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...so how many people think that a woman having sex with her 11-year-old son is not as bad as a man having sex with his 11-year-old daughter?

I personally think both are sick, but I wanna see what others think, as women seem to get away with a lot more than men (eg. Johnson's baby lotion advert where a woman kissed a baby's bum - if that was a guy, there would almost certainly be anger)

Sex is family entertainment on another level. :)

Uh.. yeah, neither are good..

Erm... If all parties involved are consenting then it's probably equally weird. The question is whether the former case is more likely to involve mutual consent than the latter, in which case I'd probably hold the Father-Daughter scenario as the lower of the two.

...so how many people think that a woman having sex with her 11-year-old son is not as bad as a man having sex with his 11-year-old daughter?Why would gender make a difference?

Why would gender make a difference?

Presumably because there is an assumption that the older male forces himself on the female, whereas the older female needs consent?

Presumably because there is an assumption that the older male forces himself on the female, whereas the older female needs consent?That pretty.. Absurd.

By the way TBC, off-topic question. Is there some sort of point to your sig?

Both are just flat out wrong and one is not better than the other.

That pretty.. Absurd.

By the way TBC, off-topic question. Is there some sort of point to your sig?

Which one?

As for the absurdity, it's not that far off. Why are the majority of rapists male?

Which one?

As for the absurdity, it's not that far off. Why are the majority of rapists male?I won't pretend to know, but my better half claims it's very probably caused by a combination of patriacal culture & physiological differences in brainwiring. Correction, a friend of hers claims as much. Damn it suddenly sounds real reliable, don't it? :p

EDIT: The Lebensraum comment. I don't get it.

Because men and women are different so we apply different rules to them. When a woman commits a crime a man usually commits, the response is "WTF?".

anyone who doesnt find incest between parent and child revolting has a screw loose.

its just as disgusting if it were mother/daughter or father/son too.

if you want to see if there is a difference by gender you need to suggest that its an 11 year old neighbor.

I won't pretend to know, but my better half claims it's very probably caused by a combination of patriacal culture & physiological differences in brainwiring. Correction, a friend of hers claims as much. Damn it suddenly sounds real reliable, don't it? :p

EDIT: The Lebensraum comment. I don't get it.

The Lebensraum thing? Ever been to santa in the mall and been asked what you want for Christmas?

As regards patriachal society, I imagine that a collective phallocentricity makes society believe the man is abusing his position. Complete bollocks of course, given that neither circumstance is that pleasant.

The Lebensraum thing? Ever been to santa in the mall and been asked what you want for Christmas?I can't say that I have, no. I get the idea now though.

As regards patriachal society, I imagine that a collective phallocentricity makes society believe the man is abusing his position. Complete bollocks of course, given that neither circumstance is that pleasant.It's not so much that society thinks men abuse their position. It's that society propagates the belief that women are subhuman, especially in a sexual context. The male half of the species seems to be plagued by an inability to handle situations where the expected submission falls short.

It actually does hold water when you compare social structures in more & less patriacal societies. You get things like honourkillings, the punishment of rape victims & the general expectation that women & in particular female sexuality, is property & not altogether human. It's probably some of the same mechanisms that form the basis of the imoral seductress & nice guy myths, since those also seem based in the idea that women aren't actually women, but property, and failure to perform as property means the woman's an idiot.

...so how many people think that a woman having sex with her 11-year-old son is not as bad as a man having sex with his 11-year-old daughter?

I personally think both are sick, but I wanna see what others think, as women seem to get away with a lot more than men (eg. Johnson's baby lotion advert where a woman kissed a baby's bum - if that was a guy, there would almost certainly be anger)


i agree.
men are being sexually discriminated for being "horny" and "pervertic".

not all men are horny and pervertic.yes all men want sex,but not all the time.most men are normal and respect women.

I can't say that I have, no. I get the idea now though.

It's not so much that society thinks men abuse their position. It's that society propagates the belief that women are subhuman, especially in a sexual context. The male half of the species seems to be plagued by an inability to handle situations where the expected submission falls short.

It actually does hold water when you compare social structures in more & less patriacal societies. You get things like honourkillings, the punishment of rape victims & the general expectation that women & in particular female sexuality, is property & not altogether human. It's probably some of the same mechanisms that form the basis of the imoral seductress & nice guy myths, since those also seem based in the idea that women aren't actually women, but property, and failure to perform as property means the woman's an idiot.

Quite.:)

...so how many people think that a woman having sex with her 11-year-old son is not as bad as a man having sex with his 11-year-old daughter?
Both are wrong, so very very wrong.

