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No.

After reading the article about how the school in Africa won't let uncircumsized boys in, there's gotta be an NSG poll on it.

So its up...

Yes or no?

*Edit*

I made this a private poll so you can vote without broadcasting it over NSG if you don't feel like it. Though some of you probably will.

Nope.

*plays with foreskin*

No.

No, my parents were European and therefore didn't believe in proper hygiene.

Yes, thank goodness.

yes.

Yes, thank goodness.
Don't honestly see the benefits myself.

I'm personally glad I'm not.

Apparently theres some evidence that those of you who are circumsized literally feel less than those of us who aren't.

I'll see if I can find that.

don't know how true that is, but it isn't exactly like sex isn't enjoyable if you are circumcised

I'm personally glad I'm not.

Apparently theres some evidence that those of you who are circumsized literally feel less than those of us who aren't.

I'll see if I can find that.

Don't honestly see the benefits myself.

Andaluciae said it best:


SMEGMA

Don't honestly see the benefits myself.

it was invented to discourage masturbation I do believe maybe that’s where I went wrong :p

I made this thread once.


And yes I am circumcised, thank Heavens.

Andaluciae said it best:


SMEGMA
Due to the magic of washing, this is easily combatted.

no

don't know how true that is, but it isn't exactly like sex isn't enjoyable if you are circumcised

I read somewhere that circumcised men last longer than uncircumcised men during intercourse because they aren't as sensitive.

as to the OP, no I am not, and I am very happy about it.

don't know how true that is, but it isn't exactly like sex isn't enjoyable if you are circumcised

sex with a hoover is also enjoyable doesn't mean I'd do it

well I would but thats not the point...

SMEGMA

natures lube :)

Actually I am, though I had no say in it. I was circumcised as a baby, so I'm kind of stuck with it now, though its not quite as bad as people think it is.

As in being circumcised, not the process of doing it. I imagine the pain would be excruciating. I can't remember, because, like I said, I was a baby at the time. Though they say I cried horribly.

Anyway, I don't beleive that it makes a difference, and if I should have male children, I would most likely not do it to them. My future family's religious beleifs will not require it, I hope.

don't know how true that is, but it isn't exactly like sex isn't enjoyable if you are circumcised

Well its not like you could make a comparison, is it?

as to the OP, no I am not, and I am very happy about it.

I bet you are smunkee

Due to the magic of washing, this is easily combatted.

Its like penis boogars. But I wash it in the shower just like I blow my nose when I need to. No big deal. Never had smegma.

I read somewhere that circumcised men last longer than uncircumcised men during intercourse because they aren't as sensitive.

as to the OP, no I am not, and I am very happy about it.

If you like that sort of thing, Smunkee. ;) But how long do you really want him to last? 30, 40 years, maybe, but then a girl's gonna want some peace and quiet.

Well its not like you could make a comparison, is it?


hence why I said "don't know how true that is".....

Its like penis boogars. But I wash it in the shower just like I blow my nose when I need to. No big deal. Never had smegma.
Yeah, same here.

No, and I can think of no good reason why I'd want to be.

Due to the magic of washing, this is easily combatted.
Precisely.

No, I think it's a horrible practice.

Its like penis boogars. But I wash it in the shower just like I blow my nose when I need to. No big deal. Never had smegma.

Penis Boogers? EWWW!!

Penis Boogers? EWWW!!
Yeah, I was eating when I read that. :rolleyes:

No. Mutilation is unnecessary.

no
How exactly would a female be circumcised anyway? What would that involve?

How exactly would a female be circumcised anyway? What would that involve?

A lot. It's described in the other circumcision threads.

How exactly would a female be circumcised anyway? What would that involve?

There's a thread out there already. It ain't pretty.

Yay foreskin! *does foreskin dance*

Don't think too much about that.

How exactly would a female be circumcised anyway? What would that involve?

Removal of the clitoral hood?

Removal of the clitoral hood?

That's just the analogy to male circumcision. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision).

There's a thread out there already. It ain't pretty.
Well I know that it isn't anything as radical as female genital mutilation (I had to read an article on this recently by Martha Nussbaum). She did mention female circumcision, but only in a negative sense (ie what it isn't).

All your uncircumsized guys will end up with mastorbatory madness!

That's just the analogy to male circumcision. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_circumcision).

I've heard the noise from the thread. I'd be screwed had I suggested female circumcision was the similar female procedure to male circumcision, which It seemed as though he was asking for.

