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I just finished reading the first 6 books of the Harry Potter series. It is a very good series and one in which I did not think I was going to like. In this, I was wrong.

With that said, book 7 is coming out on July 23, 2007 and it is probably the most anticipated book of the year. For me to say that is quite extrodenary because there are other books I am looking forward to that are coming out this year as well.

Book 7 is supposedly the last book of the series. Will this be the showdown with Lord Voldemort? Who will win?

My opinion is that Harry Potter takes down Lord Voldemort and hailed as a hero by the entire wizarding community.

Your thoughts?

Harry Potter takes down Lord Voldemort but dies of his wounds could be one ending
all i know some people that been in all the books end up dead by the end of the last book

Ever since book 4, someone has ended up dead. JK Rowling tasted blood.

One detail that has been confirmed from Rowling is that two characters will die. My guess is Harry and Voldemort.

yep. Also, the books arn't that rgeat.

Ever since book 4, someone has ended up dead. JK Rowling tasted blood.



lol :p

I think they are both going to die somehow and Dumbledore will somehow return.

^^^Yep, I go by that idea.

Snape will probably die as well...

Don't take me the wrong way when I say this, because I have been an absurdly large Harry Potter fan since it came out in 1998, but I am really hoping that Harry dies in battle and Neville beats Voldemort. It would be in ordinance with the prophecy, you know! For a while, I was hoping that Dumbledore would give himself for Harry in the grand finale, but that kind of can't happen now...

Dumbledore: "We can make you disapear and conceal you, Draco so its looks ike your dead."

not his exact words but he said something like that to Malfoy in the Half-Blood Prince.

not his exact words but he said something like that to Malfoy in the Half-Blood Prince.

True, but if you are thinking that is what Dumbledore did to himself, you are far off-base. JKR has confirmed his death, but strangely has also mentioned tidbits of information pointing to the fact that he may make an appearance of some sort in DH.

True, but if you are thinking that is what Dumbledore did to himself, you are far off-base. JKR has confirmed his death, but strangely has also mentioned tidbits of information pointing to the fact that he may make an appearance of some sort in DH.

Of course he will. He'll be a portrait in the headmaster/mistress's office.

But what about the mysterious R.A.B? He hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread and will probably play a large role in the next book. I personally suspect he is Regulus Black, Sirius's death eater brother, supposedly dead.

But what about the mysterious R.A.B? He hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread and will probably play a large role in the next book. I personally suspect he is Regulus Black, Sirius's death eater brother, supposedly dead.

This is gratuitiously sad, and I love it.

R.A.B. probably won't be Regulus, for the simple fact that Rowling characterised Sirius Black as a good judge of character, and Sirius loathed his brother.

The use of initials leads us to believe that we are acquainted with the character already, but as for who it is, I wouldn't like to say.

Voldemort was suppose to be the most powerfull wizard in modern times and he killed of all the best wizards , it would be retarded for J.K to have harry kill him.

Don't take me the wrong way when I say this, because I have been an absurdly large Harry Potter fan since it came out in 1998, but I am really hoping that Harry dies in battle and Neville beats Voldemort. It would be in ordinance with the prophecy, you know! For a while, I was hoping that Dumbledore would give himself for Harry in the grand finale, but that kind of can't happen now...

But Voldemort made Harry his equal so therefor, it'll have to be Harry that takes down Voldemort as the prophecy declares.

Voldemort was suppose to be the most powerfull wizard in modern times and he killed of all the best wizards , it would be retarded for J.K to have harry kill him.

Go back and re-read the prophecy and you will see that either Harry, Tom Riddle (AKA Voldemort) or both is going to die. Remember the Prophecy.

Voldemort was suppose to be the most powerfull wizard in modern times and he killed of all the best wizards , it would be retarded for J.K to have harry kill him.

No it's not. Not in the slightest, because Harry has "special powers", and then there's the wand thingy....

Go back and re-read the prophecy and you will see that either Harry, Tom Riddle (AKA Voldemort) or both is going to die. Remember the Prophecy.

Well i said that harry couldn't kill voldemort because of how retarded that would seem . You are puting to much at stake about the prophecie even Dembledore said that the prophecie wasn't all that important and anyway i don't particulalry think trelawneys all that competant.

Considering this is a book for children it would be strange if JK Rowling decided to have Voldemort brutally murder Harry Potter and then go off to start evilly attacking the world.

Incidentally, did anybody else realise the Voldemort is a Russian Revolutionary hiding behind a reversed name?

When reversed, Voldemort is actually Tromedlov!!!!:eek:

No it's not. Not in the slightest, because Harry has "special powers", and then there's the wand thingy....

Harry main special power is the fact he can love , i doubt that will daunt voldemort , and if it were so simple to kill voldemort why hasn't anyone else? Even though harry has a wand so did all those other dead wizards and beside from what i read in the books people just seemed to stand there when being hit with adava kadavera (whatever it is , i haven't read the books in months)
when you could just move away from it , Nowhere in the book did J.K say that the spell could track / home in on the intended target.

Considering this is a book for children it would be strange if JK Rowling decided to have Voldemort brutally murder Harry Potter and then go off to start evilly attacking the world.

True , I hope J.K doesn't just make it more cuddly just because of the age group.

Harry main special power is the fact he can love , i doubt that will daunt voldemort , and if it were so simple to kill voldemort why hasn't anyone else? Even though harry has a wand so did all those other dead wizards and beside from what i read in the books people just seemed to stand there when being hit with adava kadavera (whatever it is , i haven't read the books in months)
when you could just move away from it , Nowhere in the book did J.K say that the spell could track / home in on the intended target.

You haven't actually read the books have you?

Harry and Voldemort's wands have the same core, and hence a connection.

You haven't actually read the books have you?

Harry and Voldemort's wands have the same core, and hence a connection.

I know but that doesn't mean you can't simply dodge the spell , And maybe voldemort got rid of his wand for another because of the weakness caused by "prior incantatem" ( although i bet he hasn't)

I have read the books but tis getting quiet boring the way harry just treats his friends like crap and expects them to still be there for him (i mean there always first in line when it comes to harrys anger) That and harry justs getting rather annoying .

