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Too bad, the part where they made fun of electric cars was just oh so funny.

You seem to be suggesting that my missing the show was a mistake on my part. :p

No, it's like the kettle calling the pot black. MSNBC is a conservative media outlet, but they try to pretend that they've still got some connection to reality. But they're the guys who fired Donahue (their most profitable talent) when he was criticizing Bush's lead up to the Iraq war.

But it wasn't MSNBC as a whole that called FOX biased. It's not like how FOX had promos asking "is MSNBC America's news network?" after they had an interview with a General who said that Bush's plan was a bad one. "Support the troops by ignoring what they have to say about our president"?

The difference is that MSNBC still has a line up between their editorializing and their news organization, while Fox doesn't. You can't really call a network that has built its nightly lineup around Keith Olbermann conservative. It still skews that way a bit, what with Scarborough and the Bow Tie coming on after him, but on the whole, MSNBC's analysis lineup is closer to balanced than anything else out there (depending on which Chris Matthews shows up to work that night--that fucker's schizophrenic).

You seem to be suggesting that my missing the show was a mistake on my part. :p

I doubt it. From what I've been hearing this show was abysmal. The only thing that was remotely chuckle-worthy was the Hillary Clinton thing.

If the conservative base is so wrong, Fox News is just a rightwing machine, then why is it so popular, and why is it that MSNBC, CNN, Air America, and NPR such failures?

If the conservative base is so wrong, Fox News is just a rightwing machine, then why is it so popular, and why is it that MSNBC, CNN, Air America, and NPR such failures?

Two things

1) popularity != truth
People by the millions watch entertainment with no vallid basis in reality, just because it is popular does not make it true or correct

2) How are you judging them as failures?

If the conservative base is so wrong, Fox News is just a rightwing machine, then why is it so popular, and why is it that MSNBC, CNN, Air America, and NPR such failures?

Well, MSNBC and CNN aren't the left-wing equivalent of Fox, for starters. Air America has experienced the growing pains that any new company does, and it's ratings are actually pretty good considering they were starting from scratch. And NPR can't be considered a failure by any reasonable definition of the word.

On a side note, I would like to thank you for not putting a gun smiley into your very first post.

On a side note, I would like to thank you for not putting a gun smiley into your very first post.
Praise Gawd! :D

Well, MSNBC and CNN aren't the left-wing equivalent of Fox, for starters. Air America has experienced the growing pains that any new company does, and it's ratings are actually pretty good considering they were starting from scratch. And NPR can't be considered a failure by any reasonable definition of the word.

On a side note, I would like to thank you for not putting a gun smiley into your very first post.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't NPR largely funded by donations? It doesn't even have commercials, does it? How does that make it available for comparison?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't NPR largely funded by donations? It doesn't even have commercials, does it? How does that make it available for comparison?

It depends on how you judge success or failure. I assumed the poster was talking about ratings, not earning power, because by that measure, Fox News hasn't been much of a success until recently. They were charging less for their advertising than CNN even when they had a bigger audience because they'd locked into contracts when they weren't as large, and now that they're larger and able to demand more, their ratings have started to slip, and slip noticeably. The only cable news channel to grow overall audience and key demographics last year was MSNBC.

I am not equating truth with popularity - it just amazes me how the left proclaims that 2/3 of America is against the war and Bush, yet the most popular news network defends traditionalism (Fox is not Rightwing in any sense of the word - O'Reilly is against the death penalty among other things, and the presence of Alan Colmes, Greta, Geraldo, and others creates a balanced atmosphere - it's just unlike the other networks Fox does not lower itself to propagating the secular/progressive agenda). That 2/3 of America being against the current administration is based on polls taken in the northeast, and the LA basin - the two largest hotbeds of secular progressiveness. Of course that's what the polls say. The popularity of Fox news over leftist news propaganda machines is proof of the true American opinion, I believe. As for NPR being a success, are you kidding? They survive because of elitist funding - but ratings are way low. The most popular radio shows on the dial are, drum roll please, conservative talk shows. Yet another indicator of the pulse of America.

I am not equating truth with popularity - it just amazes me how the left proclaims that 2/3 of America is against the war and Bush, yet the most popular news network defends traditionalism (Fox is not Rightwing in any sense of the word - O'Reilly is against the death penalty among other things, and the presence of Alan Colmes, Greta, Geraldo, and others creates a balanced atmosphere - it's just unlike the other networks Fox does not lower itself to propagating the secular/progressive agenda). That 2/3 of America being against the current administration is based on polls taken in the northeast, and the LA basin - the two largest hotbeds of secular progressiveness. Of course that's what the polls say. The popularity of Fox news over leftist news propaganda machines is proof of the true American opinion, I believe. As for NPR being a success, are you kidding? They survive because of elitist funding - but ratings are way low. The most popular radio shows on the dial are, drum roll please, conservative talk shows. Yet another indicator of the pulse of America.

Okay, it's clear. You're just a troll making shit up for the hell of it.

If the conservative base is so wrong, Fox News is just a rightwing machine, then why is it so popular, and why is it that MSNBC, CNN, Air America, and NPR such failures?Why is it so popular you say? Simple: They don't report news, they broadcast entertainment. It's a simple concept, but it works since there's no established quality news program.

I am not equating truth with popularity - it just amazes me how the left proclaims that 2/3 of America is against the war and Bush, yet the most popular news network defends traditionalism (Fox is not Rightwing in any sense of the word - O'Reilly is against the death penalty among other things, and the presence of Alan Colmes, Greta, Geraldo, and others creates a balanced atmosphere - it's just unlike the other networks Fox does not lower itself to propagating the secular/progressive agenda). That 2/3 of America being against the current administration is based on polls taken in the northeast, and the LA basin - the two largest hotbeds of secular progressiveness. Of course that's what the polls say. The popularity of Fox news over leftist news propaganda machines is proof of the true American opinion, I believe. As for NPR being a success, are you kidding? They survive because of elitist funding - but ratings are way low. The most popular radio shows on the dial are, drum roll please, conservative talk shows. Yet another indicator of the pulse of America.
*clears throat conspicuously*

I am not equating truth with popularity - it just amazes me how the left proclaims that 2/3 of America is against the war and Bush, yet the most popular news network defends traditionalism Who told you that "the left" proclaims that 2/3rds of America are against the war? I spent half a year in the US and haven't seen hide nor hair of anything that can be considered leftist on the media landscape. Besides, does more than a third of all Americans watch Fox?
(Fox is not Rightwing in any sense of the word - O'Reilly is against the death penalty among other things, and the presence of Alan Colmes, Greta, Geraldo, and others creates a balanced atmosphere - it's just unlike the other networks Fox does not lower itself to propagating the secular/progressive agenda). I see. You would do well to realize that "rightwing" starts somewhere far to the left of O'Reilly.
That 2/3 of America being against the current administration is based on polls taken in the northeast, and the LA basin - the two largest hotbeds of secular progressiveness. Of course that's what the polls say. Bla bla bla.
The popularity of Fox news over leftist news propaganda machines is proof of the true American opinion, I believe. What leftist news propaganda machines? They don't friggin exist!
As for NPR being a success, are you kidding? They survive because of elitist funding - but ratings are way low. Funny, because here in Germany the best quality news program also receives "elitist funding", which keeps it from having to sell out and opt their program for the purpose of selling ratings. Incidentally, it also has the highest ratings.
The most popular radio shows on the dial are, drum roll please, conservative talk shows. Yet another indicator of the pulse of America.Most of the people I knew were switching to satellite radio to avoid the constant yapping on regular stations.

