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the jets and tanks, the other army wouldn't know what hit it and would probably flee after the first few bombs/rockets.

Who would win in a battle. Two modern tanks and a few jets, or the entire Union Army from the civil war.

Get it out your system.

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for fuck's sake, not another one of these threads!? i can see these going the way of the "ask a..." threads.

the jets and tanks, the other army wouldn't know what hit it and would probably flee after the first few bombs/rockets.

If they didn't flee, then the tanks would be doomed to fail,they would helpless when they ran out of ammo (wait, they can just run over the union troops!)

Ruffy would win.

of course!

Ruffy would win.

Who would win in a battle. Two modern tanks and a few jets, or the entire Union Army from the civil war.

After the initial shock from being attacked by armor and air power the Union army would find the airstrip where the jets were flying from, kill or capture the pilots and ground crew, and overwhelm the tanks with sheer numbers. Then a herd of winged unicorns that piss bourbon would descend from Jupiter and get everyone drunk.

After the initial shock from being attacked by armor and air power the Union army would find the airstrip where the jets were flying from, kill or capture the pilots and ground crew, and overwhelm the tanks with sheer numbers. Then a herd of winged unicorns that piss bourbon would descend from Jupiter and get everyone drunk.

:p

The tanks. Obviously.

Shit-scared Americans with muskets vs. 200 or so millimetres of steel, with machine guns all over the place and a cannon to boot.

Hmm... I wonder...

After the initial shock from being attacked by armor and air power the Union army would find the airstrip where the jets were flying from, kill or capture the pilots and ground crew, and overwhelm the tanks with sheer numbers. Then a herd of winged unicorns that piss bourbon would descend from Jupiter and get everyone drunk.

That genuinly made me laugh out loud.

I table the motion that all "who would win..." style threads recive the "not this shit again..." picture as a mark of... well, you know.

Depends. If the tank only has one energy point left and is attacking a mountain, especially one with a Fortress, then even a spearman unit could take them out.

A cookie for whoever guesses which game I've been playing. :D

Depends. If the tank only has one energy point left and is attacking a mountain, especially one with a Fortress, then even a spearman unit could take them out.

A cookie for whoever guesses which game I've been playing. :D

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Tanks and aircraft are gonna run out of fuel sometime. Therefore, they lose.

Tanks and planes obviously.

Tanks arent nearly as protective as they look. Most older tanks can easily be destroyed by a molotov cocktail and jets, well they'll run out of fuel pretty soon. Manpower would simply overwhelm the tanks, and the only chance of victory for the modern army would be fear, causing the union army to rout.

the jets and tanks, the other army wouldn't know what hit it and would probably flee after the first few bombs/rockets.
One tank would beat the army. The shock and awe factor. Now if it was confederate troops, one rebel whould whup 10000000000000 clustertaktikalnukes

Get it out your system.

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You ar evil. I just spent the past 5-10 minutes doing that...and still am. :upyours:

The entire Union Army at it's peak vs a pair of F-16s and an M1 Abrahms.

I'd say the Union Army. Gotta be at least a million there, and will enough musketfire, they could probably bring down the jets. Enough hits from their cannon thingies could at least imobilize the M1.

Probably neither would win.

The Union Army.

Hundreds of thousands of men with rifles have to be able to destroy two tanks eventually, especially with artillery support, and the jets would need to refuel sometime.

Who would win in a battle. Two modern tanks and a few jets, or the entire Union Army from the civil war.
If the Union army fought anything like they did at Bull Run/Mannassas(SP) the modern tech would win easily.
The only way the Jets could be stopped is to take out the airfields.
The tanks would need to be hit by one of those massive Naval Cannons and they couldn't be moved and the chance of that is low.

The Confederacy.

Huh?

Why are so many people voting for the tanks?

Planes have to start and land somewhere. It doesn't say whether they have a ground crew and fuel and extra ammo. And without a whole big intelligence unit behind, how would they know where to attack and what?

Tanks...well, they're neat against other tanks, but in a big field battle like this, they'd be overwhelmed. First artillery fire would destroy the tracks, making it immobile. Then the infantry could come in from all sides. If the tank crew is stupid enough not to surrender at that point, the Union soldiers could just stack piles of dynamite underneith and on top and blow it up.

The Confederacy.
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Why are so many people voting for the tanks?

Planes have to start and land somewhere. It doesn't say whether they have a ground crew and fuel and extra ammo. And without a whole big intelligence unit behind, how would they know where to attack and what?

Tanks...well, they're neat against other tanks, but in a big field battle like this, they'd be overwhelmed. First artillery fire would destroy the tracks, making it immobile. Then the infantry could come in from all sides. If the tank crew is stupid enough not to surrender at that point, the Union soldiers could just stack piles of dynamite underneith and on top and blow it up.

Thanks for elaborating on whay i said a bit/a lot, but the Union Army would not have the moral to face such a beastly force in the form of tanks, thered be like WTFUXZOR!!!
Plus Artillary was hardly accurate back then the Tanks would be able to pick them off at a greater range, only with refuelling and rearming would they be vulnerable.
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Maybe With Jeb Stuart and Stonewall Jackson the COnfederacy could do it, maybe.

A big enough powder charge can take out anything.

The Feds could definitely do it.

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What?

What?
He said Confederacy, breaking the chain of Union and modern army.

Lurk moar 4chan

B .. man power and heart. (I'm taking into account the rebs and yanks)

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The Zerg.

The Zerg.

Who wins: thousands of Zerglings or a few Carriers?

Who wins: thousands of Zerglings or a few Carriers?