Well I know that it isn't anything as radical as female genital mutilation (I had to read an article on this recently by Martha Nussbaum). She did mention female circumcision, but only in a negative sense (ie what it isn't).

Hmm ... I don't make a distinction between the two terms, having heard "female circumcision" used where what is meant is "female genital mutilation." A bit of semantics, that. I guess if you want to be very specific, removal of the clitoral hood would be the analogous procedure to male circumcision.

On a side note, I image one of these days we'll be saying, "Yeah, and remember all those circumcision threads that appeared around Valentine's Day? Wierd, huh?"

Circumsicion, mutilation...whatever you want to call it. Nobody's getting near my mysterious lady parts with a scalpel.

I haven't been circumcised. I'm not too bothered.

Girls I know don't like uncircumcised penises. The way it sorta oozes out of the foreskin like toothpaste in the tube is gross, as well as the animalistic, pointy looking way it looks.

Well, thats what I hear.

I had to get circumcised because my cock was just too big for humanity as a whole to deal with.

Not the female circumsizion debate again! Go do that in the other thread.

No circumsizion for me, no scapel coming near my man parts! Although sometimes I do fear I shall catch mastabatory maddness, which is apperently the main reason for almost every guy in the US being cut.

Circumsicion, mutilation...whatever you want to call it. Nobody's getting near my mysterious lady parts with a scalpel.

Zactly. Ick.

All your uncircumsized guys will end up with mastorbatory madness!
Small price to pay. :)

Hmm ... I don't make a distinction between the two terms, having heard "female circumcision" used where what is meant is "female genital mutilation." A bit of semantics, that. I guess if you want to be very specific, removal of the clitoral hood would be the analogous procedure to male circumcision.
She essentially likened FGM to having half your penis cut off. I can see why they have to coerce young females into it - it seems horribly painful; certainly not something one would enter freely.

Not the female circumsizion debate again! Go do that in the other thread ...

Yeah, sorry, someone asked.

Not the female circumsizion debate again! Go do that in the other thread.
Heh, I'm just asking what it involves, not sparking a debate.

Not the female circumsizion debate again! Go do that in the other thread.

No circumsizion for me, no scapel coming near my man parts! Although sometimes I do fear I shall catch mastabatory maddness, which is apperently the main reason for almost every guy in the US being cut.

WTF?!

How exactly would a female be circumcised anyway? What would that involve?

well its done on a girl who is no longer a baby but hasnt reached puberty yet. what is done depends on the culture the parents come from. sometimes it involves removing as little as is removed in male circumcision; sometimes it involves such a radical procedure that the girl has trouble menstruating, having sex and giving birth. such radical procedures make it impossible to enjoy sex sometimes making it extremely painful also.

Andaluciae said it best:


SMEGMA

God damn it, I'm eating right now! :(

And no, thankfully, I am not circumsized.

Nope. And I'm really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really glad I'm not.

WTF?!

Either it has to do with masturbation being easier for those of us who are uncircumsized, since we don't need anywhere near as much lubrication, or it's that old myth about masterbation driving you insane. It may actually be partially both, since you can prevent "masterbation madness" by making it harder to masturbate. That is, if such a disease existed, which it of course does not.

*looks down*

Nope...

Either it has to do with masturbation being easier for those of us who are uncircumsized, since we don't need anywhere near as much lubrication, or it's that old myth about masterbation driving you insane. It may actually be partially both, since you can prevent "masterbation madness" by making it harder to masturbate. That is, if such a disease existed, which it of course does not.

From what I've heard, circumcised men have no trouble at all with masturbation. And is that like Reefer Madness? Or maybe like Kiefer Madness, in the final stages of which the victim sits in front of a television replaying Flatliners over and over and over?

WTF?!

In the early to mid 20th century USA, there was lot of worries about mastabatory madness in adolescent boys. Of course it dosen't exist but it was a good way for Quacks to get rich. Once cure was circumsizion, it caught it on and spread around and after mastabatory maddness was realised to be false, they carried on doing it anyway because they didn't want their kids to be differant from all the other boys.

In the early to mid 20th century USA, there was lot of worries about mastabatory madness in adolescent boys. Of course it dosen't exist but it was a good way for Quacks to get rich. Once cure was circumsizion, it caught it on and spread around and after mastabatory maddness was realised to be false, they carried on doing it anyway because they didn't want their kids to be differant from all the other boys.

never heard of it.

never heard of it.

It was a while ago, if you google it you can find some interesting articles.