No, I am relatively new to the game, but I don't troll. I saw a question posed that caught my interest. Trust me, I deal with my share of liberal trolls on my dozen plus sites. As for Fox not reporting the news, are you kidding? The most balanced viewpoint of the news comes from that network. There is no agenda at Fox like the rest of the networks, just the attempt to provide the honest truth - that's why I watch it.

I spent half a year in the US and haven't seen hide nor hair of anything that can be considered leftist on the media landscape.
Of course -- you are from teh ebil liberal Europes, and are therefore desensitized to liberalism in the public square. [/sarcasm]

The 2/3 of America against the war and Bush may not be said in Europe, but everytime a liberal speaks up here, that is their words (Rosie O'Donnel, Chris Mathews, etc etc etc - I hear it daily)

The 2/3 of America against the war and Bush may not be said in Europe, but everytime a liberal speaks up here, that is their words (Rosie O'Donnel, Chris Mathews, etc etc etc - I hear it daily)You said earlier that it was the left saying and now liberals? Make up your mind.

The 2/3 of America against the war and Bush may not be said in Europe, but everytime a liberal speaks up here, that is their words (Rosie O'Donnel, Chris Mathews, etc etc etc - I hear it daily)

Liberal political and social figures != vast opinion of the general liberal populace.

usually I do not talk with under-100-posts NSGers.. unless they are a reborn.. but I will take exception here..Fox is not Rightwing in any sense of the word - O'Reilly is against the death penalty among other things, and the presence of Alan Colmes, Greta, Geraldo, and others creates a balanced atmosphere - it's just unlike the other networks Fox does not lower itself to propagating the secular/progressive agenda..you actualy believe what you are saying ?

it just amazes me how the left proclaims that 2/3 of America is against the war and Bush..a well informed fellow like you should be able to tell US what is the actual percentage.
If its not 2/3 .. then what is it?.. please do enlighten US.

Hey, I don't have a percentage, I am repeating what the left proclaims, so ask them for the percentage.

And yes, I do believe that Fox News is fair and balanced.

liberals/left is the same. Sure, there are different degrees, it's just terminology. If you would rather me use more specific terms I can say Liberal Left, Secular Progressives, Marxists, etc. Take a pick.You're not for real. No one is this stupid.

You said earlier that it was the left saying and now liberals? Make up your mind.

liberals/left is the same. Sure, there are different degrees, it's just terminology. If you would rather me use more specific terms I can say Liberal Left, Secular Progressives, Marxists, etc. Take a pick.

Hey, I don't have a percentage, I am repeating what the left proclaims, so ask them for the percentage.

And yes, I do believe that Fox News is fair and balanced.

Can you actually cite a source of this leftist proclamation? Or are you just going to keep saying it until we believe you?

Can you actually cite a source of this leftist proclamation? Or are you just going to keep saying it until we believe you?He probably is. That's how the rightwing media managed to convince everyone that there was a liberal media in the first place.

Can you actually cite a source of this leftist proclamation? Or are you just going to keep saying it until we believe you?
Here's his argument--and you can scroll up if you think I'm making this up. Polls say that 2/3 of Americans are against the war, but you can't believe the polls, because the places that are doing the polling only ask people in the liberal Northeast and southern California basin.

It's like asking me to cite the source that a majority thinks the sky is blue - it has been said so often that the source is all around us.

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I am not putting anyone down, I just disagree with many of the points made in this particular thread. Interesting how the leftist agenda of the Daily Show is not challenged, but if Fox News creates a show showing a less lefty viewpoint, people are all over it with criticism. Why is freedom of speech only allowed by the left if you agree with the left?

Hey, I don't have a percentage, I am repeating what the left proclaims, so ask them for the percentage.

And yes, I do believe that Fox News is fair and balanced.
I would ask you to pass around what you are smoking, but I am sure it is some vile, evil, mind-destroying thing.

They survive because of elitist funding - but ratings are way low.
Why would anyone fund it if it's a cash blackhole and has low ratings?
Oh yeah, because the "liberals" are stupid. However, let's play the "manipulate words" game. Liberals are all very rich and generous and conservatives are poor and/or miserly. See, I can do it to.

That was just sad...

Also, why does Coulter think she's hot? She's totally not...

That was just sad...

Also, why does Coulter think she's hot? She's totally not..."Madame" Vice-president indeed... :p

As for Fox not reporting the news, are you kidding? The most balanced viewpoint of the news comes from that network. There is no agenda at Fox like the rest of the networks, just the attempt to provide the honest truth - that's why I watch it.

*stares*

You honestly believe what you are saying here don't you?

I would ask you to pass around what you are smoking, but I am sure it is some vile, evil, mind-destroying thing.

Hillbillies use crystal meth. You don't want any part of that.

FOX NEWS INTERNAL MEMO: "Be On The Lookout For Any Statements From The Iraqi Insurgents...Thrilled At The Prospect Of A Dem Controlled Congress"...

How sad.

liberals/left is the same. Sure, there are different degrees, it's just terminology. If you would rather me use more specific terms I can say Liberal Left, Secular Progressives, Marxists, etc. Take a pick.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3205/politicalaxesaw8.png


God, I've been waiting forever to use this.

Long story short, liberal =/= left. They measure two completely different things.

It's like asking me to cite the source that a majority thinks the sky is blue - it has been said so often that the source is all around us.

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I am not putting anyone down, I just disagree with many of the points made in this particular thread. Interesting how the leftist agenda of the Daily Show is not challenged, but if Fox News creates a show showing a less lefty viewpoint, people are all over it with criticism. Why is freedom of speech only allowed by the left if you agree with the left?

1.The Daily show does not have a "leftist" agenda. They slam the Dems plenty. Obviously you do not watch the show. They make fun of everyone.
2.The Daily Show never claims to be "fair and balanced", nor "equal opportunity offender". This show does. And yet, it seems that the only purpose of this show is to offend a select group of people. The difference is, the Daily Show offends everyone at some point or another, this show is just aimed at a few select groups. Worse yet, they claim that they aren't this way, when it is so incredibly obvious that it is.
3.The Daily Show is funny. This is not. Hell, there aren't even jokes before the goddamn laugh tracks(Which are the cheesiest laugh tracks I have heard), and worse yet, the "jokes" don't have punchlines-they aren't done to be funny, they are done just to insult a specific group of people. That is the only purpose for this show, it seems.
4.Nobody is trying to deny FOX's right to broadcast-thus your little "free speech" rant is utterly pointless, and shows you hackery. HOWEVER they are saying that this is a shameless rip-off of the Daily Show, only without the actual comedy, sans the intellect, and it will tank faster than the Titanic. Or is that to soon?

Seriously, do you actually think for yourself, ever? Have you ever had a complete thought of your own? Eh? Maybe? No?

It's like asking me to cite the source that a majority thinks the sky is blue - it has been said so often that the source is all around us.

Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I am not putting anyone down, I just disagree with many of the points made in this particular thread. Interesting how the leftist agenda of the Daily Show is not challenged, but if Fox News creates a show showing a less lefty viewpoint, people are all over it with criticism. Why is freedom of speech only allowed by the left if you agree with the left?

