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Okay. Old link, but relevant.

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=55&viewby=date

Ireland's native population could be in a minority by the middle of this century, the president of Dublin City University (DCU) will claim today. But large-scale immigration is still essential if we are to remain prosperous, Prof Ferdinand von Prondzynski will say.

Unpublished UK-based research, which he does not identify, has indicated that by 2050, Ireland's population will consist of a multicultural and multiethnic mix in which the indigenous Irish will form a minority.

I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

that stinks:(

well the funny thing about Ireland is that no one is actually from there.

I thought living in Ireland made one Irish.
:) :cool:

Well, if the hypothesis about organic matter arriving at the earth via a comet is true, then none of us come from earth either.

How are immigrants "non-Irish"? In an "ethnic" sense, yes. If immigration is necessary, make efforts to integrate them, to make them feel Irish, and move towards redefining "Irishness".

My mother is an immigrant. She may not be French in an "ethnic" sense, but she has French citizenship, is a contributing member of French society, votes, and is therefore French.

If I lived in China all my life I wouldn't be truly Chinese. And that seems logical to me.

If someone from Nigeria was Irish, then they wouldn't call them "Nigerian-Irish".

You might as well claim that Black and Tans were true Irish because they had a "right" to be there from the government.

lol

not if you go back far enough Irelands been invaded by numerous peoples thoughout the last millenium. It like the Original English got kicked off their island by the french.

The president of Dublin City Uni is named "Ferdinand von Prondzynski"? Kind of indicative, huh? Hey, if you want some natives back, I'm sure there are a bunch of Irish in Boston and New York who'll come over for, say, tax-free citizenship. :p

So what does that mean? Less drinking?

Okay. Old link, but relevant.

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=55&viewby=date



I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

So now you're trying to kick me out or what??? :mad:

Edit : Oh, and that Chinese majority he predicts there will need to hurry up to first of all get level with the amount of Polish :p

I'll make a note of it right now - 'move to Ireland'.

Seriously, considering how many Irish moved everywhere and annoyed the native population, I think you have no reason to complain. ;)

How are immigrants "non-Irish"? In an "ethnic" sense, yes. If immigration is necessary, make efforts to integrate them, to make them feel Irish, and move towards redefining "Irishness".

My mother is an immigrant. She may not be French in an "ethnic" sense, but she has French citizenship, is a contributing member of French society, votes, and is therefore French.
That's too much common sense...

lol

not if you go back far enough Irelands been invaded by numerous peoples thoughout the last millenium. It like the Original English got kicked off their island by the french.

Same with Rome, no group can really claim a pure anscestral claim to their land.

Okay. Old link, but relevant.

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=55&viewby=date



I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-white will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

Fixed.

Face it people, in a few hundred years, we will all look like Soledad O'Brian.

I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.
I am Irish and white. I don't think that our skin colour is very important. What is important is our culture, values and liberties. I am confident that our immigrants can be assimilated into the above.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.
We fought "against the usurping of our God-given rights by a foreign power and people." (paraphrase from 1916 Declaration)

As long as the immigrants do not usurp any rights it's fine. If they are absorbed into our cultural background they will not.

Fixed.


Erm, no. Way to jump to a conclusion based on American experiences.

Biggest immigrant group in Ireland today?

Drumroll.....


.....

White, conservative, Catholics:

Poles.

-snip-

So what? We're all European.

Define to me, what being 'Irish' (or any other race for that matter) is. "Ireland for the Irish". Please :rolleyes:

Oh noez! A multicultural society! The horror.

:rolleyes:

You might as well claim that Black and Tans were true Irish because they had a "right" to be there from the government.
The problem with the Black and Tan is not that they came from England to visit Ireland, but that they came in tanks and waged a terrorist campaign against us. Sponsorship of a terrorist group is a classic cowardly superpower tactic.

You might as well claim that Black and Tans were true Irish because they had a "right" to be there from the government.
The problem with the Black and Tan is not that they came from England to visit Ireland, but that they came in tanks and waged a terrorist campaign against us. Sponsorship of a terrorist group is a classic cowardly superpower tactic.

You might as well claim that Black and Tans were true Irish because they had a "right" to be there from the government.
The problem with the Black and Tan is not that they came from England to visit Ireland, but that they came in tanks and waged a terrorist campaign against us. Sponsorship of a terrorist group is a classic cowardly superpower tactic.

I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

I don't believe that ethnic-based nationalism is a good idea for anyone. As you just pointed out it's been a factor in wars, and it is of course a factor in xenophobia, bigotry and racism.