I know but that doesn't mean you can't simply dodge the spell , And maybe voldemort got rid of his wand for another because of the weakness caused by "prior incantatem" ( although i bet he hasn't)

Shouldn't Harry just get all terrorist on his ass? A suicide bomber Harry that kills Voldemort would be interesting....:p

Shouldn't Harry just get all terrorist on his ass? A suicide bomber Harry that kills Voldemort would be interesting....:p

Why don't the ghost team up and start following the death eaters or mucking up where voldemort lives , I mean its not like voldemort can kill them or permantly get rid of gohsts attacking him.

voldemort will be vanquished. that has to happen to have a satisfactory ending to the series

the only question is will harry survive? im hoping that he will since it is a children's book and dead harry makes it also kind of pointless as a series.

but then she does want this to be the final book and a dead harry means that there cant be a later "harry potter--wizard warrior" series about his adult life. BUT unless she kills everyone there can always be later series about whoever she leaves alive.

so voldemort dead, harry alive.

Shouldn't Harry just get all terrorist on his ass? A suicide bomber Harry that kills Voldemort would be interesting....:p
That would be strange to say the least. But awkwardly interesting. I would say that both Voldemort and Harry die though. Makes no sense for a 16 or 17 year old to be able to defeat some super powerful evil dude.
Ever since book 4, someone has ended up dead. JK Rowling tasted blood.

One detail that has been confirmed from Rowling is that two characters will die. My guess is Harry and Voldemort.

As for the two characters that die, I think one would be Hagrid. In the new potions teacher's house that looked ransacked, there was a destroyed grandfather clock that lost it's pendulum (Dumbledore lost his wand when he died) and also a piano that lost it's keys (big piano, big man. And keys. Hagrid is keeper of the keys at the school). So I think it would be Hagrid who dies.

:eek:

It's 'he-who-must-not-be-named'!

Sneak peek at the upcoming Harry Potter sequel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmLMaYpD_Gc

As for the two characters that die, I think one would be Hagrid. In the new potions teacher's house that looked ransacked, there was a destroyed grandfather clock that lost it's pendulum (Dumbledore lost his wand when he died) and also a piano that lost it's keys (big piano, big man. And keys. Hagrid is keeper of the keys at the school). So I think it would be Hagrid who dies.
Thats just random stuff .. Malfoy used the room of requiremnt to place something in there so did harry and if i do what you did i could say that malfoy actually is harry because they both use the room for similar reasons ! :eek:
Or hagrids was the games keeper and quiditch was called of for 2 years and harry got a ban during umbridge's time at hogwarts therefore I must say that Hagrid is attempting to murder harry's sporting career!:eek:

Get my point?

That was pretty funny.:D

That would be strange to say the least. But awkwardly interesting. I would say that both Voldemort and Harry die though. Makes no sense for a 16 or 17 year old to be able to defeat some super powerful evil dude.


As for the two characters that die, I think one would be Hagrid. In the new potions teacher's house that looked ransacked, there was a destroyed grandfather clock that lost it's pendulum (Dumbledore lost his wand when he died) and also a piano that lost it's keys (big piano, big man. And keys. Hagrid is keeper of the keys at the school). So I think it would be Hagrid who dies.

?:confused:

Voldemort will kick Harry's ass until Mr. T swoops in and kicks Voldemort's ass.

(I really am not a big Harrly Putter fan)

In the new teacher's house, there were two things that fell over. A grand father clock that lost its pendulum and a grand piano that lost its keys. Dumbledore has the appearance of a grandfather. The pendulum represents his wand and the pendulum was far away from the cock. When Dumbledore died, his wand was far away from him, so you can say that the clock was a metaphor for Dumbledore.

The second thing was the grand piano. Grand pianos are big. And it has keys. Any other character fit that description? I'll answer for you. Hagrid does. The piano was broken and it's keys scattered, so I think that is enough proof for Hargid to be in the running for the person who dies.

In the new teacher's house, there were two things that fell over. A grand father clock that lost its pendulum and a grand piano that lost its keys. Dumbledore has the appearance of a grandfather. The pendulum represents his wand and the pendulum was far away from the cock. When Dumbledore died, his wand was far away from him, so you can say that the clock was a metaphor for Dumbledore.

The second thing was the grand piano. Grand pianos are big. And it has keys. Any other character fit that description? I'll answer for you. Hagrid does. The piano was broken and it's keys scattered, so I think that is enough proof for Hargid to be in the running for the person who dies.

Hagrid has the vague apearance of a giant and he went to the giants on a mission but he "found" far away from them back at hogwarts there for the giants represent hagrids loyalty to hogwarts. The castle is big and it has doors anything else that fits that discription? a mansion! I think this is evidence enought to prove hagrid is guilty of being dis-loyal and attempting to murder harrys sports career!

Voldemort will kick Harry's ass until Mr. T swoops in and kicks Voldemort's ass.

(I really am not a big Harrly Putter fan)

Yeah but i have a feeling that Hulk Hogan (according to alex zane he's possibly the most powerfull man in america who also lives in a big house) will come over and Assualt mr.T until they each go back and bring up possi's and start a brutal gang war which will end with a showdown in the south american jungles.

Yeah but i have a feeling that Hulk Hogan (according to alex zane , possible the most powerfull man in america who also lives in a big house) will come over and Assualt mr.T until they each go back and bring up possi's and start a brutal gang war which will end with a showdown in the south american jungles.

Mr. T will pity Hulk Hogan until he dies, no contest.

Mr. T will pity Hulk Hogan until he dies, no contest.

But then Mr.America ( a.k.a hulk hogan ) supporters will go on a riot and end up causing a brutal war in north america leaving the u.s and canada ruined.

Who do you think will win in a fight? Elijah wood or Mr. T ?

MR.T can't take a punch. Definately Elijah because he has a sword and a possi of hobbits at his side.

I remember the prove, that Harry Potter is just a copy of Star Wars in which the names were changed. So Harry and Voldemort will ally and rule the world with terror. ;)

I remember the prove, that Harry Potter is just a copy of Star Wars in which the names were changed. So Harry and Voldemort will ally and rule the world with terror. ;)

Tis a prohpecie!

Now, obviously a lot of people are going to die, but the two main characters that die are either going to be Ron or Hermione and Voldemort. Harry will win the fight, but live the rest of his life as a cripple. Harry will have destroyed Voldemort's final spare life but be wounded. The Deatheaters will have a massive attack on Hogwarts in which Ron or Hermione die. Harry manages to overcome his deadly wounds and goes out to kill Voldemort, but Voldemort makes his wounds worse, making him a cripple.

I know...it's sad, but I am a self-professed Harry Potter freak.

Who do I think is going to win the showdown...there are several ways it could go down.

The prophecy states:
"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives" (OP37).

1. Harry could defeat Voldemort, because of the power of love. He has the love of his family, the love of his friends, and the love of Dumbledore. In essence, Dumbledore sacrificed himself for Harry as well, so that adds protection as well. It's very possible that is WHY Dumbledore allowed himself to be killed. I totally believe it was his choice. Harry hasn't truly lived yet, though he is 17 years old.