I'm actually fairly surprised at the ratio for who is and who isn't. I thought it'd be closer to 50/50.

Or at least 33/67.

Let me say once more that I'm quite glad I'm not.

I'm actually fairly surprised at the ratio for who is and who isn't. I thought it'd be closer to 50/50.

Or at least 33/67.

Me too.

Let me say once more that I'm quite glad I'm not.

And why is that?

I've often heard that women prefer men who are circumsized. The reasons vary but the most often heard one is hygeine.

I've also heard the opposite of what some of you have said, regarding the degree of pleasure felt. Frankly I dont know how you could quantitatively that one.

I've often heard that women prefer men who are circumsized. The reasons vary but the most often heard one is hygeine.

I've also heard the opposite of what some of you have said, regarding the degree of pleasure felt. Frankly I dont know how you could quantitatively that one.

"On a scale of 1 to 10, sir, where 1 is kissing your sister and 10 is ... well, we know what 10 is, how would you rate that orgasm?"

From what I've heard, circumcised men have no trouble at all with masturbation. And is that like Reefer Madness? Or maybe like Kiefer Madness, in the final stages of which the victim sits in front of a television replaying Flatliners over and over and over?

I don't know about the masturbation madness, since I was not exposed to any of those myths till I started doing research on masturbation for the hell of it, but circumsized men do find it somewhat more difficult to masturbate, if only because it's harder to create the friction and movement along the shaft without the foreskin. Basically, they need more lubrication to achieve the same thing. So, it's more like it's just trickier rather than difficult.

No. Mutilation is unnecessary.

lmao

I've often heard that women prefer men who are circumsized. The reasons vary but the most often heard one is hygeine.

I've also heard the opposite of what some of you have said, regarding the degree of pleasure felt. Frankly I dont know how you could quantitatively that one.

I never had a circumsized guy, but I can't imagine it would be much better than with uncircumsized guys...

I'm actually fairly surprised at the ratio for who is and who isn't. I thought it'd be closer to 50/50.

Or at least 33/67.
Well there are quite a few Europeans on here - I think it's Jews and Americans who mostly take to circumcision.

Let me say once more that I'm quite glad I'm not.
Amen to that. :D

It was a while ago, if you google it you can find some interesting articles.

didn't find anything other than the "does masturbating cause blindness" stuff, but I have lived in America for awhile and I haven't ever heard anyone say that the reason for circumcision was to "prevent masturbation"
:rolleyes:

I've often heard that women prefer men who are circumsized. The reasons vary but the most often heard one is hygeine.

I've also heard the opposite of what some of you have said, regarding the degree of pleasure felt. Frankly I dont know how you could quantitatively that one.

The first time I saw an uncircumsized guy, I started giggling.

I do prefer circumsized, because
a) the guys tend to keep up with me longer and
b) all the uncircumsized guys had this big attitude about "See? I'm intact. You should be turned on by that. Rawr." and it just didn't work for me.

Other experiences may vary. :)

Circumcised here. I think I've got what's described as a 'high and loose' circumcision. I like being circumcised - it makes my Prince Albert more noticeable!

The first time I saw an uncircumsized guy, I started giggling.
Well, to be honest, I find uncircumcised guys to be hotter. :)

didn't find anything other than the "does masturbating cause blindness" stuff, but I have lived in America for awhile and I haven't ever heard anyone say that the reason for circumcision was to "prevent masturbation"
:rolleyes:

Medical circumcision from 1870 to 1950 in English-speaking countries
...In this climate, circumcision could be employed as a means of discouraging masturbation.[24] All About the Baby, a popular parenting book of the 1890s, recommended infant circumcision for precisely this purpose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_circumcision

And this : http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_myths.html

didn't find anything other than the "does masturbating cause blindness" stuff, but I have lived in America for awhile and I haven't ever heard anyone say that the reason for circumcision was to "prevent masturbation"
:rolleyes:

We had a debate on this anther forum, another theory was that circumcision was widespread in the US due it being controlled by Zionists.

b) all the uncircumsized guys had this big attitude about "See? I'm intact. You should be turned on by that. Rawr." and it just didn't work for me.

I call penile discrimination. *nodnod*

Look up "circumcision" on Wikipedia, and compare the pics of the circumcised and uncircumcised penii. The uncircumcised one looks disgusting.

Well, to be honest, I find uncircumcised guys to be hotter. :)

Same here. :)

Look up "circumcision" on Wikipedia, and compare the pics of the circumcised and uncircumcised penii. The uncircumcised one looks disgusting.
Eh, I can't see much difference really. They're both tiny though.

