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All rise! *sits down and whacks gavel* I call this session of the NS General Seante to order!

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The following are members of the Senate and their represented place:

Senate President: Sel Appa
Senate Vice-President: Vetalia

Colorado-Kyronea
England-Pure Metal
Fiji-Dzanjir
Florida-Chandelier
Georgia-Vittos the City Sacker
Iowa-Zarakon
Massachusettes-Johnny B Goode
New Jersey-Sel Appa
New York-H N Fiddlebottoms VIII(nominated)
New York City-N Y C
Northern Ireland-Nadkor
Ohio-Andaluciae
Pennsylvania-Jello Biafra
Poland-Swilatia
Tehran-Neo Kervoskia
Texas-A calendar with kitten pictures(replaced Greill)
Toronto-Kryozerkia
Washington-The blessed Chris


A simple majority is needed to pass all proposals and resolutions, unless legislated higher(eg. 2/3). A proposal is binding. A resolution is non-binding.

Passed Laws:
Proposal 1-Sel Appa

IN ORDER to preserve the limited sanity, safety, and awesomeness of NS General, the Senate hereby
CONDEMNS the New British Choose Your Own Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party, and
RESOLVES to bring about the complete and utter destruction and/or dissolution of said party.

YEA-7 (Sel Appa, Vetalia, H N Fiddlebottoms VIII, Kryozerkia, Swilatia, Kyronea, N Y C)
NAY-3 (Nadkor, Chandelier, Jello Biafra)
ABS-0 ()
PASSED

Proposal 3-Kyronea

A Resolution For The Advancement of the Senate:

NOTING that a Senate must require rules, guidelines, and protocols.

UNDERSTANDING that such a framework is essential to any true Senetorial function.

REALIZING that a body of the Senate must take the time to create such a framework.

PROPOSES that the Senate form a committee to create such a framework.


YEA-4 (Kyronea, Vetalia, Sel Appa, N Y C)
NAY-0 ()
ABS-0 ()
PASSED
Proposal 8-Sel Appa

All proposals shall be up for vote for seven (7) days. Proposals may be fast-tracked in an emergency for three (3) days. The sponsor of a proposal may file for a fast-tracking of a seven-day proposal to five (5) days, if the proposal has been on the floor for less than four (4) days. Also, the sponsor of a proposal may file for a full fast-tracking of a seven-day proposal to three (3) days, if the proposal has been on the floor for less than one (1) day.

Resolutions may be up for vote for any amount of days up to 7, at the discretion of its sponsor.

Any proposal or resolution may be withdrawn by its sponsor. It will be erased from records, with the exception of its identification number.

This resolution is fast-tracked to three (3) days.


YEA-4 (Sel Appa, Kryozerkia, Vetalia, N Y C)
NAY-0 ()
ABS-0 ()
PASSED



Proposal 4

We hereby propose that in the interests of the proletariats and the plebeians that we abolish the current sitting NSG Parliament, as they are being tainted with the disease that is that damn Pogo Stick party.


YEA-1 (Kryozerkia)
NAY-2 (Kyronea, Vetalia, Sel Appa)
ABS-1 (N Y C)
Voting ends 26 February 2007 at 1235EST.

Proposal 6:

The NSG Senate shall cease all spam attacks against the NBCyIPsW under penalty of removal from office and loss of suffrage. In turn, the NBCyIPsW shall cease its own attacks on the Senate.


YEA-3 (Vetalia, Sel Appa, N Y C)
NAY-1 (Swilatia)
ABS-0 ()
Voting ends 26 February 2007 at 1756EST.

Proposal 7:

The NSG Senate shall elect a new leader, the Presiding Officer of the Senate, to negotiate relations between the two parties, and who shall have the power, along with the other members of its leadership, to enforce binding agreements between the NBCyIPsW and the Senate, as well as the resolutions passed by the larger body.

The NSG Senate shall elect a president and vice-president. The job of president and vice-president is to lead the Senate, keep order, and negotiate with non-Senate parties. Any Senator may announce their candidacy within five (5) days of the pasing of this proposal. Once this time has elapsed, an election will be held. Both offices are elected by plurality. The winner of the election is president, and the runner-up is vice-president. A minimum of three candidates is needed for an election to be held.


YEA-2 (Vetalia, Sel Appa)
NAY-2 (Swilatia, N Y C)
ABS-0 ()
Voting ends 26 February 2007 at 1756EST.

The NSG Council for Free Trade supports this resolution. We see this as an unacceptable risk to our interests and the interests of the trading partners this organization represents.

And yes, I, Proconsul Vetalia, am the only member.

The NSG Council for Free Trade supports this resolution. We see this as an unacceptable risk to our interests and the interests of the trading partners this organization represents.

And yes, I, Proconsul Vetalia, am the only member.
I, H N Fiddlebottoms VIII, concur with this thing that this person is saying.

I, H N Fiddlebottoms VIII, concur with this thing that this person is saying.

Excellent. The NSG-CFT is pleased by your support on this issue.

NAY on Resolution 1.

*bursts into Senate offices with a guard of redcoats*

This blatant assault on our party will not stand!

To the legislation mobile!

*bursts into Senate offices with a guard of redcoats*

This blatant assault on our party will not stand!

To the legislation mobile!
sorry, but your redcoats are not mods, thus cannot destroy this thread. anyway, I vote FOR resolution 1.

sorry, but your redcoats are not mods, thus cannot destroy this thread. anyway, I vote FOR resolution 1.

Your senate isn't a mod and can't do anything to harm our Most Glorious Emparh.

All rise! *sits down and whacks gavel* I call this session of the NS General Seante to order!

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The following are members of the Senate and their represented place:


As our first order of business I enter the following resolution:

I hope you don't mind this here, but I wish to submit my application for Senator for Italy at this time. *submits app*

Also, I support the resolution.

Your senate isn't a mod and can't do anything to harm our Most Glorious Emparh.
there is a difference between a thread and a corrupt political party.

there is a difference between a thread and a corrupt political party.

It amuses me that you continue to imply that we're corrupt. Why do you think this? Do you have anything even vaguely resembling evidence of corruption? Or are you just sore that you picked the wrong side when we merged with the Pogo Stick Party?

I just noticed, your resolution is against the "New British Choose your own Imperial Pogo Stick Party", not the New British Choose Your Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party.

I mock the inability of the senate to attack the right party, and declare it to be made of fail.

I don't know what this is, so I'm going to throw disorder around in the court.

*knocks over a stack of papers*

*picks up stacks of papers*

why do you want New British Choose your own Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party to be destroyed?

*picks up stacks of papers*

why do you want New British Choose your own Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party to be destroyed?

Because it doesn't exist, presumably. And something which doesn't exist shouldn't exist.

*nods*

Because it doesn't exist, presumably. And something which doesn't exist shouldn't exist.

*nods*

Unless it exists beginning at the exact moment in which came to be in existance. I feel strongly that we should allow for that.

Yeay!

why does quantum physics and politics always seem to colide here? :rolleyes:


well what would happen if someone made it exist?

That is a question that can only be answered once the argument surrounding free will is resolved.

hmmm quite a quandry there

Aye, Cap'n.

