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Why are people so ignorant...

Zilam
15-02-2007, 00:41
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:
NERVUN
15-02-2007, 00:45
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:
Because, sadly, we're living in a society that is science illiterate. They don't bother to get deeper than the 10 second sound bite and would have no idea how to address the actual theory if they did so.
Zilam
15-02-2007, 00:48
Christ they're not even human,

Fuck! I knew they were mole people!
TotalDomination69
15-02-2007, 00:48
FOX, dude, FOX- they don't have brains. Christ they're not even human, they're not like regular people, like me or you. Seriously, they don't think like a regular human.
Relyc
15-02-2007, 00:51
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:

Boorish jokes like that are probably why it's widely being referred to as "Climate Change" now.
Arinola
15-02-2007, 00:52
Because people absorb what the news channels tell them about global warming, and question nothing about it. There's not a chance in hell they'll go out and find out the actual theory for themselves.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
15-02-2007, 00:57
1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
This is called irony. Its amusing because of the reversal of expectations, and therefore worthy of comment, regardless of whether it proves anything.

That people should be stupid about things, however, is hardly unusual, and global warming is no more deserving of careful thought and consideration than any of the other thousands of issues that people have been and continue to be stupid about.
Greater Trostia
15-02-2007, 01:02
A sizeable faction sees global warming as an evil conspiracy perpetrated by the scaremongering left.
Marines United
15-02-2007, 01:02
This is America. America is stupid. Probably cause of Fox news
The Pacifist Womble
15-02-2007, 01:04
A sizeable faction sees global warming as an evil conspiracy perpetrated by the scaremongering left.
Yeah, it's these people (who are more or less unique to America) who are trying, desperately, to turn this into an ideological issue.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
15-02-2007, 01:04
This is America. America is stupid. Probably cause of Fox news
CNN is much worse, and highly lovable for this fact.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
15-02-2007, 01:05
CNN is much worse, and highly lovable for this fact.
CNN is worse than FOX News?
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
15-02-2007, 01:12
CNN is worse than FOX News?
Oh yes. They don't have the bias-issues of Fox, but they're much better at, um, being CNN. C-SPAN is good too, but only when the House of Representatives is on.
Relyc
15-02-2007, 01:15
Oh yes. They don't have the bias-issues of Fox, but they're much better at, um, being CNN. C-SPAN is good too, but only when the House of Representatives is on.

You mean stuff like "I'm going to give this report as fast as I can because according to recent developments you could all be dead before I finish. We'll be back after commercial."
Whereyouthinkyougoing
15-02-2007, 01:16
Oh yes. They don't have the bias-issues of Fox, but they're much better at, um, being CNN. C-SPAN is good too, but only when the House of Representatives is on.
Enlighten me - "being CNN"?
I know from what I remember from when I was in the US and from what I see in Daily Show snippets :p that CNN US is very different and a LOT worse than CNN International, which is what we get here. A lot more like your local news shows, if you will, with the "human interest" angle on every stupid little story and the constant barrage of every little "development".

But I didn't think FOX would be less so.
Steel Butterfly
15-02-2007, 01:18
This is called irony. Its amusing because of the reversal of expectations, and therefore worthy of comment, regardless of whether it proves anything.

That people should be stupid about things, however, is hardly unusual, and global warming is no more deserving of careful thought and consideration than any of the other thousands of issues that people have been and continue to be stupid about.

Thank you. QFT.
Cookesland
15-02-2007, 01:18
Global Warming- we're screwed anyway, why worry about it?
Quintessence of Dust
15-02-2007, 01:23
Well, 'we're all fucked, and the only way to save ourselves is to make some severe changes that might cost us money and cause inconvenience' isn't really the kind of happy message people like to revel in, so trying to find a way round isn't so unforgivable. I don't really like the film, but its title is spot on: it's an inconvenient truth. People aren't meant to say 'yeah, global warming's here, and we need to approach it rationally', or else it wouldn't be very inconvenient.

