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Federal researchers say neurocysticercosis, a brain infection caused by a pork tapeworm, is a “growing public health problem in the United States,” especially in states bordering Mexico, where the disease is endemic.
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“In Hispanics and Latinos, neurocysticercosis accounts for 13.5 percent of [U.S.] emergency-room visits for seizures,” federal and California investigators wrote in their report in Acta Neurologica Scandinavica published late last year. “The growth is mainly due to immigration from endemic developing countries,” they reported.

“So if you have people cooking for you or handling your food who are tapeworm carriers and don’t have good personal hygiene, you will be exposed to the eggs of the tapeworm” and become infected by swallowing food they touch, Mr. Tsang explained.

Not good at all. It's really the fault of the businesses who hire illegals and pay them on the cheap to do, literally, their dirty work.

Maybe the wall is a good idea after all. In the old days (legal) immigrants to America were screened for diseases, weren't they? (I'm basing this on the Godfather II)

Hmm. Nice tasty pork tapeworm.

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Not good at all. It's really the fault of the businesses who hire illegals and pay them on the cheap to do, literally, their dirty work.

Maybe the wall is a good idea after all. In the old days (legal) immigrants to America were screened for diseases, weren't they? (I'm basing this on the Godfather II)

Ah, right, that is that parasite that only lives in people who are in the country illegally. Curious little bugger. Wonder how he knows that.

Would you like flied lice with your noodles, sir?

http://www.vitabeat.com/health-pictures2/major-breakthrough-in-battling-intestinal-roundworm-infections-pSY.jpg

Ah, right, that is that parasite that only lives in people who are in the country illegally. Curious little bugger. Wonder how he knows that. So poorly educated people from the rural parts of what is in places a third world country are just as likely to have parasites and diseases as people from a first world country?

Thank you for explaining why Australians die of cholera at the same rate as Zimbabweans.

Ah, right, that is that parasite that only lives in people who are in the country illegally. Curious little bugger. Wonder how he knows that.

He checks to see if they have a greencard. No documents=fair game.

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I'm starting to see a pattern here...

Ah, right, that is that parasite that only lives in people who are in the country illegally. Curious little bugger. Wonder how he knows that.

As I understand it, countries that may not have fantastic standards of cleanliness would mean the chance of getting this parasite is higher. Simply the way it is, no need to imply that only illegal immigrants are going to get this thing. Simply the fault of their living conditions at their previous place of residence.

My point is that with an illegal immigrant you can't tell the state of his health. A legal immigrant can be checked for diseases or poor health. So the risk is far higher with illegal immigrants - as evidenced by this article.

He checks to see if they have a greencard. No documents=fair game.Smart worm! Especially because he should rightfully be as illiterate as his illegal hosts. Tsk. Overachiever.

So poorly educated people from the rural parts of what is in places a third world country are just as likely to have parasites and diseases as people from a first world country?

Thank you for explaining why Australians die of cholera at the same rate as Zimbabweans.You are boggling my mind today. You don't even notice that I was talking about immigrants who are - perish the thought! - in the country legally? They never crossed your mind at all before you started your bullshit rant in the OP? Guess they don't exit in your ideal world, eh?

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I'm starting to see a pattern here...You're so not the only one.

My point is that with an illegal immigrant you can't tell the state of his health. A legal immigrant can be checked for diseases or poor health. So the risk is far higher with illegal immigrants - as evidenced by this article.
Wheee! They check citizens' shit for tapeworm eggs in Sweden? I assume yours is certified tapeworm egg free, what with you living there legally and all, I hope?

Congratulations! :fluffle:

You are boggling my mind today. You don't even notice that I was talking about immigrants who are - perish the thought! - in the country legally? They never crossed your mind at all before you started your bullshit rant in the OP? Guess they don't exit in your ideal world, eh? I addressed that - in the OP.

"Maybe the wall is a good idea after all. In the old days (legal) immigrants to America were screened for diseases, weren't they?"

IE, unless you actually decide to let someone in who you know to have a parasite, it is not going to happen.

You're so not the only one. Pattern recognition is a sign of intelligence. I like to talk with intelligent people.

Pattern recognition is a sign of intelligence. I like to talk with intelligent people.

Why, cuz it gives you a goal in life? :p

Eh, whatev, someone hijack this thread so I can come back and have fun.