Look up "circumcision" on Wikipedia, and compare the pics of the circumcised and uncircumcised penii. The uncircumcised one looks disgusting.

You're silly.

Of course not. My parents may have been cunts, but they weren't the sort of barbaric bastards to take a knife to their child's genitals.

Ugh, it's so revolting.

You're silly.

He's right there... but that's more due to the fact that the pubic hair is neither trimmed nor shaved... *yuck

To be honest that isn't that much of a turn-off... that he is so tiny, on the other hand, is.

I've seen smaller ones...

He's right there... but that's more due to the fact that the pubic hair is neither trimmed nor shaved... *yuck

It's like a second afro!

He's right there... but that's more due to the fact that the pubic hair is neither trimmed nor shaved... *yuck
To be honest that isn't that much of a turn-off... that he is so tiny, on the other hand, is.

Of course not. My parents may have been cunts, but they weren't the sort of barbaric bastards to take a knife to their child's genitals.

Ugh, it's so revolting.

:rolleyes:

Magic 8 ball is hazy, try again later.

*Looks at clean foreskin*

"On a scale of 1 to 10, sir, where 1 is kissing your sister and 10 is ... well, we know what 10 is, how would you rate that orgasm?"

Hehe so in that lab I wonder how they produce the orgasm to be rated :D

Hehe so in that lab I wonder how they produce the orgasm to be rated :D

Some details need to be worked out. I think a standard stimulation would be needed, otherwise the results would be ... skewed?

Some details need to be worked out. I think a standard stimulation would be needed, otherwise the results would be ... skewed?

Don't they have those little implants that give out electrical pulses every so often? Or did I just make that up in a fit of wishfulness?

Some details need to be worked out. I think a standard stimulation would be needed, otherwise the results would be ... skewed?

Oh I dunno I was thinking more in terms of fluffers :D:eek:

Yes thank god. I haven't bathed since december, so being circed is the most wonderful thing in the world, since it enables me to be as lazy as I am. Plus, uncut penises are really freaking UGLY! :eek: It irritates me when I'm watching a porno and to see that the penis in it is uncut.

Circed penii are very beautiful, IMHO. :fluffle:

yeppers.

Yes thank god. I haven't bathed since december
I'm not sure if circumcision is an excuse for that....

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Yes thank god. I haven't bathed since december

So thats why you don't want to have sex, it would mean you have to wash.

Don't they have those little implants that give out electrical pulses every so often? Or did I just make that up in a fit of wishfulness?
There is that neurological condition that causes you to have an orgasm every time you yawn. Or something.

Oh I dunno I was thinking more in terms of fluffers :D:eek:
:eek: :D What?

So thats why you don't want to have sex, it would mean you have to wash.
That's not it. :rolleyes:

There is that neurological condition that causes you to have an orgasm every time you yawn. Or something.

It would certainly liven up those very boring business meetings. :D

It would certainly liven up those very boring business meetings. :D

ZOMG, yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

Why would you be happy about it if you were?

I like the looks of my circumcision. I'm still debating hotly with myself whether I'd rather my kid be circumsized or not. I feel like I should let nature do what it wants. But nature in that area seems ugly to me....

I think my wife doesn't want our kid circumsized. I think my decision was made for me.

whats with everyone's sudden intrest in Circumcision?:rolleyes:

*plays with foreskin*

* Plays with a can full of dried foreskins *

Here's some TMI. I caught a soccer cleat. Works just the same. :eek:

Well there are quite a few Europeans on here - I think it's Jews and Americans who mostly take to circumcision.


Amen to that. :D

And Muslims too.

Well there are quite a few Europeans on here - I think it's Jews and Americans who mostly take to circumcision.


Amen to that. :D

And a few women, too, I voted no, as did Smunkee. Should have included a joke option.

And a few women, too, I voted no, as did Smunkee. Should have included a joke option.
Me too. That's what he gets for making the poll like that. *nods*

Me too. That's what he gets for making the poll like that. *nods*

Just so. *looks out window at the snow coming down* Okay, I'm going home. Can we talk about something other than snipping off bits of people's genitals tomorrow?

Nö.
Nein.
Näh.
Nee.

Our scan shows you are only minimally circumcised. We can help correct this.

