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But why do so many of the Americans here seem to hate Hilary Clinton? I just had a look at the thread that had a link to a picture of her with Redefeat Communism on it. Looking at it from over here, where both of the main US parties seem equivalent to, or on the right of, our Conservative party this seems faintly ridiculous. And I saw the Top Gear episode where a painted slogan "Hilary for President 08" on a car caused hurled rocks in Alabama. But anyway.

I know next to nothing about politics before 1997 when I started taking an interest. So why does Hilary seem to bring out so much anger? What has she done? I'm really intrigued.

To be honest, I think the people who hate her the most know the least about her. For some reason most of my conservative friends back in the States are convinced that she's a raging communist, but when I ask why they think that they say "because she is". I'm not really a fan (I like Richardson more) but I don't really understand the raging hatred for her either.

So why does Hilary seem to bring out so much anger? What has she done? I'm really intrigued.

I'll give a try at explaining it...

"How does a woman dare to run for the White House? Go back to the kitchen!"

Or something like that.;)

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/shadedgrey/comments/hillary_pushing_to_censor_blogs_and_news_sites/

she is very authoritarian (IMO) and every time I hear her speak she says something else that makes me think she wants to control my life.

I don't like that.

I want to write what I want, read what I want, play the video games that I want, and raise my children without her "village".

I'll give a try at explaining it...

"How does a woman dare to run for the White House? Go back to the kitchen!"

Or something like that.;)


Better than them colored folk movin' in.

jk jk.

now, i may be a conservative bend 15 year old, but i don't hate Hilary and i certainly don't doubt her ability to be President of the United States but people hate what she stands for: Higher Taxes, Extreme Separation of Church and State, and a lot of other things the silent Majority or just middle America doesn't want.

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/shadedgrey/comments/hillary_pushing_to_censor_blogs_and_news_sites/

she is very authoritarian (IMO) and every time I hear her speak she says something else that makes me think she wants to control my life.

I don't like that.

I want to write what I want, read what I want, play the video games that I want, and raise my children without her "village".

and there we have the main issue....

I want I want I want.

And I am sure the same goes for Hils...she is also of the I want I want I want group...

and there we have the main issue....

I want I want I want.

And I am sure the same goes for Hils...she is also of the I want I want I want group...

yes, I want to live my life, and she wants to control it.

now, i may be a conservative bend 15 year old, but i don't hate Hilary and i certainly don't doubt her ability to be President of the United States but people hate what she stands for: Higher Taxes, Extreme Separation of Church and State, and a lot of other things the silent Majority or just middle America doesn't want.

another shining example of why i so wouldn't fit in if i moved to america, like i used to want to.


i'm a brit too, and i see Hilary as pretty good from what i can see. however, the person who should really be president is Jack Bauer, obviously :D

I watched the episode of top gear too.

Very funny, but very scary......

Would Hilary have the people of New Orleans still living in the sh*te a year after Hurricane Katrina??

Better than them colored folk movin' in.

jk jk.

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "******! be grateful that you aren't a slave anymore, but don't you dare to look on the position of the white man."
Yes, sometimes the american "melting pot" isn't quite... melting.:(

yes, I want to live my life, and she wants to control it.

Yep.

As does every politician :(

But why do so many of the Americans here seem to hate Hilary Clinton? I just had a look at the thread that had a link to a picture of her with Redefeat Communism on it. Looking at it from over here, where both of the main US parties seem equivalent to, or on the right of, our Conservative party this seems faintly ridiculous. And I saw the Top Gear episode where a painted slogan "Hilary for President 08" on a car caused hurled rocks in Alabama. But anyway.

I know next to nothing about politics before 1997 when I started taking an interest. So why does Hilary seem to bring out so much anger? What has she done? I'm really intrigued.
She's a Clinton. Clinton-hating is practically an Olympic sport in America.

another shining example of why i so wouldn't fit in if i moved to america, like i used to want to.