Humor me. If you're going to suggest that the source is all around us, surely you can find some readily accessible link that would show the numbers your purport.

Also, can you cite a source showing clear left-bias on the part of the Daily Show?

Or you could continue to throw rhetoric at this discussion until we're all dead of old age.

you know what I realized this show doesn't rip off the dailey show it rips off the low budget Canadian satire "This hour Has 22 minutes" Even the name is the same.

Humor me. If you're going to suggest that the source is all around us, surely you can find some readily accessible link that would show the numbers your purport.
His Google-fu is weak.

Or perhaps he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Take your pick. :p

His Google-fu is weak.

Or perhaps he just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Take your pick. :p

Yes, but I want to give him at least an opportunity to back up his claims before I write him off as either a troll or a witless buffoon.

Yes, but I want to give him at least an opportunity to back up his claims before I write him off as either a troll or a witless buffoon.

Witlessness the greater of the two transgressions, imo.

Yes, but I want to give him at least an opportunity to back up his claims before I write him off as either a troll or a witless buffoon.

But that's so inefficient. At post counts like that, it takes far less effort to start them at witless buffoon and see if they work their way up.

But that's so inefficient. At post counts like that, it takes far less effort to start them at witless buffoon and see if they work their way up.

I'm willing to show some patience. I'm not exactly bursting at the seams with posts either.

As a right-winger and a thinking human being, my reaction upon watching that 2 min clip was to turn away into a corner and weep bitterly. That was the most... Let's just say I have to agree with the majority of the people here. It was garbage.

I'm willing to show some patience. I'm not exactly bursting at the seams with posts either.

Precisely. It is much easier for me to assume you are a witless buffoon.

Precisely. It is much easier for me to assume you are a witless buffoon.

Heh, good point.

you know what I realized this show doesn't rip off the dailey show it rips off the low budget Canadian satire "This hour Has 22 minutes" Even the name is the same.

Except This Hour is actually funny. Ann Coulter and Rush just fucking scare me. They could make Karl Rove and Dicky Cheney shit their pants in unison...:eek:

Heh, good point.

Also, having assumed they are witless buffoons, it gives them a worthy goal in life. :P

As a right-winger and a thinking human being, my reaction upon watching that 2 min clip was to turn away into a corner and weep bitterly. That was the most... Let's just say I have to agree with the majority of the people here. It was garbage.

If they had something of the quality of the other shows it tries to compare itself to I could give it props even if it was not my normal viewing ... I cant even do that for this pile

So in other words, you don't actually watch the show. You just repeat what others tell you about it. Glad we cleared that up.

To be fair, you should have a TG discussion with them. :)
I'm just a little surprised it took the righties as long as it did ... but then, given Katrina, i'm not really that surprised.
And, the proof's in the pudding. Predictable, really.

I enjoyed the video clips in the OP. Granted, some of the jokes were funny to me in a way probably not intended by the writers.

It's not as good as the Daily Show or The Onion, but it did make me chuckle.

Oh boy. The thing had nearly 1.5 million viewers (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117959928.html?categoryid=14&cs=1), which
puts it in a league with Comedy Central's "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart," which averages 1.6 million, and "The Colbert Report," which averages 1.2 million.

:/

Well, let's see how they do in their second week...

Oh boy. The thing had nearly 1.5 million viewers (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117959928.html?categoryid=14&cs=1), which


:/

Well, let's see how they do in their second week...

But then you have to wonder how many of those viewers were genuinely enjoying it and how many were tuning in for derisive laughs.

Oh boy. The thing had nearly 1.5 million viewers (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117959928.html?categoryid=14&cs=1), which


:/

Well, let's see how they do in their second week...

Agreed these shows have caught and HEALED those viewers ... people watched this show for the same reason that people watch car crashes .

I just watched it - you can find it all out on youtube - and I laughed once. One time, during the show. And "laughed" is pushing it. I sniggered once.

It suffers greatly from being a "we'll only make fun of the lefties"-show...

But then you have to wonder how many of those viewers were genuinely enjoying it and how many were tuning in for derisive laughs.

Or because it was a premier of a show following Hannity's Asshat Hour that had been heavily advertised.

And is it just me, or is this contradictory:
Heavily promoted on FNC and on conservative talkradio, the first pilot episode of "The ½ Hour News Hour" premiered with nearly 1.5 million viewers, according to Nielsen Media Research. That's a big number for an unknown show in a Sunday timeslot.

God, I love how Fox pisses off lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. :D

Props to Fox, and keep up the good work!

God, I love how Fox pisses off lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. :D

Props to Fox, and keep up the good work!

I'm sure I speak for plenty when I say this. Idiot.

I'm sure I speak for plenty when I say this. Idiot.A mouthy one, too. ;)

God, I love how Fox has contards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. :D

Props to Fox Entertainment Network, and keep up the good work!

Fix'd

God, I love how Fox pisses off lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. :D

Props to Fox, and keep up the good work!

Again, you miss the point completely:

They don't piss off anybody - they just aren't funny! That's their worst sin. They. Aren't. Bloody. FUNNY!

Please give me a stand-up comedian or a comedy show that really makes fun of "Ze left" and makes me laugh and think about things. Please bring me humor and laughs. This show fails. Utterly.

He's so blah! Plus his politics make him even uglier.

Woah Woah Waoah back up to where we were talking about jon and stephen in nothing but a tie. Did you see that thing Stephen did on the daily show with the banana and the Prince Charles is gay story? Too hot for words.

This was so bad I had to watch 4 hours of Scrubs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OClhuzy6d2o&NR) to restore my faith in humor.

I kind of agree with New Mitanni.

It seems that you are threatened by their humour and are critsizing it the only way you can. By saying its not funny. Which is exactly the same as critics of Daily Show say about it. "Its horrible, untrue and just ..... just .... just.... :'( not funny"

No, it's that it really isn't funny. We've got transcripts here. I've seen more humor in an encyclopedia entry.

Again, you miss the point completely:

They don't piss off anybody - they just aren't funny! That's their worst sin. They. Aren't. Bloody. FUNNY!

Please give me a stand-up comedian or a comedy show that really makes fun of "Ze left" and makes me laugh and think about things. Please bring me humor and laughs. This show fails. Utterly.
I kind of agree with New Mitanni.

It seems that you are threatened by their humour and are critsizing it the only way you can. By saying its not funny. Which is exactly the same as critics of Daily Show say about it. "Its horrible, untrue and just ..... just .... just.... :'( not funny"

I kind of agree with New Mitanni.

It seems that you are threatened by their humour and are critsizing it the only way you can. By saying its not funny. Which is exactly the same as critics of Daily Show say about it. "Its horrible, untrue and just ..... just .... just.... :'( not funny"
False. Plenty of right-wingers admit the Daily Show is funny -- they just say it's biased. Which it's not.

I challenge you to point out anything in that 22 minute POS that was actually true and funny. And not unintentionally so.

EDIT: Speaking of true and funny, I think that's what separates this show from Stewart and Colbert. On their shows, the funniest jokes are based on reality. Hypocrisy caught on tape. Ironic statements. Actual lies. Sure, there is some "immature" humor and fake jokes, but the shows are at their best when pointing out actual fumbles and mistakes.

HHNH, on the other hand, is completely fictional. None of the potshots it takes at the left are based in reality. Every jab and insult is made up. In short, it's not funny 'cause it's not true.