That is a question that can only be answered once the argument surrounding free will is resolved.

hmmm quite a quandry there

y'arrrr thar be time-warps :p

*sets speed to 88*

Not only does the party in question make no sense, but the acronym gives me a dreadful headache, so, I vote 'Yay' and support this legislation full heartedly.

y'arrrr thar be time-warps :p

On NS General something can exist before it began existing. It is why I keep coming back for the magic.

no wonder theres like 13 million threads on here...

On NS General something can exist before it began existing. It is why I keep coming back for the magic.

They're like the underpant gnomes...

1 - time warp
2 - ????
3 - POSTS!!

umm... it's called the New British Choose your Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party, not the New British Choose your own Imperial Pogo Stick Party.

umm... it's called the New British Choose your Imperial Pogo Stick Wisely Party, not the New British Choose your own Imperial Pogo Stick Party.

Page 1 called, they want their post back.

Page 1 called, they want their post back.

I don't get it.

Page 1 called, they want their post back.

The 90's called. They want their joke back....:p

I don't get it.
Put simply, I said that on page one.
The 90's called. They want their joke back....:p

:D

I vote NAY on the first resolution.

I vote NAY on the first resolution.

and thats because?

and thats because?

It seems pretty pointless...what's the point?

if im allowed to even do this...I ABSTAIN

of course you are. What's a vote without people abstaining? Also, OMG! Time Warp!

if im even allowed to do this....I Abstain

*Cookesland dissapers in flash of smoke and a wizened old pirate appears*

y'arrrr thar be time warps in these waters mateys

*Cookesland appears back*

you know, I'm changing my vote to an abstain, until the party name there is fixed to New British Choose your Imperial pogo stick Wisely Party.

you know, I'm changing my vote to an abstain, until the party name there is fixed to New British Choose your Imperial pogo stick Wisely Party.

too late, you already wasted your vote.

I don't even know if I can vote, but this is idiotic, haven't you ever heard "live and let live"? what did we ever do to you guys?

too late, you already wasted your vote.

I don't even know if I can vote, but this is idiotic, haven't you ever heard "live and let live"? what did we ever do to you guys?
Because my constituency feels very strongly about this thing that I have agreed with this other person about, that's why.

you know, I'm changing my vote to an abstain, until the party name there is fixed to New British Choose your Imperial pogo stick Wisely Party.
Considering Senate lacks any procedural guidelines, you might not be allowed to do that.
too late, you already wasted your vote.

I don't even know if I can vote, but this is idiotic, haven't you ever heard "live and let live"? what did we ever do to you guys?
We beat his off-shoot party in the elections.

We beat his off-shoot party in the elections.
oh, so he is mad because we are better....well, that makes sense. :D

All rise! *sits down and whacks gavel* I call this session of the NS General Seante to order!

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The following are members of the Senate and their represented place:


As our first order of business I enter the following resolution:

Other than the ridiculous mangling of the NBCyIPsW party's name, which has already been pointed out by several people worthier than myself, I also would suggest that this so-called 'Senate' be disbanded immediately.
Though the NBCyIPsW party have officially condemned this organisation which, I might add, goes against all NSG tradition, at least we have not put to the vote any clearly discriminatory legislature and actually stated that we would officially attempt the Senate's destruction, both of which the Senate has done with the target being the NBCyIPsW party.
We thus show ourselves to be morally superior and, judging by our grasp of the English language as compared to Sel Appa's own, intellectually superior too.

*harrumphs*

By officially putting forward a bill to discriminate against the NBCyIPsW party this 'Senate' has also shown itself to be against the two of the most integral aspects of democracy: free speech and the right of any political party to exist.

Senators, I ask you: who has been shown to be more mature? This 'Senate' with two such persons as Swilatia and Londim in, who have consistently shown themselves to be quite infantile in behaviour and immature, or the NBCyIPsW party, whcih has acted in a much more gracious manner than this Senate?
It is your decision.

Ilaer

Because my constituency feels very strongly about this thing that I have agreed with this other person about, that's why.

Excellent. And there was absolutely no coercion on the part of the CFT. None at all.

We thus show ourselves to be morally superior and, judging by our grasp of the English language as compared to Sel Appa's own, intellectually superior too.

*harrumphs*

This 'Senate' with two such persons as Swilatia and Londim in, who have consistently shown themselves to be quite infantile in behaviour and immature, or the NBCyIPsW party, whcih has acted in a much more gracious manner than this Senate?
It is your decision.
*Harrumphs right back*

By officially putting forward a bill to discriminate against the NBCyIPsW party this 'Senate' has also shown itself to be against the two of the most integral aspects of democracy: free speech and the right of any political party to exist.
And by your criminal attempts to disband this governing body before it passes even one resolution, you reveal yourselves as anti-Democratic in nature.
And I further state, that any party that embraces the pogo stick stands in defiance of both man and nature. As we all well know, when something comes down, it is supposed to stay down, not immediately spring back up into the air. If we don't move promptly to stop this madness and heresy from interfering with the administering of sound governance, then we can not truly be considered servants of them what voted for us. What are they called?
It's something with an "-er" on the end . . . Something-er, something-er.
Oh, yeah, suckers, that's the word.

*Harrumphs right back*


And by your criminal attempts to disband this governing body before it passes even one resolution, you reveal yourselves as anti-Democratic in nature.
And I further state, that any party that embraces the pogo stick stands in defiance of both man and nature. As we all well know, when something comes down, it is supposed to stay down, not immediately spring back up into the air. If we don't move promptly to stop this madness and heresy from interfering with the administering of sound governance, then we can not truly be considered servants of them what voted for us. What are they called?
It's something with an "-er" on the end . . . Something-er, something-er.
Oh, yeah, suckers, that's the word.

Oh my. I made one typing error. What a pity.

In response to your second point, we disagree with your attempts to overthrow the tradition that is NSG Parliament with this disgusting Senate.
It matters not now, however, for as you have in effect declared war against the NBCyIPsW party, we shall retaliate.
It is now open hostilities.
You shall be receiving our declaration of war shortly.

Ilaer

Edit: In any case, you have not answered the rest of my post. Obviously you are not completely convinced of the Senate's legality and thus cannot bring yourself to defend it properly; the NBCyIPsW party always has a place for those who renounce the cause of evil. I suggest you consider our offer.

Oh my. I made one typing error. What a pity.
Surely your mother made you aware of the architectural and zoning implications of living in a glass house in regards the throwing of stones?

It is now open hostilities.
You shall be receiving our declaration of war shortly.
Woah there, this is getting dangerously like the sort of thing those emo-kids in the RP forums do.

I apologize for entering the incorrect name, but that just shows how corrupt an evil it is that their name cannot even be readily remembered. Regardless, the name has been rectified.

Votes are being tallied.


Proposal 2

IN ORDER to allow the addition of more Senators between election, the Senate
CREATES the office of Senator Apparent.

The Senator Apparent shall have the right to vote, however their vote will not be counted to break a tied vote or to make a tied vote.

YEA-1
NAY-0
ABS-0
Voting Concludes one week from this posting.