Carriers. Zerglings don't have an air attack. ;)

Now, thousands of hydralisks and a few carriers...well, those carriers can kiss their asses goodbye. Hell, even a dozen wraiths can annihilate twelve carriers without a detector nearby.

Carriers. Zerglings don't have an air attack. ;)

Neither do Union soldiers.

Neither do Union soldiers.

They have rifles...provided the jets fly no higher than maybe a mile or so above the battlefield.

They have rifles...provided the jets fly no higher than maybe a mile or so above the battlefield.

Much less than a mile, especially shooting upward. And at that distance, I doubt they'd do much damage.

They'd have to destroy the refueling opportunities for the jets, a possibility mimicked by the Zerglings razing the Protoss base.

Thanks for elaborating on whay i said a bit/a lot, but the Union Army would not have the moral to face such a beastly force in the form of tanks, thered be like WTFUXZOR!!!
To start with, yes. But there were a lot of new additions to the arsenal during the Civil War, and despite some very bloody encounters, it seems like both sides managed to motivate their grunts.

So I think a surprise encounter would end with a tank victory. But then the next day or so, the Union Army would come back prepared.

I think a hypothetical scenario is more interesting...

...lets say you're given the entire state of Kansas in March of 1863 as your base. The populace is loyal to you and you can utilize it's resources.

Provided you had modern logistical support at your disposal (or at least enough to make due), just how big of a modern military force would you want (no WMDs!) to defeat both Union and Confederacy???

I've thought long and hard on that one, lemmie tell ya.

meh, depends upon the terrain. If the terrain is open and flat then then Riflemen are going to have a very unpleasant time. If in a city or a forest then the Tanks probably won't know what hit them.

Ya have to remmeber how much fucking artillery the Union had during the Civil war...now I know its nothing compared to todays and one arty around would damage the tank little, but thousands of artillery rounds would eventually blow the tanks to hell.... and as someone else said the Union could overrun the airfield and eventually take care of the jets. Their would be lots of dead Union on the ground but advanced Technology doesnt automaticly win you a war.

One tank would beat the army. The shock and awe factor. Now if it was confederate troops, one rebel whould whup 10000000000000 clustertaktikalnukes

why'd ya'll get ur assed whooped by grant then.

we did it before we'll do it again.

I'd say the Union soldiers - fact of the matter is that their artillery (although it may have been pathetic) would be able to destroy the tank - the cannon balls would eventually continue hitting it to shreds. The jet would have to refuel as said before, and the troops would be able to use the terrain to their advantage.

Bear in mind the 650,000 Polish soldiers that were armed pathetically (they had cavalry fighting against tanks) managed to hold off the modern German army and Russian army for three weeks

They have rifles...provided the jets fly no higher than maybe a mile or so above the battlefield.
By mile you mean like 240 yards?

By mile you mean like 240 yards?
So? A-10 Warthogs regularly fly under 1000ft...

I'd say the Union soldiers - fact of the matter is that their artillery (although it may have been pathetic) would be able to destroy the tank - the cannon balls would eventually continue hitting it to shreds. The jet would have to refuel as said before, and the troops would be able to use the terrain to their advantage.
What the hell are you on about?

The artillery couldn't do a bloody thing against a good tank, for crying out load. If we're talking about American modern kit (which isn't the best, but it's recognisible by most) then an M1A2 Abrams might as well be hit with a spud gun as Union artillery.

It's got armour equivalent to six metres of steel. It can resist 120mm Depleted Uranium shells. It can't be penetrated by other Abrams' to the front, even with APFSDS (basically very heavy solid shot).
Bear in mind the 650,000 Polish soldiers that were armed pathetically (they had cavalry fighting against tanks) managed to hold off the modern German army and Russian army for three weeks
They had rifles, and anti-tank weapons. Their foes had PzIIs. Go figure.

It's got armour equivalent to six metres of steel. It can resist 120mm Depleted Uranium shells. It can't be penetrated by other Abrams' to the front, even with APFSDS (basically very heavy solid shot).
Not on its tracks.

Not on its tracks.
S'true. On the other hand, that won't make the tank blow up. At all.

Maybe it will not make the tank blow up, but it will certainly immobilise it. Once it runs out of ammo, then the tank is screwed, and your Union soldiers will still be able to fight.

By mile you mean like 240 yards?

The best, and I mean best, sniper rifles used during the Civil War could get around 1000-1500 yards.

S'true. On the other hand, that won't make the tank blow up. At all.
A tank that doesn't move is a dead tank.

A tank that doesn't move is a dead tank.

they can sit there firing back all they want, but if you can't get out of there your dead

By mile you mean like 240 yards?

So? A-10 Warthogs regularly fly under 1000ft...
And they just hover so that they can be shot...
The best, and I mean best, sniper rifles used during the Civil War could get around 1000-1500 yards.
But not everyone has a sniper rifle and they ain't gonna hit something moving at more than 150KM(If they were lucky).

Well, in the spirit of things, the planes dont have refueling stations or planes. So they drop their bombs, killing hundreds of soldiers, then kamikaze their planes into the ground and parachute out, killing a few dozen more. They hold off a couple dozen soldiers until they run out of ammo from their survival pack and are eventually shot by a few musket balls. The tanks, in the meantime, would just go around basically killing everything that moved. Though this still wouldnt kill all of the civil war soldiers. So, the tanks would just start rolling over people while a gunner stationed on the 50cal mowed down everyone in the tanks path. Until the tank runs out of gas. Then the remaining soldiers, though few, would eventually get in the tank and that would be the end of that.

yeah.