone as far as reading the books back before the next generation started.

you didnt wear the uniforms in public when you werent at a convention did you? remember that woman on the whitewater grand jury who wore hers to court every day?
*tries to look innocent and fails*
A couple of times, yes. And I wore various insignia or rank pins/pips almost daily.

Picard - parents both dead, as far as we know
His mother is definately dead. It was mentioned in "Where No One has Gone Before".

kidimer,

Khitomer! Khitomer!

Also: of course Picard's parents are dead. He was nigh seventy when he took command of the Enterprise-D for Trek's sake.

That's why DS9 had what I believe was the first lesbian kiss on TV:rolleyes:

If the writers had any balls Kirk would of kissed Sulu instead of Uhura.

The Outcast was meant to be the "gay" episode. Jonathon Frakes has mentioned in interviews that he wishes the actor playing his love interest had been male.

Now I'm confused--is Takei really gay or is he having a laugh?

Welcome to October 2005

and TOS had the first interracial kiss on TV. ;)

...in the US. The UK had one in '64.

That's why DS9 had what I believe was the first lesbian kiss on TV:rolleyes:

In '95? Beaten to the punch in the US by LA Law in '91.

...in the US. The UK had one in '64.

In '95? Beaten to the punch in the US by LA Law in '91.

Everyone knows the world ends at the US border.

Everyone knows the world ends at the US border.

The weird thing is that it starts up again and then stops for non-contiguous parts of the USA.

The weird thing is that it starts up again and then stops for non-contiguous parts of the USA.

There be dragons in between.

There be dragons in between.
Trouser dragons?

Because the Trek writers are pansies.

A fair assessment.

DS9, so heralded for a screen kiss between two women, had to predicate and soften that "blow" with Trill biology.

See, Jadzia was once Curzon in her previous life, and Curzon was male. So Curzon's former wife shows up and meets Jadzia who, despite Trill prohibitions, still feels love for the ex. In one scene, they kiss, but it's not a gay kiss because of that Trill biological asterisk.

Weak sauce.

Another example was Will Riker's liaison with a member of a nominally androgynous race in ST:NG. The flirting with gayness is fully tempered by the androgyny, plus the fact that the person Will's kissing, despite her species prohibition, identifies as -- you guessed it -- female.

Weaker sauce.

Trouser dragons?

Come over and see.

Beverly Crusher - not explicitly stated, her parents are never mentioned



Wasn't there a ST:NG episode in Beverly's mother's or grandmother's house where she meets a spectre or wraith of some sort who uses the women in her family for some nefarious purpose, which Beverly, being the archetypical "strong female character" manages, after much angst, to resist and defeat?

Holy balls, that was a long sentence.

Another example was Will Riker's liaison with a member of a nominally androgynous race in ST:NG. The flirting with gayness is fully tempered by the androgyny, plus the fact that the person Will's kissing, despite her species prohibition, identifies as -- you guessed it -- female.

Weaker sauce.

I'm not convinced that that bit was supposed to have homosexual implications, I think it was more about allowing us to see flawed morality from an outsider's point of view, without any preconceptions. But that's just my guess.

I think what died was actually some kind of medical experiment or something on an old planet that creates insane, barbaric clones of people because it failed...
No, that was Ruffy's clone from Ladamesansmerci.
:(

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