2. Voldemort kills Harry. I don't understand the point of the series if this happens. My brother has likened it to Jesus, dying for the good of the world. Do I think JKR is that religious...not really. She isn't CS Lewis, and her books are not meant to be a religious metaphor. (Not that CS Lewis meant his to become them...he may or may not have...I've never read the Chronicles of Narnia, so I can't comment on his intentions, I just know they have become metaphors, and he never refuted that, JKR refutes the religious connection on a regular basis)

3. They both die. I don't see how this fufills the prophecy either. While Dumbledore said don't put too much stock in the prophecy, JKR wouldn't have included it, unless it was relevant. She doesn't do ANYTHING by accident. The prophecy doesn't say that they may both die...I read it as one is going to prevail, and live, not just survive.

I, personally think it's option number 1. Perhaps it's just that I love the Harry character. I don't want him to die. I love the "hero" thing he has, the "saving people" I am really kind of sad that the series has ended. I rarely fall so in love with a book or series. I want to know more about James and Lily, I want to know if Harry and Ginny live happily ever after, and have lots of wizard babies. I want to know if Ron and Hermione ever get it together.

I'm looking forward to the release of the last book, but I'm also not, because I don't want it to be over. JKR has stated many times that she will not write any more HP books, though she may do more charity books, like the book about Quidditch and the Magical Creature book. She never intended to write children's books, she got the idea, and she couldn't get it out of her head until it was done.

All right, I've proven what a HP geek I am, I'll stop now

Harry Potter will win, but it's not inconceivable that he'll die in the process.

Not that CS Lewis meant his to become them...he may or may not have...

He did. Aslan died for your sins on the cro...erm, stone table.

You haven't actually read the books have you?

Harry and Voldemort's wands have the same core, and hence a connection.

Look what happened in Episode 4. Voldemort went to kill Harry but the spells cancelled out. Amazing.

:eek:

It's 'he-who-must-not-be-named'!

Oh stop dodging the name. Just because he was evil does not mean he should not be named (now there's a pun)

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

But Voldemort made Harry his equal so therefor, it'll have to be Harry that takes down Voldemort as the prophecy declares.

Not true, it merely says that one cannot live while the other surivives. The prophecy made no mention as to who comes out victorious. That would spoil the fun, don't you think? ;)

Edit!:
As for Neville, if that is what you were talking about, Neville is fully within the guidelines provided by the prophecy. His birthday is in late July, and his parents evaded Voldemort thrice -- that sort of trauma would certainly mark a person, and JKR never said that the mark had to be purely physical.

Not true, it merely says that one cannot live while the other surivives. The prophecy made no mention as to who comes out victorious. That would spoil the fun, don't you think? ;)

Edit!:
As for Neville, if that is what you were talking about, Neville is fully within the guidelines provided by the prophecy. His birthday is in late July, and his parents evaded Voldemort thrice -- that sort of trauma would certainly mark a person, and JKR never said that the mark had to be physical.

You forgot the part about marking him as an equal

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches....Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies.. and the Dark Lord will MARK HIM AS HIS EQUAL, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives....The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the Seventh Month dies....

Neville does not have the mark as an equal. Harry does with his scar on his head. By attacking Harry, he set the prophecy in motion. You are right that Neville was also born when the 7 month was ending however, he was not branded as Voldemort's equal. Harry was when the Killing Curse backfired on Voldemort.

You forgot the part about marking him as an equal



Neville does not have the mark as an equal. Harry does with his scar on his head. By attacking Harry, he set the prophecy in motion. You are right that Neville was also born when the 7 month was ending however, he was not branded as Voldemort's equal. Harry was when the Killing Curse backfired on Voldemort.

I do see your point, but is it possible that he marked them both by some fluke? He inadvertently transferred powers to Harry by that night, and didn't know exactly what the prophecy contained, so it is entirely feasible that he could have marked Harry physically and Neville emotionally. Nobody is perfect, not even the most notorious Dark Lord of the Wizarding world, and JKR is known for pulling twists like this out of her bum, after all. :P

Prophecy: "and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives....The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the Seventh Month dies...."

you think that the one must die at the hand of the other will have something to do with wormtails silver hand.

They both die. That much is obvious, and I daresay that if Harry does not die I will officially cross J.K. Rowling off my list of decent British authors. She's hanging by a thread as it is due to that mess that was Half-Blood Prince. (The whole Ginnie and Harry thing read as though a fangirl had written it. Bloody awful.)

Snape flips out and kills everyone.

They both die. That much is obvious, and I daresay that if Harry does not die I will officially cross J.K. Rowling off my list of decent British authors. She's hanging by a thread as it is due to that mess that was Half-Blood Prince. (The whole Ginnie and Harry thing read as though a fangirl had written it. Bloody awful.)

That was my exact impression. =/

After re-reading the introduction to occlumency lessons, I'm convinced that Dumbledore was wrong about Snape. Snape is evil. He is the Half-Blood Prince and he want's to be the next Voldemort.

Nah, Harry's gonna die in the seventh book. On account of the fact Ginny will strangle him for being an insufferable prick, which he's really being in these past two books.

Nah, Harry's gonna die in the seventh book. On account of the fact Ginny will strangle him for being an insufferable prick, which he's really being in these past two books.

To true!

They both die. That much is obvious, and I daresay that if Harry does not die I will officially cross J.K. Rowling off my list of decent British authors. She's hanging by a thread as it is due to that mess that was Half-Blood Prince. (The whole Ginnie and Harry thing read as though a fangirl had written it. Bloody awful.)

It was so damn random , Harry had onyl ever considered her to be soemthing of a sister figure then he desides he wants to have her for his own just because he got jealous of Dean . (Terrible bit of writing and plot)

Your thoughts?

I say Harry and Vorde merge to become a new person.

they already share too much of each other. so the possiblitiy is that Vordemort and Harry, both "incomplete" by themselves will become a single entity... Harrymort? Vordepotter?

Nah, Harry's gonna die in the seventh book. On account of the fact Ginny will strangle him for being an insufferable prick, which he's really being in these past two books.

can't blame him for that during Half Blood Prince... after all, everyone was affected by the Dementor mist. :p

can't blame him for that during Half Blood Prince... after all, everyone was affected by the Dementor mist. :p

Not really, Harry's never really been the most pleasent of characters.

Not really, Harry's never really been the most pleasent of characters.

Quite the angstmuffin, he is. Hermione is my favourite, though she wasn't exactly the sunniest day in HBP, either.

Other.