I addressed that - in the OP.

"Maybe the wall is a good idea after all. In the old days (legal) immigrants to America were screened for diseases, weren't they?"

IE, unless you actually decide to let someone in who you know to have a parasite, it is not going to happen. How on earth is that addressing the point?

As long as they don't screen the shit of legal immigrants for tapeworm eggs, this thread is pointless.

Pattern recognition is a sign of intelligence. I like to talk with intelligent people.I honestly wouldn't have guessed.

Why, cuz it gives you a goal in life? :p

Eh, whatev, someone hijack this thread so I can come back and have fun.

We could start talking about what we believe to be signs of intelligence. We could have some fun that way. ;)

How on earth is that addressing the point?

As long as they don't screen the shit of legal immigrants for tapeworm eggs, this thread is pointless. You can find worms by other means. Scanning etc. Symptoms. Finding worms is, in many cases, a good deal easier than finding "normal diseases" - at least the worm isn't microscopic.

Or, here's an idea - deport people with diseases or parasites. Probably a good idea to include citizens or animals infected with worms as well, actually.

We could start talking about what we believe to be signs of intelligence. We could have some fun that way. ;)

Hmm...

I think of it like porn, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

I for one welcome more tapeworms. Maybe they'll help us all slim down a bit.

Smart worm! Especially because he should rightfully be as illiterate as his illegal hosts. Tsk. Overachiever.nah, didn't you know, those green cards are like flea collars. just having one on your body kills the tape worms. then after spending some time here, the "trans Fats" in the food prevents em from coming back. :p

Hmm...

I think of it like porn, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

I'll watch the eyes. If they start to glaze over when you say something like that criticizing the government doesn't make you un-American then you know you have someone whose intelligence is sub-par at best.

hmmm... do I smell xenophobia or racism?

hmmm... do I smell xenophobia or racism?

Both. Smothered in idiocy and bacon bits, mixed then baked again.

Both. Smothered in idiocy and bacon bits, mixed then baked again.

And cheese....lots and lots of cheese....preferably processed.

Both. Smothered in idiocy and bacon bits, mixed then baked again.

And cheese....lots and lots of cheese....preferably processed.

Good thing I already ate lunch. Between the two of your posts I'm going to get hungry enough to beat up an illegal Mexican family and steal their tacos.

Why, cuz it gives you a goal in life? :p

Eh, whatev, someone hijack this thread so I can come back and have fun.

I like pie, do you like pie? I also love Pi.


Gotta say my favorite pie has got to be Blackberry, with some nice vanilla ice cream on the side. It's just this side of heaven.

I also have a weakness for blueberry. But I love all things blueberry.

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Not good at all. It's really the fault of the businesses who hire illegals and pay them on the cheap to do, literally, their dirty work.

Maybe the wall is a good idea after all. In the old days (legal) immigrants to America were screened for diseases, weren't they? (I'm basing this on the Godfather II)

The disease, and the parasite that causes it, is not restricted solely to illegal immigrants. The parasite is also found in legal immigrants from other developing nations, and tourists who visit these places.

Restaurants that do not maintain acceptable cleanliness standards are more at fault than illegal immigration.

Pattern recognition may be a sign of intelligence, but watching patterns evolve into chaos is a sign of reality.

Both. Smothered in idiocy and bacon bits, mixed then baked again.

I'd say it might be sprinkled rather liberally with ignorance as well.

hmmm... do I smell xenophobia or racism? Probably neither. If I was xenophobic it would cover Americans, and I've never seen a Latino.

Restaurants that do not maintain acceptable cleanliness standards are more at fault than illegal immigration. Knowingly hiring illegal immigrants is at fault, really.

Knowingly hiring illegal immigrants is at fault, really.

How are you missing the point here? Legal immigrants are not screened for these parasites, so how on earth does being an 'illegal'...or hiring 'illegals' have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with this?

NO ONE is supporting this incredible stretch of a claim from you. You see that at least, right? Please tell me you see it.

Or, here's an idea - deport people with diseases or parasites. Probably a good idea to include citizens or animals infected with worms as well, actually.

Here's a better idea...treat people diseases and parasites. WOW!