Swil, you want to write up guidelines and procedures?

And by your criminal attempts to disband this governing body before it passes even one resolution, you reveal yourselves as anti-Democratic in nature.
And I further state, that any party that embraces the pogo stick stands in defiance of both man and nature. As we all well know, when something comes down, it is supposed to stay down, not immediately spring back up into the air. If we don't move promptly to stop this madness and heresy from interfering with the administering of sound governance, then we can not truly be considered servants of them what voted for us. What are they called?
It's something with an "-er" on the end . . . Something-er, something-er.
Oh, yeah, suckers, that's the word.
You call this a governing body sah? it's first act, before even attempting to establish its own procedural rules and guidelines, was to attack a legitimate, fair and democratic political party for no good reason that I can fathom. The main instigators of this assault, Swilatia and Sel Appa, do nothing to explain their actions other than to make baseless accusations of corruption! It is a disgrace to the very word "democracy", wot.
I apologize for entering the incorrect name, but that just shows how corrupt an evil it is that their name cannot even be readily remembered. Regardless, the name has been rectified.

Votes are being tallied.



Swil, you want to write up guidelines and procedures?

And you call us corrupt sah? No mention of the rest of the senate approving these guidelines and procedures. No mention of them even being so much as consulted. Bloody shameful, wot. Bloody shameful. Tarnishing the good name of politicians everywhere.

Proposal 3

Ifreann is a Communist.

YEA-1
YEA-0

;)

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I vote yea on the first resolution, and nay on the second.

I must also condemn the activities of Ifreann and move that he be disbarred from the Senate chambers.

I vote yea on the first resolution, and nay on the second.

I must also condemn the activities of Ifreann and move that he be disbarred from the Senate chambers.

How dare you condemn the great leader of the NBCyIPsW party!
Dishonour upon you!

Ilaer

I vote yea on the first resolution, and nay on the second.

I must also condemn the activities of Ifreann and move that he be disbarred from the Senate chambers.
*writes "Civil Disobedience" on his ass and moons the senate*
How dare you condemn the great leader of the NBCyIPsW party!
Dishonour upon you!

Ilaer

I'm the what now?

*writes "Civil Disobedience" on his ass and moons the senate*


I'm the what now?

Well, no-one else is going to lead us, and Philosophy disappeared off the face of NSG.
I hereby declare you Party Leader for life.
:)

Ilaer

Well, no-one else is going to lead us, and Philosophy disappeared off the face of NSG.
I hereby declare you Party Leader for life.
:)

Ilaer

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
But....you can't do that.....

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
But....you can't do that.....

Are you arguing with being put in a position of power?

Ilaer

Are you arguing with being put in a position of power?

Ilaer

Yes. We'll have an election for the new CYPSW Leader soon-ish.

Yes. We'll have an election for the new CYPSW Leader soon-ish.

You know you want to take power without an election.

You know you want to take power without an election.

?
Are you referring to the honourable gentleman Ifreann and saying that he wishes to take control of the NBCyIPsW party without an election, or are you referring to the glorious NBCyIPsW party and saying that it wishes to take control of Parliament?
Either would be incorrect and, indeed, could be constituted as slander.
Never accuse our party or a member of our party of being dishonourable; we are British gentlemen and as such we are the epitome of both courtesy and honour.

Ilaer

You know you want to take power without an election.

Of course not. I'll only accept the role of CYPSW Leader if the party democratically decides that I'm best suited for the role.

Proposal 1: Nay. The NBwhatever is relatively harmless.
Proposal 2: Nay. This position seems pointless. It is apparent that the Senator Apparent's vote doesn't matter. I would support an amendment that says that the Senator may vote to break a tie, or vote to create one, but not one that says s/he can't do either.
Proposal 3: If Ifreann's a communist, he's in the wrong party.

Of course not. I'll only accept the role of CYPSW Leader if the party democratically decides that I'm best suited for the role.

Can I be in charge of the electronic voting machines?

I promise that you'll win.

Can I be in charge of the electronic voting machines?

I promise that you'll win.

Nah. We'll be voting telepathically.

Proposal 1: Nay. The NBwhatever is relatively harmless.
Proposal 2: Nay. This position seems pointless. It is apparent that the Senator Apparent's vote doesn't matter. I would support an amendment that says that the Senator may vote to break a tie, or vote to create one, but not one that says s/he can't do either.
Proposal 3: If Ifreann's a communist, he's in the wrong party.

For once I agree with Jello Biafra, and on all points too. Though he may be an infidel when it comes to the 'Devil's Tongue' (*shudders*) he's an honourable gentleman and one with some common sense as well.

I note you still have me sigged, Jello Biafra. :p Don't you think you could do better for a siqnature quote than me?

Ilaer

Nah. We'll be voting telepathically.

What about pyrotelekinetically?

What about pyrotelekinetically?

I dunno, my eyebrowns haven't grown back from the last time I was involved in a pyrotelekinetic election.

?
Are you referring to the honourable gentleman Ifreann and saying that he wishes to take control of the NBCyIPsW party without an election, or are you referring to the glorious NBCyIPsW party and saying that it wishes to take control of Parliament?
Either would be incorrect and, indeed, could be constituted as slander.
Never accuse our party or a member of our party of being dishonourable; we are British gentlemen and as such we are the epitome of both courtesy and honour.

Ilaer

Ifreann knows he wants to rule it without an election.

Proposal 1: Nay. The NBwhatever is relatively harmless.
Proposal 2: Nay. This position seems pointless. It is apparent that the Senator Apparent's vote doesn't matter. I would support an amendment that says that the Senator may vote to break a tie, or vote to create one, but not one that says s/he can't do either.
Proposal 3: If Ifreann's a communist, he's in the wrong party.

Noted and you are allowed to propose your own stuff. :)

Having been a long-standing enemy to the Emparh for its perpetuation of the antiquities which have slowed Man for so long, but however not wanting to become a part of something which perpetuates the same in the name of destroying that with which it runs, I feel I can input.

To the NBwhosawhatsaparty- Your fusions have made a monopoly effect on the elections. And the last thing we need is for the parties to all fuse, rendering parliamentary elections pointless.

To the Senators- Though I see merit in breaking down the monopoly party, there are several flaws in your own ways. First, you have no guidelines set up, yet you go after the British Monopolyists, leaving any actual interior management to one man. Sounds a bit familiar... *cough* Roman Empire, Nazi Germany, the Galactic Empire (:P) *COUGH COUGH*

Also, you are the Senate, an entity entirely separate from the Parliament. Your jurisdiction ended way before now.


So, here's what I have to say:

Res 1- NO, as stated above
Res 2- NO, b/c the Apparents get little (if any) actual power
Res 3- Don't insult the communists. Desiring a peaceful, libertarian lifestyle with near economic equality for all is no goal to be ashamed of. Or ridiculed.
(Though I do wonder if it could ever happen... and doubt it.)

A Resolution For The Advancement of the Senate:

NOTING that a Senate must require rules, guidelines, and protocols.

UNDERSTANDING that such a framework is essential to any true Senetorial function.

REALIZING that a body of the Senate must take the time to create such a framework.