They fight in proxy, using the other two schools, seen in that stupid magic olympics one, and eventually Voldemort wins. On the other hand, this takes so bloody long that Harry dies of old age, and Voldemort, now without a proper rival, gets bored, and tops himself.

Overall, Rowling pisses off her fanbase so much that nobody wants to read the books anymore - just as Hergé did with Tintin.

No "Chuck Norris" or "Breakdance" or "Pie" or "They will start making love" options?:(

Oh stop dodging the name. Just because he was evil does not mean he should not be named (now there's a pun)

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


*watches the joke fly a mile over your head*

On account of the fact Ginny will strangle him for being an insufferable prick, which he's really being in these past two books.

If it destroys Harry/Ginny, I'll go with that.

Rocks fall. They all die. The End.

Rocks fall. They all die. The End.

A bolt of blue lightning comes from the sky, and...

It was so damn random , Harry had onyl ever considered her to be soemthing of a sister figure then he desides he wants to have her for his own just because he got jealous of Dean . (Terrible bit of writing and plot)

In fairness to J.K. Rowling, while I don't particularly like Harry/Ginny, it's been foreshadowed since at least the second book. It was not "random" and did not come out of nowhere.

And Order of the Phoenix has a number of hints.

In fairness to J.K. Rowling, while I don't particularly like Harry/Ginny, it's been foreshadowed since at least the second book. It was not "random" and did not come out of nowhere.

And Order of the Phoenix has a number of hints.I'd say it was foreshadowed from the time they first met, which must have been in the first book. All that silly blushing she did was so not random.

Nah, Harry's gonna die in the seventh book. On account of the fact Ginny will strangle him for being an insufferable prick, which he's really being in these past two books.

:p

That's inspired.

:p

That's inspired.

One hopes that J.K. is reading this thread.

One hopes that J.K. is reading this thread.

I do hope so. She might be lost in one of her own plotholes of course....:p

This is gratuitiously sad, and I love it.

R.A.B. probably won't be Regulus, for the simple fact that Rowling characterised Sirius Black as a good judge of character, and Sirius loathed his brother.

The use of initials leads us to believe that we are acquainted with the character already, but as for who it is, I wouldn't like to say.

It is Regulus. There's no other character it could be. The reason I know this? In each of the foreign translations of the book "RAB" is changed to the initials of the foreign spelling of Regulus Arcturus Black. For example:

In the Dutch edition, Regulus is called Regulus Arcturus Zwartz. The initials are changed to RAZ. In the Finnish version it's Musta. RAM. In Norwegian, Svaart. RAS.

It is Regulus. There's no other character it could be. The reason I know this? In each of the foreign translations of the book "RAB" is changed to the initials of the foreign spelling of Regulus Arcturus Black. For example:

In the Dutch edition, Regulus is called Regulus Arcturus Zwartz. The initials are changed to RAZ. In the Finnish version it's Musta. RAM. In Norwegian, Svaart. RAS.

You win. I wasn't aware of that.:)

It is Regulus. There's no other character it could be. The reason I know this? In each of the foreign translations of the book "RAB" is changed to the initials of the foreign spelling of Regulus Arcturus Black. For example:

In the Dutch edition, Regulus is called Regulus Arcturus Zwartz. The initials are changed to RAZ. In the Finnish version it's Musta. RAM. In Norwegian, Svaart. RAS.

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I do see your point, but is it possible that he marked them both by some fluke?

I don't think so because it is clear on Harry. He did not attack Longbottom. His parents were attacked, no doubt but they were not killed as Harry's parents were killed.

He inadvertently transferred powers to Harry by that night, and didn't know exactly what the prophecy contained, so it is entirely feasible that he could have marked Harry physically and Neville emotionally.

He only knew about the 1st part of the prophecy. He did not know the rest of the prophecy. That was why he went after Harry.

Nobody is perfect, not even the most notorious Dark Lord of the Wizarding world, and JKR is known for pulling twists like this out of her bum, after all. :P

Now that is indeed true. I will not argue that :D

After re-reading the introduction to occlumency lessons, I'm convinced that Dumbledore was wrong about Snape. Snape is evil. He is the Half-Blood Prince and he want's to be the next Voldemort.

There is some truth about that.

I think that Tom and Harry should sit down and talk about their feelings. Tom grew up feeling invisible, so he wants to stand out and feel special, and Harry, by being able to thwart him, is threatening that specialness. Harry wants to see himself as good, but actually sees some of himself reflected in Tom, which upsets his previously clear-cut sense of right and wrong. Tom and Harry would make great friends, since Tom just needs to know that somebody cares for him and thinks he's a good person, and Harry just needs to know that being like Tom is okay, because Tom, like all humans, is a mixture of good and evil.

I think that Tom and Harry should sit down and talk about their feelings. Tom grew up feeling invisible, so he wants to stand out and feel special, and Harry, by being able to thwart him, is threatening that specialness. Harry wants to see himself as good, but actually sees some of himself reflected in Tom, which upsets his previously clear-cut sense of right and wrong. Tom and Harry would make great friends, since Tom just needs to know that somebody cares for him and thinks he's a good person, and Harry just needs to know that being like Tom is okay, because Tom, like all humans, is a mixture of good and evil.

Mr. Rogers?

I think that Tom and Harry should sit down and talk about their feelings. Tom grew up feeling invisible, so he wants to stand out and feel special, and Harry, by being able to thwart him, is threatening that specialness. Harry wants to see himself as good, but actually sees some of himself reflected in Tom, which upsets his previously clear-cut sense of right and wrong. Tom and Harry would make great friends, since Tom just needs to know that somebody cares for him and thinks he's a good person, and Harry just needs to know that being like Tom is okay, because Tom, like all humans, is a mixture of good and evil.

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What?

Mr. Rogers?

Nah, I just don't agree with teaching kids that good and evil are distinct, black and white matters. JK Rowling has set up a perfect oppertunity to shatter preconcieved notions of right and wrong (ie: Tom has been given motivation for evil, and Harry is shown as having weaknesses), and my head will implode if she turns that into the classic good triumphs over evil bullcrap.
It'll be like goddamn Beowulf all over again.

Nah, I just don't agree with teaching kids that good and evil are distinct, black and white matters. JK Rowling has set up a perfect oppertunity to shatter preconcieved notions of right and wrong (ie: Tom has been given motivation for evil, and Harry is shown as having weaknesses), and my head will implode if she turns that into the classic good triumphs over evil bullcrap.
It'll be like goddamn Beowulf all over again.

I don't think JKR would do that, exactly. I think Harry and Voldy are both gonna kick the bucket.

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What?