More generally, I think people are ignorant because of the Jewish media.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
15-02-2007, 01:26
Well, 'we're all fucked, and the only way to save ourselves is to make some severe changes that might cost us money and cause inconvenience' isn't really the kind of happy message people like to revel in, so trying to find a way round isn't so unforgivable. I don't really like the film, but its title is spot on: it's an inconvenient truth. People aren't meant to say 'yeah, global warming's here, and we need to approach it rationally', or else it wouldn't be very inconvenient.

More generally, I think people are ignorant because of the Jewish media.
I hate it when I don't know posters well enough to be able to tell if they're being serious or sarcastic.
Quintessence of Dust
15-02-2007, 01:27
(It was a joke. Not a classic, but nonetheless.)
Greater Trostia
15-02-2007, 01:28
Well, 'we're all fucked, and the only way to save ourselves is to make some severe changes that might cost us money and cause inconvenience' isn't really the kind of happy message people like to revel in, so trying to find a way round isn't so unforgivable. I don't really like the film, but its title is spot on: it's an inconvenient truth. People aren't meant to say 'yeah, global warming's here, and we need to approach it rationally', or else it wouldn't be very inconvenient.

More generally, I think people are ignorant because of the Jewish media.

Come off it. We all know there is no Jewish media, because there are no Jews. What we call Jews are actually the humanoid forms of reptilian transdimensional alien shapeshifters who are here on this plane of existence to steal and pollute our DNA so they can feed their psychic thirst for emotional energy.
Cookesland
15-02-2007, 01:32
Come off it. We all know there is no Jewish media, because there are no Jews. What we call Jews are actually the humanoid forms of reptilian transdimensional alien shapeshifters who are here on this plane of existence to steal and pollute our DNA so they can feed their psychic thirst for emotional energy.


Why is it always tHE Jews:confused:
The blessed Chris
15-02-2007, 01:34
Because people absorb what the news channels tell them about global warming, and question nothing about it. There's not a chance in hell they'll go out and find out the actual theory for themselves.

I am concerned that the debate regarding the validity of global warming has now infiltrated into the UK.
Quintessence of Dust
15-02-2007, 01:38
I think I may have accidentally started one of those very General-esque hijacks so, steering back on topic...while I do believe in global warming, support environmental regulation, throw burning puppies at conservatives, etc., what you're identifying could be classed as desperate false hope: people grasping for any chance that the doctrine is wrong.

For example: 'he looks a bit better today, maybe he is cured!' In fact, he's still dying. In that context, I'm not sure we'd call it ignorant or stupid. Maybe - perhaps not in the specific instances in the OP, but in general - sometimes it's like that. I certainly don't want the environment to be fucked; I can understand people who really don't like the idea developing coping mechanisms of denial.

That's hopeless, I know. I should have stuck with the Jews.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
15-02-2007, 01:42
throw burning puppies:eek: You're not helping your case there. *sniffle*
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
15-02-2007, 01:50
Enlighten me - "being CNN"?
Did you know that "terrorists tend not to kill people named Zippy"? CNN does.
Do you worry about the effect that watching violent television shows, such as 24, will cause otherwise childlike and innocent CIA agents to become sadistic torturers? CNN does.
Have you ever wanted to spend an entire day watching federal agents be menaced by a cardboard box sitting on the White House lawn? CNN has, and they like doing it so much that they've repeated the incident multiple times.
Have you ever found yourself playing videos that are 70-80% blurred out because of pornographic content? CNN has, and will almost certainly do it again.
But I didn't think FOX would be less so.
I must admit, that I prefer to watch CNN and so it is possible that FOX is just as lovable when I'm not watching, but I very much doubt it.
The Kaza-Matadorians
15-02-2007, 02:06
Maybe the reason that people don't do their own research on the subject is *gasp* they don't care. At all. Groups and individuals have always tried to scare the public into believing things (ex-senator McCarthy comes to mind), but I guess most people have learned to ignore it.

And, by the way, don't call people ignorant if you're just basing this off of Fox News. Maybe the producers/cast, but not everybody else.
Rubiconic Crossings
15-02-2007, 02:15
Come off it. We all know there is no Jewish media, because there are no Jews. What we call Jews are actually the humanoid forms of reptilian transdimensional alien shapeshifters who are here on this plane of existence to steal and pollute our DNA so they can feed their psychic thirst for emotional energy.