PROPOSES that the Senate form a committee to create such a framework.

Voting to end one week from this posting, presuming the Senate agrees with such an end date.

Proposal 2 - Yea
Proposal 3 - Nay

A Resolution For The Advancement of the Senate:

Voting to end one week from this posting, presuming the Senate agrees with such an end date.

The NSG-CFT supports this resolution. We suggest that the Senate move towards a legislative model so as to make it both functional and a viable alternative to the NSG Parliament.

I would like to add that I support Resolution 2, and move that the resolution be amended to include Senatorial rank for representatives from NSG organizations. The Senator Apparent for these organizations will be initially chosen by the Senate, with the following elections being held freely with the purpose of elevating the SA to full Senator status.

I dunno, my eyebrowns haven't grown back from the last time I was involved in a pyrotelekinetic election.

I like my elections like I like my women and coffee. Heated by my mind.

Having been a long-standing enemy to the Emparh for its perpetuation of the antiquities which have slowed Man for so long, but however not wanting to become a part of something which perpetuates the same in the name of destroying that with which it runs, I feel I can input.

To the NBwhosawhatsaparty- Your fusions have made a monopoly effect on the elections. And the last thing we need is for the parties to all fuse, rendering parliamentary elections pointless.)

Ah but all parties aren't going to fuse, nor would we be in favour of such silliness.

Proposal 2 - against.

Ah but all parties aren't going to fuse, nor would we be in favour of such silliness.

Still, party fusion is the first step toward fascism.

And everyone knows the first step is the hardest.

Still, party fusion is the first step toward fascism.

And everyone knows the first step is the hardest.

indeed. And calling all opposition "infantile" is the second. Thus, they are making their move toward it quite quickly now, and must be stopped.

indeed. And calling all opposition "infantile" is the second. Thus, they are making their move toward it quite quickly now, and must be stopped.

Chill for a sec.

All that needs to be done is for them to diffuse a bit (seeing how imperialism is insulted by pogo sticks and spam cars anyway).

Nay for both proposals.

Chill for a sec.

All that needs to be done is for them to diffuse a bit (seeing how imperialism is insulted by pogo sticks and spam cars anyway).
I don't understand your post.

I support Kyronea's proposal and have updated all votes. To those who aren't senators, please refrain from making votes. You may comment on them however.

Still, party fusion is the first step toward fascism.

And everyone knows the first step is the hardest.
The fusion of two similar humourous parties? If two of the communist parties merged would you accuse them of fascism?
indeed. And calling all opposition "infantile" is the second. Thus, they are making their move toward it quite quickly now, and must be stopped.

I defy you to point out where we called all opposition infantile.

The fusion of two similar humourous parties? If two of the communist parties merged would you accuse them of fascism?
going with that stupid one-dimensional political spectrum?
I defy you to point out where we called all opposition infantile.
you know where you did it. Don't deny it.

going with that stupid one-dimensional political spectrum?
I think communist parties are the only type we hve more than one of. Though we might have more than one liberal party.

you know where you did it. Don't deny it.

Ah, so this is a totally baseless accusation with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

Still, party fusion is the first step toward fascism.

And everyone knows the first step is the hardest.

It was, and never will be a fascist party.

.. but maybe just a tad bit totalitarianistic.

Commenting on the most recent Senate Proposals

i like proposal #2 but #3 im not so sure about

Proposal #4

We hereby propose that in the interests of the proletariats and the plebeians that we abolish the current sitting NSG Parliament, as they are being tainted with the disease that is that damn Pogo Stick party.

Yea - 1
Nay - 0

Proposal #4

Nay.

Proposal #4

Abstain. We don't really have that jurisdiction.

This Senate is ridiculous; it has four or so separate proposals being put to the vote and yet no complete list detailing them somewhere conspicuous (presently they are spread out loosely amongst the posts, making it impossible to find out what some proposals are!); it still has no codified structure or means of going about things and it seems to have no real way of going about debate; compare this thread and the thread for the Bill to Improve English, for example!
(A link shall be posted soon for comparison purposes; until then you must suffer a search.)
Furthermore, your proposals seem to mainly concern your hatred for the NBCyIPsW party and you do not have the control over your members to prevent them from being simply idiotic and infantile in their continual jibes and insults of our party. You complain of our stance towards you; try swapping places with us and putting up with this Senate's outruly behaviour!
In short, the NBCyIPsW party formally condemns this shambles of a Senate at least until the point when it finally bucks its ideas up and attempts to become a serious, organised governing body. Our stance may change at the point; however, we reserve the right to continue in our present stance if we deem it necessary.

Now buck your ideas up and sort this shambles out!

Ilaer

Edit: I would like to pass on some guarded praise to Sel Appa though. In his realisation concerning Proposal 4 he has shown himself to have some intelligence, unlike some members I could mention.
I suggest you all attempt to get yourself some of the common sense he has shown.

OK, this is stupid.

Maybe the senate should do something important and with actual ends.

OK, this is stupid.

Maybe the senate should do something important and with actual ends.

I agree with Minaris for once.
As I said earlier: buck your ideas up, senators.

Ilaer

You guys really miss your monopoly, don't you?

This Senate is ridiculous; it has four or so separate proposals being put to the vote and yet no complete list detailing them somewhere conspicuous (presently they are spread out loosely amongst the posts, making it impossible to find out what some proposals are!); it still has no codified structure or means of going about things and it seems to have no real way of going about debate

I say sir! The proposals are all listed on the OP, as well as colorized vote tallies and who voted for what, date and time the voting ends, and are in nice little Quote boxes.

As for your second complaint, we are in the process of establishing structure and procedures. Get out of our Senate now or I shall have to call security!

You guys really miss your monopoly, don't you?

Probably. They're complaining about us while saying we shouldn't complain about them.

I say sir! The proposals are all listed on the OP, as well as colorized vote tallies and who voted for what, date and time the voting ends, and are in nice little Quote boxes.

As for your second complaint, we are in the process of establishing structure and procedures. Get out of our Senate now or I shall have to call security!

Might I ask when this was done? I see an edit at 7:38 PM on your original post; I started writing my complaint at 7:30 or so (I had to get a cup of tea).
If it was done before I started my post then I humbly apologise; if not then it's not really my fault, is it?

Perhaps the NBCyIPsW party would leave you alone if you'd leave us alone?
Then neither of us would have to call security.

And you didn't even say thank you for my somewhat guarded praise.

As to that about a monopoly... What monopoly? Ever heard of a thing called an opposing party? There are plenty of those in Parliament, and they outnumber us quite considerably.

Ilaer

Might I ask when this was done? I see an edit at 7:38 PM on your original post; I started writing my complaint at 7:30 or so (I had to get a cup of tea).
If it was done before I started my post then I humbly apologise; if not then it's not really my fault, is it?

Perhaps the NBCyIPsW party would leave you alone if you'd leave us alone?
Then neither of us would have to call security.

And you didn't even say thank you for my somewhat guarded praise.

As to that about a monopoly... What monopoly? Ever heard of a thing called an opposing party? There are plenty of those in Parliament, and they outnumber us quite considerably.