How can I rephrase it? Tom hates Harry because Tom wants to feel like the best in everything (as a child, he was ignored and neglected), and Harry appears to be a better wizard than him. Harry is an angsty emo kid because he wants to feel like he's a good person, but he secretly sees alot of badness in himself, and Tom is a perfect place to channel that anger and hatred towards.

How can I rephrase it? Tom hates Harry because Tom wants to feel like the best in everything (as a child, he was ignored and neglected), and Harry appears to be a better wizard than him. Harry is an angsty emo kid because he wants to feel like he's a good person, but he secretly sees alot of badness in himself, and Tom is a perfect place to channel that anger and hatred towards.

Tom hates Harry because harry thwarted him by not being killed but caused the Killing Curse to backfire. Tom hates Harry because Harry has thwarted him time and time again.

How can I rephrase it? Tom hates Harry because Tom wants to feel like the best in everything (as a child, he was ignored and neglected), and Harry appears to be a better wizard than him. Harry is an angsty emo kid because he wants to feel like he's a good person, but he secretly sees alot of badness in himself, and Tom is a perfect place to channel that anger and hatred towards.

Errr...

I don't think it's going to be a "good pwns evil" thing, it's more of a "good fights evil" thing. Either way, Voldy's screwed.

I don't think JKR would do that, exactly. I think Harry and Voldy are both gonna kick the bucket.

Even if they both die, it'll still be perpetuating the myth that some people are better than others, because it will be clear to everyone that Harry was "right" and "good" and Tom was "wrong" and "evil". From a moral standpoint, it doesn't matter who wins, even though from a physical standpoint, it does.

Nah, I just don't agree with teaching kids that good and evil are distinct, black and white matters. JK Rowling has set up a perfect oppertunity to shatter preconcieved notions of right and wrong (ie: Tom has been given motivation for evil, and Harry is shown as having weaknesses), and my head will implode if she turns that into the classic good triumphs over evil bullcrap.
It'll be like goddamn Beowulf all over again.

That would possibly be the greatest ending ever. But it'll never happen. Though if it did the fanboys and girls would joygasm, cos they'd get to write "Harry boinks Voldemort" fanfiction.

Tom hates Harry because harry thwarted him by not being killed but caused the Killing Curse to backfire. Tom hates Harry because Harry has thwarted him time and time again.

But why does Tom hate being thwarted so much? A stable, self-loving person can deal with defeat, because he is able to understand that being wrong or losing at a competition does not diminish his own value as a person. But because of his troubled childhood, Tom is not able to love and accept himself enough to live with his faults and defeats. Hence, he works angrily to destroy the person who consistently makes him feel the most inadequete (ie: Harry). What Tom really needs is somebody to tell him that he has the potential to be a good person, and that the only affirmation he really needs to feel good about himself is personal affirmation.

But why does Tom hate being thwarted so much? A stable, self-loving person can deal with defeat, because he is able to understand that being wrong or losing at a competition does not diminish his own value as a person. But because of his troubled childhood, Tom is not able to love and accept himself enough to live with his faults and defeats. Hence, he works angrily to destroy the person who consistently makes him feel the most inadequete (ie: Harry). What Tom really needs is somebody to tell him that he has the potential to be a good person, and that the only affirmation he really needs to feel good about himself is personal affirmation.

But Tommy boy felt inadequate loonnnggg before Harry, that's the whole reason why he's "the Dark Lord". To be honest, it's a bit late for Tom/Voldy to start healing from that, and now he's just going after Harry because Harry was (and is) the biggest threat to him. Harry's had a lot more trauma, but Voldy is more screwed up. I don't think Voldy is going to "turn back", but I don't think JKR is going to do some sort of cliched "good pwns evil" thing, I think there will be a lot more to that.

But why does Tom hate being thwarted so much?

BECAUSE HE'S POWER HUNGRY!!!!!!! have you even bothered trying to understand his history? He wants to be the one incharge of everything. He does not care who he hurts along the way. This guy is worse than Nazis. He's kills all who disagree with him and he kills people who fail. He's power hungry.

A stable, self-loving person can deal with defeat, because he is able to understand that being wrong or losing at a competition does not diminish his own value as a person.

That pretty much describes Harry.

But because of his troubled childhood, Tom is not able to love and accept himself enough to live with his faults and defeats. Hence, he works angrily to destroy the person who consistently makes him feel the most inadequete (ie: Harry). What Tom really needs is somebody to tell him that he has the potential to be a good person, and that the only affirmation he really needs to feel good about himself is personal affirmation.

HA! You know jack shit about Voldemort and this post proves the theory. Read up on his history. Look at his history throughout all 6 books. There's enough info there to hammer this type of post.

Am I the only one who sees the delicious ihumour in a fourty-something man arguing with an eighteen year old about Harry Potter? No? Pity.

Whose the 18 yo? Surely you are not referring to me.

That would be TC.

Am I the only one who sees the delicious ihumour in a fourty-something man arguing with an eighteen year old about Harry Potter? No? Pity.

Whose the 18 yo? Surely you are not referring to me.

Whose the 18 yo? Surely you are not referring to me.

Terrorist Cakes.

Whose the 18 yo? Surely you are not referring to me.

Terrorist Cakes. You're forty-something, right? I hope I got your age range correct, because if I didn't, my sincerest apologies.

Both die, as when they meet the world explodes killing everybody.










Except for me.

Terrorist Cakes. You're forty-something, right? I hope I got your age range correct, because if I didn't, my sincerest apologies.

Actually, I'm only seventeen. But I have to admit I thought I was arguing with another teenager, since I didn't believe forty-year-olds were altogether that passionate about children's lit.

BECAUSE HE'S POWER HUNGRY!!!!!!! have you even bothered trying to understand his history? He wants to be the one incharge of everything. He does not care who he hurts along the way. This guy is worse than Nazis. He's kills all who disagree with him and he kills people who fail. He's power hungry.



That pretty much describes Harry.



HA! You know jack shit about Voldemort and this post proves the theory. Read up on his history. Look at his history throughout all 6 books. There's enough info there to hammer this type of post.

My beliefs come directly from trying to understand Tom's history. In one of the books (the sixth, perhaps), we are shown Tom's life as a child. He lived in an orphanage, where he felt ignored and out of place. He didn't feel adequete because he couldn't fit in. So, to cover up his feelings of inadequecy, he tried to obtain control and superiority. He secretly felt worse than all these people, so he pretended to feel better, in the hopes of convincing himself that he was worth something. Really, I'm not disagreeing with you that he's power-hungry. I'm simply trying to understand and explain the reason why he is power-hungry. And when I look at Tom's childhood, I see alot of feelings of neglect and exclusion, which leads me to believe that the motivations behind his actions are because of a deeply rooted insecurity and inability to accept himself. No one has ever shown him the way to love himself and see his own talents and potentials (self-actualization), so he resorts to his primal urges of violence and hatred. However, like all unstable people, he has, time after time, found that acting out of anger and violence will not make him feel any better or more complete than before.
Just because I interpret the novels differently than you doesn't mean I'm not well-acquainted with them. I have a right to question and discuss the novel, and I really don't know why that would upset you as much as it appears to. Are the angry outbursts necessary?