You are David Icke....AICM£5
Radical Centrists
15-02-2007, 02:23
Why are people so ignorant... when it comes to Global Warming?

The people most knowledgeable about Global Warming are ignorant of it. If they weren't, they would know everything there is to know and there would be no debate.

"Ignorance" is the lack of knowledge. Everyone is ignorant. It is impossible to not be ignorant to some extent, so come off it. You can't "know" everything, and everything you "know" may not be true.

Get used to it.
Johnny B Goode
15-02-2007, 02:24
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:

You should see my dad.
Deus Malum
15-02-2007, 03:14
You are David Icke....AICM£5

No, if that was true he would've mentioned Kris Kristofferson.
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 03:14
Enlighten me - "being CNN"?
I know from what I remember from when I was in the US and from what I see in Daily Show snippets :p that CNN US is very different and a LOT worse than CNN International, which is what we get here. A lot more like your local news shows, if you will, with the "human interest" angle on every stupid little story and the constant barrage of every little "development".

But I didn't think FOX would be less so.

http://foxnewsalert.ytmnd.com/
The Brevious
15-02-2007, 03:18
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:

*consoles*
The Brevious
15-02-2007, 03:19
I hate it when I don't know posters well enough to be able to tell if they're being serious or sarcastic.

*consoles*
The Brevious
15-02-2007, 03:23
I am concerned that the debate regarding the validity of global warming has now infiltrated into the UK.
You can thank the likes/ilk of Tony "Bush's Bitch" Blair.
And, more importantly, the slobbering, bloodlusting, delusional idiots who take them at their very word in hopes of making things more in "their image".
Whereyouthinkyougoing
15-02-2007, 03:32
http://foxnewsalert.ytmnd.com/Exactly!
Steel Butterfly
15-02-2007, 04:05
http://foxnewsalert.ytmnd.com/

heh...what song is that in the background?
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 06:42
heh...what song is that in the background?
"Escape" by Craig Armstrong, if the site profile (http://ytmnd.com/sites/profile/602789) is to be believed.
Motig
15-02-2007, 07:02
There is much scientific literature saying global warming isn't real. It really depends on who you believe. (If you are like me, you stopped caring long ago.) I have seen studies that have said that the global temperature is climbing, some saying that it is the same, and others that say the temperature is dropping (a couple of decades ago scientists even thought we were heading for an ice age). I have come to the conclusion that science doesn't know everything (surprise, surprise). No matter what, you can find an overwhelming number of studies and experts for each side.

I just know that by the time it makes an impact I will be dead. I don't and won't have kids, so... who cares? Which sounds terrible, but I only have one life to live... Might as well live it up.
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 07:22
There is much scientific literature saying global warming isn't real.
Seems to me that much of that literature is financially or politically motivated. (Hello, astroturf! (http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?ContentID=4870))

It really depends on who you believe.
Lessee... on the one hand, you've got the largest part of the world scientific community, with hard evidence, tough science, and little to no incentive to manufacture a global crisis. On the other hand, you've got oil companies, the US Administration (heavy ties to oil companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy_of_George_W._Bush#Environment)), and the power they have to manufacture/suppress scientific evidence as they see fit to serve a transparently pro-industry, anti-environmentalist agenda.

I wonder who we should believe...

(If you are like me, you stopped caring long ago.)
Ah.

I have seen studies that have said that the global temperature is climbing, some saying that it is the same, and others that say the temperature is dropping
You can find (or fund) studies that say almost anything. The question is: what is the consensus? That question has long been answered.

(a couple of decades ago scientists even thought we were heading for an ice age).
That was based on 1970s-era climatology (not that good) and drawn from extremely shortsighted data (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling#The_present_level_of_knowledge), geologically speaking. Modern global warming models are based on analysis of hundreds of thousands of years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Co2-temperature-plot.svg) of climate data, not just a few decades.

I have come to the conclusion that science doesn't know everything (surprise, surprise).
True. But they're pretty damn sure (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6321351.stm) about this.

No matter what, you can find an overwhelming number of studies and experts for each side.
Again, you can't cry controversy just because a handful of "experts" disagree. What are their qualifications? Their motivations?