You can find worms by other means. Scanning etc. Symptoms. Finding worms is, in many cases, a good deal easier than finding "normal diseases" - at least the worm isn't microscopic.

Or, here's an idea - deport people with diseases or parasites. Probably a good idea to include citizens or animals infected with worms as well, actually.

actually, it is a great deal more difficult to find a parasite. For example, a tape worm doesn't really show much unless you irritate it.

Generally, you can't prove it is a parasite unless you find the parasite itself.


And yes, let's deport everyone who gets sick:rolleyes:

some disease screening probably would have been rather nice the first time around

some disease screening probably would have been rather nice the first time around

It's pretty sad when I had to read this twice to get it.:D

How are you missing the point here? Legal immigrants are not screened for these parasites, so how on earth does being an 'illegal'...or hiring 'illegals' have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with this?

NO ONE is supporting this incredible stretch of a claim from you. You see that at least, right? Please tell me you see it. Maybe it's because for the last two hours I've felt like I had one of those brain worms inside me.

I do see what you're saying. But it still would be a good idea to screen for diseases, and as I understand it the requirements for a green card are rather stringent, so poor rural Central Americans would be less likely to get one.

actually, it is a great deal more difficult to find a parasite. For example, a tape worm doesn't really show much unless you irritate it.

Generally, you can't prove it is a parasite unless you find the parasite itself. This is why quarantining for a certain length of time would be a good idea.

And yes, let's deport everyone who gets sick Well if they're illegal they tend to be deported anyway.
Here's a better idea...treat people diseases and parasites. WOW! In America people have to pay for healthcare, right?

It's pretty sad when I had to read this twice to get it.:D

maybe too obscure?

You see that last House episode? That girl who had that 20ft worm in her intestines? :eek: :p I believe it was Robert Winston who was in charge of a two-part series on parasites. This guy volunteered to eat a worm cyst and have himself "examined" to see how his friend was developing.

Getting rid of one of these things is not pleasant. If you look down, that is.

actually, it is a great deal more difficult to find a parasite. For example, a tape worm doesn't really show much unless you irritate it.

Generally, you can't prove it is a parasite unless you find the parasite itself.

You see that last House episode? That girl who had that 20ft worm in her intestines? :eek: :p

You see that last House episode? That girl who had that 20ft worm in her intestines? :eek: :p

haha...god I love House.

Actually, when I was disecting a cat a few years back, I found a 12' one. That was pretty gross.

Tape worms are kinda cool things tho...they can keep adding segments, so you have to remove the head or it comes back.

haha...god I love House.

Actually, when I was disecting a cat a few years back, I found a 12' one. That was pretty gross.

Tape worms are kinda cool things tho...they can keep adding segments, so you have to remove the head or it comes back.

*vomits*

Okay, now that's out of the way...why were you dissecting a cat?

Tapeworms might or might not have been sold as weight loss pills back in the day according to Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/vanities/tapeworm.asp

You see that last House episode? That girl who had that 20ft worm in her intestines? :eek: :p

Ever seen "Eaten Alive" on the Animal Planet? Now that will give you nightmares...

If you really wanted to stop the parasite at the border, you would have to give a blood test (assuming that a blood test would reveal the presence of the parasite) to all people, regardless of citizenship as soon as they arrived at the border crossing/airport/seaport. You would then have to quarantine all people infected, regardless of citizenship, until blood tests revealed the parasite was gone, and you would have to medicate the people during the quarantine as well.

This would also apply to livestock, obviously.

There's a simple solution, probably expensive, so a lot of employers won't do it. When they are hired, require a medical screening. Don't fire them if they're found to have parasites or infections, but require that they get treatment, at the employer's expense, as a condition of employment. Then provide health insurance. Require training in proper, sanitary food handling as a condition of employment, and then provide the training.

maybe too obscure?

I heard it whooshing over the head of the OP in particular.

But let it stand, it's fantastic:)

How rude to place the burden on business!!!

I am frequently rude.

Strangely, many people think I am a conservative.

If you really wanted to stop the parasite at the border, you would have to give a blood test (assuming that a blood test would reveal the presence of the parasite) to all people, regardless of citizenship as soon as they arrived at the border crossing/airport/seaport. You would then have to quarantine all people infected, regardless of citizenship, until blood tests revealed the parasite was gone, and you would have to medicate the people during the quarantine as well.