But Tommy boy felt inadequate loonnnggg before Harry, that's the whole reason why he's "the Dark Lord". To be honest, it's a bit late for Tom/Voldy to start healing from that, and now he's just going after Harry because Harry was (and is) the biggest threat to him. Harry's had a lot more trauma, but Voldy is more screwed up. I don't think Voldy is going to "turn back", but I don't think JKR is going to do some sort of cliched "good pwns evil" thing, I think there will be a lot more to that.

Of course Tom's felt inadequete for longer than that. Harry's not the only one who he's channeled his anger on; he's been acting violently towards alot of people, ever since he was a kid. But, like you say, Harry is his biggest threat, because Harry is the only one who hasn't bent under his tyranny. Yeah, Tom's really screwed up (though I don't agree that Harry's seen more trauma...Tom's life was pretty darn traumatic), but never assume it's too late for change. You never know what a nice turn in the psyche ward might do for someone.

Actually, I'm only seventeen. But I have to admit I thought I was arguing with another teenager, since I didn't believe forty-year-olds were altogether that passionate about children's lit.

Oh, really? I thought you were older...huh. You must just give that impression from your posts, the intelligence shown within and whatnot.

As for Allegheny County...he's Corneliu, whom I know to be much older than a teenager at least.

Oh, really? I thought you were older...huh. You must just give that impression from your posts, the intelligence shown within and whatnot.

As for Allegheny County...he's Corneliu, whom I know to be much older than a teenager at least.

Oh, dear...that's why. I seem to have very distinct recollections of arguing with Corneliu on a regular basis. I can't recall about what, but it was probably something related to this (it's surprising how many arguments in get in about human nature and people's motivations for violence and hatred).

But, honestly, I'll read the last book when my sisters finish it, they're guaranteed to pick it up right away, and I won't have to pay for it, and I won't have to house it.

It'll be fun. Hell, it'll probably come out when my family is on vacation again, and they'll kill it in the day and a half after it comes out. I'll read it on the ride home, as I'll probably have finished my books by then.

Terrorist Cakes. You're forty-something, right? I hope I got your age range correct, because if I didn't, my sincerest apologies.

Actually I'm 24 :D

*snip*

Very nice with the childhood. Do not forget though that Voldemort had Hagrid expelled for something that he did not commit. He also wanted to know about very dark magic. Seems to me this goes well beyond childhood drama but into his entire family history.

Just because I interpret the novels differently than you doesn't mean I'm not well-acquainted with them. I have a right to question and discuss the novel, and I really don't know why that would upset you as much as it appears to. Are the angry outbursts necessary?

No they're not and I apologize for them. Just had a very stressful day.

Oh, dear...that's why. I seem to have very distinct recollections of arguing with Corneliu on a regular basis. I can't recall about what, but it was probably something related to this (it's surprising how many arguments in get in about human nature and people's motivations for violence and hatred).

That's a true statement.

It was so damn random , Harry had onyl ever considered her to be soemthing of a sister figure then he desides he wants to have her for his own just because he got jealous of Dean . (Terrible bit of writing and plot)
Random.....gee, you're right, what with it only having started brewing in the 1st book, and having been signalled quite strongly since the 2nd book....I mean talk about out-of-the-blue!:p

Actually I'm 24 :D
...well...I was way off...no surprise there...

Zagat: Surely you're not actually defending that piece of drek. I swear, whether "hinted at" or not, the only hinting came from Ginny. Harry never showed any real interest in her, and if anything was really against the idea. Bloody fanpeoples...

At the end of the book, a US F-15 Tomcat will drop a Nuke on the Wizard School, everyone dies. :D

...well...I was way off...no surprise there...

Zagat: Surely you're not actually defending that piece of drek. I swear, whether "hinted at" or not, the only hinting came from Ginny. Harry never showed any real interest in her, and if anything was really against the idea. Bloody fanpeoples...
"Defending", I don't think so, but it sure as frig wasn't random. You could argue it was poorly written, but if you argue it was random you must be lying, or you have not read the preceeding books, or you are even more oblivious than Ronald Weasley.

Goddamn it, where's Sean Connery gone from the poll options?

My vote has been disappeared!

I reckon harry WILL die, but get's bought back to life. But what do I care, i don't even like harry potter.

I reckon harry WILL die, but get's bought back to life. But what do I care, i don't even like harry potter.

Me too. But I do like Sean Connery...

Harry will become an archlich

Goddamn it, where's Sean Connery gone from the poll options?

My vote has been disappeared!

It disappeared because 1) I had it removed and 2) It was not my poll option.

It disappeared because 1) I had it removed and 2) It was not my poll option.

Killjoy. Connery pwns.

I read the first four books to see what all the fuss was about, although after the second one I'm afraid they started to get a bit dull and bloated.

I'm only going to read the last one if I hear it on good authority that they fight it out with chainsaws.

Harry will die in a valient battle, taking Lord Voldemort with him.

"Defending", I don't think so, but it sure as frig wasn't random. You could argue it was poorly written, but if you argue it was random you must be lying, or you have not read the preceeding books, or you are even more oblivious than Ronald Weasley.

It was random in that Harry himself had never shown any interest, and was also poorly written because of that. Furthermore, it had been made clear that Ginny had gotten over her crush and was no longer interested, yet suddenly they're both interested in each other again. It was stupid, idiotic, and should not have been part of the book, since it wasted time in the book that might have been better spent, oh, I don't know, actually writing something on par with the other books.

It was random in that Harry himself had never shown any interest, and was also poorly written because of that. Furthermore, it had been made clear that Ginny had gotten over her crush and was no longer interested, yet suddenly they're both interested in each other again. It was stupid, idiotic, and should not have been part of the book, since it wasted time in the book that might have been better spent, oh, I don't know, actually writing something on par with the other books.

There was alot of fluff in the books IMO. I didn't like all the quidditch (a little was fine, I thought it was overkill) the flying car thing went on forever. The Ginny thing was stupid. I really don't like her.