I just know that by the time it makes an impact I will be dead. I don't and won't have kids, so... who cares? Which sounds terrible, but I only have one life to live... Might as well live it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjlJ_CS_xWw
New Ausha
15-02-2007, 07:33
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:


Modern Ignorance= Not conforming or taking belief in seccular progressive semi-facist scientific doctrine (I.E Global warming, evolution, Stem cell potential)

People need too relize thatit is fine too believe in something, but using a facist label of "ignorant" and "retarded" may..... not get the message across.... In essence, take your heads out of your asses and let people remain opinionated. Global warming may bring the end of human excistence....But some people wont believe it..... And that should be respected...
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 07:44
Modern Ignorance= Not conforming or taking belief in seccular progressive semi-facist scientific doctrine (I.E Global warming, evolution, Stem cell potential)

People need too relize thatit is fine too believe in something, but using a facist label of "ignorant" and "retarded" may..... not get the message across.... In essence, take your heads out of your asses and let people remain opinionated. Global warming may bring the end of human excistence....But some people wont believe it..... And that should be respected...

I'm sorry, but I cannot respect anyone who distills scientific fact into a matter of opinion, especially for petty political reasons and especially with such a vitally important issue as the future of life on this planet.
New Ausha
15-02-2007, 07:52
I'm sorry, but I cannot respect anyone who distills scientific fact into a matter of opinion, especially for petty political reasons and especially with such a vitally important issue as the future of life on this planet.

"petty political reasons and especially with such a vitally important issue as the future of life on this planet."

Thank you for furthering my point. Its the same thing as god really. I could say god created the grass yellow, and that this point was pure fact, and too disagree would be incredibly stupid.

As for the future of life on this planet, dont try too attack me on my position, for I havent stated my position. The only way too argue with me now regarding the issue is via strawman.
Free Soviets
15-02-2007, 07:53
There is much scientific literature saying global warming isn't real.

i'm sure you'll be providing us with, let's say, 5 citations from peer-reviewed journals to back this up, right?
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 09:05
"petty political reasons and especially with such a vitally important issue as the future of life on this planet."

Thank you for furthering my point. Its the same thing as god really. I could say god created the grass yellow, and that this point was pure fact, and too disagree would be incredibly stupid.
It would be incredibly stupid if you had solid scientific evidence that your opponents were too lazy, ignorant, or stubborn to heed.

As for the future of life on this planet, dont try too attack me on my position, for I havent stated my position. The only way too argue with me now regarding the issue is via strawman.
I never said that was your position, or even attack you at all, for that matter. I simply said that I have no respect for people who try to turn fact into opinion to serve their agenda, unwilling to consider the consequences of their subterfuge.
Bitchkitten
15-02-2007, 09:18
Seems to me that much of that literature is financially or politically motivated. (Hello, astroturf! (http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?ContentID=4870))


Lessee... on the one hand, you've got the largest part of the world scientific community, with hard evidence, tough science, and little to no incentive to manufacture a global crisis. On the other hand, you've got oil companies, the US Administration (heavy ties to oil companies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy_of_George_W._Bush#Environment)), and the power they have to manufacture/suppress scientific evidence as they see fit to serve a transparently pro-industry, anti-environmentalist agenda.

~snippage~Thankyou dear. You have shown that there is indeed intelligent life in Alabama.
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 09:44
Thankyou dear. You have shown that there is indeed intelligent life in Alabama.
I get that a lot. Not to denigrate myself, but the fact that so many people have said this makes me feel sorry for my own state. This stuff should be common sense. :(

Thanks, anyway.
Bitchkitten
15-02-2007, 09:59
I get that a lot. Not to denigrate myself, but the fact that so many people have said this makes me feel sorry for my own state. This stuff should be common sense. :(

Thanks, anyway.
You may notice I live in Oklahoma. Not exactly the center of enlightenment.
Free Soviets
15-02-2007, 10:03
You may notice I live in Oklahoma. Not exactly the center of enlightenment.

yeah, but does your governor want to exterminate the fresh-off-the-endangered-species-list wolves? or dam the rivers to prevent 'our water' from leaving the state?
Ifreann
15-02-2007, 10:54
This is America. America is stupid. Probably cause of Fox news
This raises an interesting question: Is America stupid because of Fox News, or is Fox News stupid because America is stupid?
Modern Ignorance= Not conforming or taking belief in seccular progressive semi-facist scientific doctrine (I.E Global warming, evolution, Stem cell potential)

People need too relize thatit is fine too believe in something, but using a facist label of "ignorant" and "retarded" may..... not get the message across.... In essence, take your heads out of your asses and let people remain opinionated. Global warming may bring the end of human excistence....But some people wont believe it..... And that should be respected...