Im not, but im not too bothered really one way or the other

Im also suprised that their are so many cut people, I only know one other person who is cut.

no, i have a mighty foreskin

Why is it everyone's talking about circumcision these days? It's like some twisted version of that beatles song:

Well you say you don't want a circumcision, welll, you know.
We all wanna decent foreskin
But when you talk about people with minds that hate
Brother don't you know you'll have to waaaait.

I've seen smaller ones...
With what, a microscope? :eek:

And a few women, too, I voted no, as did Smunkee. Should have included a joke option.


Wait...you are a girl? :eek:

where have I been?

Wait...you are a girl? :eek:

where have I been?

How did you not know that?


No, I am not circumsized, seems a bit pointless really.

How did you not know that?



I just figured everyone was a guy here, unless they stated otherwise.. I guess i missed the point that she mentioned that... oooh well!

Im not, but im not too bothered really one way or the other

Im also suprised that their are so many cut people, I only know one other person who is cut.
Not sure where you live, but in the US, being circumsized is about as common as being uncircumsized is in Europe.

I had my asshole circumsized- :(

Not sure where you live, but in the US, being circumsized is about as common as being uncircumsized is in Europe.

There's a reason why American porn is more popular.

Yeah, I was circumcised soon after being born. It's probably theleast cruel thing my family put me through and frankly, people who equate circumcision with mutilation or child abuse have no concept of either term. It may be unnecessary, but I have yet to experience any detriment.

Absolutely!

Andaluciae said it best:


SMEGMA

Rinse. Repeat.

It's weird, I used to think most boys were circumcised.

Honestly, it's not cruel (for males. Female "circumcision" is a totally different subject), it improves hygiene (makes it easier, anyways), and if I had any more sensitivity during sex, my head would probably explode...

And, no, not that head.

Yeah, I was circumcised soon after being born. It's probably theleast cruel thing my family put me through and frankly, people who equate circumcision with mutilation or child abuse have no concept of either term. It may be unnecessary, but I have yet to experience any detriment.

Just because you don't find it too offensive, doesn't make it not mutilation.

It is removing one of the integral parts of the anatomy, with which the body functions perfectly well. Circumcision is not really any different to removing the nose or lips, or one of the many fingers. The fact that this particular barbaric practise is considered 'okay' in some parts of the world that like to pretend to 'civilisation', does not mean it is civilised.

I never had a circumsized guy, but I can't imagine it would be much better than with uncircumsized guys...

My wife is Jewish, and was surprised to end up with an uncircumsised guy in America. But she quickly learned to love it. I won't go into the gorey details, but one thing I've noticed with past lovers is that they think I touch them differently than other guys.

Now the head under a foreskin is very tender. It's uncomfortable to touch it, or even have it contact soft underwear. A foreskin is analagous to the hood of a clitoris, just like the head itself is analogous to the clitoris.

Circumsised men develop a tougher skin on the head due to the absense of the foreskin's protection, as such they loose a lot of sensitivity. Most of the pleasure from sex comes from the muscular activity which is pressure sensitive, not touch sensitive, so simple performance doesn't get affected much either way.

However, when I touch a woman's clitoris I touch it like I would touch myself. Carefully. Most women notice the difference, and really like it. The bisexual girl I had a one-night-stand with said I touched her like a woman and kissed her like a South American drug dealer.

Rinse. Repeat.

Totally. It's like, rip out your armpits to avoid BO.

Just because you don't find it too offensive, doesn't make it not mutilation.

Just because you do doesn't make it mutilation either.

It is removing one of the integral parts of the anatomy, with which the body functions perfectly well. Circumcision is not really any different to removing the nose or lips, or one of the many fingers.

Uh, with the exception that without a finger your manual dexterity and hand function is limited, and without the nose you are horribly scarred for life and are missing one of the five senses, and without the lips you are ugly and will probably never kiss a girl ever.

Yeah, other than that it's exactly like that. In fact, it's just like being ass-raped with a rusty iron dildo and left to die on scalding hot Arizona desert train tracks. Horror.

The fact that this particular barbaric practise is considered 'okay' in some parts of the world that like to pretend to 'civilisation', does not mean it is civilised.

Civilization is not "pretended." We live in a city-building society, ergo civilized. But I understand you feel the need to spit out "barbaric" and "uncivilized" in order to make it sound worse by appeals to emotions. It's the same way people do the exact same thing with Muslims. Oh those barbarians.

Not a very convincing argument however.

From what I've heard, circumcised men have no trouble at all with masturbation. And is that like Reefer Madness? Or maybe like Kiefer Madness, in the final stages of which the victim sits in front of a television replaying Flatliners over and over and over?