It seems that you are threatened by their humour and are critsizing it the only way you can. By saying its not funny.


Exactly. I like to criticise humour by lining conservatives up and having them shot. That's the right way to do it.

Exactly. I like to criticise humour by lining conservatives up and having them shot. That's the right way to do it.

You just gave me a great idea for a new reality show.

False. Plenty of right-wingers admit the Daily Show is funny -- they just say it's biased. Which it's not.

I challenge you to point out anything in that 22 minute POS that was actually true and funny. And not unintentionally so.
Yeah but, gah.
What I want to say is just because something isn't funny you don't have to scream "not funny not funny not funny!"
Its like you're afraid someone might actually find it funny and you want to convince them otherwise so that they stop believing in conservative things. Or something like that.

I kind of agree with New Mitanni.

It seems that you are threatened by their humour and are critsizing it the only way you can. By saying its not funny. Which is exactly the same as critics of Daily Show say about it. "Its horrible, untrue and just ..... just .... just.... :'( not funny"
Oh? Strange, I critizise a comedy show by attacking their attempt at humor, and judge them based on their lack of laughs. How utterly novel. Unheard of, really. :rolleyes:

"Their" humor should be my humor. They should be funny, that's the bleedin' point of the whole mess - but they just ain't!

Oh, and I've almost only heard critics of the daily show say "Yes, it's funny but biased / untrue".
Yeah but, gah.
What I want to say is just because something isn't funny you don't have to scream "not funny not funny not funny!"
Its like you're afraid someone might actually find it funny and you want to convince them otherwise so that they stop believing in conservative things. Or something like that.
You have to say it's not funny when someone comes along and claims that it's a great show because it "pisses off lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots". That might be so - it's wrong in this case, but nevermind that now - but that does not make it into a good comedy show. As I say, offend the living crap out of me, but for the love of Nancy Reagan, make me laugh damnit!

So we agree: It's a failure as a comedy show. Now, if they claim that it is supposed to be solely a show to piss off the "left" that's not supposed to be funny - maybe an anger show, a continuation of rants maybe - then they still have some work to do but at least they would be closer to their goal.

Quack-a-doodle-doo!

You just gave me a great idea for a new reality show.

Rejoice! We have finally found a legitimate use for this smilie: :mp5:

Oh? Strange, I critizise a comedy show by attacking their attempt at humor, and judge them based on their lack of laughs. How utterly novel. Unheard of, really. :rolleyes:

"Their" humor should be my humor. They should be funny, that's the bleedin' point of the whole mess - but they just ain't!

Oh, and I've almost only heard critics of the daily show say "Yes, it's funny but biased / untrue".

You have to say it's not funny when someone comes along and claims that it's a great show because it "pisses off lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots". That might be so - it's wrong in this case, but nevermind that now - but that does not make it into a good comedy show. As I say, offend the living crap out of me, but for the love of Nancy Reagan, make me laugh damnit!

So we agree: It's a failure as a comedy show. Now, if they claim that it is supposed to be solely a show to piss off the "left" that's not supposed to be funny - maybe an anger show, a continuation of rants maybe - then they still have some work to do but at least they would be closer to their goal.

Quack-a-doodle-doo!

Why is every one missing the YOU FEEL THREATENED part of my first post. Just like the Rights feel threatened by Daily Show's influence on voters you are trying to stop people from watching this show and possibley being swayed by it by saying "Its not funny, don't watch it."

Exactly. I like to criticise humour by lining conservatives up and having them shot. That's the right way to do it.

also has the side benefit of being hilarious

Why is every one missing the YOU FEEL THREATENED part of my first post. Just like the Rights feel threatened by Daily Show's influence on voters you are trying to stop people from watching this show and possibley being swayed by it by saying "Its not funny, don't watch it."

It's called "giving advice". Ever heard of that concept?

you are trying to stop people from watching this show and possibley being swayed by it by saying "Its not funny, don't watch it."
Dude, I made a thread calling attention to the show, then bumped it ten minutes before it came on. I watched it myself. I'm not threatened by it -- how could I be? It's not that good. I can criticize something without feeling threatened by it.

It seems to me like Fox News is edging closer and closer to openly admitting to being a right-wing propaganda machine. Case in point: The Half Hour News Hour, which will air on FNC this Sunday.

Purported to be the right-wing counterbalance to the allegedly left-wing Daily Show, this piece of tripe is nothing but a series of lame and unfunny political jabs. Horrendously lame and unfunny political jabs. So horrendously lame and unfunny that it's almost funny. Maybe that's what they were going for.

Anyway, here are some preview clips to see what I mean:

President Limbaugh and Vice President Coulter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F49e64yq8lI)

Smearing Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjIfaMwIFxU)

Promo vid: "Our show may offend the following..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3DA5lN1iwI)

Notice how all of the clips rely quite heavily on an overenthusiastic laugh track.

I got these clips from a write-up of the show (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/14/conservative-comedy-show-so-bad-its-hilarious/) from Crooks and Liars, which also happens to have a running discussion of why the show falls flat. Really interesting stuff there: lots of speculation about the nature of political humor. One idea that kept coming through was the theory that left-wing humor is all about the small making fun of the mighty, and that people like that, while the right wing variety is more about the mighty making fun of the small, which just comes off as mean-spirited. Sorta like the difference between a bucket of mud being dumped on a poor housekeeper (tragedy) vs. a rich heiress (comedy). Anyway...

Thoughts?

C'mon, liberals overuse propaganda, this is the first time I've heard of Fox being right wing propaganda.

I wonder if there's also a Five Minute Story Hour for kids on the network stations.

C'mon, liberals overuse propaganda
Care to give some examples?

this is the first time I've heard of Fox being right wing propaganda.
Say goodbye to ever being taken seriously.

Say goodbye to ever being taken seriously.

Nah, he hasn't been taken seriously since he claimed the government was spying on him through his history tests.

Why is every one missing the YOU FEEL THREATENED part of my first post. Just like the Rights feel threatened by Daily Show's influence on voters you are trying to stop people from watching this show and possibley being swayed by it by saying "Its not funny, don't watch it."

Because it's irrelevant, as I have no reason whatsoever to feel threatened by the show.

QUOTE 1Dude, I made a thread calling attention to the show, then bumped it ten minutes before it came on. I watched it myself. I'm not threatened by it -- how could I be? It's not that good. I can criticize something without feeling threatened by it.

QUOTE2 It's called "giving advice". Ever heard of that concept?


I'm just saying what it looks like.

QUOTE 1Dude, I made a thread calling attention to the show, then bumped it ten minutes before it came on. I watched it myself. I'm not threatened by it -- how could I be? It's not that good. I can criticize something without feeling threatened by it.

QUOTE2 It's called "giving advice". Ever heard of that concept?


I'm just saying what it looks like.

Well, then I think you need to get your vision checked.

Well, then I think you need to get your vision checked.

You don't look at it that way when right wing Daily Show haters say its not funny. (and they do. Or if you won't believe they do then if you pretended they did)

I'm sure I speak for plenty when I say this. Idiot.

Spot on. You do speak for plenty--plenty of lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. In fact, you were one of the ones I specifically had in mind when I set forth those three categories. :p

You don't look at it that way when right wing Daily Show haters say its not funny. (and they do. Or if you won't believe they do then if you pretended they did)
Hey, I offered a quote from the creator of the Fox show admitting the Daily Show was unbiased and funny. Also, after Colbert's appearance on the O'Reilly Factor, his conservative commentators agreed that the Colbert Report was genuinely funny.