We should let people continue to damage the enviroment, when doing so could very well destroy all life on this planet, because they don't believe that to be true?


Dude, what are you smoking?
Laerod
15-02-2007, 10:58
But I didn't think FOX would be less so.It isn't.
Khermi
15-02-2007, 11:03
America is stupid because that is how our government likes us. How else do you explain our general lack of scholarly knowledge while our government pumps more money into our education system than some 3rd and 2nd world nations have in total GDP.

Ohh and Global Warming phails at the scientific method.
Rhaomi
15-02-2007, 11:06
Ohh and Global Warming phails at the scientific method.
Your unorthodox spelling of the word "fail" has swayed me, Khermi. I'll never doubt big business again!
Cameroi
15-02-2007, 11:57
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:

i can answer that question in two words: "vested interests"

=^^=
.../\...
United Beleriand
15-02-2007, 12:27
Why is it always tHE Jews :confused:because there are no Jews. What we call Jews are actually the humanoid forms of reptilian transdimensional alien shapeshifters who are here on this plane of existence to steal and pollute our DNA so they can feed their psychic thirst for emotional energy.
Khermi
15-02-2007, 13:55
Your unorthodox spelling of the word "fail" has swayed me, Khermi. I'll never doubt big business again!

I'm happy to have served, for that is my calling :p
Ifreann
15-02-2007, 14:07
I'm happy to have served, for that is my calling :p

You're a waiter?
The Brevious
16-02-2007, 03:13
:eek: You're not helping your case there. *sniffle*
Wasn't that a typo?
Shouldn't it have read,
"burping puppies"?
The Brevious
16-02-2007, 03:14
Dude, what are you smoking?

Rhymes with "mole".
Alexandrian Ptolemais
16-02-2007, 03:49
The question I have to ask is, If the current climate models cannot even predict the El Nino/La Nina cycle that happens in the South Pacific; what chance do they have of predicting if there is to be global warming or not?
Free Soviets
16-02-2007, 04:11
The question I have to ask is, If the current climate models cannot even predict the El Nino/La Nina cycle that happens in the South Pacific; what chance do they have of predicting if there is to be global warming or not?

an excellent one. while the system is complex, it is not fundamentally inscrutable. in order to be utterly wrong about anthropogenic climate change, we'd have to be wrong about a number of basic concepts of physics and chemistry.
Khermi
16-02-2007, 10:50
You're a waiter?

My customer service skills are lacking in great quanities. So instead I fuel planes and (un)load luggage. I alsoo throw around your luggage and "lose" it when you piss off the girls at the tickey counter. Don't piss off a chef 'cause he'll spit in your food, don't piss off line service (bag boys) 'cause we'll lose your bag :D
Christmahanikwanzikah
16-02-2007, 10:53
My customer service skills are lacking in great quanities. So instead I fuel planes and (un)load luggage. I alsoo throw around your luggage and "lose" it when you piss off the girls at the tickey counter. Don't piss off a chef 'cause he'll spit in your food, don't piss off line service (bag boys) 'cause we'll lose your bag :D

hah. sounds like everything else in life.

honestly, i check on my food now all the time to make sure chefs/cooks dont spit in it... 'case i pissed them off ;)
The Plutonian Empire
16-02-2007, 11:30
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:
It doesn't? Why then, does minnesota barely get any snow anymore?! :mad:
Ifreann
16-02-2007, 11:40
Rhymes with "mole".
Coal?
My customer service skills are lacking in great quanities. So instead I fuel planes and (un)load luggage. I alsoo throw around your luggage and "lose" it when you piss off the girls at the tickey counter. Don't piss off a chef 'cause he'll spit in your food, don't piss off line service (bag boys) 'cause we'll lose your bag :D

Oh, you're one of those guys, whatsitcalled, baggage handlers. Yeah, the sooner we get robots to take over from you evil corrupt people the better. :p
UnHoly Smite
16-02-2007, 11:53
when it comes to Global Warming? I am listening to Fox News(what i do when i want a good chuckle), and they made it a point to mention two things:

1) a committee in DC on global warming was canceled because of cold weather
2) a showing of An Inconvienent Truth in St. Louis was canceled by a school, because of weather problems..

