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Now the CIA kidnap-&-Torture planes are pretending to be Canadian too..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article732439.ece
February 19, 2006
THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.

Not only is the call sign bogus — according to the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) — so, it appears, are some of the aircraft details the Americans have filed with the air traffic control authorities.

In at least one case, a plane identified with the CIA practice of “extraordinary rendition” — transporting terrorist suspects — left a US air base just after the arrival of an aircraft using the bogus call sign.

The call sign Juliet Golf Oscar (JGO) followed by a flight number belongs, says the ICAO, to a now bankrupt Canadian low-cost airline called Jetsgo of Montreal.

But for several years and as recently as last December it has been used selectively by both the American air force and army to cover the flights of aircraft to and from the Balkans.

You mean that Simpson's episode where Lisa pretends to be Canadian as a not-so-oblique attempt by the writer to protest the War on Terrorism (driven home by Homer being a Liberal's worst nightmare: a Texan conservative using his Freedom of Speech and right to self-government by having an opinion different than theirs!)?

# # No I don't know what you are going on aboot.

*changes name to Johnny Canuck*

no only people trying to be us

The call sign Juliet Golf Oscar (JGO) followed by a flight number belongs, says the ICAO, to a now bankrupt Canadian low-cost airline called Jetsgo of Montreal.


What's up with that callsign? That's not the standard phoenetic alphabet.. unless it's changed.. hm.

In any case, the CIA sets up shadow companies all the time to mask their movement and activies. Nothing new there. I worked with a guy who spent WWII in a warehouse in Chicago working for the precursor to the CIA.. the building was set up as a trucking company or something like that. Same principle.

# # No I don't know what you are going on aboot.
You know they think their silly accent is so cute.

I can immagine some more liberal Americans pretending to be Canadian. Thoug I think that is mainly due to the Simpsons episode.

Americans in Europe have been attempting to pass themselves off as Canadians since the War of Independence.

What's up with that callsign? That's not the standard phoenetic alphabet.. unless it's changed.. hm.

It's been the phonetic alphebet since I've started using it over 6 years ago at the airport. J has always been Juliet, G has always been Golf and O has always been Oscar. I mean I guess it depends on how old you are because the one they used in WWII was different and changed several times before the final version was adopted on March 1st, 1956.

And why would anyone ever pretend to be Canadian? You have a pick of so many different places to pretend to be.

I mean I guess it depends on how old you are because the one they used in WWII was different and changed several times before the final version was adopted on March 1st, 1956.

And why would anyone ever pretend to be Canadian? You have a pick of so many different places to pretend to be.

You're right about the alphabet, I'm just used to hearing it differently. I'm not that old, I must've just picked it up from old timers.. my mistake.

As for pretending to be Canadian, I wouldn't ever do it, no matter where I was going to travel. I really hope people aren't that paranoid, but there's always going to be a few, I'm sure. Maybe they're afraid some French waiter or concierge is going to give them a funny look, who knows.

You mean that Simpson's episode where Lisa pretends to be Canadian as a not-so-oblique attempt by the writer to protest the War on Terrorism (driven home by Homer being a Liberal's worst nightmare: a Texan conservative using his Freedom of Speech and right to self-government by having an opinion different than theirs!)?
http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

Frequently. Yet another thing to thank our overbearing 'friends' to the south for.

Now the CIA kidnap-&-Torture planes are pretending to be Canadian too..

Great. It's so good to have such a truly stellar ally.

Canada sucks anyway.

You're right about the alphabet, I'm just used to hearing it differently. I'm not that old, I must've just picked it up from old timers.. my mistake.

As for pretending to be Canadian, I wouldn't ever do it, no matter where I was going to travel. I really hope people aren't that paranoid, but there's always going to be a few, I'm sure. Maybe they're afraid some French waiter or concierge is going to give them a funny look, who knows.

I could pretend to be Canadian and get away with it, and I could also probably pretend to be British (that is, if I felt like it). The reason I don't is because I don't feel like it. I'm American, and I use my regular American accent, and pretending to be a nationality I'm not is retarded.

Canada sucks anyway.
No way. Canada's cool.

# # No I don't know what you are going on aboot.
Its about
#1 the US military on a military operation.. An Aircraft posing as civilian.