I don't think JK is going to kill Harry based on the interviews. She really thinks she's a better liar than she is (I think). I think Snape is going to die and I think Harry's going to kill him. I also think there will be something that proves Snape was on Dumbledores side (after Harry kills him). I think Voldemort will die mostly because I don't think JK wants a morbid ending. I also think Neville will prove to be very useful. I think he might even be the one to kill Voldemort.

Those are my theories.

It was random in that Harry himself had never shown any interest, and was also poorly written because of that. Furthermore, it had been made clear that Ginny had gotten over her crush and was no longer interested, yet suddenly they're both interested in each other again. It was stupid, idiotic, and should not have been part of the book, since it wasted time in the book that might have been better spent, oh, I don't know, actually writing something on par with the other books.

I think that is was improtant just to show that he was leaving almost everything behind to go and fight Voldemort and to show that now, because of what has happened to all his parental figures his life now is: Voldemort. Because now, Hogwarts has nothing left for him ('cept Ron and Hermione but they go with him) so she had to make it so he is leaving something important to him behind.

Incidentally, did anybody else realise the Voldemort is a Russian Revolutionary hiding behind a reversed name?

When reversed, Voldemort is actually Tromedlov!!!!:eek:

Who's Tromedlov?

Since harry potter is a star-wars rip-off, harry will convert to the dark side, then 7 books later some-one else ends his evil empire.

Who's Tromedlov?

A made-up Russian revolutionary. A much more logical idea than mine, which had been that Voldemort came from the french for "flight of death." How ridiculous I must have been when I came up with that theory.

A made-up Russian revolutionary. A much more logical idea than mine, which had been that Voldemort came from the french for "flight of death." How ridiculous I must have been when I came up with that theory.
So does that mean that in book 7 Voldy will pose as a russian revolutionary?

So does that mean that in book 7 Voldy will pose as a russian revolutionary?

I dunno...ask the blessed Chris.

So does that mean that in book 7 Voldy will pose as a russian revolutionary?

No, tromedlov is actually Castro. If you read book 2 closely you'll find proof. So really the story is about how the world liberates Cuba from communism.

No, tromedlov is actually Castro. If you read book 2 closely you'll find proof. So really the story is about how the world frees Cuba from communism

OMG, I LOVE CASTRO! What does that make Harry? Kennedy?



OMG, HARRY GETS SHOT!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!

OMG, I LOVE CASTRO! What does that make Harry? Kennedy?



OMG, HARRY GETS SHOT!
OMG!
OMG!
OMG!

Don't worry. History will exhonorate Voldemort like it has Castro. I guess that makes Lucious Che. Or Snape. Definately not Pettigrew.

Since harry potter is a star-wars rip-off, harry will convert to the dark side, then 7 books later some-one else ends his evil empire.

I never really saw any connection there. Maybe SW-FFXII...but not Harry Potter.

Don't worry. History will exhonorate Voldemort like it has Castro. I guess that makes Lucious Che. Or Snape. Definately not Pettigrew.

Now I just need to make a bunch of tacky Lucius t-shirts and handbags.

Now I just need to make a bunch of tacky Lucius t-shirts and handbags.

Just make sure you get the whole persona trade marked so you can charge a fortune for them.

I never really saw any connection there. Maybe SW-FFXII...but not Harry Potter.

This was taken from Rowling's purse. It clearly proves that Potter is a Stare Wars rip-off.
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/Potter-Star-Wars-Rip.jpg

This was taken from Rowling's purse.
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/Potter-Star-Wars-Rip.jpg

Does that mean Voldemort is really Harry's father.:eek:

Does that mean Voldemort is really Harry's father.:eek:

Or that Hermione and Harry are really related?

Ok, I am not an obsessive fan, but i've read each book a few times, and these are my predictions.

First off, Dumbledore is dead, get over it. Snape tricked him, and he's gone. He isn't coming back, except maybe as a portrait, but he won't have any kind of power.

Harry has to win, otherwise, there's no resolution, this is going to be the last book, so the story has to wrap up. It's either Voldemort who dies, or everybody else. I don't think Rowling would be able to exterminate a whole cast of characters she's spent years working on. So that's one of the two characters she hinted about.

I actually think Harry will live. He'll be horribly wounded and scarred for sure, but he'll live. Ginny Weasley dies. She'll try to help Harry, and of course Voldemort will capture her and use her as bait to lead Harry into some sort of setup. Harry walks right into it, but wins due to blind luck and the desire for a happy ending. However, Ginny is caught in the crossfire and gets snuffed.

Cut, print.

Or that Hermione and Harry are really related?

You're right. So that means that Voldemort is also Hermione's father.

Ok, I am not an obsessive fan, but i've read each book a few times, and these are my predictions.

First off, Dumbledore is dead, get over it. Snape tricked him, and he's gone. He isn't coming back, except maybe as a portrait, but he won't have any kind of power.

Harry has to win, otherwise, there's no resolution, this is going to be the last book, so the story has to wrap up. It's either Voldemort who dies, or everybody else. I don't think Rowling would be able to exterminate a whole cast of characters she's spent years working on. So that's one of the two characters she hinted about.

I actually think Harry will live. He'll be horribly wounded and scarred for sure, but he'll live. Ginny Weasley dies. She'll try to help Harry, and of course Voldemort will capture her and use her as bait to lead Harry into some sort of setup. Harry walks right into it, but wins due to blind luck and the desire for a happy ending. However, Ginny is caught in the crossfire and gets snuffed.

Cut, print.

I don't think Snape was evil. I think Dubledore was pleading with him to do what needed doing. Snape's position would have been compromised when the Death Eaters busted in. I think Snape's going to die in book 7 tho.

I don't think Snape was evil. I think Dubledore was pleading with him to do what needed doing. Snape's position would have been compromised when the Death Eaters busted in. I think Snape's going to die in book 7 tho.

Nah, I'm of the opinion that Snape actually had everyone fooled all along.

If he's still a good guy, how does he get anyone to believe him? It's too implausible.

Does that mean Voldemort is really Harry's father.:eek:

Yes. The truth is so hard to understand, and harry does not realise any of this, but it will all be reveal in book 7.

Ginny Weasley dies. She'll try to help Harry, and of course Voldemort will capture her and use her as bait to lead Harry into some sort of setup.

Looking at it purely from a plot perspective, this makes some sense, but I don't see Rowling giving us a sad ending.

People will die, but Ginny, Ron, Hermione, and Harry won't be among them.

I don't think Snape was evil. I think Dubledore was pleading with him to do what needed doing. Snape's position would have been compromised when the Death Eaters busted in. I think Snape's going to die in book 7 tho.Agreed on all counts.

Nah, I'm of the opinion that Snape actually had everyone fooled all along.