I would not take his word on what the majority of America wants.

Yep.

As does every politician :(

I know :(

She is more vocal about it, which is probably a good thing, since I know not to vote for her.....it's the quiet ones you really have to be worried about.

But why do so many of the Americans here seem to hate Hilary Clinton? I just had a look at the thread that had a link to a picture of her with Redefeat Communism on it. Looking at it from over here, where both of the main US parties seem equivalent to, or on the right of, our Conservative party this seems faintly ridiculous. And I saw the Top Gear episode where a painted slogan "Hilary for President 08" on a car caused hurled rocks in Alabama. But anyway.

I know next to nothing about politics before 1997 when I started taking an interest. So why does Hilary seem to bring out so much anger? What has she done? I'm really intrigued.

They don't like her. I don't like her either. She better just watch herself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence in twelve countries...

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/shadedgrey/comments/hillary_pushing_to_censor_blogs_and_news_sites/

she is very authoritarian (IMO) and every time I hear her speak she says something else that makes me think she wants to control my life.

I don't like that.

I want to write what I want, read what I want, play the video games that I want, and raise my children without her "village".
The problem is, Smunkee, that none of these are examples of reasons why you hate her. They are reasons why you don't support her, and why you disagree with her, and why you may think she's a doof on several issues, but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you hate her.

You appear to feel pretty much the same way I do. I don't agree with her, I don't want her for my representative or president, and I think she's bought in far too much for my taste. But I don't hate the woman. She's done nothing to deserve hatred, in my opinion.

The hatred that Hilary Clinton inspires has, in my opinion, precious little to do with her actual actions as a politician. It's more about what she represents, and what she is associated with.

I've heard about her blathering nonsense on violent video games destroying children, or whatever. Ban this sick filth now, etc. That's not endeared her to me. But I ain't a yank so I'm sure nobody cares.

They don't like her. I don't like her either. She better just watch herself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence in twelve countries...

Hehehe :D

The problem is, Smunkee, that none of these are examples of reasons why you hate her. They are reasons why you don't support her, and why you disagree with her, and why you may think she's a doof on several issues, but I have seen nothing from you that indicates you hate her.

You appear to feel pretty much the same way I do. I don't agree with her, I don't want her for my representative or president, and I think she's bought in far too much for my taste. But I don't hate the woman. She's done nothing to deserve hatred, in my opinion.

The hatred that Hilary Clinton inspires has, in my opinion, precious little to do with her actual actions as a politician. It's more about what she represents, and what she is associated with.

oh, well, I don't hate her. I hate very few people and she isn't worth that much energy.......

oh, well, I don't hate her. I hate very few people and she isn't worth that much energy.......
Exactly. All the things I dislike about her are things that I also dislike about plenty of other politicians and activists. I can't possibly muster up the energy to hate them all. :P

But why do so many of the Americans here seem to hate Hilary Clinton? I just had a look at the thread that had a link to a picture of her with Redefeat Communism on it. Looking at it from over here, where both of the main US parties seem equivalent to, or on the right of, our Conservative party this seems faintly ridiculous. And I saw the Top Gear episode where a painted slogan "Hilary for President 08" on a car caused hurled rocks in Alabama. But anyway.

I know next to nothing about politics before 1997 when I started taking an interest. So why does Hilary seem to bring out so much anger? What has she done? I'm really intrigued.

I don't hate her, but I think she's unelectable since most folks see her as an elitist out of touch with the common folks and some buy into the hype that she's some kind of ultra leftist (yeah, it's stupid, but that's the image portrayed by the "liberal" media).

now, i may be a conservative bend 15 year old, but i don't hate Hilary and i certainly don't doubt her ability to be President of the United States but people hate what she stands for: Higher Taxes, Extreme Separation of Church and State, and a lot of other things the silent Majority or just middle America doesn't want.

Middle America isn't the real America. The real America is on the coasts. Separation of church and state is a solid American value.