Ilaer

I always had them all there. I may be a little late with them, but they have always all been there.

Monopoly on Legislature.

I agree with Minaris for once.
As I said earlier: buck your ideas up, senators.

Ilaer

Hey, Ilaer. I have a question.

Doesn't the Imperial British Tea-Drinking Spam Car Core of People Without Lives ( :p ) party have something of their own to do?

Hey, Ilaer. I have a question.

Doesn't the Imperial British Tea-Drinking Spam Car Core of People Without Lives ( :p ) party have something of their own to do?

Yes, many things; and attempting to sort out some decent opposition from this Senate is one of them. It makes life a lot more interesting when one has a competent rival.
Please don't mangle our name like that.

I always had them all there. I may be a little late with them, but they have always all been there.

Monopoly on Legislature.

In that case I humbly apologise; I truly had not noticed them in the past.

We (the NBIP, formerly the largest party in terms of membership and shared largest proportion of MPs in Parliament) passed no bills.
I believe it was Ifreann of the CyPsW party who managed to get a Bill for Public Nudity passed, but I can't recall any others.

Ilaer

Yes, many things; and attempting to sort out some decent opposition from this Senate is one of them. It makes life a lot more interesting when one has a competent rival.
Please don't mangle our name like that.

A competent rival?

What happened to them Pirates?

And I have to mangle the N00b British Ignorant Polarity Core Party's name; the real one is too long and confusing.

Yes, many things; and attempting to sort out some decent opposition from this Senate is one of them. It makes life a lot more interesting when one has a competent rival.
Please don't mangle our name like that.



In that case I humbly apologise; I truly had not noticed them in the past.

We (the NBIP, formerly the largest party in terms of membership and shared largest proportion of MPs in Parliament) passed no bills.
I believe it was Ifreann of the CyPsW party who managed to get a Bill for Public Nudity passed, but I can't recall any others.

Ilaer

Parliament

Parliament

You mean Parliament had a monopoly on passing legislation?
Of course it had! It was the only real and organised group with any intention of doing so!
Honestly, that was like complaining that the British Parliament has a monopoly on passing legislation in the UK...

Ilaer

You mean Parliament had a monopoly on passing legislation?
Of course it had! It was the only real and organised group with any intention of doing so!
Honestly, that was like complaining that the British Parliament has a monopoly on passing legislation in the UK...

Ilaer

Ilaer, enough of this waffling.

SPAM! SPAM FOR THE EMPARH!

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Ilaer, enough of this waffling.

SPAM! SPAM FOR THE EMPARH!

:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

Ach, but I like arguing and generally acting like a grumpy old man despite being 15.
Oh well.
My first fluffle: :fluffle:
*cries*
It shall forever have a special place in my heart.

Ilaer

Ach, but I like arguing and generally acting like a grumpy old man despite being 15.
Oh well.
My first fluffle: :fluffle:
*cries*
It shall forever have a special place in my heart.

Ilaer

Yay! Your first fluffle! :D :fluffle:

Now SPAM! SPAM LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW!

Ach, but I like arguing and generally acting like a grumpy old man despite being 15.
Oh well.
My first fluffle: :fluffle:
*cries*
It shall forever have a special place in my heart.

Ilaer

HA! I'm 16.5 almost and therefore better! :D

Proposal 5

The NSG Senate hereby removes Darknovae as Senator and bans her for all eternity from the Senate for her treasonous remarks shown below:
Which and is precisely why we cannot allow that immature Senate to be up. I say we spam! Spam for the Emparh!Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12347226&postcount=95)


^

^

When did I become a Senator? :confused:

I was part of the NBCyIPsW long before the Senate....

I vote no on issue 4. There is no reason to recklessly endanger the legitimacy of our Senate with an attack on the free expression of the Parliament. It poses a threat to relations between the two organizations, and that is unacceptable.

HA! I'm 16.5 almost and therefore better! :D

Hmmm... But I bet you don't go to a Grammar school (especially as I don't believe you're English :D) and come up with new theories to do with physics in your spare time!
:D

^

Darn it; you exposed our double agent...
Or is she your double agent?
*is confused*

Ilaer

Hmmm... But I bet you don't go to a Grammar school (especially as I don't believe you're English :D) and come up with new theories to do with physics in your spare time!
:D



Darn it; you exposed our double agent...
Or is she your double agent?
*is confused*

Ilaer

I have no clue. I don't even know when I joined the Senate. :(

Aye, aye!

*Loves mercenary work*

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Now that's how it's done!

HUZZAH! HUZZAH FOR SPAM AND THE EMPARH!

Yay! Your first fluffle!

Now SPAM! SPAM LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW!

Aye, aye!

*Loves mercenary work*

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I have no clue. I don't even know when I joined the Senate. :(

I didn't think you'd joined the Senate, but Sel Appa implied that you had...

Ilaer

*Beaches Ming-style warship on shore and fires spam everywhere.*

*Beaches Ming-style warship on shore and fires spam everywhere.*

Declares embargo on your nation, cuts off all food supplies, and sells back spam to starving citizens for a 500% markup.

*Beaches Ming-style warship on shore and fires spam everywhere.*

Good luck.

Ilaer

*watches as this thread descends into chaos, and blames it on parlament and time warps*

Good luck.

Ilaer

That's why I went for Ming-style.

Size of an aircraft carrier. Even got a farm on board.

*Launches spam bottles at the time warper*

trying to make time warps, are you?

I have no clue. I don't even know when I joined the Senate. :(

I nominated you...:headbang:

*watches as this thread descends into chaos, and blames it on parlament*

*Launches spam bottles at the time warper*

I nominated you...:headbang:

*Pours syrup on Butter*

Ok that's it...SECURITY!

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Ok that's it...SECURITY!

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hm... let me think. Rather then all of us defending this thread from the NBCYIPSWP's attacks, let's get some senators to do similar acts to that evil party's thread. Let's make that proposal 4, and don't keep the vote open for too long, we need results for this fast.

*Another Ming warship comes ashore, followed by a modern-tech battleship.*

Can't use all the antiquities. They are the only ones with farms on board.

*Grabs a sea grape and eats it.*

Mm.

hm... let me think. Rather then all of us defending this thread from the NBCYIPSWP's attacks, let's get some senators to do similar acts to that evil party's thread. Let's make that proposal 4, and don't keep the vote open for too long, we need results for this fast.

Such an action could lead to civil war...I don't know if this is the wisest course of action for our fledgling Senate.

Too bad my mercenary bulletproof Halo troops are already stationed there.

Yes, but we don't use bullets. We use lasers. You're messing with the Machine Empire of Vetalia after all...

hm... let me think. Rather then all of us defending this thread from the NBCYIPSWP's attacks, let's get some senators to do similar acts to that evil party's thread. Let's make that proposal 4, and don't keep the vote open for too long, we need results for this fast.

It was being done already.

Ilaer

Edit: 200th post! Yay!

hm... let me think. Rather then all of us defending this thread from the NBCYIPSWP's attacks, let's get some senators to do similar acts to that evil party's thread. Let's make that proposal 4, and don't keep the vote open for too long, we need results for this fast.