I'd like to see you giving evidence that right-wingers think that Stewart and Colbert are not funny.

Spot on. You do speak for plenty--plenty of lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it.
Oh, how I would love to see you "dish it out". Go ahead, lay it on me. Spew whatever crap about Stewart and Colbert that you want.

Just one request: back it up with something. Don't just make random accusations of bias, unpopularity, and lack of humor. Provide proof. Point to examples. Do something.

Hey, I offered a quote from the creator of the Fox show admitting the Daily Show was unbiased and funny. Also, after Colbert's appearance on the O'Reilly Factor, his conservative commentators agreed that the Colbert Report was genuinely funny.

I'd like to see you giving evidence that right-wingers think that Stewart and Colbert are not funny.

You don't think there is a single conservative out of millions of Americans that doesn't think these shows are funny?
Sometimes I feel that the Colbert Report is a little dry, myself and I like the show/ like gays and women's rights and not shooting brown people etc.
Besides, in the hypothetical situation I mentioned what would be your conclusion?

I can see their version of "This Week in God":

"Those sick pagans are at it again." *Laugh track*

You don't think there is a single conservative out of millions of Americans that doesn't think these shows are funny?
Sometimes I feel that the Colbert Report is a little dry, myself and I like the show/ like gays and women's rights and not shooting brown people etc.
Of course there are people who say it's not funny, but, like you, they have nothing to back it up with. They say it's not funny, but can't point to any particular example that demonstrates their claim. Not once have I seen a lucid, respectable bad review of either show.

Besides, in the hypothetical situation I mentioned what would be your conclusion?

You mean this?

(and they do. Or if you won't believe they do then if you pretended they did)
I found that pretty incomprehensible.

Of course there are people who say it's not funny, but, like you, they have nothing to back it up with. They say it's not funny, but can't point to any particular example that demonstrates their claim. Not once have I seen a lucid, respectable bad review of either show.



You mean this?


I found that pretty incomprehensible.
/spit
Acting is a complicated thing. Sometimes I feel like there are low points to the show. All shows have highs and lows but I feel sometimes that the lull in the colbert report goes on just a little bit too long. Just enough so that you start wondering when something good is going to happen. The jokes are still good.I watch the show, I love Colbert almost as much as he loves himself. I hate classifying things but I'd call myself left.

Any way my Q was if a zealous R.W. person said Daily Show isn't funny why do you think they would say that?

Spot on. You do speak for plenty--plenty of lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. In fact, you were one of the ones I specifically had in mind when I set forth those three categories. :p

Your cooking is evidently poor enough that when you choose to dish it out, nobody wants any. Ditto for your sense of wit.

/spit
Acting is a complicated thing. Sometimes I feel like there are low points to the show. All shows have highs and lows but I feel sometimes that the lull in the colbert report goes on just a little bit too long. Just enough so that you start wondering when something good is going to happen. I watch the show, I love Colbert almost as much as he loves himself. I hate classifying things but I'd call myself left.
I agree with this -- all shows, no matter how good, will have their dull moments from time to time. No show is perfect. However, there is no comparison between Stewart/Colbert and the HHNH. That show at its best cannot compete with the Report on its worst day.

Any way my Q was if a zealous R.W. person said Daily Show isn't funny why do you think they would say that?
Well, I'd say that they were offended by the fact that someone dare make fun of their party, and would therefore say that the show was stuffy and offensive to downplay it's impact.

I understand that you're trying to draw parallels between a Daily Show-hating right-winger and a HHNH-hating left-winger, but it just doesn't work. Humor is a pretty subjective thing, but it's fairly obvious that Stewart and Colbert trump Fox in terms of popularity and quality. A show that only makes fun of one side with fictional jokes pales in comparison with a show that makes fun of everything with jokes that are based on real events.

"Cindy Sheehan's cross country shooting spree still fresh in our mind."

That part was actually funny, but that was it.

This show goes out and attacks democrats, while the Daily Show waits for the Republicans AND Democrats to do something stupid.

"Series of Tubes." For example.
"Obama being clean"

Fox media has based its entire sucess on having the mind set of grade school bullies by making witless jabs at their opponents. It's not funny, it's juvenile at best and it's only rotted further by wrapping everything in self righteous 'smuggotry'.

"After just two years democratic congress. America's international reputation a mess, our economy teeters on the brink of collapse."

That would funny if they held it up in comparison to what George W. and the republican congress realistically did...which so happens to be exactly what they described.

I've heard funnier dead baby jokes.

The dead baby jokes make me tickle.

Also I despise Cindy Sheehack.

"Cindy Sheehan's cross country shooting spree still fresh in our mind."

That part was actually funny, but that was it.

I've heard funnier dead baby jokes.

"Cindy Sheehan's cross country shooting spree still fresh in our mind."

That part was actually funny, but that was it.
Not even that.

This "joke" is a good example of what I was talking about earlier. It is in poor taste for one thing, making fun of a woman who lost her son in war (although I admit she's been a bit nutty since then). Also, it is completely fictional. It'd be funnier if they riffed on something that she actually did, preferrably something that indicated some hypocrisy on her part. But HHNH is apparently incapable of dealing with the truth.

I've heard funnier dead baby jokes.

What's harder to take out of the back of a truck, dead babies or bowling balls?

Bowling balls. You can pitch fork dead babies. Zing.

I'm sorry, I had to say it. On a related note, I can make better jokes than the ones on that show without any effort.

John Kerry walks into a bar. The bartender says "Why the long face?"

That's bloody gold compared to 99% of the show(And the only actual funny part probably wasn't intended to be funny in the way they thought it would be).

Your cooking is evidently poor enough that when you choose to dish it out, nobody wants any. Ditto for your sense of wit.

Gee, a leftie who doesn't like my cooking or my wit! Damn, I feel so worthless now.

Step to me, you get burned. That's the real reason, pal. :p

Your cooking is evidently poor enough that when you choose to dish it out, nobody wants any. Ditto for your sense of wit.

Step to me, you get burned. That's the real reason, pal. :p

Cough.

Oh, how I would love to see you "dish it out". Go ahead, lay it on me. Spew whatever crap about Stewart and Colbert that you want.

Gee, a leftie who doesn't like my cooking or my wit! Damn, I feel so worthless now.

Step to me, you get burned. That's the real reason, pal. :p

I find it a little amusing how you use the word leftie like it'll magically ward off criticism. Are you honestly asking to have everyone point and laugh at you?

Masochist.

Gee, a leftie who doesn't like my cooking or my wit! Damn, I feel so worthless now.

Step to me, you get burned. That's the real reason, pal. :p

*Points and laughs*

Oh, how I would love to see you "dish it out". Go ahead, lay it on me. Spew whatever crap about Stewart and Colbert that you want.

Just one request: back it up with something. Don't just make random accusations of bias, unpopularity, and lack of humor. Provide proof. Point to examples. Do something.

I have yet to "spew" anything about Stewart or Colbert. Fact is, I subjected myself to those two exactly once, found them both obnoxious, not to mention stupid and un-funny, and haven't wasted a minute of my life watching them since.

Face it, pal. You thing right-wingers are idiots and their programs are stupid. We think you left-wingers are idiots and your programs are stupid. De gustibus non disputandum.