This would also apply to livestock, obviously.

That would kill tourism. Thus, never gonna happen.

I heard it whooshing over the head of the OP in particular.

But let it stand, it's fantastic:)

I will admit that I didn't get it.

And you're right about the tourism bit, Sin. I was just imagining daddy's little girl, on her way home from Cancun, having to stay in the quarantine area with Jesus, Maria, Pepe and their burro.:D

There's a simple solution, probably expensive, so a lot of employers won't do it. When they are hired, require a medical screening. Don't fire them if they're found to have parasites or infections, but require that they get treatment, at the employer's expense, as a condition of employment. Then provide health insurance. Require training in proper, sanitary food handling as a condition of employment, and then provide the training.
How rude to place the burden on business!!!

Require medical testing for new employees in food service, and greatly expand the health inspection system and strengthen its regulation to crack down on violations. It might be a little more expensive, but I would rather pay the extra tax and not have to worry about brain worms and any other diseases than pay less and take that risk. Hell, for that matter, the cost of lost business and productivity due to these kinds of problems is probably a lot greater than the cost of additional inspections or medical screening.

For that matter, we should also expand medical services in immigrant neighborhoods to combat the problem at its source.

I will admit that I didn't get it. But do you get it now? Something about the Santa Maria...

*vomits*

Okay, now that's out of the way...why were you dissecting a cat?

an anatomy course

They use to screen and hold all people who arrived on Ellis Island. Anyone who was sick was put into quarentine untill they got better, before being released to the general public. Anyone with a disease that they couldn't sure (At that time) was sent back to where they came (at the expense of the government).

As an American I have never had to deal with trying to get a green card to stay in this country so these rules I am not to sure of, but I would assume that the above screening and holding process still applies to ALL immigrants.

Part of the problem, as someone pointed out, is that businesses hire these illegals. The other part is we have enjoyed low prices on the products which these people produce while here illegally. Simple supply and demand. We demand the cheap fruit, veggies, beef and other farm goodies so the farmers supply it, through illegal means a lot of the times. One way to fix this problem is the simple solution that NO one here will enjoy but is essential to any TRUE free market system ... the abolishment of a minimum wage. Kick out all the illegals and then the farmers can pay their workers, who are legal now, the proper wage set by a free market system and we can still enjoy our cheap food. Besides statistics show that the families who actually live on minimum wage are miniscule at best. Most people who make it now are teenagers at part-time jobs; they aren't even the bread winners of the family.

*vomits*

Okay, now that's out of the way...why were you dissecting a cat?

I remember, when I was in second grade, the third grade class got to dissect a mink...

I remember, when I was in second grade, the third grade class got to dissect a mink...
The school probably produced mink coats to fund the lunch program. Sick.

The school probably produced mink coats to fun the lunch program. Sick.

We had a lunch program? Sweet.


I was jealous though, cuz all we got were dandelions with those silly razor things.

But do you get it now? Something about the Santa Maria...

Right. I'm a moron.

I remember, when I was in second grade, the third grade class got to dissect a mink...

you dissect a mink? we had to use TA's! :(

It was just so damn witty :D

It was. I'm just slow...

Right. I'm a moron.

It was just so damn witty :D

you dissect a mink? we had to use TA's! :(

I didn't, they did. My class got gypped.

It was just so damn witty :D

I'm disappointed in myself. I don't get it.

some disease screening probably would have been rather nice the first time around

For everyone that missed it:
You know...when immigrants FIRST came to North America, bringing disease that wiped out about 90% of the aboriginal population?

It's not funny when you have to explain it :(

Actually...yeah it is.

You racist, scumbag, piece of crap! How dare you not be in favor of allowing people unmitigated access to the US from where ever they want to come and how dare you point out the obvious problems with a policy that allows unfettered, uncontrolled immigration! You go to hell! You go to Hell and you die! :mad:

Oh shut up and go drown in your pool of sarcasm.

Are legal immigrants checked for parasites? No. So legal/illegal distinction makes no damn difference in this case.

My point is that with an illegal immigrant you can't tell the state of his health. A legal immigrant can be checked for diseases or poor health. So the risk is far higher with illegal immigrants - as evidenced by this article.