If he's still a good guy, how does he get anyone to believe him? It's too implausible.

Because the scenario was discussed by the Order of the Phoenix. Harry doesn't know half of what they talked about. I don't think Harry will ever believe Snapes a good guy. That's why I think he'd kill him.

I just don't think Dumbledore was that stupid. He has a good read on people. Either way, Dumbledore wasn't getting off the roof alive. I think Snape was stuck with the choice of staying in character or dying alongside Dumbledore.

Not sure if this has been said yet, I don't feel like reading through ten pages to find out, but this is the way I see the big showdown. Voldemort disarms Harry, and is about to kill him when wormtail, who still owes Harry his life from the third book, some how distracts Voldey, and Voldey kill him. Harry regains his wand and blasts Voldey.

Not sure if this has been said yet, I don't feel like reading through ten pages to find out, but this is the way I see the big showdown. Voldemort disarms Harry, and is about to kill him when wormtail, who still owes Harry his life from the third book, some how distracts Voldey, and Voldey kill him. Harry regains his wand and blasts Voldey.

Wormtail is a snivelling, vile, deceptive and cowardly specimen of a man. What makes you so sure he'd strike the most powerful wizard in the world in order to save some stupid boy's life, when it'd be better for him if Harry was dead?

Because the scenario was discussed by the Order of the Phoenix. Harry doesn't know half of what they talked about. I don't think Harry will ever believe Snapes a good guy. That's why I think he'd kill him.

I just don't think Dumbledore was that stupid. He has a good read on people. Either way, Dumbledore wasn't getting off the roof alive. I think Snape was stuck with the choice of staying in character or dying alongside Dumbledore.

Dumbledore was a good character judge, but wasn't Snape giving Harry lessons on how to keep people from reading his mind? He would have to very skilled at that sort of thing, keeping people from reading his feelings and such. There were also hints dropped all throughout the book that Dumbledore is only human and capable of making mistakes too.

To attempt to quote some philosopher or other, can't remember who:
"All men make mistakes, but simple men make simple mistakes, while great men make great mistakes."

Of course, there is already quite possibly the best possible resolution (http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=169) to the Harry Potter series.

I think it is just possible that such an ending actually would alienate more people than a straight "Voldemort wins" scenario, and as such, needs to be recognized for its untrammeled awesomeness.

Of course, there is already quite possibly the best possible resolution (http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=169) to the Harry Potter series.

I think it is just possible that such an ending actually would alienate more people than a straight "Voldemort wins" scenario, and as such, needs to be recognized for its untrammeled awesomeness.

People will commit suicide if that ending is written.

There will be riots.

I love it.

Dumbledore was a good character judge, but wasn't Snape giving Harry lessons on how to keep people from reading his mind? He would have to very skilled at that sort of thing, keeping people from reading his feelings and such. There were also hints dropped all throughout the book that Dumbledore is only human and capable of making mistakes too.

To attempt to quote some philosopher or other, can't remember who:
"All men make mistakes, but simple men make simple mistakes, while great men make great mistakes."

True enough. I never thought that Snape was actually teaching Harry Occulemency. But I always figured it was somehow part of Dumbledore's plan. I don't think he could screw that one up so badly. I also think Snape might have been baiting Harry by pulling the memories out in front of him.

True enough. I never thought that Snape was actually teaching Harry Occulemency. But I always figured it was somehow part of Dumbledore's plan. I don't think he could screw that one up so badly. I also think Snape might have been baiting Harry by pulling the memories out in front of him.

Right, I don't think Snape was actually teaching him Occlumency either. Dumbledore mentioned using Harry as bait for Voldermort at the end of "Order of the Phoenix". But Snape was mentioned as an exceptionally good Occlumens.

Of course, there is already quite possibly the best possible resolution (http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=169) to the Harry Potter series.

I think it is just possible that such an ending actually would alienate more people than a straight "Voldemort wins" scenario, and as such, needs to be recognized for its untrammeled awesomeness.:p

Of course, there is already quite possibly the best possible resolution (http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=169) to the Harry Potter series.

I think it is just possible that such an ending actually would alienate more people than a straight "Voldemort wins" scenario, and as such, needs to be recognized for its untrammeled awesomeness.

...I would burn my copy of the book if that actually happened. Luckily it never will, so I am free to laugh at the hilarity.

It was random in that Harry himself had never shown any interest, and was also poorly written because of that.
That's not random, JKR systematically set it up from the first book, when something is systematically set up, it is inaccurate to describe it as random.
While it may well be poorly written, it's not poorly written due to Harry not having shown any interest. That's in fact not in the least bit unrealistic, I've seen males go from complete disinterest to near bloody obsession due to nothing more than a shower and change of clothing on my part.

Furthermore, it had been made clear that Ginny had gotten over her crush and was no longer interested,
No such thing was made clear, in fact quite the opposite. Why did you think Ginny looked all glum when Harry asked her to the ball in GOF but she'd already agreed to go with Neville?

yet suddenly they're both interested in each other again. It was stupid, idiotic, and should not have been part of the book, since it wasted time in the book that might have been better spent, oh, I don't know, actually writing something on par with the other books.
While it may have been boring (it certainly didnt do anything for me personally) the criticism that it was random simply doesnt hold. Ginny was interested from the get-go and never lost interest. She might have given up hope perhaps, but her interest clearly remained as signalled by JKR throughout the series. Given the nature of the genre (fantasy as opposed to day-time soap) it was always a good likliehood that the two would couple-up.

I'm no great predictor of these things but I certainly knew that it was very probably going to happen at least since GOF, and was aware of the possibility much earlier in the series. It might be pulp-pap, but it sure wasnt random, rather it was planned at the outset and well-signalled throughout.

Harry Potter vs. Lord Voldemort

Neither...

...THIS (http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/dec03/rings-gandalf.jpg) guy. :D

Rocks fall. They all die. The End.

How Lord of the Flies of you.

I guess that:

Harry and Voldemort die.
Snape and one of the Weasleys (possibliy Percy) are good candidates for a hero's death, also.
Maybe one between Hermione, Ginny and Fleur.
Some suspect about Neville, though.

I was reading amazon, and it stated that ONE major character and ONE minor character of importance is going to die. Speculation abounds.

JULY 23, 2007

Reserve your copy now.

Of course, there is already quite possibly the best possible resolution (http://www.homeonthestrange.com/view.php?ID=169) to the Harry Potter series.

I think it is just possible that such an ending actually would alienate more people than a straight "Voldemort wins" scenario, and as such, needs to be recognized for its untrammeled awesomeness.

Best possible ending.