What exactly is it that makes americans not like her policies?

Is it just where people are generally anti Democrat, or is it more specific to her?

But why do so many of the Americans here seem to hate Hilary Clinton?

I don't hate her, but I won't vote for her...for two reasons.

1. The constitution says presidents are limited to two terms, and she's already had hers. :p

2. Seriously...we'll have had a Bush or a Clinton in office for 20 years when W finally rides into the sunset...let's knock this shit off, or do you want to see President Bush Twin in 20 years?? :eek:

Middle America isn't the real America. The real America is on the coasts. Separation of church and state is a solid American value.

but isn't the majority of the population in the 'mid west/south'?

What exactly is it that makes americans not like her policies?

Is it just where people are generally anti Democrat, or is it more specific to her?

It's more specific to her. There was a major smear campaign during the Clinton years aimed at her husband and at her.

but isn't the majority of the population in the 'mid west/south'?

Well, it's for 2000, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

According to the map on that page, most of the population is concentrated in the eastern United States, mostly closer to the coast than anything else, though a bunch in the south to be sure. There's also the large amount of population in California. Other than that...middle America is pretty barren population wise, compared to the other areas.

Middle America isn't the real America. The real America is on the coasts. Separation of church and state is a solid American value.

I always thought 'Middle' in this context meant middle income average Joes, not a geographic label. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I think I started to hate her after seeing her pic for the first time. Yikes!

Well, it's for 2000, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

According to the map on that page, most of the population is concentrated in the eastern United States, mostly closer to the coast than anything else, though a bunch in the south to be sure. There's also the large amount of population in California. Other than that...middle America is pretty barren population wise, compared to the other areas.

Interesting....

I think there is a issue with terminology though...I always associated 'the coasts' with states on the coast like...and everything else as mid west (sort of from Illinois to Nevada...

Still even then the demographics are skewed towards the coasts...I had always thought the interior of the US had the highest populations...

Cheers for the info!

but isn't the majority of the population in the 'mid west/south'?

It's pretty close to fifty fifty between the Northeastern and West coast "blue" states and the rest.

She's a Clinton. Clinton-hating is practically an Olympic sport in America.

Thats strange......Clinton-loving is practically an olmpic sport in the U.K, Hilary is popular only because of who she is married to. People may not like her in the USA but better somebody whom is married to Bill Clinton than an insane meglomaniac/George W Bush.

I always thought 'Middle' in this context meant middle income average Joes, not a geographic label. :confused: :confused: :confused:

That could be. I always thought of middle America as the folks in the "heartland" where some folks think the "real" Americans live. Anyway, my post was mainly a reaction to having heard on seveal occasions that the folks in the middle of the country are the real Americans and us Northeasterners and the West coast people are latte-drinking ivory tower elitists who don't fit in. Let's see how they feel about being told that they're not real Americans.

Thats strange......Clinton-loving is practically an olmpic sport in the U.K, Hilary is popular only because of who she is married to. People may not like her in the USA but better somebody whom is married to Bill Clinton than an insane meglomaniac/George W Bush.

Not exactly accurate, Clinton loving is not that popular in Britian. Half the people don't give a toss and the rest think she is better than Bush. I think the general consensus is "thank god he (Bush) can't go for another term!".

Who gets in is only a small detail.

Thats my observation of British Clinton opinions.

That could be. I always thought of middle America as the folks in the "heartland" where some folks think the "real" Americans live. Anyway, my post was mainly a reaction to having heard on seveal occasions that the folks in the middle of the country are the real Americans and us Northeasterners and the West coast people are latte-drinking ivory tower elitists who don't fit in. Let's see how they feel about being told that they're not real Americans.

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I find just as many people love her as hate her.

I don't like the way she hoots and throws her feces around the Senate floor, but she makes a damn fine plate of spaghetti.