You racist, scumbag, piece of crap! How dare you not be in favor of allowing people unmitigated access to the US from where ever they want to come and how dare you point out the obvious problems with a policy that allows unfettered, uncontrolled immigration! You go to hell! You go to Hell and you die! :mad:

For everyone that missed it:
You know...when immigrants FIRST came to North America, bringing disease that wiped out about 90% of the aboriginal population?

It's not funny when you have to explain it :(

Actually...yeah it is.


I thought they mostly just killed them the old fashioned way. After killing them with blankets, breaking contract, stealing, raping, pillaging, destroying their homes, and forcing them into casinos. Yanno, all that good stuff.

I thought they mostly just killed them the old fashioned way. After killing them with blankets, breaking contract, stealing, raping, pillaging, destroying their homes, and forcing them into casinos. Yanno, all that good stuff.

Killing us with blankets? What, did they smother us in them? Spreading disease was the point of the blankets...the blankets themselves were not the weapons.

And no, disease pretty much did the job for them pre all the fun raping, killing and assorted mayhem.

Forcing us into casinos *howls* :D

Killing us with blankets? What, did they smother us in them? Spreading disease was the point of the blankets...the blankets themselves were not the weapons.

And no, disease pretty much did the job for them pre all the fun raping, killing and assorted mayhem.

Forcing us into casinos *howls* :D

But you gave us tobacco, and syphilis, if I recall correctly.

I think of lung cancer as Sitting Bull's Revenge.;)

I thought they mostly just killed them the old fashioned way. After killing them with blankets, breaking contract, stealing, raping, pillaging, destroying their homes, and forcing them into casinos. Yanno, all that good stuff.

smallpox and the like actually spread outwards in waves years ahead of most colonization attempts. so by the time the colonists moved into an area, it had usually recently had 50-80% of it's population killed off.

But you gave us tobacco, and syphilis, if I recall correctly.

I think of lung cancer as Sitting Bull's Revenge.;)

Oh HELL no! We did NOT have syphilis before the dirty Europeans brought it. Sheesh!

Killing us with blankets? What, did they smother us in them? Spreading disease was the point of the blankets...the blankets themselves were not the weapons.

You sure? Cuz I always imagined them as those blue fuzzy blankets, that are all frictony, and they've got a lot of static, and if you move around too much it gets tighter and tighter, till you fall out of the bed and escape, punching your way out of the beast as it attempts to squeeze your life away. Then you get a drink of water, pee, and go back to bed.

Forcing us into casinos *howls* :D

:D

I think of lung cancer as Sitting Bull's Revenge.;)

On the scale of revenges, I'd say you'd want to go with Moctezuma's.

Killing us with blankets? What, did they smother us in them?

there was a general policy of favoring attempts at killing the indigenous population with kindness.

also, one guy's aborted attempt to kill you softly with his song.

Oh HELL no! We did NOT have syphilis before the dirty Europeans brought it. Sheesh!

Well, the history books I read say that syphilis was brought from Cuba to Europe in 1493 with Columbus's return.

On the other hand, it could also be one of those 'dirty savages are responsible for disease' memes.

So I take the history book tale with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Apparently, no one wants to claim it as their own. From wikipedia:
While the Italian Girolamo Fracastoro called it the French disease, the Dutch called it the Spanish disease, the Russians called it the Polish disease, the Turks called it the Christian disease and the Tahitians called it the British disease.

Oh shut up and go drown in your pool of sarcasm.

Are legal immigrants checked for parasites? No. So legal/illegal distinction makes no damn difference in this case.

Wrong!

Editor—Charatan's story in news extra about tuberculosis among foreign born people in the United States requires clarification.1 The term immigrant is not used accurately. An immigrant to the United States is a person who is admitted as a lawful permanent resident or who becomes a permanent resident while living there. About 400000 people qualify in each category annually; about 70000 refugees enter annually.2

Within the Public Health Service, the Division of Quarantine of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention writes the guidelines for the medical examination required for all immigrants and refugees and notifies receiving health departments of those who may have tuberculosis (figure).
I understand your apprehension, though, because if they are found to have a disease like tuberculosis the US Gov usually does something extremely Nazi like:
potential immigrants and refugees who have infectious tuberculosis must be treated until they are not infectious. They are then allowed into the country on condition that they are followed up by the local health department. Those with possible non-infectious tuberculosis are also referred to local health departments; over 90% are evaluated.3Perish the thought! :eek: The government, through routine health inspections found a potential avenue for disease carrying into the US and actually treated the poor victims before allowing them into teh US anyway! Can't imagine that we could do something similar with parasitic infections.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1127489

You racist, scumbag, piece of crap! How dare you not be in favor of allowing people unmitigated access to the US from where ever they want to come and how dare you point out the obvious problems with a policy that allows unfettered, uncontrolled immigration!