So I don't care if Ireland becomes non-"Irish," nor any other nation.

luckily, irishness isn't genetically determined

you can't kill the Irish and by God we've tried :)

also since when has nationality meant anything especially when were talking about Irish culture?

luckily, irishness isn't genetically determined

technically. the gene pool in ireland is likely to contain characteristics which people call irishness.

irish culture on the other hand has nothing to do with genetics.

Did anyone notice the name of the oh so Irish professor? :p

That sucks. I was going to emigrate there, on grounds of its prosperous, nicer, and technically I'm Irish.

That sucks. I was going to emigrate there, on grounds of its prosperous, nicer, and technically I'm Irish.

But now you won't cuz there might be Muslims or Black people there, and you're a racist bigot.

Oh noez! A multicultural society! The horror.

:rolleyes:

Well quite. Few multi-cultural societies are anything but fractious, discordant and outrightly counter-productive.

In any case, I fear you have a profound ignorance regarding Ireland. It's a fan-fucking-tastic place, culture and people at present. Why spoil that?

technically. the gene pool in ireland is likely to contain characteristics which people call irishness.
I can assure you it doesn't really. We're a mix of Anglo-Normans, Scots, Vikings and others who lived here before (not Celts). Less than 4% of Irish people have the "characteristic" red hair.

That sucks. I was going to emigrate there, on grounds of its prosperous, nicer, and technically I'm Irish.
I'm quite relieved.

But now you won't cuz there might be Muslims or Black people there, and you're a racist bigot.

errrrr..... no.

I've been to Ireland countless times in my childhood. I like it. It has a perfect blend of tradition and innovation. The people are welcoming, warm and affable. Why would I want to see that ruined by mutli-culturalism?

errrrr..... no.

Yeah. Your posts, like in that rap thread, and others, indicate a racist tendency. Like just now, you think Ireland will be "spoiled" and ruined by the presence of non-Irish. You believe too much in ethnic solidarity as the foundation of the state - a very racial-nationalistic belief a la Nazi Germany.

I've been to Ireland countless times in my childhood. I like it. It has a perfect blend of tradition and innovation. The people are welcoming, warm and affable. Why would I want to see that ruined by mutli-culturalism?

You wouldn't want that, because you're a racist. Like I said.

Yeah. Your posts, like in that rap thread, and others, indicate a racist tendency. Like just now, you think Ireland will be "spoiled" and ruined by the presence of non-Irish. You believe too much in ethnic solidarity as the foundation of the state - a very racial-nationalistic belief a la Nazi Germany.



You wouldn't want that, because you're a racist. Like I said.

In concede I'm an anachronistic reactionary. I like rural, middle class, village based England. I happen to dislike most urban culture. From white oi culture to ethnic hiphop scenes, I simply can't reconcile myself to them. Not racist, simply sure of my beliefs, and sufficiently resolute to adhere to them.

As for nationalism, so fucking what? It just so happens to be the most potent political force on the planet, as any remotely informed individual can appreciate.

Well quite. Few multi-cultural societies are anything but fractious, discordant and outrightly counter-productive.

In any case, I fear you have a profound ignorance regarding Ireland. It's a fan-fucking-tastic place, culture and people at present. Why spoil that?You're a crazy fool.

In concede I'm an anachronistic reactionary. I like rural, middle class, village based England. I happen to dislike most urban culture. From white oi culture to ethnic hiphop scenes, I simply can't reconcile myself to them. Not racist, simply sure of my beliefs, and sufficiently resolute to adhere to them.

You're a racist. Admit it. Saying "culture" or "ethnic" instead of race doesn't hide it. Until you can be honest about your beliefs your so-called resolution means nothing.

As for nationalism, so fucking what? It just so happens to be the most potent political force on the planet, as any remotely informed individual can appreciate.

Ethnic nationalism a la nazi germany might be "potent." It is still wrong, founded in ignorance and fear and fostering hatred. You really disgust me.

You're a crazy fool.

I'm right.

And more eloquent than you, which is really more important.;)

You're a racist. Admit it. Saying "culture" or "ethnic" instead of race doesn't hide it. Until you can be honest about your beliefs your so-called resolution means nothing.



Ethnic nationalism a la nazi germany might be "potent." It is still wrong, founded in ignorance and fear and fostering hatred. You really disgust me.

No mention of nationalism a la contemporary USA, or Colonial France or Britain? As much as I resent much of US policy, I do admire the patriotism and nationalism of much of the electorate.

Incidentally, culture is entirely divorced from race. I know, and know of, many "ethnic" people who I like. Equally, there are countless white gangsta kids who I dislike on principle.