It was believed that circumsision would help eliminate masturbation back in the victorian era, and that is why it became popular with Western Christians. Now that we know that's not the reason we have had to come up with other reasons why we have this stupid practice. Like having Christmas because it's Jesus' birthday, not because we're practicing a pagan religion that's more fun than Christianity.

Totally. It's like, rip out your armpits to avoid BO.

Really. I'm not seeing the 'clean' argument. Where does the 'waste' from a circumcised penis go, with no foreskin? Simple - it gets smeared all over the inside of your knickers.

Is a circumcised penis 'cleaner' than an uncircumcised? No - it's just you can get away with being lazy. And, personally, being too lazy to clean up your junk sounds like way tooooo lazy to me.

Just because you do doesn't make it mutilation either.


A dictionary definition (medical definition - lay definitions are pretty much irrelevent) gives us: Mutilation - Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of a conspicuous or essential part of the body.

The prepuce is a conspicuous part of the body. Removing it is thus, mutilation.


Uh, with the exception that without a finger your manual dexterity and hand function is limited, and without the nose you are horribly scarred for life and are missing one of the five senses, and without the lips you are ugly and will probably never kiss a girl ever.

Yeah, other than that it's exactly like that. In fact, it's just like being ass-raped with a rusty iron dildo and left to die on scalding hot Arizona desert train tracks. Horror.


The loss of one finger would make little or no difference to manual dexterity, overall. The loss of the nose would limit the sensitivity of one sense - but probably not remove it completely. 'Ugliness' is in the eye of the beholder - I personally find the circumcised penis quite ugly.

So - the loss of the foreskin, which limits sensitivity - is a pretty direct parallel to loss of one meager finger. Loss of the foreskin, which reduces the ability to feel, is pretty much a good parallel for loss of the nose. Loss of the foreskin which makes the body part 'ugly' is a direct parallel for loss of the lips.

Indeed - your biggest argument against most of those mutilations is that they seem unattractive to you... and yet you think I am appealing to emotion?


Civilization is not "pretended." We live in a city-building society, ergo civilized. But I understand you feel the need to spit out "barbaric" and "uncivilized" in order to make it sound worse by appeals to emotions. It's the same way people do the exact same thing with Muslims. Oh those barbarians.

Not a very convincing argument however.

'Civilisation' is pretended. I don't consider a culture that has members that cannot afford to eat, that cannot find accomodation... that are treated as lesser beings for reason of gender, race, age... to be really 'civilised'. Such a culture might wish to be, and might name itself as such - but that doesn't mean it is so.

And so with the mutilations. I don't think cultures that encourage ritualised rape, female genital mutilation, bride stealing, male genital mutilation... any of those things... I don't think any of them can really claim 'civilisation'. And the reason I say 'barbaric', is because we maintain practises that are barbaric. There is no appeal to emotion - it is simply stating the facts.

So - the loss of the foreskin, which limits sensitivity - is a pretty direct parallel to loss of one meager finger. Loss of the foreskin, which reduces the ability to feel, is pretty much a good parallel for loss of the nose. Loss of the foreskin which makes the body part 'ugly' is a direct parallel for loss of the lips.

Indeed - your biggest argument against most of those mutilations is that they seem unattractive to you... and yet you think I am appealing to emotion?

Hey, man. Have you ever thought there's a gain in every loss? Since many men cut away their foreskins daily, have you ever considered transplanting yourself a second one?

A dictionary definition (medical definition - lay definitions are pretty much irrelevent) gives us: Mutilation - Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of a conspicuous or essential part of the body.

The prepuce is a conspicuous part of the body. Removing it is thus, mutilation.

Fingernails are "conspicuous" too. Therefore clipping my fingernails is self mutilation and barbaric according to your handy definition and stretch of logic.

The loss of one finger would make little or no difference to manual dexterity, overall.

As a piano player I have to strongly disagree.

The loss of the nose would limit the sensitivity of one sense - but probably not remove it completely. 'Ugliness' is in the eye of the beholder - I personally find the circumcised penis quite ugly.

Okay, find me someone who thinks a person whose nose has been removed is attractive.

So - the loss of the foreskin, which limits sensitivity

Nonsense. I'm sensitive.

- is a pretty direct parallel to loss of one meager finger.

Nah.

Loss of the foreskin, which reduces the ability to feel

See above.

, is pretty much a good parallel for loss of the nose.

You're really reaching here.

Indeed - your biggest argument against most of those mutilations is that they seem unattractive to you... and yet you think I am appealing to emotion?