John Kerry walks into a bar. The bartender says "Why the long face?"

That's bloody gold compared to 99% of the show
Agreed. I watched the Ann "The Man" Coulter and Rush "The Oxycodine Fiend" Limbaugh scene, and that joke was funnier than that entire skit.


Face it, pal. You thing right-wingers are idiots and their programs are stupid. We think you left-wingers are idiots and your programs are stupid.
The problem is what you think are "left-wing programs" arn't left-wing at all, you are just all so fucked up you think anything not agreeing with your opinion 110% of the time is "left-wing."

I find it a little amusing how you use the word leftie like it'll magically ward off criticism. Are you honestly asking to have everyone point and laugh at you?

Masochist.

He's trying to prove that right-wingers are funny, while completly missing the point in typically conservative fashion.

Right wingers are funny. Just not when, or how, they try to be.

I find it a little amusing how you use the word leftie like it'll magically ward off criticism.

No, I use it because it's an accurate description. Criticize all you want, bud. If it's rational, I'll respond. If it's just more mindless leftie orthodoxy, I'll ignore it, or laugh and then ignore it.

Are you honestly asking to have everyone point and laugh at you?

Masochist.

The ones doing the laughing I have no respect for to begin with, so I just laugh right back at their pretentious stupidity and arrogance. As long as I have the opportunity to keep blowing up their comfortable little leftie worlds and to make them face the fact that there are plenty of people who don't subscribe to their agenda, I don't care if they laugh themselves to death :D

No, I use it because it's an accurate description. Criticize all you want, bud. If it's rational, I'll respond. If it's just more mindless leftie orthodoxy, I'll ignore it, or laugh and then ignore it.



The ones doing the laughing I have no respect for to begin with, so I just laugh right back at their pretentious stupidity and arrogance. As long as I have the opportunity to keep blowing up their comfortable little leftie worlds and to make them face the fact that there are plenty of people who don't subscribe to their agenda, I don't care if they laugh themselves to death :D

News flash, bud. Your not blowing up anyones world. We are laughung because you are reinforcing our world, that you, pal, and people of your ilk, don't live in the real world.

So, ignore all you want bud. I'll carry on laughing :D

No, I use it because it's an accurate description. Criticize all you want, bud. If it's rational, I'll respond. If it's just more mindless leftie orthodoxy, I'll ignore it, or laugh and then ignore it.


Neither Colbert nor Stewart is a Communist, Socialist, or Anarchocommunist. Ergo, they are not left-wing.

No, I use it because it's an accurate description. Criticize all you want, bud. If it's rational, I'll respond. If it's just more mindless leftie orthodoxy, I'll ignore it, or laugh and then ignore it.



The ones doing the laughing I have no respect for to begin with, so I just laugh right back at their pretentious stupidity and arrogance. As long as I have the opportunity to keep blowing up their comfortable little leftie worlds and to make them face the fact that there are plenty of people who don't subscribe to their agenda, I don't care if they laugh themselves to death :D

Wow. I'm impressed. You actually managed to pique my interest. I didn't think you had it in you, kid.

So what exactly is "leftie orthodoxy" is it like Greek Orthodoxy? Can I not eat meat on Fridays? Or is it like "rightie orthodoxy" as in, we'll be racist bigots all we want tyvm.

I have yet to "spew" anything about Stewart or Colbert. Fact is, I subjected myself to those two exactly once, found them both obnoxious, not to mention stupid and un-funny, and haven't wasted a minute of my life watching them since.So you've seen them exactly once, and yet are still willing to call them "obnoxious", "stupid", and "unfunny"? And without pointing to anything specific, might I add.

I, for one, am going to continue watching HHNH for laughs. And I will continue insulting it -- with plenty of substance to back myself up.

Face it, pal. You thing right-wingers are idiots and their programs are stupid. We think you left-wingers are idiots and your programs are stupid.
O'Reilly contributor Jane Hall: "They're making fun of the news. They're also reaching younger audiences. And they're doing it by an ironic take on the news. And Colbert is actually genuinely funny, as is Jon Stewart."

Bill O'Reilly (to Colbert): "Now look, I just want to tell the audience that every left-wing critic in the country loves you. There are no right-wing critics."

New York Post's Linda Stasi: "Colbert's show is a takeoff on conservative TV talkers with a bunch of gasbag Dr. Phil-isms thrown in for good measure. It's a half-hour of parody"

Three quotes right there. You care to offer any?

EDIT: Also, how do you explain the fact that even right-wing pundits are bashing the Fox show?

De gustibus non disputandum.
I tremble at your Latin-quoting abilities.

Spot on. You do speak for plenty--plenty of lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. In fact, you were one of the ones I specifically had in mind when I set forth those three categories. :p

This demonstrated exactly what you don't understand about comedy. Comedy is supposed to make fun of actual flaws by calling attention to them.

It isn't comedy to say that Cindy Sheehan went on a cross country shooting spree, because nothing about her persona suggests a tendency to do that. It would be comedy (though not particularly imaginative comedy) to tell that joke about Dick Cheney (who actually has shot innocent people) or Ted Nuget (whose carefully cultivated public persona is one of barely contained lunacy and gun-mania). Telling it about Cindy Sheehan would be like making fun of Mary Cheney for being pathetically in love with Colin Farrel or making fun of George W. Bush for being a Star Trek nerd.

The only reason you reduce the situation to "dishing it out when you can't take it" is because you have no clue what "it" really is.

It is especially obvious that you have no clue when one considers that Jon Stewart frequently makes fun of Democrats and Liberals. He has mocked Cindy Sheehan for cozying up to unsympathetic political figures. As recently as two days ago he mocked Joe Biden for calling Barak Obama "clean and articulate."

Apparently, not only can we dish it out and take it, but we have to dish it out on your behalf because you (collectively) are so completly inept at the task.

Spot on. You do speak for plenty--plenty of lefties, libtards and other mouthy idiots who can dish it out but can't take it. In fact, you were one of the ones I specifically had in mind when I set forth those three categories. :p

Cool, now you can flame and use a smiley face!

Criticize all you want, bud. If it's rational, I'll respond.

No you won't. Unless of course you're starting a whole new trend now...

Bill O'Reilly (to Colbert): "Now look, I just want to tell the audience that every left-wing critic in the country loves you. There are no right-wing critics."

Hate to break this to you, pal, but O'Reilly doesn't consider himself a "right-winger". He's attacked the right on quite a few occasions.

I tremble at your Latin-quoting abilities.

No doubt as much as I tremble at your vast experience and knowledge of the world.

Neither Colbert nor Stewart is a Communist, Socialist, or Anarchocommunist. Ergo, they are not left-wing.

That may be the prevailing definition in Euro-land, but in the US context the leadership of the Democrats and a large segment of that party are left-wing. QED.

Hate to break this to you, pal, but O'Reilly doesn't consider himself a "right-winger". He's attacked the right on quite a few occasions.
1) Name one person on the right he has attacked, if and only if he didn't attack that person for agreeing with the left.

2) He consider himself a penguin for all I care. He still isn't a penguin.

That may be the prevailing definition in Euro-land, but in the US context the leadership of the Democrats and a large segment of that party are left-wing. QED.Yes. However that would make Rafsandschani a radical leftist, too, since no objective standard can be used and the Iranian one must suffice.