I hope we all unite as a species. :)

Uh, no you aren't. You're just spewing bullshit.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.

Cite a multi-cultural state that is unified to the same extent as a colonial power.

I'm right.

And more eloquent than you, which is really more important.;)Uh, no you aren't. You're just spewing bullshit.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.

No mention of nationalism a la contemporary USA, or Colonial France or Britain? As much as I resent much of US policy, I do admire the patriotism and nationalism of much of the electorate.


The nationalism that manifests itself in "No dogs or irish," or anti-immigrant, anti-minority measures, is also despicable.

Incidentally, culture is entirely divorced from race. I know, and know of, many "ethnic" people who I like. Equally, there are countless white gangsta kids who I dislike on principle.

Yeah sure. You're not racist, you have a black friend.

Who do you think you're fooling?

The nationalism that manifests itself in "No dogs or irish," or anti-immigrant, anti-minority measures, is also despicable.



Yeah sure. You're not racist, you have a black friend.

Who do you think you're fooling?

I'm not. My dislikes are motivated by culture, not race. I can ahrdly be held to account for the nature of those who are part of any scene can I?

In regard to the nationalism, I quite agree. Discrimination is rarely justified, however, you remain unable to refute the suggestion that colonial nationalism did not serve the interests of the colonial powers.

Not racist, simply...

...planning to leave the country if a black person gains power

...planning to leave the country if a black person gains power

Yeah seriously. Talk about serious denial.

...planning to leave the country if a black person gains power

How original. Cite one example, from when I was exceedingly pissed off and confrontational.

I've been to Ireland countless times in my childhood. I like it. It has a perfect blend of tradition and innovation. The people are welcoming, warm and affable.
But you only want us to welcome you. It is because we are welcoming that most of us don't rally against immigrants.

To me you are about as welcome as a fundamentalist activist who thinks bin Laden is a good guy.

I'm not. My dislikes are motivated by culture, not race.
Then why all the rants against non-whites?

In concede I'm an anachronistic reactionary. I like rural, middle class, village based England.
That's nice. Nazis liked nice things too. They didn't (officially) like violence and hate - they were just acceptable prices to pay to achieve their backwards-looking blonde 'paradise'.

But you only want us to welcome you. It is because we are welcoming that most of us don't rally against immigrants.

To me you are about as welcome as a fundamentalist activist who thinks bin Laden is a good guy.


Then why all the rants against non-whites?


That's nice. Nazis liked nice things too. They didn't (officially) like violence and hate - they were just acceptable prices to pay to achieve their backwards-looking blonde 'paradise'.


I don't actually mean to come across as racist. Genuinely, I'm not.

I do dislike modern ghetto/chav/macho/hip hop culture, and all the egalitarian, politically correct twaddle that seems to be concomitant, but equally, I'm no racist.

In regard to nationalism, once more, its a political expedient, and hence I like it.

Lastly, all the Irish people I've met like me. I like them. In fact, I commend you for being a generally nicer people than Engalnd.

I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted. This is the kind of idiocy that makes my brain bleed on a daily basis. Let us put aside the mild indirect xenophobia and possible tinges of racism. Let us forget that the 'real' Irish are immigrants themselves. Instead, let us look at plain simple chronological logic. If you do not maintain a reasonable level of immigration, Ireland will suffer economically in the future. This would be a bad thing for the Irish people of the future. If you do maintain a high level of immigration, Ireland will have a stronger economy, making life better for whomsoever lives in Ireland in the future.

This same approach goes for the 'islamification' of europe. "Oh noes! The muslims will be a majority in x years, then they will dominate the mainstream culture with their muslimness", however, because most people will be muslim, living in a muslim society, nobody should be reasonably upset about this.

You are caring in lieu of an unborn generation about problems they will not recognise as problems. What you are saying is as idiotic as the woman in the early 20th century who campaigned for cars to be banned on the premise that "Every year they are getting faster and more dangerous. Soon we will have cars driving at 40 km/h! What then!" (True story).

Quit trying to save the people of the future from the future itself. Change is inevitable. Deal with it.

I don't actually mean to come across as racist. Genuinely, I'm not.
Then why all the rants against non-whites?

I do dislike modern ghetto/chav/macho/hip hop culture, and all the egalitarian, politically correct twaddle that seems to be concomitant, but equally, I'm no racist.
What has this got to do wtih race or immigrants?

In regard to nationalism, once more, its a political expedient, and hence I like it.
Your repeated praise of extreme nationalism suggests your own ignorance of history.

Lastly, all the Irish people I've met like me. I like them.
But you have a problem with us liking other foreigners? (because as a Brit you are one)

Then why all the rants against non-whites?


