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If my candidate is elected President of the US in 2008, she would be the first female president of the United States. She has met all of the recent US presidents and had informed discussions on American politics and policy with all of them. This woman has had more contact with international leaders than most US presidents. The election of this woman will greatly improve US standing in large parts of the world. My candidate has great experience in dealing with politicians and has spent most of her life involved in affairs of state. She has served in the military during war time. This woman is a protestant, though is not evangelical association. This lady has widely consulted on economic and foreign policy with Baroness Thatcher herself, who I understand Americans respect greatly. She carries an air of class and elegance wherever she goes and she does travel widely. My candidate is renowned for her work ethic and wide experience. Although aging, she shows no sign of tiring. My candidate saw the disaster of Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement policy unfold and has since watched the mistakes of history unfold, learning history’s harsh lessons. If fact this woman has been involved in the government of every British Prime Minister since Winston Churchill.

I hereby nominate Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom.jpg) for President of the United States of America.

you know that US presidents have to be born in America right?

Sorry, only U.S. citizens, born in the U.S.

That is the one small flaw in my plan.

That is the one small flaw in my plan.

Small?

I think that was a semi-joke. But honestly, I doubt that that law will stick eventually, because if Senator Arnold gets his way, it will be modified so that way non-American born citizens can run.

Aw, would have been so nice :(

Tiny.

The consitution has been sidestepped in the past; I'm sure an exception can be made for a nice old lady who oozes charm.

she is also just a wee bit OLD for the job.

she is also just a wee bit OLD for the job.

Experienced; she is experienced, not old. She is quite the spring chicken for a 79 year experienced person.

I think that was a semi-joke. But honestly, I doubt that that law will stick eventually, because if Senator Arnold gets his way, it will be modified so that way non-American born citizens can run.

Um... You mean Governor Arnold, right? Both of Cali's Senators are Democrats.

Edit: And screw establishment politicians! She's been in the halls of power too long! It's time for a fresh face!

I'm all for a foreign-born woman president, but couldn't we vote in someone who's at least a citizen, like Madeleine Albright or Nancy Pelosi?

she is also just a wee bit OLD for the job.
Not old. Experienced.

Meh. Beaten to it. Though she's 80, not 79.

HORRIBLE NOMINATION SNIP

I have a better nomination. A man who can clearly tell up from down, good from bad, a quail from a man, and knows the difference between talking out your ass and actually thinking.

Lewis Black, Reformist for President.

she is also just a wee bit OLD for the job.

*cough*Giuliani*cough

I have a better nomination. A man who can clearly tell up from down, good from bad, a quail from a man, and knows the difference between talking out your ass and actually thinking.

Lewis Black, Reformist for President.

You obviously know nothing about HM the Queen.

A comedian for president? A comedian with a degree in fine arts? A "socialist" (a socialist with a degree in fine arts :rolleyes: ) who has a problem with authority for president?

And you think Elizabeth Windsor is a crackpot nomination...

You obviously know nothing about HM the Queen.


What's to know? A useless, obnoxious aristrocrat who's had the whole world offered up to them on a plate. We get enough of those on this side of the pond without nobility and all that shit.

What's to know? A useless, obnoxious aristrocrat who's had the whole world offered up to them on a plate. We get enough of those on this side of the pond without nobility and all that shit.

Strikes me as a description of most of your presidential candidates and most of those would have more money than the Queen. The US has an unofficial aristocracy/nobility, even if it doesn't have an official one.

The Queen has had a lot served up on the plate; but she has used her privileges to do the best she can for Great Britain and the preservation of the monarchy. She has worked intensely since becoming Queen, but even before hand. It was under her and a lesser extent her father that the monarchy recovered from the disastrous acts of the current Elizabeth’s uncle. Its not just what you start with, its what you make of it, and few figureheads or rulers are looked kindly upon as Queen Elizabeth II.

Strikes me as a description of most of your presidential candidates and most of those would have more money than the Queen. The US has an unofficial aristocracy/nobility, even if it doesn't have an official one.

Oh definitely, wealthy families are identical to a useless nobility.


The Queen has had a lot served up on the plate; but she has used her privileges to do the best she can for Great Britain and the preservation of the monarchy. She has worked intensely since becoming Queen, but even before hand. It was under her and a lesser extent her father that the monarchy recovered from the disastrous acts of the current Elizabeth’s uncle. Its not just what you start with, its what you make of it, and few figureheads or rulers are looked kindly upon as Queen Elizabeth II.

:rolleyes:

Right. Sounds about as fucking stupid as Hollywood bullshit. When she gets a degree in political science and has actual experience as a legislator or commander in cheif and demonstrates herself to be something other than a figurehead, maybe I'll give a damn.