So why is it that people are so ignorant to think that global warming equates constant temperature rising, when it means that trends shows the temperatures do rise over time? Why do they think that it automatically means that in winter time, normally cold areas will be turned into lush tropical paradises? God, people need to grow brains.


:headbang:



When all else fails attack FoxNews.


Why do people think the global warming means during winter time normally cold areas will turn into lush tropical paradises? Hmmmm...Let me see here......Maybe it's because....Just making a wild guess here...because the american left has lead them to believe that? Which is why your environmentalism is failing with conservatives,
Free Soviets
16-02-2007, 12:07
Which is why your environmentalism is failing with conservatives,

nah, that's cause jeebus is coming any day now
The Brevious
17-02-2007, 09:02
When all else fails attack FoxNews.


Why do people think the global warming means during winter time normally cold areas will turn into lush tropical paradises? Hmmmm...Let me see here......Maybe it's because....Just making a wild guess here...because the american left has lead them to believe that? Which is why your environmentalism is failing with conservatives,
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/national/08warm.html?ex=1297054800&en=c3998565b07f9657&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

...Here's Your Sign.
The Brevious
17-02-2007, 09:03
Coal?

Well, that rhymes better than "conjunctivitis", so i guess it'll work.
Andaras Prime
17-02-2007, 10:03
I wouldn't be surprised if some American came out and said Jesus will be returning soon to take Americans to heaven, so we don't need to do anything about climate change.
Chesser Scotia
17-02-2007, 10:21
:headbang: Why does no one seem to remember that this period of the earth's history is virtually unique in as much as we have 2 ice caps at the moment. We are in the midst of what was perhaps the Ice Age of all Ice Ages. Ice ages don't require wooly mammoths to be roaming about, but lets face it, we have bears and penguins and stuff that in a few centuries/millennia, people will wonder what life was like when they were around. Of course the planet is getting warmer. It gets warmer and cooler and warmer and cooler all of its own accord and why are we so presumptious as to think we can do anything about it and that it is our fault?
All I will say is that Edinburgh Zoo won't be the same once the Penguins die out!

'mon the Penguins!
Rhaomi
17-02-2007, 10:45
I wouldn't be surprised if some American came out and said Jesus will be returning soon to take Americans to heaven, so we don't need to do anything about climate change.
My mom thinks this. I'm not kidding.

:headbang: Why does no one seem to remember that this period of the earth's history is virtually unique in as much as we have 2 ice caps at the moment. We are in the midst of what was perhaps the Ice Age of all Ice Ages. Ice ages don't require wooly mammoths to be roaming about, but lets face it, we have bears and penguins and stuff that in a few centuries/millennia, people will wonder what life was like when they were around. Of course the planet is getting warmer. It gets warmer and cooler and warmer and cooler all of its own accord and why are we so presumptious as to think we can do anything about it and that it is our fault?
All I will say is that Edinburgh Zoo won't be the same once the Penguins die out!

'mon the Penguins!
:rolleyes:

Earth has always had two ice caps, AFAIK.

If this is an ice age, why are we experiencing the warmest temperatures recorded in the last 650,000 years?

And yes, Earth goes through warming and cooling cycles, but this heat spike is far beyond any natural high seen at any point in the history of the planet.

Just watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De7HgR2nw5A).
Khermi
17-02-2007, 11:12
Oh, you're one of those guys, whatsitcalled, baggage handlers. Yeah, the sooner we get robots to take over from you evil corrupt people the better. :p

Be carefull I might just go lose your luggage next, since you've discovered my dastardly plot to hold the world at ransom by way of people's luggage!

