NationStates Jolt Archive

Fri Feb 16, 1:42 PM ET

MILAN, Italy - An Italian judge ordered 26 Americans to stand trial for the kidnapping of an Egyptian imam, setting up the first criminal examination of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program.

Italy's former military intelligence chief Nicolo Pollari and his deputy were indicted along with five other Italians in the case, Pollari's lawyer Titta Madia confirmed to AFP.

"We are disappointed but confident that testimony will show General Pollari's opposition to any illegal activity," he said.

Sources: Yahoo / japantoday.com / AFP / ANSA news agency / OccNCopyright©2003-2007
my2cents: last month it was Bonn, now its Rome, I wonder when Madrid or London will show up..

##Do you have any links to these sources so the entire article can be read?

##Do you have any links to these sources so the entire article can be read?links.. ? yes I have.
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=cia%20italy

enjoy

So are the CIA Agents actually going to be brought in and put on trial? Or is this going to end with America saying "Uh uh, uh uh! I'll do what I want!"

Most likely the latter.

Edit: Cool! Time travel!

##Do you have any links to these sources so the entire article can be read?this one from Japan

http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/399354

So are the CIA Agents actually going to be brought in and put on trial? Or is this going to end with America saying "Uh uh, uh uh! I'll do what I want!"

London won't show up.

A major [UK] criminal investigation into alleged corruption by the arms company BAE Systems and its executives was stopped in its tracks...

Lord Goldsmith consulted the prime minister, the defence secretary, foreign secretary, and the intelligence services, and they decided that "the wider public interest" "outweighed the need to maintain the rule of law".

:rolleyes:

Lord Goldsmith consulted the prime minister, the defence secretary, foreign secretary, and the intelligence services, and they decided that "the wider public interest" "outweighed the need to maintain the rule of law".
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>>London won't show up.well.. it takes cojones to show up.
Blair is not a likely candidate.

Wider public interest my ass.

well.. it takes cojones to show up.
Blair is not a likely candidate.As a result of this the UK intelligence services are startingly resent the Blair government quite severely. They feel that they that the intelligence they have produced and continually been misrepresented. Like Iraq WMD 45 minute claim, and now this - contrary to earlier insistences, Sir John Scarlett, the head of the foreign intelligence service, never warned ministers that the Saudis would withdraw help in the war on terror and sever security links with the UK.Blair is corrupt, conniving bastard and I want to seem him sent down for a long time.

Lawl. Like the CIA is going to give them up for trial. We're America; we do what we want.

So are the CIA Agents actually going to be brought in and put on trial? Or is this going to end with America saying "Uh uh, uh uh! I'll do what I want!"even if the US gov decides to hide these terrorists.. it is a good thing the German/Italian Judges decided to apply the Law and Indict them.

apparently with the (sad) exception of the British Justice system.

even if the US gov decides to hide these criminals.. it is a good thing the Judges decided to apply the Law and Indict them.

apparently with the (sad) exception of the British Justice system.

Technically they 'aint criminals until they've been convicted of a crime.

America doesn't play nice any more. Though if the Democrats want to redeem their nation, they should play nice and listen to Italy...

The U.S. listen to what a foreign country demands? Well, that will never happen...

Technically they 'aint criminals until they've been convicted of a crime.then.. I will call them Terrorists..

If I remember correctly.. the new rules are:
"Convicted or not, We can call them terrorist and keep them in the Gulag indefinido-incomunicado-desaparecido."

Blair is corrupt, conniving bastard and I want to seem him sent down for a long time.

Where?

Not to be pedantic but there's no damn space to imprison him.;)

Where?

Not to be pedantic but there's no damn space to imprison him.;)oh.. man :D

I was about to make an outrageously mean joke about Australia.
thanksGod the Jedi inside controlled my Darkside.

oh.. man :D

I was about to make an outrageously mean joke about Australia.
good think the Jedi inside controlled my Darkside.

They're welcome to him.:D

Blair: "You can't send me to prison..."
Reid: "...Because they are all full."

Also, note:

Police: "We will be interviewing government members over cash for honours."

Government: "Due to overcrowding, courts should be lenient with prison sentences."

Coincidence?

A cookie to whoever figures out where I got that.

So are the CIA Agents actually going to be brought in and put on trial? Or is this going to end with America saying "Uh uh, uh uh! I'll do what I want!"