That is the one small flaw in my plan.

Paperwork can be fixed - just make sure CBS doesn't make the mistake of reprinting with some MS document program when they opt to out the goods on you.
:)

Lewis Black, Reformist for President.

Seconded!

He's been to The End of The Universe.
And yes, it's right in Houston, Texas, United States of America, Terra.
Perhaps that's where he'll begin his illustrious campaign from.

Seconded!

He's been to The End of The Universe.
And yes, it's right in Houston, Texas, United States of America, Terra.
Perhaps that's where he'll begin his illustrious campaign from.

And debates will be great. He'll win them all by turning them into comedy acts. :D

Not to mention he's got more wit than the whole of Congress.

Madeleine Albright

YES! Absolutely! I'd love to see a President Albright.

Oh definitely, wealthy families are identical to a useless nobility.

I didn't mean anyone with wealth was a useless noble; but there are plenty of pure silver spoons in US politics.

Right. Sounds about as fucking stupid as Hollywood bullshit. When she gets a degree in political science and has actual experience as a legislator or commander in cheif and demonstrates herself to be something other than a figurehead, maybe I'll give a damn.

Most US candidates don't have degrees in political sciene or have served Commander in Chief. Most have some experience as legislators, but executive power is a big step. Her lack of tertiary education due to the war and early succession would be her be a problem if she were to run for President. The Queen does however have far wider and far longer experience than any other candidate. Politics and statespersonship have been her entire life, few can trump that.


The original post wasn't serious; but if people take it seriously, I'm prepared to respond seriously.

How about just nominating an average, sane person?

I'll never understand the disdain so many people have for themselves & their peers. I'm sure it helps, but you don't actually need education to be an efficient politician. All you need is ideas & aides that don't lie to you. Hell, I'm almost inclined to eat my words about education helping. It's impossible to have a thorough understanding of all the shit involved in running a country. Perhaps it's wiser to elect leaders who don't think they have that kind of understanding.

Most US candidates don't have degrees in political sciene or have served Commander in Chief. Most have some experience as legislators, but executive power is a big step. Her lack of tertiary education due to the war and early succession would be her be a problem if she were to run for President. The Queen does however have far wider and far longer experience than any other candidate. Politics and statespersonship have been her entire life, few can trump that.

Um.... Yeah... Yeah, they do. Most of them have a Poli-Sci Bachelors and a Law Degree, actually. What politics does she actually do? I mean.. Other than sit there and look important? She doesn't even have any power.

Most? Some, but I don't think most. I would accept the claim most have law degrees. It doesn’t strike me as the most important fact either way. Politics courses don’t actually tend to cover policy that much.

She doesn't have any official power or any official constraints on her power. She is a constitutional paradox, much like the GG of the Commonwealth nations, though more so.

She has a role in foreign policy, as far as the government of the day approves. She definitely doesn't "sit", she tends to stand. Yes, she mainly plays a figurehead role, but she doesn't have to, she feels it is politically safer to do that, to be "above" politics. She whispers in ears and Prime Ministers frequently consult with her, partly to be polite to the old dear, partly because she is a way to prevent the mistakes of history; she has known the British people far longer than any of the recent PM's. She tries to stabilise politics and stops new PMs radically changing the policies of their predecessors (this caused apparent tensions with Thatcher, who thought the Queen was a latte liberal).

You do not need power to be powerful, after all Congress retains the power to declare war and initiate legislation.

I'd vote for Conan O' Brien.

Too bad he's not running.

she is also just a wee bit OLD for the job.
John McCain will be 72 by 2008... :/

Question:

If you were the Queen (imagination please); what party would you run for and with which American politician as your running mate?

I think that was a semi-joke. But honestly, I doubt that that law will stick eventually, because if Senator Arnold gets his way, it will be modified so that way non-American born citizens can run.

3/4 of the states would have to approve it and I don't think they're going too.

This lady has widely consulted on economic and foreign policy with Baroness Thatcher herself, who I understand Americans respect greatly.

I stopped reading at that point.

Her Majesty shouldn't worry about those lowly colonists in America.


Btw, here is my nominee. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Santos)

Tiny.

The consitution has been sidestepped in the past; I'm sure an exception can be made for a nice old lady who oozes charm.

Do you want to force Her British Majesty out of Buckingham palace?
A better option: Her Majesty becomes Head of State of the United Colonies of America, and appoints a Minister for the Colonies. In the person of Mr.Tony Blair, maybe, he's already so pro-American...;) ;)

Do you want to force Her British Majesty out of Buckingham palace?
A better option: Her Majesty becomes Head of State of the United Colonies of America, and appoints a Minister for the Colonies. In the person of Mr.Tony Blair, maybe, he's already so pro-American...;) ;)

I like your thinking. :)


In a more serious arguement, if the HM was to become President, she would make the office less active, modeling the Presidency more on her role as monarch and give Congress control of the agenda as originally intended by the founding fathers (then again who cares what a bunch of dead people want).