If this is an ice age, why are we experiencing the warmest temperatures recorded in the last 650,000 years?

Now you see I had heard otherwise. That around the 11th or 12th century, the temperatures were upwards of 8 degrees warmer than they are now. I think this is why you have two groups who debate eachother so fiercely ... we reiterate claims made by reputable scientist/climatologist who can't even agree with eachother on the 'apparent' facts. I stand by my earlier claim, however, that Global Warming doesn't stand up to scientific proof, IE: the scientific method; namely the part where you test your hypothesis.
Rhaomi
17-02-2007, 11:22
Now you see I had heard otherwise. That around the 11th or 12th century, the temperatures were upwards of 8 degrees warmer than they are now. I think this is why you have two groups who debate eachother so fiercely ... we reiterate claims made by reputable scientist/climatologist who can't even agree with eachother on the 'apparent' facts. I stand by my earlier claim, however, that Global Warming doesn't stand up to scientific proof, IE: the scientific method; namely the part where you test your hypothesis.
*sigh*

This is long-term climate change we're talking about, so stop piddling around with such (geologically) insignificant periods such as centuries where short-term anamolies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png) are pervasive and look at the bigger picture:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/63/Co2-temperature-plot.svg/800px-Co2-temperature-plot.svg.png

Again, it is clear that Earth has gone through warm and cool cycles. But it is also clear that present and future conditions are far beyond anything seen in nature.
Khermi
17-02-2007, 15:45
Your little chart only goes back 650,000 years but you boast that the Earth has never seen anything like this. Bold yet false claims since your chart doesn't span Earth's 4.5 billion year history, which is why your argument is moot. And perhaps it's because I'm lacking large amounts of sleep and don't have on my glasses but, the CO2 levels (Assuming this chart is accurate) are high but I don't see any mention that the Temperature is up there too. Your assertions are that of the temperature, not CO2 levels. And if centuries is piddling, what do you call a couple hundred millennia in the span of the Earth's vast life? I'd wager not much more than a piddle. Perhaps ... a paddle?

Lastly, however, is your citing wikipedia as a credible source. I can't speak for other people, but on a site where anyone can edit what you have written, credibility seems to be lacking in vast quanities. Especially in an arguement. I'd try citing a better source next time.
Rhaomi
17-02-2007, 22:17
Your little chart only goes back 650,000 years but you boast that the Earth has never seen anything like this. Bold yet false claims since your chart doesn't span Earth's 4.5 billion year history, which is why your argument is moot.
What's your point? Billions of years ago, Earth was a slag heap. Weather conditions during a time characterized by volcanoes, asteroids, and a lack of large oceans have no bearing on the present situation. I think it would be prudent to consider the climate history of a period where the planet had a climate remotely similar to ours, no?

And perhaps it's because I'm lacking large amounts of sleep and don't have on my glasses but, the CO2 levels (Assuming this chart is accurate) are high but I don't see any mention that the Temperature is up there too. Your assertions are that of the temperature, not CO2 levels.
That's because the relationship between CO2 and temperature is not instant. We've been releasing steadily increasing amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere since the 1800s (and only really started ratcheting it up in the last few decades), and we're just now starting to see the effects of it on the climate. Sure, on the chart, CO2 and temperature seem to match perfectly, but the very slight lag between the two could translate into a century or more.

And if centuries is piddling, what do you call a couple hundred millennia in the span of the Earth's vast life? I'd wager not much more than a piddle. Perhaps ... a paddle?
Again, weather conditions in Earth's distant past have no bearing on our current climate. The environment was radically different back then.

Lastly, however, is your citing wikipedia as a credible source. I can't speak for other people, but on a site where anyone can edit what you have written, credibility seems to be lacking in vast quanities. Especially in an arguement. I'd try citing a better source next time.
More Wikipedia bashing. Well, you've no doubt notice that some articles on the site are marked with tags indicating potential bias or conflicts of interest. I find it interesting that an issue as contentious as global warming has no such tags.

Another plus about this being a controversial, high-profile article is that all changes are heavily scrutinized by both sides, and that no information can get in unless it is properly cited and sourced. See: Notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming#Notes), Further Reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming#Further_reading), and External Links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming#External_links).