The Italians have even been so generous as to have appointed defense counsel. The lawyers have yet to meet their clients, however, and are conducting a "defense in the dark". I think that goes like "Did too. Did not. Did too. Did not..." until one side or the other gives in and goes home.

if the American government sent them over there to abduct that guy, i see no compelling reason why they should turn those agents over.

*Ahem*

Well, clearly this is just a sign that Italy is full of terrorist sympathizing liberal communists. In fact, this should be considered a declaration of war, and met with the US's full nuclear might.

You might think that that's too harsh, or just plain crazy. But consider this. Italy.

I'll mark the emphasis for you. Italy. That's right, Italy begins with an I. Do you know what else begins with an I? Iran! And Iraq! And improvised explosive device!

*Ahem*

Well, clearly this is just a sign that Italy is full of terrorist sympathizing liberal communists. In fact, this should be considered a declaration of war, and met with the US's full nuclear might.

You might think that that's too harsh, or just plain crazy. But consider this. Italy.

I'll mark the emphasis for you. Italy. That's right, Italy begins with an I. Do you know what else begins with an I? Iran! And Iraq! And improvised explosive device!
http://www.vefbox.com/Media/we-established-a-clear-link.gif

Rainbow Warrior: Redux.

Blair: "You can't send me to prison..."
Reid: "...Because they are all full."

Also, note:

Police: "We will be interviewing government members over cash for honours."

Government: "Due to overcrowding, courts should be lenient with prison sentences."

Coincidence?

A cookie to whoever figures out where I got that.
Private Eye FTW :D

Fri Feb 16, 1:42 PM ET

MILAN, Italy - An Italian judge ordered 26 Americans to stand trial for the kidnapping of an Egyptian imam, setting up the first criminal examination of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program.

Italy's former military intelligence chief Nicolo Pollari and his deputy were indicted along with five other Italians in the case, Pollari's lawyer Titta Madia confirmed to AFP.

"We are disappointed but confident that testimony will show General Pollari's opposition to any illegal activity," he said.

Sources: Yahoo / japantoday.com / AFP / ANSA news agency / OccNCopyright©2003-2007
my2cents: last month it was Bonn, now its Rome, I wonder when Madrid or London will show up..

Will they even show up to the trial? If I were the CIA I'd be hiding them.

Will they even show up to the trial? If I were the CIA I'd be hiding them.

they won't show up.


If the CIA cut its agents out to dry like that, they'd never get any field operatives to ever want to work for them again. Getting arrested in country while they were doing it is one thing, but if they are elsewhere and compelled to go back, they'd never get another field agent.

they won't show up.


If the CIA cut its agents out to dry like that, they'd never get any field operatives to ever want to work for them again. Getting arrested in country while they were doing it is one thing, but if they are elsewhere and compelled to go back, they'd never get another field agent.

As it is, I don't think anyone wants to work in any position of importance in the CIA anymore.

CIA: "This info is bunk. It'll never fly"
Admin: "We'll use this info as if it's gospel"
*info turns out false*
Admin: "You got it wrong! You're fired!"

Fri Feb 16, 1:42 PM ET

MILAN, Italy - An Italian judge ordered 26 Americans to stand trial for the kidnapping of an Egyptian imam, setting up the first criminal examination of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program.

*dies of laughter*

Gotta love the Italians. This is nothing new. This will go nowhere. We all know it. :D

Italy's former military intelligence chief Nicolo Pollari and his deputy were indicted along with five other Italians in the case, Pollari's lawyer Titta Madia confirmed to AFP.

Now this is news worthy and something that is within the Italians jurisdiction.

"We are disappointed but confident that testimony will show General Pollari's opposition to any illegal activity," he said.

Sources: Yahoo / japantoday.com / AFP / ANSA news agency / OccNCopyright©2003-2007
my2cents: last month it was Bonn, now its Rome, I wonder when Madrid or London will show up..

Now the link to the full article will be greatly appreciated.

even if the US gov decides to hide these terrorists.. it is a good thing the German/Italian Judges decided to apply the Law and Indict them.

apparently with the (sad) exception of the British Justice system.

Terrorists? Dies of laughter. You really do make me laugh OD2

if the allegations are true they deserve to be in jail. No other possibility.

Ain't happening Arthais101. You know how politics works.