??

Or, here's an idea - deport people with diseases or parasites. Probably a good idea to include citizens or animals infected with worms as well, actually.

Wrong!


I understand your apprehension, though, because if they are found to have a disease like tuberculosis the US Gov usually does something extremely Nazi like:
Perish the thought! :eek: The government, through routine health inspections found a potential avenue for disease carrying into the US and actually treated the poor victims before allowing them into teh US anyway! Can't imagine that we could do something similar with parasitic infections.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1127489

You are correct that legal immigrants and refugees could be quarantined if they are found to be carrying the parasite, but to really stop the diease at the border, all tourists and other travellers who were infected would also need to be quarantined, regardless of their citzenship.

??

Point taken. Maybe he is a an anti-immigrant fanatic. There is, however, a tendency on this board to classify anyone who thinks we need to get real control of our borders as racist xenophobes.

You are correct that legal immigrants and refugees could be quarantined if they are found to be carrying the parasite, but to really stop the diease at the border, all tourists and other travellers who were infected would also need to be quarantined, regardless of their citzenship.

Who's talking about quarentines? We already check for food coming in, people who want tio immigrate lawfully are screened for health, citizens of the US have to get vaccinations when travelling to areas of the world known for certain diseases. We look for TB now because we saw a lot of it coming in so we treat potetial immigrants for it if they have it. Can't do that for the 2 or 3 million who sneak through the desert, though. In this particular instance the problem is that people are getting it through poor food handling and such. It's not airborne so ther's no reason for a quarentine. Hell, let 'em in legally and require that they get treatment and follow up as a condition of their being allowed to stay.

BTW - In case you were actually interested:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/faq/faq.htm

DGMQ Home > Immigrant, Refugee and Migrant Health >
Frequently Asked Questions: Domestic Refugee Health Program FAQs
On this page:
General Questions
Medical Screening: Overseas Exam (General)
Medical Screening: Technical Instructions
Medical Screening: Tuberculosis Testing
Medical Screening: STDs
Medical Screening - Vaccinations
Medical Screening: Domestic
Notifications
EDN
Pandemic Influenza
Immigration
Immigration: HIV

Too long to post the whole page. You can read it.

Who's talking about quarantines? We already check for food coming in, people who want to immigrate lawfully are screened for health, citizens of the US have to get vaccinations when travelling to areas of the world known for certain diseases. We look for TB now because we saw a lot of it coming in so we treat potetial immigrants for it if they have it. Can't do that for the 2 or 3 million who sneak through the desert, though. In this particular instance the problem is that people are getting it through poor food handling and such. It's not airborne so ther's no reason for a quarentine. Hell, let 'em in legally and require that they get treatment and follow up as a condition of their being allowed to stay.

Well, you were talking about quarantines in your post concerning TB. And the OP also discussed quarantines.

And you are correct that the problem is due to cleanliness in food preparation. But it is not limited to that. The OP made a link between illegal immigration and the increased prevalence of the diease in stares bordering Mexico. Consequently, reducing or stopping the flow of illegal immigration should reduce the prevalence of this disease, right?

I agree with that because it is logical, and I suspect you do too.

But again, this is not the entire story. The parasite is also brought into the country by tourists and other visitors to areas where it is endemic. So, if you want to stop the disease at the border, you have to test and treat these people too.

You would also have to do this to all livestock coming into the country from these areas, and any fertiliser too.

What would be the cost of such an operation? I have no idea. But considering the number of people who are going to the emergency room for this, I doubt it would be cost-effective.
Norma Arceo, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Health Services, said 65 cases of neurocysticercosis were reported in that state in 2004, compared with 44 cases in 2005 and 45 cases in the first 10 months of 2006.

Hardly an epidemic.

Well, you were talking about quarantines in your post concerning TB. And the OP also discussed quarantines.