They are unattractive to anyone, because unlike circumcision, they are universally considered mutilation or disfigurement and injury. My biggest argument is that you are trying to turn a fingernail clipping into equivalent of being a quadruple amputee.

'Civilisation' is pretended. I don't consider a culture that has members that cannot afford to eat, that cannot find accomodation... that are treated as lesser beings for reason of gender, race, age... to be really 'civilised'. Such a culture might wish to be, and might name itself as such - but that doesn't mean it is so.


a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained

Your own subjective opinions don't really have bearing on whether something is civilized or not. Anymore than the nazi viewpoint about subhuman, inferior Jews does.

And so with the mutilations. I don't think cultures that encourage ritualised rape, female genital mutilation, bride stealing, male genital mutilation... any of those things... I don't think any of them can really claim 'civilisation'. And the reason I say 'barbaric', is because we maintain practises that are barbaric. There is no appeal to emotion - it is simply stating the facts.

"barbaric" is not "fact." You're really disappointing me here. Morality is not absolute, and you're trying to say I'm MALE GENITAL MUTILATED and therefore the entire Western society is BARBARIC. 'Fact?' Please.

Face it, the benefits of circumcision are neglible. Though aesthetically I prefer circumsized, it's because it's what I'm used to. I'm sure I'd get over it, espescially with the right incentive.

After reading the article about how the school in Africa won't let uncircumsized boys in, there's gotta be an NSG poll on it.

So its up...

Yes or no?

*Edit*

I made this a private poll so you can vote without broadcasting it over NSG if you don't feel like it. Though some of you probably will.

Nope, sorry.

"barbaric" is not "fact." You're really disappointing me here. Morality is not absolute, and you're trying to say I'm MALE GENITAL MUTILATED and therefore the entire Western society is BARBARIC. 'Fact?' Please.
Your inferior Western mind cannot grasp the force of the argument he is making Untermensch. <.<

Circed penii are very beautiful, IMHO. :fluffle:

As much as it amuses me to keep hearing people say it, the plural of penis is not penii.

I'm circumsized, and I don't really have any problem with it. I don't think I've suffered any ill effects from the procedure.

Face it,
I think, once you already face it, whether it is circumcised or not isn't your primary concern.

Fingernails are "conspicuous" too. Therefore clipping my fingernails is self mutilation and barbaric according to your handy definition and stretch of logic.


Not my definition. It is a dictionary definition, froma medical source.

Perhaps trimming hair and nails does constitute mutilation - I think the argument generally would be that hair and nails aren't truly 'live' tissue - and thus, mutilation is no more a factor of trimming them than it is of buffing dead skin cells.

Your appeal to ridicule is pretty pathetic.


As a piano player I have to strongly disagree.


So what - a nine fingered person cannot play piano? Most people would find little real loss in missing one finger. Much like the case of circumcision.


Okay, find me someone who thinks a person whose nose has been removed is attractive.


I've known people that found people attractive despite pretty extreme facial 'damage'. Some people see below the superficial.


Nonsense. I'm sensitive.


But, perhaps, not as sensitive as if you were uncircumcised.


Nah.


Oh, an unsupported refutation. I guess you win that one... :rolleyes:


You're really reaching here.


No - really not. Loss of some 'sensitivity' versus loss of some sensitivity. Loss of some flesh versus loss of some flesh. Pretty close parallel.


They are unattractive to anyone, because unlike circumcision, they are universally considered mutilation or disfigurement and injury. My biggest argument is that you are trying to turn a fingernail clipping into equivalent of being a quadruple amputee.


No - the fingernail thing is your strawman. I didn't mention them. But, nice attempt.

Many people consider circumcision to be mutilation... your argument that these other things are mutilation because they are universally considered to be so... logically - circumcision will be mutilation if more people think so than otherwise, right?


Your own subjective opinions don't really have bearing on whether something is civilized or not. Anymore than the nazi viewpoint about subhuman, inferior Jews does.


Well done. First to go there. I consider that your notice of retirement... yes?


"barbaric" is not "fact." You're really disappointing me here. Morality is not absolute, and you're trying to say I'm MALE GENITAL MUTILATED and therefore the entire Western society is BARBARIC. 'Fact?' Please.

I think you misunderstand barbaric.

I think, once you already face it, whether it is circumcised or not isn't your primary concern.QFT

It's not like once I'm already there I'm going to say "Uncircumcised....nah, put your pants back on."

Cut and Proud, baby. Easy cleaning...and no odd looks from girls.