#2 US military Aircrafts Posing as Canadian Airliners..on top of that.
(If they had posed as an US Airliner.. we would be risking our Civileans.. not Canadian Civileans)

..I remeber the Koreans Downing a 007 Airliner.. or something like that.

read the Article again

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article732439.ece

THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a -Canadian- civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.

America sucks anyway.
There, fixed. Now there should be no problems with interpretation.

Its about
#1 the US military on a military operation.. An Aircraft posing as civilian.

#2 US military Aircrafts Posing as Canadian Airliners..on top of that.
(If they had posed as an US Airliner.. we would be risking our Civileans.. not Canadian Civileans)

..I remember the Koreans Downing a 007 Airliner.. or something like that.

read the Article again

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article732439.ece

THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a -Canadian- civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.


Not a big deal. This has been going on since forever. Remember that the US flagged Iraqi,kuwaiti oil tankers in the gulf under the different nation flags and then finally flagged oil tankers under US flags to stop Iranian ships and planes from sinking them? WWI the brits flew American flags on military ships disguised as merchants. The Uboats would get a big surprise. This was before the entry of America in WWI. So for them to be doing this today is no surprise and not a big deal. It's only a big deal to those that want to make it one. Other then that it is normal practice by the US and basically every other nation that wants to do covert activities.

Not a big deal. This has been going on since forever. Remember that the US flagged Iraqi,kuwaiti oil tankers in the gulf under the different nation flags and then finally flagged oil tankers under US flags to stop Iranian ships and planes from sinking them? WWI the brits flew American flags on military ships disguised as merchants. The Uboats would get a big surprise. This was before the entry of America in WWI. So for them to be doing this today is no surprise and not a big deal. It's only a big deal to those that want to make it one. Other then that it is normal practice by the US and basically every other nation that wants to do covert activities. some rag Tag insurgents/revolutionaries do not bother (or cant afford) to use "Uniforms"..
Is that a problem for you?

Actually, yes I have, because some Americans clearly recognise that they are not overly loved over the pond, so they try and effect a Canadian accent, so as to get served in pubs and such, and to avoid abuse being hurled at them about issues that really aren't their fault.

For example, the vast majority of Americans coming to Europe are Democratic Party supporters, and they don't really like "why the hell did you vote for George Bush?" based comments.

Its about
#1 the US military on a military operation.. An Aircraft posing as civilian.

#2 US military Aircrafts Posing as Canadian Airliners..on top of that.
(If they had posed as an US Airliner.. we would be risking our Civileans.. not Canadian Civileans)

..I remeber the Koreans Downing a 007 Airliner.. or something like that.

read the Article again

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article732439.ece

THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a -Canadian- civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.

# # I don't need to read the article. I can already guess the intent just by the fact you posted it.

There, fixed. Now there should be no problems with interpretation.

Wowwww you are talented.

There, fixed. Now there should be no problems with interpretation.

Now now, stop gerenalizing. An entire continent can't be that bad.

Actually, yes I have, because some Americans clearly recognise that they are not overly loved over the pond, so they try and effect a Canadian accent, so as to get served in pubs and such, and to avoid abuse being hurled at them about issues that really aren't their fault.


Wow. Nobody has ever done that to me.


For example, the vast majority of Americans coming to Europe are Democratic Party supporters, and they don't really like "why the hell did you vote for George Bush?" based comments.

If they ask; I simply tell them how I voted.

I wonder where all this hatred is located? My company has offices in the UK, France and Germany.

Nobody has hurled abuse at me yet.

For example, the vast majority of Americans coming to Europe are Democratic Party supporters.

I'd love to see the statistics on that one. :rolleyes:

# # No I don't know what you are going on aboot.# # I don't need to read the article. I can already guess the intent just by the fact you posted it.meh..
You know.. or you Dont???

First you tell me: You dont know where I am going with all this stuff.. and when I try to show you.. you tell me to save it.

Its about
#1 the US military on a military operation.. An Aircraft posing as civilian.

#2 US military Aircrafts Posing as Canadian Airliners..on top of that.
(If they had posed as an US Airliner.. we would be risking our Civileans.. not Canadian Civileans)

..I remeber the Koreans Downing a 007 Airliner.. or something like that.


The CIA has to pose as civilian. If they didin't, they wouldn't exist, or would be crippled to the point of near-non existence.

As for posing as Canadian, it seems unnecessary and diplomatically risky.. I'm against using the Canadian flag, but otherwise, the CIA has to operate shadow companies to carry out basic duties.