Hardly my fault they populate the sub-cultures I dislike, is it? In any case, I do not refer to any race specifically, as much as the scene itself.

What has this got to do wtih race or immigrants?


Everything. You misconsture my dislike for modern sub-cultures with a distaste for certain races.

Your repeated praise of extreme nationalism suggests your own ignorance of history.

Not in reality. Morality plays no part in politics, hence any criticism of the extreme right should be centred upon success or failure.


But you have a problem with us liking other foreigners? (because as a Brit you are one)

Firstly, genetically, I'm Irish, and given a choice I'd leave Britain at once. Any affection I may have had for it has long since disappeared. Secondly, you pre-suppose a homogenity of opinion. The OP itself does for that.

The worlds more globalized, the demographics are constantly changing. Can't do anything about it... :fluffle:

The worlds more globalized, the demographics are constantly changing. Can't do anything about it... :fluffle:

I disagree. Watch me.....;)

Not in reality. Morality plays no part in politics, hence any criticism of the extreme right should be centred upon success or failure.

So on what basis are political decisions made, if not moral grounds?

I do not see how this can be a good thing.

I do not see how this can be a bad thing.

So on what basis are political decisions made, if not moral grounds?

One decides upon a goal, and hence finds the most expediant route to said goal. Simple really.

One decides upon a goal, and hence finds the most expediant route to said goal. Simple really.

The decision to attain a particular goal contains a moral imperative.

Did anyone notice the name of the oh so Irish professor? :p

Yep. German, probably with Polish background.
Well, that's Europe for you :D

errrrr..... no.

I've been to Ireland countless times in my childhood. I like it. It has a perfect blend of tradition and innovation. The people are welcoming, warm and affable. Why would I want to see that ruined by mutli-culturalism?

I live in Ireland now, and guess what? I'm German, with Austrian and Swedish ancestors.
European countries have always been multi-cultural, they just need to finally come to terms with that.

I thought living in Ireland made one Irish.
:) :cool:

QFMFT

Okay. Old link, but relevant.

http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=55&viewby=date



I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

O NOESS!!!1111!!!!!

Why does Proffessor Fink not name the research, I wonder....

Okay. Old link, but relevant.
I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people. Besides, when he says "large scale immigration essential to remain prosperous", I don't think he's reassuring the population about Irish-descended Brits or Americans moving in, especially when "native population" is hard to define between European ethnic groups.

Ireland for the Irish was what was fought for in 1916 and the 20s, right? I just hope this professor's claim is misplaced, or to be averted.

Oh, get over it. When you're a poor country, your people emigrate to righer countries. And when you're a richer country, you fear the immigration of people coming from poor countries.

It has happened to England, it has happened to Germany, it has happened to Italy, it's going to happen to Ireland too. Stop being xenophobic, Ireland isn't the only country in the world that's had to fight for independence and to build a national state. Just teach gaelic to the immigrants and their sons, and you'll have them drinking Guinness and bitching about Ulster in no time. Just as here in Italy we're full of immigrated arabs who eat pasta and cheer for the Azzurri. Or Germany full of immigrated Turks who speak German and feel German.

Hardly my fault they populate the sub-cultures I dislike, is it? In any case, I do not refer to any race specifically, as much as the scene itself.


Thats nice.

How do you think an English pro-empire bigot would go down in most of Ireland?

This whole thread is based on a false premise, which is that there are any ethnically or culturally "pure" parts of Europe (or anywhere else for that matter), and that such "purity" is a good thing. Different peoples and cultures have been gleefully mixing all across Europe for millenia. And you know what? The most dynamic cultures are the ones that are "mixed" - that combined two or more separate cultural heritages into one stronger culture.

Take Ireland, as an example. The Celts mixed with Anglo-Normans and Vikings (not to mention a bunch of other peoples) to produce the modern, allegedly "pure" Irish culture.

Or England, as demonstrated by the term "Anglo-Norman" above - the Anglo-Saxons mixed with the Normans to produce the modern, allegedly "pure" English culture.

Or Scotland, where the Irish and the Picts combined. Or France, where the Franks, a Germanic tribe, mixed with the Romanized Gauls. Or Spain, or Italy, or - well, you get the idea.

And do we even need to bring up the point that the most dynamic culture in the world today is that of America, which is a mix of so many different peoples and cultures that I won't even begin to try to name them all?

There is no such thing as ethnic or cultural purity, and even if there was, you'd just wind up with a bunch of drooling, inbred idiots, so it's not something you'd want in the first place. Get over it.