You really do make me laugh OD2Is that Daily show funny?? or FOXnews-copycat-Dailyshow-Funny ?? :D

Dies of laughter. must be Colbert-Report (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geuvDecdZF_FQBiihXNyoA?p=Colbert+reilly) funny.:cool:

Terrorists? T-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t-s.
I 100% stand by my statement

if the allegations are true they deserve to be in jail. No other possibility.

SNIP

Meh, happened already in Germany.

they won't show up.


If the CIA cut its agents out to dry like that, they'd never get any field operatives to ever want to work for them again. Getting arrested in country while they were doing it is one thing, but if they are elsewhere and compelled to go back, they'd never get another field agent.

Wouldn't this count as disavowing them although, the secret is out, they're known...

Ain't happening Arthais101. You know how politics works.

the politics that shields are the politicians that I will do everything I can to ensure they neve hold office again.

the politics that shields are the politicians that I will do everything I can to ensure they neve hold office again.

Well that eliminates all government officials.

Well that eliminates all government officials.

I doubt it.

It's good to see these American criminal mercenaries will put to justice for thier complicity in violating International Law.

It's good to see these American criminal mercenaries will put to justice for thier complicity in violating International Law.

Care to pass over whatever the hell it is you are smoking? I want some.

If you firmly believe there will be a trial then I have a bridge for sale in Sydney.

It's good to see these American criminal mercenaries will put to justice for thier complicity in violating International Law.

Lawl. Lets see the Italian police find the CIA agents.

It's good to see these American criminal mercenaries will put to justice for thier complicity in violating International Law.Alright, I want every German and Italian officer who followed ORDERS to be put for trail for what they did in WW II. To understand these are basically soldiers in comparision and that the ones who issued the orders, do not think Bush ordered this directly then you are a :confused:, so you have to understand in comparision, though my example is pretty bad, it bears the same credendience.

Lawl. Lets see the Italian police find the CIA agents.

Hey man, can we cool the nationalism please. I was simply stating that these people are criminals who violated International Law, and deserve under the Law to be prosecuted as such, the fact that they work for a state makes it worst, not better. If they abscond then it's proves their guilt all the more.

Hey man, can we cool the nationalism please. I was simply stating that these people are criminals who violated International Law, and deserve under the Law to be prosecuted as such, the fact that they work for a state makes it worst, not better. If they abscond then it's proves their guilt all the more.

I see someone here does not know how politics works at all. Not a problem. Its understandable. Even the Socialists played this game well and instead of jail time, agents were exchanged.

Oh and in reality, there is no such thing as International Law.

As it is, I don't think anyone wants to work in any position of importance in the CIA anymore.

CIA: "This info is bunk. It'll never fly"
Admin: "We'll use this info as if it's gospel"
*info turns out false*
Admin: "You got it wrong! You're fired!"




Not quite, That won't affect the anaylsts and the Field Agents.

Hey man, can we cool the nationalism please. I was simply stating that these people are criminals who violated International Law, and deserve under the Law to be prosecuted as such, the fact that they work for a state makes it worst, not better. If they abscond then it's proves their guilt all the more.

Well, they'll never be prosecuted. Or found. Because we're America. And we do what we want. And we apply law whenever it suits our needs.

Ahhh...good to be the hegemon.

Wouldn't this count as disavowing them although, the secret is out, they're known...

You've watched too much Mission Impossible.

Oh and in reality, there is no such thing as International Law.

That's why when American citizens get snatched by foreign agencies, Americans will huff, and puff, and go watch prime time tv.

That's why when American citizens get snatched by foreign agencies, Americans will huff, and puff, and go watch prime time tv.

yes but then we'll flex our muscles a little. And in all but the most serious cases that will get them out.

Seriously if we wanted to make a big issue out of something we have the might to back it up


(not counting the inevitable economic consequences)

But does any nation really want to fight us head on?

There are several nations that could do that and leave America a blasted lifeless desert. Of course the downside is that they'd be the same too. And vice versa.

There are several nations that could do that and leave America a blasted lifeless desert. Of course the downside is that they'd be the same too. And vice versa.

Mutually Assured Destruction FTW!

There are several nations that could do that and leave America a blasted lifeless desert. Of course the downside is that they'd be the same too. And vice versa.



Say what you want about our conventional forces, we still have enough Nuclear forces to turn any enemy into smoldering ashes and cooling glass. And you know the US we're so unpredicatable, you never know when we might strike ;)