It would be great if these Democrats would get a little more liberal (on social issues at least) then many of them actually are. Calling many of them "left-wing" is pretty silly.Calling a liberal left-wing is always silly. Liberals are traditionally center-right.

That may be the prevailing definition in Euro-land, but in the US context the leadership of the Democrats and a large segment of that party are left-wing. QED.

It would be great if these Democrats would get a little more liberal (on social issues at least) then many of them actually are. Calling many of them "left-wing" is pretty silly.

I'm waiting for that "Re-defeat communism" Tee-shirt featuring Hillary Clinton to pop up here. That kind of ignorance always makes me smile :)

Wow. I'm impressed. You actually managed to pique my interest. I didn't think you had it in you, kid.

So what exactly is "leftie orthodoxy" is it like Greek Orthodoxy? Can I not eat meat on Fridays? Or is it like "rightie orthodoxy" as in, we'll be racist bigots all we want tyvm.

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:

Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’s
The US invaded Iraq for oil
Islam is a religion of peace
Opposition to Islam is racist
Moslems need not assimilate
Society should accommodate Moslem practices
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Multiculturalism is a good thing
Christians are ignorant and intolerant
Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public display
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marry
President Bush was selected, not elected
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the US
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are bad
Men must be made to behave more like women
Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the street
Capital punishment is bad
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born Americans
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is good
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxes
Government control of the health-care system is a good idea
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thing
Nuking Japan was a bad thing
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence
Gun ownership is bad
The NRA is bad
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock
Abortion is a fundamental right
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductive
Meat is murder
Animals have rights
Human rights are not universal
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticized
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalism

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”

Calling a liberal left-wing is always silly. Liberals are traditionally center-right.

Can't argue with that.

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:

Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’s
The US invaded Iraq for oil
Islam is a religion of peace
Opposition to Islam is racist
Moslems need not assimilate
Society should accommodate Moslem practices
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Multiculturalism is a good thing
Christians are ignorant and intolerant
Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public display
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marry
President Bush was selected, not elected
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the US
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are bad
Men must be made to behave more like women
Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the street
Capital punishment is bad
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born Americans
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is good
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxes
Government control of the health-care system is a good idea
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thing
Nuking Japan was a bad thing
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence
Gun ownership is bad
The NRA is bad
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock
Abortion is a fundamental right
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductive
Meat is murder
Animals have rights
Human rights are not universal
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticized
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalism

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”
And once again New Mitanni proves he has a massive clue deficiency.

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:

Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’s
The US invaded Iraq for oil
Islam is a religion of peace
Opposition to Islam is racist
Moslems need not assimilate
Society should accommodate Moslem practices
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Multiculturalism is a good thing
Christians are ignorant and intolerant
Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public display
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marry
President Bush was selected, not elected
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the US
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are bad
Men must be made to behave more like women
Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the street
Capital punishment is bad
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born Americans
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is good
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxes
Government control of the health-care system is a good idea
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thing
Nuking Japan was a bad thing
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence
Gun ownership is bad
The NRA is bad
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock
Abortion is a fundamental right
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductive
Meat is murder
Animals have rights
Human rights are not universal
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticized
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalism

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”

lol i like the list. agreed with probably the majority of them in fact :)

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"?
*snip*

*Yawn*

So... Anyone claiming to hold any of these positions - that you've just pulled out of thin air - is automatically a "leftie" in your books? Oh my...

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:

Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’s
The US invaded Iraq for oil
Islam is a religion of peace
Opposition to Islam is racist
Moslems need not assimilate
Society should accommodate Moslem practices
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Multiculturalism is a good thing
Christians are ignorant and intolerant
Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public display
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marry
President Bush was selected, not elected
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the US
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are bad
Men must be made to behave more like women
Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the street
Capital punishment is bad
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born Americans
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is good
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxes
Government control of the health-care system is a good idea
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thing
Nuking Japan was a bad thing
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence
Gun ownership is bad
The NRA is bad
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock
Abortion is a fundamental right
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductive
Meat is murder
Animals have rights
Human rights are not universal
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticized
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalism

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”

I don't see what is wrong with a good half of that list.

lol i like the list. agreed with probably the majority of them in fact :)

But you are a leftie! A hippie European (European = hippie anyway, so that went without saying) , who has probably seen the ankle of his girlfriend without even having married her! :eek:

I'm waiting for that "Re-defeat communism" Tee-shirt featuring Hillary Clinton to pop up here. That kind of ignorance always makes me smile :)

This one? (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-small-reaganplaingr.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html&h=94&w=100&sz=3&hl=en&start=22&tbnid=mT5Jf0Yrh_QSnM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHillary%2BClinton%2BChe%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN) :D


I agree, it is ignorant. More like "retarded," actually.

This one? (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-small-reaganplaingr.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html&h=94&w=100&sz=3&hl=en&start=22&tbnid=mT5Jf0Yrh_QSnM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHillary%2BClinton%2BChe%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN) :D


I agree, it is ignorant. More like "retarded," actually.

*refuses to click the link*

It's probably the right one, but my intelligence has been drained enough for one day thank you, so I'll take your word for it :p

And once again New Mitanni proves he has a massive clue deficiency.

According to his list, virtually every person I know - including some who lean pretty far to the right - is a lefty! :eek:

This one? (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-small-reaganplaingr.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html&h=94&w=100&sz=3&hl=en&start=22&tbnid=mT5Jf0Yrh_QSnM:&tbnh=77&tbnw=82&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHillary%2BClinton%2BChe%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN) :D


I agree, it is ignorant. More like "retarded," actually.

If one is going to attack a set of political beliefs, much better to do it using a moving picture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELfiVTTb5Jw) than a simple still one. :D

I don't know why I'm bothering--must be because I'd rather not grade essays--but I'm going to group and translate New Mitanni's list of the so-called leftie orthodoxy:
Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’s
President Bush was selected, not electedThe above group can be best described as "factual statements that can be empirically proven, and New Mitanni still refuses to believe them for some unknown reason.

The US invaded Iraq for oilThis one is similar to the above, but is a bit more subjective. Oil may not have been the predominant reason, but it certainly factored into the equation--not that that should be a surprise. All wars, to a greater or lesser extent, are about resources.

Islam is a religion of peace
Opposition to Islam is racist
Moslems need not assimilate
Society should accommodate Moslem practices
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductive
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is goodThis group falls under the heading of "I'm a racist, but that's unacceptable to too many people, so this is my feeble attempt at a preemptive strike." Certainly there are individuals on the left who believe some of the things in this section, but it's certainly not what you could call an orthodoxy, and most of the statements are ridiculous.

Christians are ignorant and intolerant
Men must be made to behave more like women
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born Americans
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are bad
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”
Gun ownership is bad
The NRA is bad
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thing
Nuking Japan was a bad thing
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticized This is what we call "things I heard Rush Limbaugh say once."

Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public display
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the US
"Things I wish the left believed because it would be easier to make fun of them."
Capital punishment is bad
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxes
Government control of the health-care system is a good idea
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock
Abortion is a fundamental right
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marry
Multiculturalism is a good thing
These are statements which could fit into the realm of "lots of left-leaning people agree with one or more of them." I would certainly support some version of each of these statements.

Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the streetI don't think Republicans want to do these things necessarily, but their policies certainly make this happen from time to time.