:rolleyes:

Meh, people have been invading Ireland for centuries. Some nice friendly immigration won't be that big a deal.

Ideally we'd become Chinese or polish speaking. It would be an antidote to anglicisation.

I do not see how this can be a good thing. Regardless of the wealth it creates, making Ireland not-Irish will not be good for the people.
Why not?

Specifically, what exactly will be bad about people moving to Ireland and becoming new Irish citizens?

Why not?

Specifically, what exactly will be bad about people moving to Ireland and becoming new Irish citizens?

Because immigration invariably alters and dissolves the native culture, and we might postulate that the OP rather likes Ireland as it is. Hard to blame him really.

Because immigration invariably alters and dissolves the native culture, and we might postulate that the OP rather likes Ireland as it is. Hard to blame him really.

Immigration alters and dissolves a culture, but invasion and colonisation doesn't?

Because immigration invariably alters and dissolves the native culture, and we might postulate that the OP rather likes Ireland as it is. Hard to blame him really.

"Culture" is nothing static, contrary to what you seem to believe. People are changing culture all the time, be it their own or that of others.
I've changed mine by leaving it, and I'm changing the Irish culture by being here. And I don't believe I've changed either for the worse.

Because immigration invariably alters and dissolves the native culture, and we might postulate that the OP rather likes Ireland as it is. Hard to blame him really.
What Cabra said.

Immigration alters and dissolves a culture, but invasion and colonisation doesn't?
Hell, immigration alters and dissolves a culture, but TIME doesn't?

People really seem to have trouble with the idea that human culture is not static. It doesn't matter how hard you try to put your culture in a box and save it forever and ever...it ain't gonna work. Culture is dynamic, and it WILL change, whether or not you allow immigration to occur.

Half-Irish, I went there a few years ago to visit some family over there, wonderful country.

But damn TV licenses, that will forever keep me from moving there!

Hell, immigration alters and dissolves a culture, but TIME doesn't?

People really seem to have trouble with the idea that human culture is not static. It doesn't matter how hard you try to put your culture in a box and save it forever and ever...it ain't gonna work. Culture is dynamic, and it WILL change, whether or not you allow immigration to occur.

And why you would even want the same culture for all time is beyond me.

And why you would even want the same culture for all time is beyond me.

Exactly. To be honest, I find it incredibly fascinating to see the country change so rapidly right now... in the 4 years I've been here, it's grown so much more colourful and developed an amazingly dynamic culture.

Exactly. To be honest, I find it incredibly fascinating to see the country change so rapidly right now... in the 4 years I've been here, it's grown so much more colourful and developed an amazingly dynamic culture.

Indeed. When I was a kid hearing a foriegn accent was a rare occurance, now a day doesn't pass without it.

This whole thread is based on a false premise, which is that there are any ethnically or culturally "pure" parts of Europe (or anywhere else for that matter), and that such "purity" is a good thing. Different peoples and cultures have been gleefully mixing all across Europe for millenia. And you know what? The most dynamic cultures are the ones that are "mixed" - that combined two or more separate cultural heritages into one stronger culture.

Take Ireland, as an example. The Celts mixed with Anglo-Normans and Vikings (not to mention a bunch of other peoples) to produce the modern, allegedly "pure" Irish culture.

Or England, as demonstrated by the term "Anglo-Norman" above - the Anglo-Saxons mixed with the Normans to produce the modern, allegedly "pure" English culture.

Or Scotland, where the Irish and the Picts combined. Or France, where the Franks, a Germanic tribe, mixed with the Romanized Gauls. Or Spain, or Italy, or - well, you get the idea.

And do we even need to bring up the point that the most dynamic culture in the world today is that of America, which is a mix of so many different peoples and cultures that I won't even begin to try to name them all?

There is no such thing as ethnic or cultural purity, and even if there was, you'd just wind up with a bunch of drooling, inbred idiots, so it's not something you'd want in the first place. Get over it.

:rolleyes:

QFT. Now print it on millions of copies and drop them from the sky to the people.

Um, being a part of the majority isn't what makes people "Irish."

(In response to the OP)

been to ireland (cork & Dublin) and all i can say is thank god for immigration. Was not impressed by the scenery, and found the local women (the majority anyway) to be god-damn ugly. Genetic diversity can only help.

been to ireland (cork & Dublin) and all i can say is thank god for immigration. Was not impressed by the scenery, and found the local women (the majority anyway) to be god-damn ugly. Genetic diversity can only help.

For this I have dispatched the IRA to your home to give you a stern talking to.

Cite a multi-cultural state that is unified to the same extent as a colonial power.

You mean, other than Canada?