As for the airliner, I think it was the Soviets who shot down a Korean Airlines flight that had gone offcourse to the west of Kamchatka.

meh..
You know.. or you Dont???

First you tell me: You dont know where I am going with all this stuff.. and when I try to show you.. you tell me to save it.

## The first post was simply a joke so that I can use the word "aboot" as our
## cousins up North like to say about.
## I never said you had to stuff it. You can post whatever you like.

Its about
#1 the US military on a military operation.. An Aircraft posing as civilian.

#2 US military Aircrafts Posing as Canadian Airliners..on top of that.
(If they had posed as an US Airliner.. we would be risking our Civileans.. not Canadian Civileans)

..I remeber the Koreans Downing a 007 Airliner.. or something like that.

read the Article again

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article732439.ece

THE American military have been operating flights across Europe using a call sign assigned to a -Canadian- civilian airline that they have no legal right to use.

Errrr you what now?

The Russians shot down a Korean Air Boeing 747...007 was the flight number.

Things like this really don't help your veracity

let me put it this way, if i was visiting or attempting to live in, any other part of the planet then the one where i grew up in, the last thing in hell i would ever mention unless i couldn't get out of doing so because it was a direct question under oath, is that that country happend to have been america!

and since there are enough people from canada who sound enough like people from the west coast and pacific northwest of america, canadian does seem like a reasonable thing to try and pass myself off as.

=^^=
.../\...

A friend of mine will move from the US to Germany in summer. Even now he's pretending to be Canadian when he's in Europe, because he's experienced how US Americans behave abroad and found it to be frightening similar to what he sees in the US, only in the US nobody notices that because all folks there are equally embarrassing. :p

I'd love to see the statistics on that one. :rolleyes:
Well... it was really conjecture to be honest. But most people claim not to support Bush in the slightest when they come over here - whether that's a lie to protect themselves, or the truth, I don't really know.
Wow. Nobody has ever [hurled abuse at] me.
Ah, but have you ever been supremely drunk, and started ranting on about how America's the best place in the universe, and how Europeans are "pussies" for not getting involved in Iraq etc.?

Because that does happen from time to time when Americans are over here (albeit not very much at all, that's true, but it's easier to notice the loud, brash people around you than the quiet, friendly ones) and it usually results in huge amounts of verbal abuse, sadly.
I wonder where all this hatred is located?
The pub.

The pub.

Yes, pubs and well - any old place where alcohol is served, really. The booze brings out the worst in everyone.

I'll be damned before I ever pretend to be from another country out of some kind of childish attempt at appeasing people who are jackasses enough to stereotype and judge me just because I come from the United States. Fuck them. I don't give people like that here that kind of attention, and I'm sure as hell not going to do it abroad.

Except maybe if I were being held hostage or something like that.

I'll be damned before I ever pretend to be from another country out of some kind of childish attempt at appeasing people who are jackasses enough to stereotype and judge me just because I come from the United States. Fuck them. I don't give people like that here that kind of attention, and I'm sure as hell not going to do it abroad.

Except maybe if I were being held hostage or something like that.

Most people use it as a preventitive to just such a turn of events. But by all means, be damned if you prefer.

Most people use it as a preventitive to just such a turn of events. But by all means, be damned if you prefer.

I try to avoid going to places where becoming a hostage is a significant possibility.

I try to avoid going to places where becoming a hostage is a significant possibility.

Then you're also managing to avoid the places where Americans routinely pass themselves off as Canadians. Kudos to you.

As for posing as Canadian, it seems unnecessary and diplomatically risky.. I'm against using the Canadian flag.. I see it the same way.
I have nothing against US tourists using the Canadian flag..

But Military Operations should be morally out of the question..
and.. -AFAIAC- It should be legally out of the question.

Yes, pubs and well - any old place where alcohol is served, really. The booze brings out the worst in everyone.

Hey, some of us are happy drunks!! :(

Hey, some of us are happy drunks!! :(

Nowhere near enough of us though, sadly.

Nowhere near enough of us though, sadly.

Well, roofies for all those bastards then.

On another note, it's nice to know that travelling abroad, I don't have to pretend to be anything.

I try to avoid going to places where becoming a hostage is a significant possibility.
Ah, but the Yemenese climate, 'tis a lovely thing!

I have pretended to be a Canadian when I was off base on those late nights.

I have pretended to be a Canadian when I was off base on those late nights.

You bastard!