Too bad my mercenary bulletproof Halo troops are already stationed there.

hm... let me think. Rather then all of us defending this thread from the NBCYIPSWP's attacks, let's get some senators to do similar acts to that evil party's thread. Let's make that proposal 4, and don't keep the vote open for too long, we need results for this fast.

I accept that; excellent idea.

And yes, I had a VERY good reason for wanting to stick it to NBCyIPsW... I made an election promise and even if it doesn't pass, at least I made the proposal I promised to make. Now let's teach them not to mess with the Senate.

Yay! Your first fluffle! :D :fluffle:

Now SPAM! SPAM LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW!

If you're going to spam, be smart like me and use the Spam forum. Enjoy it's luxuriant artificiality, relish the crass humor, and savor the lack of substance. Mmm, spam.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

Yes, but we don't use bullets. We use lasers. You're messing with the Machine Empire of Vetalia after all...

Oh, we're playing it like that then?

*sends radio message to space bombers*

5,4,3,2,1...

*Metal spires rain down from sky, destroying huge swatches of the Vetalian army*

I warned you.

*Giant spam baby grand pianos drop all around the senate, harming noone but causing much infrastructural damage.*

HEY! I was sitting there, you upstart scallywag!!

Edit - Being a Senator seems to give me time warp powers... :D

I accept that; excellent idea.

And yes, I had a VERY good reason for wanting to stick it to NBCyIPsW... I made an election promise and even if it doesn't pass, at least I made the proposal I promised to make. Now let's teach them not to mess with the Senate.

*Giant spam baby grand pianos drop all around the senate, harming noone but causing much infrastructural damage.*

*Pike flies and hits the Senate's coffee maker*

I thought you said the battle was going to occur far from my palace, Swilatia!

It was being done already.

Ilaer

Edit: 200th post! Yay!

That's another show of your inferiority.

If you're going to spam, be smart like me and use the Spam forum. Enjoy it's luxuriant artificiality, relish the crass humor, and savor the lack of substance. Mmm, spam.

NationStates Forum Moderator
HotRodia

*bows down to the will of the Mod*
Of course, oh lord.

Ilaer

The Proconsular Office of the NSG-CFT thanks HotRodia for their role in combating the unprovoked spam aggression against our Senate. We could use people like you in the Settlement Office.

The Proconsular Office of the NSG-CFT thanks HotRodia for their role in combating the unprovoked spam aggression against our Senate. We could use people like you in the Settlement Office.

Unprovoked?
I think not.
Since day one the Senate has been attacking the NBCyIPsW party in some way or another, despite our best efforts to keep the hostilities at least civil. Sadly, it failed.

My one spam post (the fluffle) was also my last, by the way; I shall remember it fondly.

Ilaer

That's another show of your inferiority.

indeed. 200 posts is nothing.

indeed. 200 posts is nothing.

Yeah, but generally I lurk on forums, so I think that 200 posts is quite good.

Ilaer

Is the senate closed to additional members?

Is the senate closed to additional members?

I believe that the Senator elections ended some time ago, but you could always try anyway.

Why not join the NBCyIPsW party instead? (It's worth a try...)

Ilaer

I have negotiated a limited peace treaty with the NBCyIPsW. We will cease all spam attacks, and they will do the same to us.

Also, I present two proposals to the Senate:

Proposal 6:

The NSG Senate shall cease all spam attacks against the NBCyIPsW under penalty of removal from office and loss of suffrage. In turn, the NBCyIPsW shall cease its own attacks on the Senate.

Proposal 7:

The NSG Senate shall elect a new leader, the Presiding Officer of the Senate, to negotiate relations between the two parties, and who shall have the power, along with the other members of its leadership, to enforce binding agreements between the NBCyIPsW and the Senate, as well as the resolutions passed by the larger body.

The voting deadlines and requirements for passage shall be determined by Sel Appa as he sees fit.

Very well, Senators. Whilst a large proportion of the time you have been in existence has contained a state of virtual forum war between our two organisations, it is time to stop it.
Vetalia has approached the NBCyIPsW party and we consider the proposal made to be in accordance with our general wishes.
Though my attempts at very slight, small peace overtures were not accepted, I still hope that we can work together in harmony and co-operation for a better NationStates General.
To help in the pursuit, I declare a ceasefire; let us hammer out details of peace, shall we?

Ilaer

To help in the pursuit, I declare a ceasefire; let us hammer out details of peace, shall we?

Ilaer

It will be hammered out more specifically once Proposal 6 is passed. For now, we are simply going to cease spamming until we have full approval by the Senate.

It will be hammered out more specifically once Proposal 6 is passed. For now, we are simply going to cease spamming until we have full approval by the Senate.

But of course.
I am concerned as to the result should the Senate decide against, however.

Ilaer

But of course.
I am concerned as to the result should the Senate decide against, however.

Ilaer

I may have no choice but to leave and join the NBCyIPsW.

yes to 5, nay to both 6 and 7. We will never surrender. Even if the rest of the senate does, I will then just fight the battles on my own. The NBCYIPSWP must be destroy!

yes to 5, nay to both 6 and 7. We will never surrender. Even if the rest of the senate does, I will then just fight the battles on my own. The NBCYIPSWP must be destroy!

That is simply idiotic. Give me one good, decent reason why you should continue to fight; we have been more than civilised!
Truly you begin to seriously get on my nerves. You really are being most unreasonable.

Ilaer

I may have no choice but to leave and join the NBCyIPsW.

You are always welcome.

Ilaer

I may have no choice but to leave and join the NBCyIPsW.

While I hope for peace, know that you will be welcome in our party.

That is simply idiotic. Give me one good, decent reason why you should continue to fight; we have been more than civilised!
Truly you begin to seriously get on my nerves. You really are being most unreasonable.

Ilaer

The problem started when Ifreann crashed the elections thread for the Senate and tried to hijack it for his own purposes.

The Punks and Pirates Party supports those who revolt against the NBCyIpsW Party!

With this knowledge, I put before the Senate, a call to ally ourselves with a party in Parliament to get ourselves some clout. It seems the Punks and Pirates Party is on the ball.

If this is acceptable, then we'll put it to a vote.

I know I have no power here, and well... no voice, but I will say my peace anyway.

as I am not affiliated with any party, I offer an impartial view of this matter.

if it is true that Ifreann did attempt a fillibuster (hijack) why take it out on Darknovae (Proposal #5) who did see, as I do, a sense of Growing hostility between the Senate as the... NBCYIPSWP is it? party.

may I suggest a peace offering of sorts. removal of proposals #5 and a suspension of Proposal #4.

in return, the NBCYIPSWP Party will endevor not to spam during debates/discussions. and when relations between both Bodies is smoothed over, remove Proposal #4 completely.

it does little to show how such a body as this Senate can survive if it cannot find a civil resolution between factions within the Senate itself, infact it hurts when others use the Senate and their proposals to escallate wars between political bodies.

just my humble 2 cents. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I humbly thank you for your time in letting this non-person speak his peace.

Is the senate closed to additional members?