Meat is murder
Animals have rights
Human rights are not universal
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalism

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”
And this shows, as I said above, that New Mitanni has a serious clue deficiency. Thank you for your time and attention.

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:Let's see...

Man-made global warming is proven beyond dispute.You could ask Richard Cizik, a self-described "Reagan Movement Conservative". He's the head of the National Association of Evangelicals and not liberal, let alone leftist.
President Bush lied about Iraq’s WMD’sPerhaps not. He did mislead and was dishonest about it.
The US invaded Iraq for oilYou don't hear that one that often anymore. For something that orthodox, support for that has shrunk tremendously.
Islam is a religion of peaceNo, that's not true. A lot of right-wingers prominently tout the line that Islam is the "so-called religion of peace" while recanting something not so peaceful committed by a minority. Calling that bullshit isn't the same as actually stating that Islam is a religion of peace.
Opposition to Islam is racistIrrational opposition is probably racist, yeah.
Moslems need not assimilateNope. Muslims don't need to become WASPs, they need to learn to accept differences and not push their cultural values on those that don't want them, if they don't do so already.
Society should accommodate Moslem practicesInsofar as its accomodating other belief systems, yes.
Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racistName someone that said that.
Anyone position to the right of center is racistNo one says that. Although it is possible that your "center" is skewed so far to the right that you consider certain racists slightly right from center.
American society is racistName someone that says that.
Multiculturalism is a good thingProve it wrong.
Christians are ignorant and intolerantHardly a tenet of leftism. Plenty of leftists are Christians themselves.
Expressions of Christian belief must be removed from public displayPeople are actually lobbying to remodel churches into neutral architecture or to remove those billboard signs? Oh, wait, you must have confused "public display" with "public display by a government institution".
“Happy Holidays”, not “Merry Christmas”I say "Merry Christmas" and I don't consider myself centrist Liberal.
Sexual deviants have a “right” to marryI seriously doubt that you would limit "sexual deviancy" to homosexuality, so you're probably not opposed to sexual devants marrying in the first place.
President Bush was selected, not electedThe recount was stopped. We'll never know...
Illegal aliens should be allowed to remain in the USBush is also in favor of an amnesty and he isn't a liberal.
Characteristically male behaviors and interests are badStrawman.
Men must be made to behave more like womenStrawman.
Republicans want to starve children, pollute the environment and throw granny out on the streetStrawman.
Capital punishment is badThis isn't limited to the left. In case you haven't noticed, there is no death penalty in EU countries, and those countries had conservative governments with plenty of time to prevent or abolish the removal of capital punishment.
People have a right not to be “offended”–unless they’re white male native-born AmericansThere's no such thing as a white male native-born American.
Legalized discrimination against white male native-born Americans is goodStrawman.
“The rich” don’t pay enough taxesMaybe they don't.
Government control of the health-care system is a good ideaWould you rather put it in the hands of people that are judged on how well they make money rather than how they make money?
Columbus’ discovery of America was a bad thingName someone that said that. And make sure it wasn't someone of Native American origin.
Nuking Japan was a bad thingThat's debated, and hardly something universally accepted along ideological lines.
Rewarding high achievement in schools damages low-achievers’ “self-esteem”That's a conservative value, if indeed president Bush represents conservatives.
Co-operative learning should be encouraged instead of individual scholastic excellence Strawman.
Gun ownership is badPerhaps it is.
The NRA is badStrawman.
There’s nothing wrong with having children out of wedlockThat's still an issue?
Abortion is a fundamental rightGiuliani agrees, and he isn't a leftist.
Government should take money from the productive and subsidize the unproductiveNot really. A reduction of subsidies for coal and oil industries is a tenet of leftist belief.
Meat is murderEquating leftism and liberalism is stupid. Equating leftism and vegetarianism is braindead.
Animals have rightsMore of a Green than liberal or leftist tenet of faith.
Human rights are not universalOn the contrary. The debate which human rights is probably what makes you think so.
Western “imperialism” is bad, but non-Western imperialism can’t be criticizedIt's harder to influence a foreign government than your own if you aren't the CEO of an influential company.
Socialism is superior to free-enterprise capitalismCertain parts of the leftist movement believe that, others don't.

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”:rolleyes:

That list is a collection of stereotypes, exaggerations, and the occasional truth. But in the end, it shows you to be rather ignorant of what leftism or liberalism are.

*Yawn*

So... Anyone claiming to hold any of these positions - that you've just pulled out of thin air - is automatically a "leftie" in your books? Oh my...It makes it easier for him to consider himself "center-right" if George W. Bush, Bill O'Reilly, Rudy Giuliani, and many conservative European governments since about 1945 are "leftist".

And my personal favorite:
Only lefties have “consciences”
After reading all the bullshit I might have to adopt that opinion because how could you have a conscience and spout off some intellectually dishonest crap?

After reading all the bullshit I might have to adopt that opinion because how could you have a conscience and spout off some intellectually dishonest crap?Don't. New Mitanni isn't representative of right-wingers.

Don't. New Mitanni isn't representative of right-wingers.

I'm sure liberals are breathing a sigh of relief.

You want examples of "leftie orthodoxy"? Here's a few for you:

Disagreement with any position advocated by civil-rights organizations is racist
Anyone position to the right of center is racist
American society is racist
Multiculturalism is a good thing
Assuming that New Mitanni disagrees with everything on this list, how do the above four (and consecutive) items jibe? How can you simultaneously think that multiculturalism is bad and not be a racist?

New Mitty = Bizzaro Fass and vice versa?

Either way I won't listen to something that will give up as much ground as a fence post that's anchored all the way through the core of the planet.

New Mitty = Bizzaro Fass and vice versa?

Either way I won't listen to something that will give up as much ground as a fence post that's anchored all the way through the core of the planet.

Apparently, it got good ratings, so they're not worried if you don't watch it.

What is the obsession with people being puppets around here?

Apparently, it got good ratings, so they're not worried if you don't watch it.


It got terrible reviews and the promo was one of the most painfully unfunny things I've ever seen. I'm not going anywhere near it, and somehow I don't think it's slated to beat out the Daily Show for ratings or market share.

Apparently, it got good ratings, so they're not worried if you don't watch it.

It's salvagable with enough good writters, but the moronic attacks were old after Ann Coulter's "How to Talk to a Liberal: if you must."

What is the obsession with people being puppets around here?

We have experienced people hiding behind puppet nations in the past. I will reserve judgment with you, until I get some proof (like a mod telling me its a fact) about your possible connections with DK.

And once again New Mitanni proves he has a massive clue deficiency.

Unfortunatly he and his ilk are ideologically incapable of ever organizing a public awareness group to bring attention to the tragedy of Clue Deficiency Disorder.

It's rather like the pro-marijuana movement not being able to organize.

That may be the prevailing definition in Euro-land, but in the US context the leadership of the Democrats and a large segment of that party are left-wing. QED.

As you have not demonstrated your claim to be the case, QED is used incorrectly.

As you have not demonstrated your claim to be the case, QED is used incorrectly.NM appears to be one of those people who thinks that using cool Latin phrases somehow strengthens their argument. :rolleyes:

NM appears to be one of those people who thinks that using cool Latin phrases somehow strengthens their argument. :rolleyes:

It goes something like this: "I do not understand the phrase; therefore, no one understands it. As a result, I can use the phrase and be certain that no one will call me on it."