Cut and Proud, baby. Easy cleaning...and no odd looks from girls.

Seriously... if your standards of personal hygiene are so appalingly bad that the amount of effort required to clean your penis is too much for you then there are much bigger issues in your life than wether you are circumcised or not.

As to the odd looks from girls - I am guessing you're in America, as in any other western nation circumcism is the exception rather than the norm. Also - I can also tell you from a lot of first hand experience that a lot of American girls don't have issues with men being uncircumcised.

This is not to critisize you for being circumcised - just that the benefits are pretty low, but then the downside is pretty low too - i see it as being one of those neutral things.

yes, male, and thankful to have be.

although what FEmale circumcission too often means isn't circum at all, and that IS nutso, not to mention horrible, tragic and downright evil. now if it were always actualy CIRCUM cission, that would be very very different!

=^^=
.../\...

Cut and Proud, baby. Easy cleaning...and no odd looks from girls.

I've never understood this cleaning argument. I'm not circumcised but if I dont bother to clean down there, I dont get any build up of dirt of any sort. Plus, if the girls have got used to mutilated dicks in parts of america, its no concern of mine.

*checks*
Nope, Mr. Foreskin is still intact.


Now I'm getting really wierd looks from the librarian.

Cut and Proud, baby. Easy cleaning...and no odd looks from girls.

I can't talk from experience, but I'd say I'd get odd looks from girls if I was circumscised.

My partner is natural. and its very handsome. and always clean.

cut ones look kind of sorry for themselves when flacid.

My partner is natural. and its very handsome. and always clean.

cut ones look kind of sorry for themselves when flacid.

A flacid penis is an unhappy penis.

A flacid penis is an unhappy penis.

They don't have feelings Ifreann :rolleyes:

nope.

bit of a pain though cos i have tight foreskin problems... makes sex a little ouchy sometimes (but still mmmmgood)

They don't have feelings Ifreann :rolleyes:

Mine does.

Mine does.

0_0 maybe you should get that looked at?

0_0 maybe you should get that looked at?

Nah, we're both happy this way. :)

They don't have feelings Ifreann :rolleyes:

Speak for yourself. Mine became self aware a year ago and escaped to madagascar, look! (http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/070212_blind_snake.html), although he has lost some weight since then.

Speak for yourself. Mine became self aware a year ago and escaped to madagascar, look! (http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/070212_blind_snake.html), although he has lost some weight since then.

Poor you, how are you coping without him?

Poor you, how are you coping without him?

I fashioned one out of toilet roll and sticky back plastic. Tis a poor replacement, I do miss him so.:(

I fashioned one out of toilet roll and sticky back plastic. Tis a poor replacement, I do miss him so.:(

You should go to Madagascar and get him back.

You should go to Madagascar and get him back.

And give him a good beating for running away like that...

flacid = sleeping

they cant go on forever and ever.

go to madagascar and retrieve you penis.

I've never understood this cleaning argument. I'm not circumcised but if I dont bother to clean down there, I dont get any build up of dirt of any sort. Plus, if the girls have got used to mutilated dicks in parts of america, its no concern of mine.
Leave it long enough and you'll see. The argument is silly though - all it takes is a couple of seconds under the shower every day to keep clean. You'd have to be pretty damn lazy to let it get dirty.

nope.

bit of a pain though cos i have tight foreskin problems... makes sex a little ouchy sometimes (but still mmmmgood)
Just a question - I've noticed that Ashmoria, Free Soviets and you never capitalise certain words that normally are capitalised... how come?

Sorry, circumcision should only be discussed on February 14th in any year. Thanks for playing and come back next year. :rolleyes: :D

Sorry, circumcision should only be discussed on February 14th in any year. Thanks for playing and come back next year. :rolleyes: :D

Agreed!!

Actually had a scary dream about circumcision...from now on, I'm staying out of these threads. :eek:

Nope.

Andaluciae said it best:


SMEGMA

REGULAR BATHING

:p

Just a question - I've noticed that Ashmoria, Free Soviets and you never capitalise certain words that normally are capitalised... how come?

i don't really capitalise most words, bar sometimes names, because i'm lazy

i don't really capitalise most words, bar sometimes names, because i'm lazy
Oh, well that works I suppose. :p I was just wondering if there's some deeper reason behind it.

I'm uncircumcised. I don't really see the point in circumcision except for medical reasons. The hygene thing isn't a problem if you practice basic washing.

I think they just don't want to do it on you.