We're voting on whether to allow new Senators during session.

yes to 5, nay to both 6 and 7. We will never surrender. Even if the rest of the senate does, I will then just fight the battles on my own. The NBCYIPSWP must be destroy!

:headbang:

The problem started when Ifreann crashed the elections thread for the Senate and tried to hijack it for his own purposes.

Yeah, actually Ifreann started it...

Finally I vote YEA on 6.

Proposal 8

All proposals shall be up for vote for seven (7) days. Proposals may be fast-tracked in an emergency for three (3) days. The sponsor of a proposal may file for a fast-tracking of a seven-day proposal to five (5) days, if the proposal has been on the floor for less than four (4) days. Also, the sponsor of a proposal may file for a full fast-tracking of a seven-day proposal to three (3) days, if the proposal has been on the floor for less than one (1) day.

Resolutions may be up for vote for any amount of days up to 7, at the discretion of its sponsor.

Any proposal or resolution may be withdrawn by its sponsor. It will be erased from records, with the exception of its identification number.

This resolution is fast-tracked to three (3) days.
^

I endorse proposal #8. My constituents would be happy if I voted in favour of it.

Yes on 8.

I also nominate Vetalia as vice-president, until a proper election is held. Also, I am fast-tracking all my existing proposals to the dates possible. Vetalia, I would like to change your proposal to this:
The NSG Senate shall elect a president and vice-president. The job of president and vice-president is to lead the Senate, keep order, and negotiate with non-Senate parties. Any Senator may announce their candidacy within five (5) days of the pasing of this proposal. Once this time has elapsed, an election will be held. Both offices are elected by plurality. The winner of the election is president, and the runner-up is vice-president. A minimum of three candidates is needed for an election to be held.
We also need to figure out when to hold new elections. Unlike Parliament we need to have set terms. Please discuss ideas. I think three months would be good.

I also nominate Vetalia as vice-president, until a proper election is held. Also, I am fast-tracking all my existing proposals to the dates possible. Vetalia, I would like to change your proposal to this

I think that would be a better structure for the position. It brings in more Senatorial participation, which is always a good thing. As President and Vice President we can work to establish the ground rules for the Senate and get the group on firm footing.

We also need to figure out when to hold new elections. Unlike Parliament we need to have set terms. Please discuss ideas. I think three months would be good.

I agree, although we should possibly consider shortening it to two months to attract more candidates to the Senate.

I oppose the nomination of Vetalia as VP. Such a posittion should be chosen by a democratic vote.

I oppose the nomination of Vetalia as VP. Such a posittion should be chosen by a democratic vote.

President Sel Appa and I are going to be up for reelection at the next vote. At present, our positions are temporary ones needed for us to transition the Senate to full operation.

I think that would be a better structure for the position. It brings in more Senatorial participation, which is always a good thing. As President and Vice President we can work to establish the ground rules for the Senate and get the group on firm footing.



I agree, although we should possibly consider shortening it to two months to attract more candidates to the Senate.

That'll work. Also, as creator, I will always have some job(President pro tempore) until I leave the Senate.

I oppose the nomination of Vetalia as VP. Such a posittion should be chosen by a democratic vote.

Soon

President Sel Appa and I are going to be up for reelection at the next vote. At present, our positions are temporary ones needed for us to transition the Senate to full operation.

So, I take it you accept. :)

It feels so good and relaxing without political parties. This is how a republic was meant to be.

I know I have no power here, and well... no voice, but I will say my peace anyway.

as I am not affiliated with any party, I offer an impartial view of this matter.

if it is true that Ifreann did attempt a fillibuster (hijack) why take it out on Darknovae (Proposal #5) who did see, as I do, a sense of Growing hostility between the Senate as the... NBCYIPSWP is it? party.

may I suggest a peace offering of sorts. removal of proposals #5 and a suspension of Proposal #4.

in return, the NBCYIPSWP Party will endevor not to spam during debates/discussions. and when relations between both Bodies is smoothed over, remove Proposal #4 completely.

it does little to show how such a body as this Senate can survive if it cannot find a civil resolution between factions within the Senate itself, infact it hurts when others use the Senate and their proposals to escallate wars between political bodies.

just my humble 2 cents. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I humbly thank you for your time in letting this non-person speak his peace.

One more thing, everyone.

I am neither NBCYIPSWP nor anyone else. I am an independent (see sig for category).

I had to repay a debt to someone, and thus I have. [/"IC" acting]

The problem started when Ifreann crashed the elections thread for the Senate and tried to hijack it for his own purposes.

I plead guilty to defending my party from the senate.

I plead guilty to defending my party from the senate.

As do I.
This Senate began the hostilities.
I protest against the implied lack of self-control on the part of the NBCyIPsW party, although I do commend Sel Appa and Vetalia for taking steps to begin the process of peace.
I shall not stop complaining about my guarded offers being rejected in the manner that they were though.

Ilaer

Soon

Okay, what do you mean by soon? Do we really need a VP?

Okay, what do you mean by soon? Do we really need a VP?

You would prefer a Senate Dictator For Life?

You would prefer a Senate Dictator For Life?

no, i'd prefer to have an election here.

no, i'd prefer to have an election here.

An elected dictator for life is still a dictator for life.

We need a Speaker and a Senate Leader, yes, we need two players who can help maintain general order; I oppose the titles of President and VP, however, since it sounds like they act apart from the Senate.

The problem started when Ifreann crashed the elections thread for the Senate and tried to hijack it for his own purposes.
Yet you choose to take it out on the party and the Parliament... why, exactly?
I know I have no power here, and well... no voice, but I will say my peace anyway.

as I am not affiliated with any party, I offer an impartial view of this matter.

if it is true that Ifreann did attempt a fillibuster (hijack) why take it out on Darknovae (Proposal #5) who did see, as I do, a sense of Growing hostility between the Senate as the... NBCYIPSWP is it? party.

may I suggest a peace offering of sorts. removal of proposals #5 and a suspension of Proposal #4.

in return, the NBCYIPSWP Party will endevor not to spam during debates/discussions. and when relations between both Bodies is smoothed over, remove Proposal #4 completely.

it does little to show how such a body as this Senate can survive if it cannot find a civil resolution between factions within the Senate itself, infact it hurts when others use the Senate and their proposals to escallate wars between political bodies.

just my humble 2 cents. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate, I humbly thank you for your time in letting this non-person speak his peace.

Hear hear. Well said.

We need a Speaker and a Senate Leader, yes, we need two players who can help maintain general order; I oppose the titles of President and VP, however, since it sounds like they act apart from the Senate.

Then I propose that the titles be renamed to Speaker and Presiding Officer of the NSG Senate (to replace the ambiguity of Senate Leader), with the Speaker serving the role of President and Presiding Officer the role of Vice President.

Upon passage, the Senate will immediately set a timeline for the first election to these positions.

Also, I support the nullification of proposals 4 and 5 as part of our peace agreement.

If we are to have a peace agreement, I resign. the new british excessively long name party must be destroy!

Then I propose that the titles be renamed to Speaker and Presiding Officer of the NSG Senate (to replace the ambiguity of Senate Leader), with the Speaker serving the role of President and Presiding Officer the role of Vice President.

