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http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,2016971,00.html

It appears Rowan Williams, who has formerly come out in support of the ordination of women and against the Anglican Church's view on homosexuality. Before he he was elected as Archbishop of Cantebury he was, in 1997, proposed as Bishop of Southwark. He was asked to distance himself from his previous statements concerning homosexuality - he declined - and was not appointed to the position (it seems he had a backbone).

Since becoming Archbishop he longer appears as enthused about female bishops, and is actively trying to prevent the US Episcopal church from santifing gay marrages at the behest of the Primate of Nigeria.

So the british state is no longer liberal, the Church of England is no longer liberal, the BNP is garnering support... and a multitude of other things... I'll think I'll move back to London to try and whip up some support for a war of independence from the rest of the UK.

'Tis a great shame. But elsewhere, I am heartened by the new ruling in New Jersey.

So the british state is no longer liberal, the Church of England is no longer liberal, the BNP is garnering support... and a multitude of other things... I'll think I'll move back to London to try and whip up some support for a war of independence from the rest of the UK.
The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

The UK is longer liberal compared to when? You mean compared to before homosexuals had the right to 'Civil Unions' (why don't they just call it marriage...)? Compared to when the police could stop and search someone for being Black?

The Church? When was that liberal?

And if you believe the newspapers the BNP has been garnering support for the last 15 years at an alarming rate - if their reports on the increase in support were accurate then they would hold every seat in the Commons by now. And yet they are still a bunch of fringe crackpots

'Tis a great shame. But elsewhere, I am heartened by the new ruling in New Jersey.

I'm love my state so much. I'm so proud for once :D

The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

The UK is longer liberal compared to when? You mean compared to before homosexuals had the right to 'Civil Unions' (why don't they just call it marriage...)? Compared to when the police could stop and search someone for being Black?

The Church? When was that liberal?

And if you believe the newspapers the BNP has been garnering support for the last 15 years at an alarming rate - if their reports on the increase in support were accurate then they would hold every seat in the Commons by now. And yet they are still a bunch of fringe crackpotsCompared to when the police weren't allowed to arrest someone and hold them without charge for four weeks (and it was nearly 3 months).

From the recent by election in Bedworth, Bede ward, Warwickshire.Labour held on to its seat in Bede ward on Thursday of last week, polling 658 votes, but the BNP’s Alwyn Deacon, a pub landlord from Nuneaton, took 546 votes. The Tory vote fell to 301, less than two fifths of its previous vote in the ward.

And the CoE is liberal in that its head does not tell people that there a tiny little holes in condoms that allow sperm and the HIV virus to pass through.

Compared to when the police weren't allowed to arrest someone and hold them without charge for four weeks (and it was nearly 3 months).
While I hate that one as much as you do I do not think it quite means the end of society as we know it or that the UK is not longer liberal - particulary in the social context you are refering to in the Church position.


From the recent by election in Bedworth, Bede ward, Warwickshire.

So the BNP lost. Again. In a single ward in the whole country. Yup - gaining ground.

Even when they have won these council seats, which they were also doing 10 or more years ago so this is nothing very new, they tend to lose them the next time around. Their total number of seats on councils remains fairly constant at very very very few


And the CoE is liberal in that its head does not tell people that there a tiny little holes in condoms that allow sperm and the HIV virus to pass through.
Well they still don't tell people this. Their position has not changed - on this or many other matters. Or perhaps you were refering to that liberal period a few years ago when women were not allowed to be priests?

Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria The leader of probably the largest Anglican national church has made opposition to gays a crusade and led developing world primates on the issue.

Oh well. He might be a bigot but at least he recognises evolution.

I can already smell the flaming... but anyone who proposes to be a bible-following Christian should recognise that homosexuality is expressly taught as a bad thing in the bible.

Avoiding any value judgements of the book or homosexuality, one that professes to value the former cannot in all honesty seriously entertain the idea that the latter is acceptable.

The liberalisation of churches generally is a reactionary attempt to make churches conform more to mainstream society, which is not in itself in keeping with that which theoretically forms the foundation of Christian theological doctrine.

but anyone who proposes to be a bible-following Christian should recognise that homosexuality is expressly taught as a bad thing in the bible.

But God made man in his image. God expects man to love God, ergo God expects man to love man.


...sorry...

Isn't eating shellfish banned in the same section as homosexuality?

Correct me if I am wrong here - going from memory.

And shaving!

I can already smell the flaming... but anyone who proposes to be a bible-following Christian should recognise that homosexuality is expressly taught as a bad thing in the bible.


Isn't eating shellfish banned in the same section as homosexuality?

Correct me if I am wrong here - going from memory.

Eltaphilon: But God made man in his image. God expects man to love God, ergo God expects man to love man.

That's an argument put forward that doesn't acknowledge the original context. In the original Hebrew texts (and in the Greek, for those New Testament theologians), there were four different types of love, which are, in English, erotic love (eros), divine love (charity), brotherly love (philadelphia) and maternal love (the name of which escapes me).

Erotic love was not the one intended...

Oh right. The "sarcasm doesn't show up well on the internet" thing.
For the record that post wasn't serious.

Eltaphilon: But God made man in his image. God expects man to love God, ergo God expects man to love man.

That's an argument put forward that doesn't acknowledge the original context. In the original Hebrew texts (and in the Greek, for those New Testament theologians), there were four different types of love, which are, in English, erotic love (eros), spiritual love (agape), friend-love (philos) and familial love (storge).

Erotic love was not the one intended...

Oh right. The "sarcasm doesn't show up well on the internet" thing.
For the record that post wasn't serious.


Ah. Right... There you go anyway...

Ah. Right... There you go anyway...

Sure showed me.

It now appears that Nigerians (Akinola etc.) are the only true believers in the Church of England. Williams just seems very… fuzzy. No joke intended.

actualy i prefer tails to heads, with nice thick floofy fur on them.

heads of things are slightly disgusting and more then a little frightning.
unless their natural pretty heads of four or six footed little furry creatures.

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