Not exactly accurate, Clinton loving is not that popular in Britian. Half the people don't give a toss and the rest think she is better than Bush. I think the general consensus is "thank god he (Bush) can't go for another term!".

Who gets in is only a small detail.

Thats my observation of British Clinton opinions.

You should hear all the excitement of Clinton going to the Labour Party's conferance which happens practically every year. Clinton is popular over here in the U.K. because the Americans elected such a bad president as his replacement. Compared to Bush, anybody can be made into a popular ex-president (cept maybe Nixon and Reagan).

I find just as many people love her as hate her.

I don't like the way she hoots and throws her feces around the Senate floor, but she makes a damn fine plate of spaghetti.

Hey, welcome back.

Hey, welcome back.

Oh I was never really gone ... just ran out of things to talk about. :p

You should hear all the excitement of Clinton going to the Labour Party's conferance which happens practically every year. Clinton is popular over here in the U.K. because the Americans elected such a bad president as his replacement. Compared to Bush, anybody can be made into a popular ex-president (cept maybe Nixon and Reagan).

Hey Purple Android are you talking about the Brits loving Mr B Clinton?
I agree that the Brits loved Mr B Clinton

I'm talking about the brits not really being excited about Mrs H Clinton.

Hey Purple Android are you talking about the Brits loving Mr B Clinton?
I agree that the Brits loved Mr B Clinton

I'm talking about the brits not really being excited about Mrs H Clinton.

Yeah I was sort of on about that...the only reason people in the U.K. want to see her president is because of the popularity for Bill. Otherwise they wouldn't care less.

I find just as many people love her as hate her.

I don't like the way she hoots and throws her feces around the Senate floor, but she makes a damn fine plate of spaghetti.

The hate has to do with the fact that she's a woman, which I will never understand. As a person I actually like her. She's neat. I just really do not agree with most of her positions which is why I don't support her.

She's one of the more obvious examples of political opportunism, I think. It seems like she has no real beliefs of her own (despite being called a "liberal"), and bases all her actions and opinions on what is politically convenient at the time.

Examples, off the top of my head:
* Her waffling over the war in Iraq
* She supports a ban on flag-burning
* She is against gay marriage
* She went after violent video games, for God's sake
* She has a cold, manipulative air about her, generally

i'm a brit too, and i see Hilary as pretty good from what i can see. however, the person who should really be president is Jack Bauer, obviously :D

lmao, Now even the British know how to rule America better than we do! :p

Middle America isn't the real America. The real America is on the coasts. Separation of church and state is a solid American value.

i agree with you there but there is a point when its a little too much i think.

ex. Holiday Trees? come on now..

Oh I was never really gone ... just ran out of things to talk about. :p

I am glad that you feel you have something to say. And I am indebted to you for putting Cat Steven's Peace train in my head a few months ago. It's still rolling around in there.

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she is very authoritarian (IMO) and every time I hear her speak she says something else that makes me think she wants to control my life.

I don't like that.

I want to write what I want, read what I want, play the video games that I want, and raise my children without her "village".

That's why I don't like her. Not why most other southern americans don't. The only thing she has going for her is that she's a woman, and unfortunately, thet might be enough for her to win.

:DRalph Nader FTW.:D

I hate her because I think her primary reason for running is just so she can be the first female president. She could at least try to hide it a bit better.

She voted to loosen the restrictions on cell-phone wire tapping.

She thinks it's okay to sue the gun manufacturer for wrongful death and violence. She's pro-gun control.

She voted yes on the Patriot Act.

She voted yes on allowing illegal immigrant to participate in social security.... When there's not enough money for the retired people to live on.


Also, I don't think I could take 4 years of her claxon-like voice.

From what I see, she's one of the more oppurtunistic politicians out there.
She also used to recruit people from my old school to be interns at her office, and many of them came back with less than stellar opinions. *shrug*
And completely baseless, but I dislike to see her speak, I don't feel like I can trust anything she's saying. Although I feel that way about the majority of politicians I've seen speak.