I personally think both are sick, but I wanna see what others think, as women seem to get away with a lot more than men (eg. Johnson's baby lotion advert where a woman kissed a baby's bum - if that was a guy, there would almost certainly be anger)
"Getting away with" something suggests one is doing something wrong, a parent, or a person portraying a parent kissing their baby's butt doesnt seem wrong to me. Have we gone so far in our sexualisation of anything and everything that we no longer can veiw innocent acts and behaviours as innocent?:confused:

Both are wrong, so very very wrong.


"Getting away with" something suggests one is doing something wrong, a parent, or a person portraying a parent kissing their baby's butt doesnt seem wrong to me. Have we gone so far in our sexualisation of anything and everything that we no longer can veiw innocent acts and behaviours as innocent?:confused:

Well you are getting away with kissing a baby's ass , its not like it's done wiht consent so if you put it that way it counts as sexual harrasment of little babies!

Would really consider that going around kissing naked babies behind is "normal" or "innocent"?

As for the absurdity, it's not that far off. Why are the majority of rapists male?
because it's easier for women to report rape than it is for men? (that is to say it's not an easy process at all.)

"Getting away with" something suggests one is doing something wrong, a parent, or a person portraying a parent kissing their baby's butt doesnt seem wrong to me. Have we gone so far in our sexualisation of anything and everything that we no longer can veiw innocent acts and behaviours as innocent?:confused:

yes, we have. I remember when I was nursing my youngest, and I would go into the other room to do it, and someone said "just cover her up with a blanket" and I explained that she ate better "skin to skin" which meant that I needed a really big blanket to cover both of us up....and then we wouldn't be able to breathe.

they looked at me like I was abusing her or something.....like it's abuse to hold your 7 day old baby "tummy to tummy" when she is nursing....I really wonder what that person though about me changing her diaper, I mean if touching tummys was bad, I wonder how horrible it would be for them to watch me wipe her rear end. :eek:

As for the absurdity, it's not that far off. Why are the majority of rapists male?

Well this is a simple matter of mechanics to me, males have to at least physically consent to have penetrative sex (become aroused), whereas women do not.

Why would gender make a difference?
Because we still cling to the old idea that for a woman to have sex makes her impure, but for a man having sex makes him more of a man.
Its the same reason that an overprotective father threatening his daughter's boyfriend with dismemberment is used as a joke, whereas the reverse situation (a mother protecting her son from his girlfriends) is used as a backstory for drug addicts and serial killers.

...so how many people think that a woman having sex with her 11-year-old son is not as bad as a man having sex with his 11-year-old daughter?

I personally think both are sick, but I wanna see what others think, as women seem to get away with a lot more than men (eg. Johnson's baby lotion advert where a woman kissed a baby's bum - if that was a guy, there would almost certainly be anger)

both are a disgusting use of authority in order to get sexual satisfaction and control.

yes, we have. I remember when I was nursing my youngest, and I would go into the other room to do it, and someone said "just cover her up with a blanket" and I explained that she ate better "skin to skin" which meant that I needed a really big blanket to cover both of us up....and then we wouldn't be able to breathe.

they looked at me like I was abusing her or something.....like it's abuse to hold your 7 day old baby "tummy to tummy" when she is nursing....I really wonder what that person though about me changing her diaper, I mean if touching tummys was bad, I wonder how horrible it would be for them to watch me wipe her rear end. :eek:
It's bizaare, it undermines a central function of incest taboo, and frankly it suggests something untoward in the minds of those who jump to such suspicions. Surely the large majority of people do not get any sexual pleasure or excitment out of bodily contact with infants, so why the frig would anyone who wasnt a bit 'iffy' jump to the conclusion that you were you up to no good? In my opinion flesh-flesh body contact is very good for young infants, it builds up the bond between child and parents and through the parents to wider society. After all babies are born naked and for the bulk of our history (the human race) parents were similarily attired (or unattired to be more accurate). :rolleyes:
At least not everyone is giving-in to the madness, good on you for caring more about building intimacy and trust with your children than for the silly ideas and perhaps even nasty suspicions of those around you.:)

As for the absurdity, it's not that far off. Why are the majority of rapists male?

Well this is a simple matter of mechanics to me, males have to at least physically consent to have penetrative sex (become aroused), whereas women do not.

Woah, hold up! Just because a man gets an erection, that does not mean he is sexually aroused: one, men (including a significant amount of older men) can have spontaneous erections and two, a man can get an erection no matter how much he tries not to if his penis is being stimulated - so erection does not in its self imply consent. And just so you know, some women can also be forced to "get wet" when they are trying not to (research it if you don't believe me).