Upon passage, the Senate will immediately set a timeline for the first election to these positions.

Also, I support the nullification of proposals 4 and 5 as part of our peace agreement.oppose. that would be most un-democratic. what we should do is remove the old titles, create new ones, and hold elections for the new ones.

1. Yea
2. Nay
3.Yea
4.Abstain
5.Yea
6.Yea
7.Nay
8.Yea

Okay, what do you mean by soon? Do we really need a VP?

My proposal said as soon as it is passed, candidates will announce their candidacy. We need two officers in case one is unable to post for more than a day.

We need a Speaker and a Senate Leader, yes, we need two players who can help maintain general order; I oppose the titles of President and VP, however, since it sounds like they act apart from the Senate.

Senate President and Senate Speaker? or we could have consuls...

If we are to have a peace agreement, I resign. the new british excessively long name party must be destroy!

I'd prefer a cease-fire and just follow laissez-faire with them.

oppose. that would be most un-democratic. what we should do is remove the old titles, create new ones, and hold elections for the new ones.

see above and my proposal

1. Yea
2. Nay
3.Yea
4.Abstain
5.Yea
6.Yea
7.Nay
8.Yea

Noted and thanks for finally making it. :)

I change my vote on Proposal 4 to NAY. Due to the cease-fire I withdraw Proposal 5. Darknovae will still be removed since she does not seem to know or care that she was in the Senate. If she decides she wants in, then that will be granted. I also vote YEA on Prop 7.

Finally, I'd like to thank everyone for the support in this venture. It has been a bit more successful than I thought and will be a good educational thing for all of us. It is sad that not everyone is able to experience something like this. Actually, it's unheard of for message board members to form a republican government. It may not have much authority, but it's still pretty good. :)

Proposals 1 and 8 have passed. Proposal 2 was defeated.

Proposal 2

IN ORDER to allow the addition of more Senators between election, the Senate
CREATES the office of Senator Apparent.

The Senator Apparent shall have the right to vote, however their vote will not be counted to break a tied vote or to make a tied vote.

YEA-3 (Sel Appa, Kryozerkia, Vetalia)
NAY-4 (Kyronea, Jello Biafra, Swilatia, N Y C)
ABS-0 ()
DEFEATED

Proposal 3

A Resolution For The Advancement of the Senate:

NOTING that a Senate must require rules, guidelines, and protocols.

UNDERSTANDING that such a framework is essential to any true Senetorial function.

REALIZING that a body of the Senate must take the time to create such a framework.

PROPOSES that the Senate form a committee to create such a framework.


YEA-4 (Kyronea, Vetalia, Sel Appa, N Y C)
NAY-0 ()
ABS-0 ()
PASSED

Who wants to be on this?

Is this the right/time and place to submit an application to be the senator from South Carolina? If it isnt you may spank me as you please. :D

Proposal 9:
If this passes,

Swilatia shall resign from the senate, and an inanimate object shall take his place.
Fast track to 3 days

Nay on 9

I propose another resolution.

Given the attempted coup d'etat by the FUG, I move that the NSG Senate should appoint a commander-in-chief of all Senate forces which include the listed units:

First Baseball Caps Regiment
Seventh Blue Pens Regiment
X Corp. - composed of 22,000 reams of Printer Paper

The title of this new director shall be First Grand Quartermaster Colonel-General of the Senate Loyalists. The office shall have no real powers, but offering such a glorious title will surely cow our opponents into submission.

Yes on 9, nay on 10.

Who wants to be on this?

I'll be on the Senate Committee!

so, what do the rest of you have to say about my proposal?

so, what do the rest of you have to say about my proposal?

Nay :)

The Senate is falling apart!!!! And some of you joined that insurrection!

Nay :)

The Senate is falling apart!!!! And some of you joined that insurrection!

Only five Senators have joined. :)

We want you to. You can make a difference.

Nay :)

The Senate is falling apart!!!! And some of you joined that insurrection!

Why isn't it in the OP?

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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Long live the Federated Union of Generalites! For a free and irrelevant NSG.

Long live the Federated Union of Generalites! For a free and irrelevant NSG.
Yeah! FUG everyone! :p

Why isn't it in the OP?

When you withdraw from FUG, I'll put it up. You have to link me to you withdrawl post.

When you withdraw from FUG, I'll put it up. You have to link me to you withdrawl post.

I never joined. but no, i'd rather be in the FUG. I'm resigning from the senate. My trusty fake katana shall take my place.

I never joined. but no, i'd rather be in the FUG. I'm resigning from the senate. My trusty fake katana shall take my place.

You've made the right choice, Comrade Swilatia. I too resign my senate seat until such time that nonsensicalism runs like water in a barnyard bathtub.

You've made the right choice, Comrade Swilatia. I too resign my senate seat until such time that nonsensicalism runs like water in a barnyard bathtub.

so, what are the available positions?

I never joined. but no, i'd rather be in the FUG. I'm resigning from the senate. My trusty fake katana shall take my place.

*Another one bites the dust!*

so, what are the available positions?

Commissar of Edible Noble Gases.

Commissar of Edible Noble Gases.

that's all? not a very interesing position...

that's all? not a very interesing position...

It encompasses more than you think.

so, Neo Kervoskia. When do we start attacking this thread.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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*revolves*

Is the Senate collapsing or not?
If it is then we need a new friendly rival.

Ilaer

Is the Senate collapsing or not?
If it is then we need a new friendly rival.

Ilaer

yes, the senate will collapse, but so will you!

so, Neo Kervoskia. When do we start attacking this thread.

Right....about........now!

okay then.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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Is the Senate collapsing or not?
If it is then we need a new friendly rival.

Ilaer
Indeed. We can't leave the Navy with nothing to do but keept the Spaniards out of our fishing waters.
yes, the senate will collapse, but so will you!

Ooh, he'll do nicely.

I resign from the Senate. I've got more important things to do, like work on a Chrono Trigger fan project.

Y'all wanna call this quits. It was good while it lasted, but NK bit us in teh arse. :(

Lol, Senate FTL!

Y'all wanna call this quits. It was good while it lasted, but NK bit us in teh arse. :(

Something like this senate thing just can't last forever.

Something like this senate thing just can't last forever.

The Parliament lasted long enough; I don't see why the Senate can't.
Also, look how long the NBIP and CYPSW party have lasted; admittedly they went into dormancy for a while but now they're fairly busy again as the NBCyIPsW party.

Ilaer

The Parliament lasted long enough; I don't see why the Senate can't.
Also, look how long the NBIP and CYPSW party have lasted; admittedly they went into dormancy for a while but now they're fairly busy again as the NBCyIPsW party.

Ilaer

your decline should come soon enough.

your decline should come soon enough.

Oh, thank you.
*harrumphs*

I say, dear party fellows: can we invade Poland and finally make Swilatia shut up? He does tend to get somewhat annoying...
After the invasion we'll promptly declare Poland an imperial colony and then attack Germany from that side as well as whichever front we're currently fighting Fritz on.

Ilaer

your decline should come soon enough.

Doubtful.