And you are correct that the problem is due to cleanliness in food preparation. But it is not limited to that. The OP made a link between illegal immigration and the increased prevalence of the diease in stares bordering Mexico. Consequently, reducing or stopping the flow of illegal immigration should reduce the prevalence of this disease, right?

I agree with that because it is logical, and I suspect you do too.

But again, this is not the entire story. The parasite is also brought into the country by tourists and other visitors to areas where it is endemic. So, if you want to stop the disease at the border, you have to test and treat these people too.But most American citizens have decent health care and will seek medical attention if they get sick so we don't need to screen because they are generally self screening. This is especially true fi they are travelling because people who travel tend to have more money, people from San Diego who hop the border for a prostitute notwithstanding. If the CDC see a much higher prevalence for a disease in the immigrant population then it follows that the immigrant population is a primarty source for the disease and should be the focus of any prevention program.

In anycase, this is a moot point because what we are talking about is illegal immigration here. We have no way of checking these people for any diseases or parasites whatsoever so the way that we find out that they are a vector for diseases is that we do the backwards checking after it has already made it's way here. This isn't the way to go about doing things. We may not be able to completely stop illegal immigartion, but given an effort we can probably make huge inroads into slowing it down and illegal immigration as an avenue for contagious infection is just another in a long list of reasons to make that effort.

You would also have to do this to all livestock coming into the country from these areas, and any fertiliser too.We don't allow much livestock into the country - in fact it's hard to move much of it state to state. Any that we do allow in is rigorously tested for everything under the sun. Not sure about fertalizer but I would imagine it is the same story there.

What would be the cost of such an operation? I have no idea. But considering the number of people who are going to the emergency room for this, I doubt it would be cost-effective.


Hardly an epidemic.
If you're talking about the legal immigrant community it probably wouldn't cost much at all when you just add it to teh health screening we already do.

Are legal immigrants checked for parasites? No. So legal/illegal distinction makes no damn difference in this case.

Wrong!


I understand your apprehension, though, because if they are found to have a disease like tuberculosis the US Gov usually does something extremely Nazi like:
Perish the thought! :eek: The government, through routine health inspections found a potential avenue for disease carrying into the US and actually treated the poor victims before allowing them into teh US anyway! Can't imagine that we could do something similar with parasitic infections.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1127489

Wow! You've totally missed the mark! Do you want a cookie for confusing the word TUBERCULOSIS with PARASITE? I doubt the US medical for immigrants is much different than what we have here..it includes a full physical, and a chest X-ray, neither of which is likely to detect the presence of a parasite. But you go right ahead and lobby for this to happen. I'd actually support you in it.

Wow! You've totally missed the mark! Do you want a cookie for confusing the word TUBERCULOSIS with PARASITE? I doubt the US medical for immigrants is much different than what we have here..it includes a full physical, and a chest X-ray, neither of which is likely to detect the presence of a parasite. But you go right ahead and lobby for this to happen. I'd actually support you in it.

The government, through routine health inspections found a potential avenue for disease carrying into the US and actually treated the poor victims before allowing them into teh US anyway! Can't imagine that we could do something similar with parasitic infections.

:confused:

They do the same thing with many diseases. TB, HIV, STDs... adding a parasitic infection seems reasonable.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/refugee/faq/faq.htm

Quote:
DGMQ Home > Immigrant, Refugee and Migrant Health >
Frequently Asked Questions: Domestic Refugee Health Program FAQs
On this page:
General Questions
Medical Screening: Overseas Exam (General)
Medical Screening: Technical Instructions
Medical Screening: Tuberculosis Testing
Medical Screening: STDs
Medical Screening - Vaccinations
Medical Screening: Domestic
Notifications
EDN
Pandemic Influenza
Immigration
Immigration: HIV

I thought my point was pretty clear as did at least one other poster as you can see from a glance at the rest of this page. Of course, they can't do that with illegal immigrants at all, which is the whole point.

I think the point was, you said "wrong" to Neesika's question and then backed yourself up by referring to TB and other diseases, but made no mention of parasites. So, right now, legal immigrants are not screened for parasites. Therefore "wrong" does not fit.

I think the point was, you said "wrong" to Neesika's question and then backed yourself up by referring to TB and other diseases, but made no mention of parasites. So, right now, legal immigrants are not screened for parasites. Therefore "wrong" does not fit.