Experienced; she is experienced, not old. She is quite the spring chicken for a 79 year experienced person.

If her mums anything to go by then she's got at least 20 years left in her.

my own nominee would be maxine waters.

but if the powers that be throw us obama on the pretence of letting us immagine we have some sort of democratic say in such things, that will be good enough for me.

president obama and vp kussenich.
i think kussenich being vp would keep obama from being assassinated the way the republicans have always picked running mates for "assination insurance".

i also like many of kussenich's ideas, but don't see him as having the polical moxy to stand on his own as mr number one. where as i see obama, right now, as being where the young jfk was at the same stage in the proccess we're in now.

yup i think the brit royals are pretty cool and all, more so then ahhnee, although even ahhnee has some bit more sense then the shrubery dynasty. i wouldn't mind having the bonny prince (phillip is it?) in there somewhere with HIS ecological and social conscousness either.

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I think we all know who should be president.
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yup i think the brit royals are pretty cool and all, more so then ahhnee, although even ahhnee has some bit more sense then the shrubery dynasty. i wouldn't mind having the bonny prince (phillip is it?) in there somewhere with HIS ecological and social conscousness either.

Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, first in line for succession and Prince Phillip (Duke of Edinburgh) is the queen's husband have in the past made very green statements. At the time they were widely mocked, especially Charles, these days what they claimed is generally taken as common fact.

Prince Phillip would make a horrific politician for statements that are blunt, insensitive, occasionally insightful and often amusing (for more see Wikipedia/Wikiquote):
-Speaking to a driving instructor in Scotland, he asked: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?"
-"I am actually a large piece of cheese."
-To a Cambridge University car park attendant who failed to recognise him: "Bloody silly fool."
-To an Australian Aboriginal: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"
-When asked about the key problem facing Brazil: "Brazilians live there."
-To HM the Queen: "Shut up woman, otherwise I'll turn you out of the car!"
-On the USSR: "The bastards murdered half my family."
-To the President of Nigeria is traditional garb: "You look like you're ready for bed."

Prince Phillip would make a horrific politician for statements that are blunt, insensitive, occasionally insightful and often amusing (for more see Wikipedia/Wikiquote):
-Speaking to a driving instructor in Scotland, he asked: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?"
-"I am actually a large piece of cheese."
-To a Cambridge University car park attendant who failed to recognise him: "Bloody silly fool."
-To an Australian Aboriginal: "Do you still throw spears at each other?"
-When asked about the key problem facing Brazil: "Brazilians live there."
-To HM the Queen: "Shut up woman, otherwise I'll turn you out of the car!"
-On the USSR: "The bastards murdered half my family."
-To the President of Nigeria is traditional garb: "You look like you're ready for bed."

He's just a good ole plain speaking country boy.

If my candidate is elected President of the US in 2008, she would be the first female president of the United States. She has met all of the recent US presidents and had informed discussions on American politics and policy with all of them. This woman has had more contact with international leaders than most US presidents. The election of this woman will greatly improve US standing in large parts of the world. My candidate has great experience in dealing with politicians and has spent most of her life involved in affairs of state. She has served in the military during war time. This woman is a protestant, though is not evangelical association. This lady has widely consulted on economic and foreign policy with Baroness Thatcher herself, who I understand Americans respect greatly. She carries an air of class and elegance wherever she goes and she does travel widely. My candidate is renowned for her work ethic and wide experience. Although aging, she shows no sign of tiring. My candidate saw the disaster of Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement policy unfold and has since watched the mistakes of history unfold, learning history’s harsh lessons. If fact this woman has been involved in the government of every British Prime Minister since Winston Churchill.

I hereby nominate Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Queen_Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom.jpg) for President of the United States of America.


besides the legal impediments already noted, she wouldn't be voted in to any office in britain, let alone in a foreign country.

I think we all know who should be president.
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Another Christian fundie? Ugh, no thanks.
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*cough*Giuliani*cough

Are you serious?

He's like 62 or 63. G.W. is two years younger than him. That's average age for President's these days.

And this rule of the constitution has been sidestepped before, technically. None of the first Presidents could have been born in the United States, since they helped found it when they were older in life. The U.S. wasn't around when George Washington was born. Just something to note. If they did it for the founding fathers, then they just might do it for someone else. (Arnold in 8 years.)