Symantecs and off point. The point is that saying that we don't or haven't screened legal immigrants doesn't back up an argument that illegal immigration isn't an important vector for disease entering the US. We currently screen for all of these diseases:

Related Diseases
Communicable Diseases of Public Health Significance
These currently include:

Tuberculosis
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) Infection
Syphilis
Chancroid
Gonorrhea
Granuloma Inguinale
Lymphogranuloma Venereum
Hansen's Disease (Leprosy)
Vaccine Preventable Diseases
These currently include:

Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and diphtheria toxoids
Pertussis
Influenza type B
Hepatitis B

Adding this particular parasite to the list seems a routine matter should it become endemic. Adding to the list, however, will do nothing to stop it's spread and importation through the illegal immigrant community because they are not screened. I read recently that whooping cough (Pertussis), something that had virtually been wipped out in the US, was finding it's way into emergency rooms in the US again in the illegal immigrant community. This is an example of a disease that we do screen for so it's reintroduction to teh US very likely could have been prevented or reduced with simple border control. And the there's this:

Cost is just one part of the health care issue—actual disease is the other. Sullivan and Merrill didn't address the topic, but Gallegly did in his article using the example of tuberculosis, which virtually was wiped out among Americans by 1983.

However, with the number of illegal immigrants, the disease is on the rise again. Gallegly cited a case where one illegal immigrant from Mexico was linked to the tuberculosis infection in 56 other people before he was forced into treatment.

Even more, about 53 percent of the people in the U.S. who are diagnosed with tuberculosis are born outside of the country, he said.

"In the Los Angeles area, 80 percent of the people infected with TB are foreign-born with Mexico leading the way, followed by the Philippines, Vietnam, India and China," Gallegly said.

Under current immigration regulations, those immigrants who come to the U.S. legally (through the visa process) are required to be examined by medical professionals as well as be vaccinated, according to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Web site, www.uscis.gov. Those required to have physicals include applying for immigrant visas, temporary visas (nonimmigrant), refugees and asylees.

The examinations include a physical and mental exam, a tuberculin skin test (skin test for tuberculosis), a blood test for HIV and syphilis. Vaccinations needed include Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Polio, Tetanus, Diphtheria Toxids, Pertussis, Influenza type B and Hepatitis type B, according to the site.
http://www.urbantulsa.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=14834

They do the same thing with many diseases. TB, HIV, STDs... adding a parasitic infection seems reasonable.

The difference is that TB, HIV, and STD's are viruses (or bacteria). You can run a simple blood test and detect either the virus itself or the antibodies. You could even just detect elevated levels of white blood cells. Parasites are nowhere near as easy to locate...you must find the actual parasite...their symptoms tend to be benign and common (headaches, stomach aches, that kinda thing) You could run 100 stool samples for a tapeworm, and never find it just because a piece never broke off.

All immigrants, regardless of race, color, religion, country of origin, social status, etc. should be checked for diseases before being permitted entry into the country. A thorough background check is also a must.

The difference is that TB, HIV, and STD's are viruses. You can run a simple blood test and detect either the virus itself or the antibodies. You could even just detect elevated levels of white blood cells. Parasites are nowhere near as easy to locate...you must find the actual parasite...their symptoms tend to be benign and common (headaches, stomach aches, that kinda thing) You could run 100 stool samples for a tapeworm, and never find it just because a piece never broke off.

Tuberculosis is caused by bacteria, actually (Mycobacterium tuberculosis).

Tuberculosis is caused by bacteria, actually (Mycobacterium tuberculosis).

yeah, I edited that in a sec ago because I realized my mistake (also, some STD's are too...and crabs is neither viral nor bacterial...but mreh)

Hmm...

I think of it like porn, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."
I like porn.:)

I for one welcome more tapeworms. Maybe they'll help us all slim down a bit.
To get a personal trainer at a gym to do the same would cost upwards of $29.95 a month! Think of the pork rinds you could buy with the money saved!

For everyone that missed it:
You know...when immigrants FIRST came to North America, bringing disease that wiped out about 90% of the aboriginal population?

It's not funny when you have to explain it :(

Actually...yeah it is.
The death of your people is laugh of loud funny.